Slashdot Mirror


What is the Future of Office Spaces? (weforum.org)

An anonymous reader shares a World Economic Forum report: A lot of us spend long stretches in the office, but outdated design could be damaging our wellbeing and mental health. What's more, it's killing our productivity. One study found that office workers spend more time sitting than pensioners, which increases the risk of cardiovascular disease, type II diabetes and even cancer.

That's why forward-looking designers are finding ways to build spaces that heal rather than hurt us. Going beyond the already ubiquitous standing desks and social "breakout sofas," the office of the future is healthy, harmonious and happy. Here's how it's beginning to take shape.

151 comments

  1. 2 chicks at the same time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    clearly

  2. we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    we need to talk about your TPS reports!

    1. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuckin'-A, man. Fuckin'-A.

    2. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      Hey, isn't everything moving into the Cloud?

      Maybe we can move managers to the cloud?

      --

      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    3. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Rather than move then to the cloud....move offices into everyone's' HOME!!

      Yep, get rid of the office completely, let everyone work from home....no driving, wake up and walk across the hall to your computer and work.

      Less distractions from overly chatty co-workers.

      No more #MeToo suits as that no one will be together for passes to be made, and no troublesome office romances.

      Cheaper for the company too, no needing to rent/build large office complexes with all the $$$ maintenance on those ongoing....

      Yep, work from home the BEST office there is!!

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    4. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This may come as a shock to unemployed Louisiana INCELs like you Cayenne but you can in fact sexually harass someone without being in the same room, moron.

    5. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Rather than move then to the cloud....move offices into everyone's' HOME!!

      Be careful what you wish for. If your job can be done from your home, it can also be done from the home of someone in Mumbai.

    6. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by TigerPlish · · Score: 2

      Be careful what you wish for. If your job can be done from your home, it can also be done from the home of someone in Mumbai.

      Without spending more than half of the conversation waiting for the six-second lag between here and there? And when you do hear them you have to go "I'm sorry, can you say again?"

      Without having to go over everything Mumbai did with a fine-tooth comb and having to redo 3/4ths of it?

      Some things are best kept local.

      --
      The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
    7. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Informative

      Working from home is/was harder for me. Too many other distractions, video games, a book, the kid. Not to mention it is difficult to support hardware and build systems remotely. I would end up having to go into work on many occasions because someone in the lab would move a network cable or need to swap a drive, or a fscking power supply would fail even with redundant stuff you can't leave a server up minus 1 power supply because another failure would actually trigger a down machine, or a cluster would fail over and as good as they are someone still has to be there to supervise a FCA switch back. We utilize a lot of satellite/shared office spaces for Customer support engineers these days. You work from the customer site in a cubicle or a neutral site that has a generic office with network access, and a physical address so I can take part deliveries at any time of day or night.

      --
      errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
    8. Re: we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really.. it's kinda difficult to gripe over the internet.

    9. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Be careful what you wish for. If your job can be done from your home, it can also be done from the home of someone in Mumbai.

      Without spending more than half of the conversation waiting for the six-second lag between here and there? And when you do hear them you have to go "I'm sorry, can you say again?"

      Without having to go over everything Mumbai did with a fine-tooth comb and having to redo 3/4ths of it?

      Some things are best kept local.

      Yet, they are not.

    10. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      People in Mumbai aren't as awesome as him.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    11. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah but they'll still have to send the code back here so that it can be built to actually work

    12. Re: we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of the Sux second delay, 5 is looking up on a list which bs excuse , uh, I mean , which reply they will provide.

    13. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we need to talk about your TPS reports!

      PC LOAD LETTER

    14. Re: we need to talk about your TPS reports! by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

      Some of us don't have homes you insensitive clod!

    15. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      No more #MeToo suits as that no one will be together for passes to be made, and no troublesome office romances.

      Anthony Weiner famously sent dick pics to women. We truly live in amazing times when you can sexually harass people in the comfort of your own home. And by comfort I mean without pants.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    16. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Outsourcing is a meme that has bit many companies many times, and seems to do so over and over again. Just find one that isn't stupid enough to have randos in a country half way around the world designing the core business product.
      You don't want to work for the kind of people who would outsource in this manner anyway. Such an idiotic move is usually far from their first blunder.

    17. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rather than move then to the cloud....move offices into everyone's' HOME!!

      Be careful what you wish for. If your job can be done from your home, it can also be done from the home of someone in Mumbai.

      as long as that someone doesn't live in South Bombay
      https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/why-is-mumbai-the-most-expensive-city-in-the-world-for-locals/255741/

    18. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure but unlike in person you can simply block them and report the logged conversation to HR.

    19. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are why your parents divorced.

    20. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      You think it matters if they are in Mumbai or Billings? You think that packet delay is caused by the fiber under the Pacific Ocean?

      You think the Zulu can't learn to write code? And teach Appalachia? Not that they would, they get it...

      --
      deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
    21. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Ditto, ditto, ditto.

      And the corporate VPN, necessary to preserve confidentiality, not being an improvement on network performance.

      --
      deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
    22. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 2

      Working from home requires a certain amount of commitment and a certain degree of self-control. I have done it for 5 years (more if you include the flex working arrangement I had with my previous position) and found that the best way to work is to first set up a dedicated working space... a desk with a GOOD quality chair... not a $50 special from Office Depot (I got my current set from a place that specializes in liquidated office furniture for pennies on the dollar; still not cheap but built to last in a corporate environment). You're going to be sitting a lot, so make it worthwhile.

