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New LG Gram is the Lightest 17-inch Laptop Ever at Just 3 Pounds (laptopmag.com)

Posted by msmash on from the pushing-the-limits dept.

LG has unveiled two new laptops in its Gram lineup in advance of CES in Las Vegas next month, and the Gram 17 looks like a stunner. LaptopMag: It weighs just 3 pounds, which is crazy light for a notebook with a 17-inch display. That's the same weight as the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar. A typical 17-inch laptop weighs 6 to 6.5 pounds, so getting such a big screen in such a lightweight package is definitely no small feat.

Does that mean the specs skimpy? Nope. LG says the 15 x 10.5 x 0.7-inch Gram 17 packs a 8th-generation Intel Core i7-8565U, up to 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD. (There's also a slot for an additional SSD). The Gram 17's 72W battery is rated for up to 19.5 hours of usage, which we will obviously put to the test once we get our hands on the laptop. Other highlights include a sharp 2560 x 1600 pixel display with a 16:10 aspect ratio, a fingerprint reader and a chassis that's rated MIL-STD-810G for durability. LG's website lists a suggested price of $1,699.99 for the LG Gram 17.

139 comments

  1. caps lock indicator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the laptop have a caps lock key, and if it does, is there a caps lock indicator?

    1. Re:caps lock indicator? by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, they removed the keyboard because it was too heavy.

    2. Re: caps lock indicator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      too funny

    3. Re:caps lock indicator? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      I sometimes wonder when the MacBook Wheel will actually become a reality. Definitely will solve the key issues.

    4. Re: caps lock indicator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent price if you want to be one of those people who collects high end machines. I am more of a single machine guy. I have a friend who bought the last Cray ever made. It was a prototype and the original buyer had spent the last twenty something years writing custom software for it. It is still arguably the worlds fastest computer. It looks like hell. I told him he was gonna spend more on paint and dust repellant than he spent on the thing itself

    5. Re:caps lock indicator? by AndyKron · · Score: 4, Funny

      No. Its camera detects your rage and sets the caps lock accordingly.

    6. Re:caps lock indicator? by turp182 · · Score: 1

      That was 9 years after I designed the iSphere and an article about it...

      https://web.archive.org/web/20...

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    7. Re: caps lock indicator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duh or did you think average people use a regular keyboard as well as a smaller one with precisely the same layout to the millimeter. Hmm

    8. Re: caps lock indicator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine has an aluminum case. I cannot believe how crazy strong it is. My kid stepped on it hula hooping and it is totally fine. Not a scratch

    9. Re:caps lock indicator? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Does the laptop have a caps lock key, and if it does, is there a caps lock indicator?"

      You know that you can disable the Caps-lock key?
      First thing I do on a new machine.

      There's even an app for that. :-)

    10. Re:caps lock indicator? by tepples · · Score: 1

      I sometimes wonder when the MacBook Wheel will actually become a reality.

      Apple released it in April 2010 under the name iPad (1st generation). This device, in essence a 9.7" iPod, turned out not to be an April Fools joke.

    11. Re:caps lock indicator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get it, your link leads to a blank page. Unless that's the joke.

      I'm waiting to see when Apple releases a new "computer" with two buttons, "go" and "stop".

    12. Re:caps lock indicator? by nctritech · · Score: 1

      And then you got the trashcan Mac Pro. I guess it's spherical in two dimensions, at least.

  2. Had not considered 17" until now by found404 · · Score: 2

    16:10 aspect ratio on a 17" laptop that's only 3lbs! $1,700 price tag: can't afford... Waiting game, maybe price drop by next year.

    1. Re:Had not considered 17" until now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had not considered 17" until now.

      That's not what your boyfriend said.

    2. Re:Had not considered 17" until now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a shitty CPU and GPU to top it off! What a deal!

  3. That's pretty impressive. by mark_reh · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's nice to know what I'll be buying in 5 years for $250.

    1. Re:That's pretty impressive. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      You won't be able to buy something this nice for $250 in five years. My current machine is six years old and still better than anything in the $250 range.