      Second, you have to minimize distractions. No TV in the room or even close by. Keep the space as professional as possible within the constraints you have in your home (I made it work in a corner of my living room in a condo for a while). It helps to have a dedicated computer for work, and most companies will provide that. I have two computers; my personal PC and my work laptop both connected to the same monitor, mouse and keyboard via a KVM switch. When I'm at work, I flip to my work computer and I'm dedicated to that so I can ignore my personal stuff.

      Finally, set yourself a schedule. My daily routine on days when I WFH is set pretty much in stone. I have a time to start work, a time for breaks and a time for lunch. Stick to the schedule but allow things to shuffle a bit depending on work requirements like conference calls. Time management is key to making WFH work effectively both for yourself and your employer.

      And it's not all work and no play. There is always time to kill in a day when you're working or taking a break... just make sure you are keeping on top of how much time you spend messing around and keep it to a minimum.

    23. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know this was meant to be sarcastic, but it does have some merit if homes increase in size rather than keep shrinking.

      Working from home is the best option there is for MOST work that would be just sitting at a desk anyway. The reason the office still exists has more to do with security, privacy and confidentiality now. To put it another way, if you can outsource it, it's not confidential.

      There are limits to this as well. Email, Chat and social media support/PR can be done from home without any significant security issues. Phone support however is difficult as home offices are not engineered to be quiet, as they are often just converted from a bedroom. So if you have kids, you're going to have issues doing phone support from home.

      If you need to print things (the entire reason offices still exist) then it becomes extremely expensive to go to the office to print those things. What can solve this is is by having "the office" be stripped down to just what needs to exist at the office:

      1) Printer/Plotter/Mail Room for the physical materials needed. You can have one or two staff just dedicated to taking stuff from the printer and mailing/delivering it where they need to go. This also solves one security issue, as the person dealing with the printouts, simply is doing the packaging. So if something can not be emailed to the client, and must be printed for some archaic reason (eg blueprints,) there's less likeliness of the drawings being stolen or discarded by accident. Where as in a large office, you might have 100 people printing to the same machine and stuff may sit in the print queue and output for hours if not days.

      2) Servers, IT, and VPN connectivity. The worker comes to the office initially to setup their machine, and then IT verifies that their home setup is reasonable (eg significant speed and secure) and after that point if the worker needs IT help, the IT staff can use their remote tools without ever having to physically go to their home. The worker can bring their machine back to the office if they need physical hardware support (this is the trend things are moving BTW.)

      Overall, you can reduce an office of 100 down to about 10, and the 10 people would be:
      1) Secretary x 2 (can overlap with any other staff)
      2) Administrator (basically the person who delegates what resources people need, rather than managing them directly)
      3) Mail/Copy/Printer day staff x 2
      4) IT day staff x 2 (Can be outsourced)
      5) Delivery driver/Gopher x 2 (Can be outsourced)
      6) Security guard x 2 (Can be outsourced)

      You still need the space, but you can reduce the space needs to just meeting rooms.

    24. Re:we need to talk about your TPS reports! by Toshito · · Score: 1

      Not everyone has a big enough home to have a comfortable working space.

      --
      Try it! Library of Babel
  3. study...FTFY by zlives · · Score: 4, Funny

    One study found that office workers spend more time WORKING than pensioners, which increases the risk of cardiovascular disease, type II diabetes and even cancer.

    1. Re:study...FTFY by Hylandr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Working in an open office space is hell on Earth. Add HR walking the halls Tok, Tok, Toking their heels on the polished concrete floors and everyone's fucking dog in the office BARKing for no reason at the most random time completely killing your train of thought, just as you got it into the mode again.

      Then here comes HR with stupid drinking games to play a couple hours before everyone is going to be driving home for their weekend.

      Sorry, I rant.

      Lets fix all this new progressive BS that's been shoved down our throat and do some real science based healing spaces.

      --
      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    2. Re:study...FTFY by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      Lets fix all this new progressive BS that's been shoved down our throat and do some real science based healing spaces.

      Oh, but they already do! Modern facility research is all about creating healing spaces and providing justification for the same (if by "healing spaces" you mean "minimal bottom lines" and by "justification" you mean "rationalization").

      --
      That is all.
    3. Re: study...FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Can't we all just agree to be positive. Stop resisting the changes. You'll be happier when you choose to be positive. I promise you.."

      Uh, and you've been working how many years exactly?

    4. Re:study...FTFY by easyTree · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I came to the conclusion years ago that open plan offices aren't about work; it's gotta be some kinda sociological experiment to see how far one can push people into the depth of unreasonable before they figure out it's just an experiment.

    5. Re: study...FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about open office?

  4. More TPS reports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And coming in on Saturday.. and, ummmm.. Sunday.

    1. Re:More TPS reports by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      I also need to spay for rats in the storage room.

    2. Re:More TPS reports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And coming in on Saturday.. and, ummmm.. Sunday.

      That would be greeeaat.....m'kay?

  5. Based on historical trends by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Funny

    Based on the history of "work place revolutions", the new hotness will be standing workstations on airport tarmacs. Because "collaboration!" and "synergy!".

    --
    Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
    1. Re:Based on historical trends by sinij · · Score: 2

      Satrap beating large drum and periodically whipping sla^h^h^hvalued workers greatly increases productivity.

    2. Re:Based on historical trends by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      The latest study says standing desks are no better for you than sitting desks.

      I'm currently sitting on a floor with 50 other people. all with adjustable height desks. Only one guy is standing.

    3. Re:Based on historical trends by Red_Forman · · Score: 1

      I'm currently sitting on a floor with 50 other people. all with adjustable height desks. Only one guy is standing.

      Maybe his desk is broken and stuck in the "standing" position.

    4. Re:Based on historical trends by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      The latest study says standing desks are no better for you than sitting desks.

      I'm currently sitting on a floor with 50 other people. all with adjustable height desks. Only one guy is standing.

      The next step is to embrace the green revolution and have desks with treadmills and stationary bikes to both give employees exercise and to help power workstations. It'll reduce both employee healthcare and power costs, and larger companies will no longer need to provide gyms on site.

      --
      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    5. Re:Based on historical trends by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      I'd be lying if that weren't exciting to me.

      --
      Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
    6. Re:Based on historical trends by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      The next step is to embrace the green revolution and have desks with treadmills

      Desks with treadmills

      and stationary bikes

      Desk with stationary bike

    7. Re:Based on historical trends by Headw1nd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm currently sitting on a floor with 50 other people.

      So I see they already stopped buying chairs.

    8. Re:Based on historical trends by MrMr · · Score: 2

      Or he's trying to be the last man standing.

    9. Re:Based on historical trends by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Has he tried turning it off and on again?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    10. Re:Based on historical trends by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      From the not working perspective, when ever I am feeling a bit stagnant, I simply get up and go for a walk. Often within the home, just quietly pleasantly, around and around and around, sipping on some hot cocoa and listening to music. In fact more physically active than when I was at work all day at a desk.

      Perhaps more breaks are in order, a person should have more opportunity to go for a little stroll every hour or so, a wander to get some air, use the leg muscle to promote circulation and interstitial fluids https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... movement. Perhaps every 50 minutes the ability to go for a ten minute stroll, in terms of health very valuable, which brings to mind the idea, can you sue an employer for actively denying you the opportunity to maintain reasonable health by not allowing you to go for a ten to fifteen minute stroll every hour. So how much of your office desk, can you carry around whilst you stroll.

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    11. Re:Based on historical trends by Junta · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that was very bizarre.
      Problem: "People are being sedentary sitting at their desks too much"
      Answer: "We'll have them be sedentary while standing, which ultimately is just worse on the joints and no better for exercise"

      The inconvenient yet obvious "people need to move around" part that doesn't align with productivity was somehow missed.

      --
      XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
    12. Re:Based on historical trends by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2

      As one of the few smokers left at work I joke that I am healthier than many of my desk bound coworkers. I walk an extra mile and a half per day, perhaps more depending on where I actually parked my car at. Could keep the smokes on me and only walk a hundred yards extra, but I figure as long as I'm smoking I may as well get a little benefit from it, so smokes stay in the car and I get a nice walk first thing on the way in to work, then mid morning, at lunch time, and sometimes mid afternoon.

      A few non-smokers have adopted my parking method - "out there" instead of in the much closer reserved for faculty/staff spots, gets those extra steps in for them...

      --
      Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
    13. Re: Based on historical trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there were much rejoice at the other end of the building, as chair costs went markedly down.

    14. Re: Based on historical trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three times?

    15. Re:Based on historical trends by shess · · Score: 1

      Based on the history of "work place revolutions", the new hotness will be standing workstations on airport tarmacs. Because "collaboration!" and "synergy!".

      I'm not sure why this is marked "Funny". I guess it's not "Insightful", but we've known about a bunch of bad things to do for DECADES, and right now the leading trend in Silicon Valley is to do EXACTLY those bad things - having companies composed of hotelling spaces at the airport isn't even a joke, it's the script for a tech-oriented "dramedy". We're collaborating so hard we can't stand each other.

    16. Re:Based on historical trends by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      I'm never sure if I'm making a joke or giving someone a really bad idea.

      If it happens, I'm so sorry!

      --
      Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
    17. Re:Based on historical trends by mmphs · · Score: 1

      In some countries this is regulated by law. For example where I live, I have right for a 5-minute break after each 60 minutes of work (if I work in front of a screen).

    18. Re:Based on historical trends by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      And the cost benefit of building treadmill generators to power.. oh, wait, you know this already. Sorry.

      --
      deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
    19. Re:Based on historical trends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only time I've found them remotely useful in the standing position is when I need to show someone something on my screens, it's easier for us both to stand than for them to lean over my shoulder or try to find a spare chair and then try to cram it into my cube as well.

    20. Re:Based on historical trends by dsgrntlxmply · · Score: 1

      The Green Revolution will not be televised, because it was already a movie. As usual, screenwriters were well ahead of reality. Soylent Green (1973) had two guys living in a squalid apartment with (as I recall) a light bulb and radio powered by a stationary bike generator.

  6. Hipsters by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ever notice only hipsters use standing desks?

    1. Re:Hipsters by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      Yes. I have noticed that.

      If you're much closer to the end of your career than the beginning, a desk with a nice comfortable chair works great.