      This is definitely on my list of candidates for my next laptop. I looked at the last model in detail and it seemed well made and durable. People have reported good durability. It's serviceable too, not quite on Thinkpad level but you can easily replace the important bits that are likely to die or need an upgrade over the course of a decade or more, e.g. the wireless card and SSD. The keyboard on the last one seemed decent too.

      This looks like a great mobile dev station. 16:10 screen is great for coding where vertical space matters. Could do with more USB ports though.

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    2. Re:That's pretty impressive. by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      I wish that were true. For $250-$300, you can get a 2 in one machine, i3 or i5, 8 gigs of RAM, and a 5400 RPM HDD, or at best a 64 GB MMC SD card, which renders the machine entirely unusable. It would be nice if a low-end M.2 SATA or even NVMe SSD were tossed in, but no PC vendor wants to make a usable machine at that price point.

    3. Re:That's pretty impressive. by mark_reh · · Score: 1

      My current machine is a W530 with quad core i7, 32 GB of RAM, and a 2GB K1000 graphics card for which I am out $350.

    4. Re:That's pretty impressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is also used.

    5. Re:That's pretty impressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which renders the machine entirely unusable

      Then stop using windows...

    6. Re:That's pretty impressive. by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      But you can buy it now for 3 pounds.

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    7. Re:That's pretty impressive. by mark_reh · · Score: 2

      Well, you can buy a POS like you detailed, brand new for $250-300, or buy a 5 YO, used workhorse of a machine for that much. Performance hasn't changed much in the last 5 years. New machines will have USB C ports, and maybe better wifi down the road a few years from now, but all that stuff will still be around in 5 years when the LG machine gets cheap.

    8. Re:That's pretty impressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's nice to know what I'll be buying in 5 years for $250.

      It's nice to know what I'll be buying in 5 years for $1.99.

      There, FTFY.

    9. Re:That's pretty impressive. by Megol · · Score: 1

      Some of us buy used computers, $250 for a used 17" "gram" sounds about right. Only problem is the lack of Thunderbolt as the integrated graphics isn't too impressive.

    10. Re:That's pretty impressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lack of Thunderbolt? Are you stoned? It has a Thunderbolt port.

      https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/new-17-inch-lg-gram-laptop-weighs-2-9-pounds-has-nearly-20-hour-battery-life/

    11. Re: That's pretty impressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a bit. That 3 pounds will be the equivalent of 1 euro soon.

    12. Re:That's pretty impressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has USB-C, which means you can plugin your thunderbolt card with no problem.

  4. Perversion of english by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This brings to mind Apple's marketing copy about how their laptop is "Just [x units] thin."

    1. Re: Perversion of english by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know. Tim is a genius

    2. Re:Perversion of english by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suspect the marketing is being laid on pretty thick here. They're claiming that a 72 Wh battery will run this 17" laptop for up to 19.5 hours, while the 15" MacBook Pro's 83.6 Wh battery is rated for up to 10 hours. I know it's a different CPU, but I have a hard time believing that Intel made a 2x improvement in performance-per-watt without a die shrink, much less enough extra improvement beyond that to make up for the extra power required by a significantly larger screen.

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    3. Re:Perversion of english by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      I suspect the marketing is being laid on pretty thick here. They're claiming that a 72 Wh battery will run this 17" laptop for up to 19.5 hours, while the 15" MacBook Pro's 83.6 Wh battery is rated for up to 10 hours. I know it's a different CPU, but I have a hard time believing that Intel made a 2x improvement in performance-per-watt without a die shrink, much less enough extra improvement beyond that to make up for the extra power required by a significantly larger screen.

      That's because everyone but Apple lies like a dog when it comes to battery life claims.

      Seriously. Don't believe me, read for yourself:

      (Sorry, I can't find the original Report; just this thorough article about it) :

      https://www.express.co.uk/life...

    4. Re:Perversion of english by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I suspect the marketing is being laid on pretty thick here.

      Ya thunk?!

      The thing weighs 1300 grams and they call it the Gram to brag about how light it is.

      If the 17" screen was 1" usable, I'd say that's pretty good, way closer to the truth than some of their other claims.