      --

      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    2. Re:Hipsters by kobaz · · Score: 1

      And the frequent "get up and move around" activity does wonders for your mental and physical health.. news at 11.

      --

      The goal of computer science is to build something that will last at least until we've finished building it.
    3. Re:Hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Ever notice only hipsters use standing desks?"

      Over the years I find that it's only people with bad legs are using standing desks.

      In fact there was also a study published not too long ago showing that standing desks weren't any better, and in some cases worse, than normal desks. Apparently standing for 8-10 hours a day is just as bad for you, just in different ways.

    4. Re:Hipsters by swillden · · Score: 1

      Ever notice only hipsters use standing desks?

      I never knew I was a hipster!

      I use a standing desk and alternate between sitting on an exercise ball, sitting on a nice office chair and standing. Being able to change position every hour or two keeps me more awake and leaves me feeling better at the end of the day. Taking a couple of breaks per day for some exercise, whether going for a bike ride, working out on the weights / rowing machine or just going for a walk is really important, too.

      I find this is getting more and more important as I get older (I'm 50).

      --
      Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
    5. Re:Hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have one of those conventional 'sitting desks'; however, the environment that I work in allows me to move whenever I feel like it. If I encounter a problem with my code, or something else I'm working on, the *absolute first* thing that I do is walk away. This is doubly so with code. Before I make a hasty change, I'll stand up and walk outside while my mind is racing. By the time I make it back to my desk (all of this usually in less than 5 minutes), I'll have thought through many of the processes and the impact of the change. Standing in one place (or sitting) doesn't improve health. Moving however, can help the mind and body.

    6. Re: Hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I am 60 in a couple of months and I mostly stand. After some surgery and a couple of dvts sitting for too long starts to hurt. These ignorant old farts with their hipster this and millennial that.

    7. Re: Hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a treadmill desk so I can run and work. I run it at 12 mph for 10 minutes at a time. It then converts to a squatting desk, which is convenient because my farts are silent when I'm squatting. With all the BO from running in office casual and the farting, my office gets pretty smelly.

    8. Re:Hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I don't. Your opinions are obsolete.

    9. Re:Hipsters by MrMr · · Score: 4, Funny

      You have a standing desk and an excercise ball, and you didn't know?

    10. Re:Hipsters by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Yes, it does. If you drink water, using the right sized cup can result in having to refill the cup and empty your bladder at good intervals.

      --

      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    11. Re:Hipsters by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Ever notice only hipsters use standing desks?

      I never knew I was a hipster!

      Well now you know. You are welcome.

    12. Re:Hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hate to break it to you but you are either a Hipster or have zero self awareness. I am going with Hipster.

      Not for the desk or the exercise ball. The reason you are a hipster is because you are **claiming** to be surprised that these two things MIGHT get you labeled as a hipster. The hallmark of a hipster is to pretend like "this is totally just what I do naturally, I am not following some hip trend".

    13. Re:Hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My entire accounting department (5 middle-age people) has standing desks. The trend started with the CFO due to a back problem. Everyone reporting to her now has one at their own request but never use them.

      Getting the company to spend $350.00 on you is a status symbol.

    14. Re:Hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My previous employer had the option of standing desks by being adjustable. I did give it a try, but frankly, I am unable to stand in place (juxtaposed to walking or even to the mild moving about during stocking/cleaning for retail cashier work) for 8 hours a day. With a variety of people at that particular workplace, most people eventually chose to sit, but random people of no particular background ultimately preferred standing and others liked to "switch it up."

      Personally, I found it more helpful to merely get away from my desk every so often, whether sitting or standing, opposed to changing the work setup. A quick paced walk around the building seemed good for the body. A snail's pace slow walk around the building, or the block if time permitted, seemed better for the mind. That said, I found raising and lower the desk repeatedly to be mildly entertaining.

    15. Re:Hipsters by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      If it's a disposable cup you can save yourself a trip.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    16. Re:Hipsters by bob4u2c · · Score: 1

      If it's a disposable cup you can save yourself a trip.

      Umm, gross!

    17. Re:Hipsters by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I said it was disposable!

      I should write a book on how to get fired from an office job. Or maybe a few real "war stories" from silicon valley of the weird ass shit that people did at work. It's amazing how some people don't even get fired immediately for some really twisted and unprofessional behavior at work.
      Everything from fist fights between engineers in a director's office, to locking the office door in order to sit at his computer naked at the same time every day, to triggering clauses in employee promissory notes when the stock went underwater. (you're fired and you owe us $60k. Why? because we can turn a $40k profit by firing you)

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    18. Re:Hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you stick around long enough, you may even learn about Hip Precautions.

    19. Re:Hipsters by swillden · · Score: 1

      Ever notice only hipsters use standing desks?

      I never knew I was a hipster!

      Well now you know. You are welcome.

      Is it really possible to be a 50 year-old hipster?

      --
      Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
    20. Re:Hipsters by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "I use a standing desk and alternate between sitting on an "

      Oh, so you sort of use a standing desk. To sit at occasionally.

      It's certainly better than windshield time.

      --
      deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
    21. Re:Hipsters by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

      There have been hipsters of every age for as long as I've been alive. While the term was popularized in the early 2000's, it originated in the 1940's and never actually fell out of use... just not in common parlance. And the personality of people who are identified as hipsters are really no different from the hipsters from any other previous decade. The fashions themselves change, the people really don't.

      And as a more direct answer; go to any hip coffee bar during a weekday to see plenty of retired hipsters. Starbucks usually isn't the best one of those... find a local coffee shop... or hell, any craft brewery on any evening of the week.

    22. Re:Hipsters by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Ever notice only hipsters use standing desks?

      Nope. Mostly I see older doctors and IT people using them, but then again, that's who I work with. They can demand the desk they get and opt for adjustable desks because they get a choice of what they get. Mostly for comfort, but now as one doctor has stated "Sitting is the new smoking" since the study showing that long term sitting was bad for you.

    23. Re:Hipsters by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I work with some older guys who use standing desks because of back or knee problems. A few hours a day standing seems to help them a lot.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    24. Re:Hipsters by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      I was going to say you can't save yourself a trip to refuel the cup. But then I realized you meant a YellowTide instead of OrangeTide.

      --

      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    25. Re:Hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL that's just an old guy.

  7. link doesn't work by jupiterssj4 · · Score: 1

    The link to how it's taking shape links back to homepage

    1. Re:link doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just a big circle.

    2. Re:link doesn't work by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Did you leave off the word 'jerk'?

      Is that the correct term for a link that links right back to itself?

      --

      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    3. Re:link doesn't work by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      It's turtles all the way down!

      --
      "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
    4. Re:link doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hold my nerd credentials, I'm going in!

  8. Oh great, here comes the feel good BS for the 20s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "No corners in this office! Nope!"

    "Chairs are bad for your back!"

    "Sun lamps for everyone!"

  9. How about this! by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A regular office with a window and a door that closes, like I've had for decades since Apple II Pascal was a thing.

    The hipsters can have an office that is some type of olympic event.

    --

    I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    1. Re:How about this! by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      A door i can close would be a big help in cutting down on distractions. I'm lucky if i get over an hour without interruption. It's hard to get a lot done like that.

      I've never had my own office. Last job was an open floor plan. I hate those. Now I've got cubes to deal with. They don't help a lot with noise.

    2. Re:How about this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The office of the future is a potato field - if you're lucky.

    3. Re:How about this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep... if you're doing something that requires concentration nothing beats a door. Working from home doesn't solve the problem either, since you *do* benefit from being able to drop in on a collaborator (if their door is open) for those quick discussions. And NO, Slack/IRC/etc. are NOT a substitute for in-person discussion.

    4. Re:How about this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you kidding? Apple II Pascal was never really "a thing".

    5. Re:How about this! by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      If you were building an accounting system that could run in only 48K, it was very much a thing. For developers. Not so much for end users.

      --

      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    6. Re:How about this! by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

      Yes, its a remarkable technology. You can close the door and avoid distractions. ... or.... I know this is a leap.... open the door and collaborate. You can do *both*.

      I've never understood why companies pay workers a ton of money, then put them in situations where they can't work efficiently. Then Apple goes and builds a zillion-dollar headquarters that STILL doesn't provide efficient working spaces.

      I'd like to believe that high level managers are just clueless an think that if a bunch of smart engineers talk with each other, flying cars, robots and warp drive spaceships will just appear. I doubt it though - I think its just elitism - an office becomes a mark of status to separate high level managers from the workers.

  10. Slashdot not alone in providing slashvertizements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now we know that at least the World Economic Forum also has a slashvertizement function.

  11. What's left? by TigerPlish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's see...

    In The Beginning, there were open offices. These were bad. The workers were all lumped in an open space, the managers ensconced away in offices.

    Then came the Cubicle, which promised some modicum of privacy and noise isolation. Didn't work all that well.

    Now we're back to Open, and once again the workers are finding nothing's worse than Open, so... ....back to Cubicles we go. I, for one, will take the Cube over the open office, fashionista, trendsetters and influencers be damned.

    Whatever "New, Improved" scam is coming, I hope it meets a skeptical mind.

    Tell ya what. Just let me work from home. Please.

    --
    The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
    1. Re:What's left? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Remote work sounds good in theory. But a grueling 10 minute commute to a real office is better.

      --

      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    2. Re:What's left? by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      Remote work sounds good in theory. But a grueling 10 minute commute to a real office is better.

      I've had it both ways. If I'm going to drive, I want at least 15 minutes door to door to get the car up to temps. otherwise it's not worth it.

      I still prefer home. I have an office set up just for work.

      But this really wasn't entirely about remote vs. office.. it is about what kind of office, and so far cubicles seems to be the soul-crushing winner.. because the open floorplan is just fail. I don't care how they spin it, everyone being noisy and boisterous and bugging everyone else is not conducive to being productive, no matter how good one's headphones are.

      --
      The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
    3. Re:What's left? by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      I like keeping the office at work. And not having to have any Windows devices at home. There is something to say about the car just getting warm as I arrive. But all the other advantages are worth it. My office is not distracting. Well lit. Comfortable. Quiet.

      --

      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    4. Re:What's left? by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      The trends now are unassigned seating, and Bleacher Seating

      Never mind that a lot of these trends that exist in "hip tech companies": (open office, unassigned seating, bleachers) are also in areas with really expensive realestate, so everything has to be done to increase density, and it isn't really applicable to flyover states with lots of cheap realestate. There's a cargo cult of "Must follow teh Googles, teh Facebook, and teh Apple"

  12. Work-from-home, telecommute? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    Work-from-home and telecommute. Probably not in real life though, b-school flunkie types are too concerned with productivity metrics, "team play" and the like for this to work.