    5. Re:Perversion of english by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Whenever you see the words "up to", substitute "less than", which means the same, but conveys the truth better.

      I want to know what the worst case numbers are, not the best case. Because worst case is what will be what causes grief, not best case.

    6. Re:Perversion of english by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's because everyone but Apple lies like a dog even worse than Apple does when it comes to battery life claims.

      FTFY. I don't think I've ever gotten anywhere close to ten hours on my retina MBP. On average, I'm lucky to get much more than three hours unless I'm doing something that uses almost zero CPU, like web browsing.

      The problem is, power management is not a replacement for a larger battery, but unfortunately, Apple's hardware engineering managers, with their utterly myopic focus on making laptops thinner, can't seem to let that reality seep through their thick skulls. So instead of giving us the maximum battery size you can legally carry on an airplane (100 Wh), each generation of MBP has had a smaller battery than the one before it. Therefore, in my experience, actual battery life has gotten measurably worse every time I've upgraded my hardware.

      Of all the Macs I've owned, the one with the best battery life was the PowerBook Pismo, way back at the turn of the century. Why? Because the pre-iPhone Apple understood that having removable batteries means you can have more than one, and that what matters is not the best-case battery life, which most users will never actually see, but rather the worst-case battery life, which all users will at least sometimes see. The 4x difference between best-case and worst-case is a real kick in the teeth, and will continue to be until such time as the worst-case battery life improves by at least a factor of two.

      The Pismo, in particular, was notable in that it had two battery bays, each of which could hold a roughly 70 Wh battery. If needed, I could easily carry around a third battery and hot-swap it for the fully-drained battery without even putting the laptop to sleep. The result was a whopping 9+ hours of real-world battery life (best-case 15 hours) even while running apps like Photoshop or audio editing software. Every laptop Apple has made since then has been a complete joke by comparison, unless you're using the laptop for a task that an iPad can handle just as well, such as light-duty web browsing.

      These days, I always carry a power supply around, and assume that if I'm doing anything even remotely interesting for more than an hour or so, I'm going to end up tethered to a wall outlet. Gone are the days of writing software on the beach. Modern Apple hardware just can't do it anymore. Neither can anybody else's, to be fair, but Apple is pretty just about the only company whose hardware ever could, and I miss that.

      Mind you, I don't relish going back to the thickness of the Pismo (mainly thick because of the design of the plastic case and the use of round cells in the battery pack), but I would gladly go back to at least the thickness of the pre-retina MBP if it got me two removable 99.9 Wh LiPo batteries.

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    7. Re:Perversion of english by sootman · · Score: 1

      Screen brightness all the way down, WiFi off, booted into Safe Mode, running Notepad.

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    8. Re: Perversion of english by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just write on mine with a sharpie

    9. Re:Perversion of english by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screen brightness all the way down, WiFi off, booted into Safe Mode, running Notepad.

      Agree with everything but Safe Mode. I've always found in Safe Mode, all the power management and other optimized drivers and such are not loaded and the power usage is considerably higher. You can hear the fans spin up almost immediately in Safe Mode even when you're just at a command prompt.

    10. Re:Perversion of english by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      That's because everyone but Apple lies like a dog even worse than Apple does when it comes to battery life claims.

      FTFY. I don't think I've ever gotten anywhere close to ten hours on my retina MBP. On average, I'm lucky to get much more than three hours unless I'm doing something that uses almost zero CPU, like web browsing.

      The problem is, power management is not a replacement for a larger battery, but unfortunately, Apple's hardware engineering managers, with their utterly myopic focus on making laptops thinner, can't seem to let that reality seep through their thick skulls. So instead of giving us the maximum battery size you can legally carry on an airplane (100 Wh), each generation of MBP has had a smaller battery than the one before it. Therefore, in my experience, actual battery life has gotten measurably worse every time I've upgraded my hardware.

      I agree that Apple should maxout the battery size in MBPs, but their obsessive desire to make it as thin as possible negates any chance of a larger battery. However, companies are starting to offer external batteries with decent wattages. Hyper offers a 100Wh model that claims to double the 15"MBP operating time. It also charges other devices and doubles as a charger when plugged into an outlet. I am considering getting one for when I travel since I can charge a phone, iPad and MBP with it. https://www.indiegogo.com/proj...