    Standing desks? Fuck that. Standing stationary is just as unhealthy (in different ways) as sitting down. And it's actually torture some people with joint problems and fibromyalgia. Give people the choice to sit or stand and sure as hell don't judge them for it.

    1. Re:Work-from-home, telecommute? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Give people the choice to sit or stand and sure as hell don't judge them for it.

      Most standing desks I've seen are adjustable...the good ones are motorized.

      :)

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    2. Re: Work-from-home, telecommute? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bad ones are just regular desks, you just don't get a chair anymore.

  13. All I want by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    I used to want an office. Then I regretted that I lost my cubicle. Now I just want enough space at the shared-desk that I don't have to smell the person next to me.

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:All I want by PPH · · Score: 2

      Be careful what you wish for.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    2. Re:All I want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good progress sheepie! Wait a minute, you have a desk? Why you need desk if you will work with tablet, those are better suited for morons who don't stand up for themselves.

  14. hidden benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The company put in an area of standing desks and sofas and squat balls (or whatever you call them) and let our large newly-no-walled floor pick which we preferred. All the intelligent working-for-a-living Individuals chose their current cubes/pods and all the new college kids gravitated to the sofas and standers.

    WE like it that they're all out of our way now, in a corner of the open area, dirtying-up their own fridge/microwave/sink/carpet - seriously, one of the major things they didn't learn at their schools was cleanliness - and We can productively associate and work like we used to.

  15. Big open spaces suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We were located in an old building with small offices with 4 people in each.
    But the new boss wanted big open spaces. He imagined one big room with 200+ people in it. Thankfully that didn’t happen but we still moved into a new space with 26 people in each room, open hallway where everyone need to pass in order to get to toilets, meeting rooms and lunch.

    Productivity went down, a lot. In operations that is clear by the lower amount of incidents solved by 30% more people.
    For us in development, people getting sick went up and in general I have noticed that people now often just aren’t at the office as much. God only knows where they are hiding.
    The noise levels are unbearable.

    1. Re:Big open spaces suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked for a company that insisted on a giant, open office with the entire company in that space. One year we had a critical release to get out right before Thanksgiving. There were five of us that absolutely had to work on it while the rest of the company was having a Thanksgiving potluck in the same giant open space right next to us. To top it off, they all left at 3PM, leaving their dishes and drink cups scattered all around. Those of us that couldn't participate, also wound up cleaning up their mess once we finished the project after midnight.

    2. Re:Big open spaces suck by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Um, no janitorial service?

      I do understand the need to pick up after others before you leave, but that's a generational marker. I suffer from it also...

      --
      deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
  16. No more open office plans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I swear to god if these idiots come up with another version of the open office plan I will kick them right in the groan!

    You know what is great? Putting a whole bunch of introverts together like f***ing sardines! Surely that will not hinder their productivity as their collective thought patterns are obliterated by constant Interruptions/Distractions

  17. The future? by King_TJ · · Score: 2

    I predict open floor-plan office trends will drive a large percentage of workers to work from home whenever possible. That, in turn, will help solve the problem of sitting for too long a time -- as you're more likely to get up and move around when you're at home. You can do things like throw a load of clothes in the wash, etc. while you work.

    That has to be one of the worst ideas ever, except for one segment of employees .... creative types who benefit greatly from constant collaboration and bouncing ideas off of those around them.

    Even for those people, we've started having issues where I work where they can't have any privacy while making or taking phone calls. Therefore, they've stopped using their desk phones and are now pushing us to get rid of them completely. They just want all their calls forwarded to their cellphones, so they can step out to take most of them. Seems a bit crazy, since desk phones are supposed to be there to ensure you get clear calls as often as possible, vs all the call interruptions and dropped calls you can run into on a cell.

    1. Re:The future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      creative types who benefit greatly from constant collaboration and bouncing ideas off of those around them.

      Yeah, right. More like the 'Compiling' excuse isn't working anymore.

  18. I want an office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With walls, furniture and a door. Like a normal person.

    I am not an animal.

  19. Was hoping for more inspired thoughts... by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lot of hipster bashing in the comments (damnit, i have and like my standing desk!), but not much real insight for the article. I was expecting some insight into coworking space or at least some trends that aren’t adecade old.

    To me, the interesting trend is in trying to actually look at job functions to define office needs, rather than just rank. Better workstation design for huge, multiple monitor setups are on my wish list. Nice acoustical solutions, space flexibility, better accommodation of paperless workflows are all important too.

    1. Re: Was hoping for more inspired thoughts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything is open at my work. No one has an office, not even the CEO. 100+ people per floor. The company did spend a bit of money on acoustic dampening so it's a bit noisy but not too bad. There are rooms everywhere if you need some quiet. Seems to work.

    2. Re: Was hoping for more inspired thoughts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever since Peopleware was published I've been waiting for formal evaluation of open plan vs other layouts for knowledge workers. The sort of study that wouldn't be rejected by a Cochrane metaanalysis.

      Still waiting.

      The rest is anecdote and fashion.

    3. Re: Was hoping for more inspired thoughts... by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      I am surprised there hasn't been more analysis as well, but it is important to categorize by specific job function and nature of work and nature of interaction with co-workers, along with individual personalities. There are so many different variables that it is quite a challenge.

    4. Re:Was hoping for more inspired thoughts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with office design is that rarely is enough time and effort given to the problem and the time and effort that is expended is by the wrong people.

      The TLDR:

      -Architects / designers / engineers spend the most time actually making the project happen. They don't know your business and have no idea what you really need. They know two things 1) what they designed last and 2) that they really want to make a name for themselves so they are going to try to pitch the latest cool, trendy, buzzword filled thing they can. It will look really fucking cool in the renderings and will be structurally sound. Will get praise in the newspaper and industry magazine.

      -Finance/Management looking at cost per person, cost per function, etc. all on an absolute basis and never account for the fact that paying someone $80k and then throwing them into rotating workstations resulting in 10% productivity lost = $8k a year that could have been spent on an office with a door and still have net savings while making the employee feel respected. Could have been a WIN WIN WIN. Will get praise for saving money at year end.

      -HR/Diversity/SJW crew - Spend more time on the project than anyone but accomplish next to nothing other than picking colors and such. Making sure the workspace is "inclusive". Provide the feeling that someone is actually watching the project closely when in reality the 3 hour long meetings are about picking gender neutral paint colors for the restrooms. Gets to keep do nothing jobs for another day and maybe even gets a shout out depending on how "inclusive" they made the new space.

      What is missing:
      How about looking at the actual business needs. Talking to the people that will use the space on a day to day basis. Forgetting about cost for long enough to listen. Forgetting about "wow factor" for a while. Killing stupid "amenities" (ping pong tables) for things that EVERYONE will benefit from DAILY. Actually asking people if they will use XYZ amenity and then discounting the response by a factor of 25%. And, again, spend more time and effort providing the EVERYDAY necessities rather than the talking points.

      Maybe open concept IS good for some business types. For others it will be terrible. Letting the architect and the latest trends design your building is a recipe for disaster.

    5. Re:Was hoping for more inspired thoughts... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      How to make work great again.

      Sort the workers who are needed and who have skills. The people hired on merit.
      Find a city and state that is clean, low crime, good quality housing, and that has low energy cost. Must have fast internet and competitive ISP.
      The kind of state that allows an employee cafeteria.
      Move the "brand" to that city and state.
      Invest in an office building with office space for each productive worker.

      Each worker gets their own office. Thats real flexibility. A productive person in their own office.
      With their own desk. Chair. Computer. A window. A bookcase for their own further education. A printer. A big secure filing cabinet.
      A really well made door is the acoustical solution for each productive worker.
      Space flexibility is the big meeting room down the hall. The paperless workflow is the internet. Until the really important and secret new work has to be printed out.
      Want multiple monitor setups? The office space in a nice clean city in the USA has the space in each office for multiple monitor setups.
      A whiteboard for great new ideas.

      With the fast ISP work is global.
      Each worker is productive in their own office. Food is low cost and on site to keep the workers more happy and productive all shift.

      Local housing is in nice low crime areas so workers can relax after work and return to work ready for more work.

      No parked RV, tents, trash, crime, open drug use and waste in the streets around the office.
      No big government demands to remove the cafeteria.
      No rapid tax increases to pay for gov spending.
      Lower power costs allow for more super computer use.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    6. Re:Was hoping for more inspired thoughts... by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Heh... I worked in the building that prompted the anti-cafeterias legislation in San Francisco (working for previous owner/tenant). Some people like to eat in the office and some find it to be extremely depressing, even if you enjoy hanging out with your co-workers. The food was fine, but I only ate there a handful of times in the four years I worked there.

      But, not everyone works well in a private office. Great for introverts, miserable for extroverts. Great for experienced people, hard for people that need to learn from others... especially introverts.

      There are no "perfect" solutions, so most companies go for "flexible" solutions. I will say though that having hundreds of private offices can make for a very depressing space.

    7. Re:Was hoping for more inspired thoughts... by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Agree on "stupid amenities;” wanted to hit my partner for buying a cliche ping pong table and fousball... but I held back.

      The problem is even people that think they have a very good idea of what they need can rarely communicate it, which gets exasperated by corporate standards on how big an office should be. While I currently have a 10x17' office, I would prefer to have something closer to 8x8', which is the size of most of our employee cubicles.

      And... even when you (think) you know what you want, needs change. Someone with a laptop has different needs than a desktop; two or three monitors vs one monitor; tall people, short people; quiet task driven vs phone people. Most of my team starts out with a desktop and a phone that gathers dust, and their needs change dramatically every 6 months. Unfortunately their workstation cannot change easily with them.

  20. Their days are numbered by Jeremi · · Score: 1

    They'll come to a quick and violent end when Milton finally snaps and burns down the building.

    --


    I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
  21. The office of the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is wired to the hilt with covert surveillance hardware.

  22. The ratio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of people to space is too big.

  23. Robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The robots are all coming for our jobs anyway so does it matter? We're just gonna be an electrical energy source for them once their AI get sentient. Our office space will just be rows of pods with a feeding tube - wait a minute I saw this movie already

  24. Collaboration, Communication and Concentration. by bigpat · · Score: 1

    Sometimes I need a space for Collaboration and Communication. And sometimes I need to be on the phone. A small break-out conference room is usually good for collaboration and communication. Having enough spaces like that so you don't have to book a week in advance is the trick and keeping them from becoming de facto offices seems nearly impossible. And then sometimes I need to just sit (or stand) and do some typing without distraction, so either use one of those break-out rooms or work from home.

  25. This is just an ad! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMHO, having a private office is absolutely better than ANY kind of open office plan!!!
    If that is not possible, because of space availability, then a cubicle could be acceptable too!

    IMHO, all these supposedly better "future office" ideas are actually hidden ads, made by people who never actually worked in a similar job to any real IT worker & they are just trying to find customers for their new office/furniture designs!!!

  26. I have a vision! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I envision a dynamic environment where pro-active solution-seekers dynamically interact with ergonomically conformant hot-work spaces in an activity-encouraging smart-space of things! Whatever that means!!!

    (also: what's with the circular reference in the summary? Was I the only one pro-active enough to actually click link two?)

  27. ALLOW NEW OFFICE PLANS ONLY IF... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMHO, IT/office workers everywhere, should be okay w/ their company management changing their office plans, only if the same change(s) also will be applied to all management people, also!!!

    So, let's say your company has private offices/cubicles & they someday want to change it to an open office plan.
    Then, tell them, if employees must switch, then all managers must switch, also!!!

    If the managers say "but we need private offices" then the employees should tell them "so are we"!!!

  28. Virtual Office by QuadEddie · · Score: 1

    Virtual Offices should be an option for trustworthy people. How do you become trustworthy? Maybe it involves time at the company, productivity, references, a monitoring period, work-time cameras, etc.

    1. Re:Virtual Office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      work-time cameras, etc.

      You forgot the most important, rubber gloves and bending over. Priorities!

  29. The future is anything not open floor plan based by CptLoRes · · Score: 1

    I'd be more happy with more or less anything other then so called open plan 'offices'. Literally anything..

  30. Vitamin D boost? Not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I got to the bit in TFA about sitting near a window to boost vitamin D, I kind of stopped reading. Glass absorbs UVB, so no vitamin D for you.

  31. FALGSC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or just end capitalism so we don't have to spend hours looking busy doing crappy jobs to serve capital and do nothing to advance us as individuals and a species

  32. 40 hour weeks? by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    I thought we were all going to be working shorter weeks? That'd probably sort the problem!

  33. Depends on the pensioners by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    My grandparents were walking a few miles even in their 90s. I'm looking forward to winning ultra-marathons in Greece and Spain in my 90s, personally.

    --
    -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
  34. Re:I believe you have my SWASTIKA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you need to have that piece of fair on

  35. Management will decide because they can. by shess · · Score: 2

    Research doesn't contribute to design of most current workspaces, why should research contribute to the design of future workspaces?

    These articles are a thin veneer of journalism shilling for the facilities teams at places like Google. Don't tell me about all the amazing point-in-space experiments they are doing with bamboo healing walls and shit - tell me what the average worker actually experiences in an average hour of their day. A green wall is better than a concrete wall, but if there's a single 20-foot length of green wall in a 100,000 sq ft office building filled with desks placed so closely that you can touch your neighbor's shoulder without leaning over, that isn't going to magically fix the problems you're causing.

    [In the time I worked at Google, watching them ratchet your personal space down by a half foot or so every year while signing "synergy!" was one of the most demoralizing things. Don't get me wrong, I liked almost everyone I worked with, I just didn't want to be continuously sharing their personal space.]

    1. Re:Management will decide because they can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I liked almost everyone I worked with, I just didn't want to be continuously sharing their personal space

      I almost like the people I work with, and I don't want them in my space either.

      At least I have a view of the front parking lot so I can tell if the SWAT team arrives.

  36. Concrete floors? by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    Hell no. Carpet is essential to reduce noise levels. Concrete is also cold and unpleasant to walk on.

  37. Stopped reading after the summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SiTtInG dOwN gIvEs YoU cAnCeR

  38. Build your own. by geekymachoman · · Score: 1

    How about building your own office in your house, or close to your house ?

    The biggest drawback for people working from home is distraction ... so "make" your own office in such a way that will prevent you being distracted.
    Maybe even rent an space couple kilometers away from your house ?

    If not possible, then the next thing would be having multiple offices that "house" people with same jobs, instead of one huge working space... with or without cubicles.

    Programmers usually don't mind sitting opposite another programmer, but opposite sales and marketing and other people that generate noise, walk around, etc..

    So many options. Why open space ? That's the worst...

  39. Stupid by webinstinct · · Score: 1

    Why do I need to pack my laptop and drive an hour in traffic to work on it in a stupid office? Save the Earth, cut down on pollution by stopping this insanity!

  40. What office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Office buildings as they are now are,at least for now, obsolete technology. The way we work is evolving away from the office building and into homes and the field. I find it sad from a purely humanitarian point of view, but I work from my home and am feeling the effects of it.

  41. Nap space?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article neglects to mention what would be the #1: nap space!

    After working many hours straight - up late working the night before, etc. - my mind turns to mush in the afternoon after lunch. A quick nap (almost always less than an hour) is enough to have me feeling fresh and clear again. Sometimes I pull off a nap beneath the desk in my cubicle, but it would be nice to have some kind of "nap pod".