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    11. Re:Perversion of english by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Mind you, I don't relish going back to the thickness of the Pismo

      ...and therein lies the rub.

      Yes, batteries have gotten a bit better since the Pismo days (was it even LiOn?). Nope, it was NiCD (!!!) (I think it was actually at least NiMH in 2000) :

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      But I'm not sure even making the MBP as thick as a Mid-2012 Non-Retina version (which I happen to own), would make room for 2 100 WH batteries (and could you even fly with that?!?).

      Sorry, making MBPs out of a solid chunk of Aluminum makes for a very rugged laptop; but unfortunately, has kinda killed the idea of removable "drive bays", regardless of the thickness.

      I guess the best thing to do is invest in one of those externals, like this Poster suggests. Is it a perfect solution?

      Is anything? And just remember how much faster, and how much more I/O expandable, that 2016-2018 MBP is than your beloved Pismo... ;-)

    12. Re:Perversion of english by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      companies are starting to offer external batteries with decent wattages. Hyper offers a 100Wh model that claims to double the 15"MBP operating time. It also charges other devices and doubles as a charger when plugged into an outlet. I am considering getting one for when I travel since I can charge a phone, iPad and MBP with it. https://www.indiegogo.com/proj... [indiegogo.com]

      I normally think those things are kinda lame; but that looks like a perrfect companion for a mobile MBP setup.

      Thanks for the tip!

    13. Re:Perversion of english by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Yes, batteries have gotten a bit better since the Pismo days (was it even LiOn?). Nope, it was NiCD (!!!) (I think it was actually at least NiMH in 2000) :

      Apple switched from NiCd to NiMh in the second generation of PowerBook 5300 batteries (circa 1995), and from NiMh to Lithium Ion (round cell) in the PowerBook 3400 (1997). Note that they were round-cell Lithium ion, not Lithium polymer (flat bags). Those didn't come until much later.

      But I'm not sure even making the MBP as thick as a Mid-2012 Non-Retina version (which I happen to own), would make room for 2 100 WH batteries

      The retina display is considerably thinner than the pre-retina display was, so a retina MBP that's as thick as the pre-retina MBP would have a thicker body than the pre-retina MBP. I'm not sure you could actually squeeze in two 100 Wh batteries, but you could obviously do a lot better than what we have right now.

      Sorry, making MBPs out of a solid chunk of Aluminum makes for a very rugged laptop; but unfortunately, has kinda killed the idea of removable "drive bays", regardless of the thickness.

      Solid block? The bottom is a separate plate that screws on. If done right, removable bottom batteries shouldn't significantly weaken the hardware structurally, I wouldn't think. Side batteries would be harder, but oh, so cool if they could pull it off.

      I guess the best thing to do is invest in one of those externals, like this Poster [slashdot.org] suggests. Is it a perfect solution?

      I have such a device. In practice, I rarely use it, because there's not a huge difference between being tethered to a large external brick and being tethered to a wall outlet, in my experience. It's still pretty much the opposite of portable.

      Is anything? And just remember how much faster, and how much more I/O expandable, that 2016-2018 MBP is than your beloved Pismo... ;-)

      Yeah. Now I just need a separate laptop bag for all the dongles required to actually use that expandability. :-D

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    14. Re:Perversion of english by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      removable ... batteries

      Apple doesn't understand this combination of words...

    15. Re: Perversion of english by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha. 2012 MacBook Pro that had battery cable issue. Bought for $250. Still has original battery, runs for 6 hours straight doing ANYTHING. web browsing 10 plus hours. You just do not understand how to use a battery

    16. Re:Perversion of english by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      The link doesn't work, but this one does: https://www.indiegogo.com/proj...

      Anyway, totally agree with you. USB-C has made it extremely easy to run your laptop longer.

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    17. Re:Perversion of english by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neat trick with the Pismo. Under sleep, it would actually stay alive for a few seconds with the battery removed. Which means even if you had the optical drive in the expansion bay, you can still swap the battery without shutting down. (Wake from sleep is instantaneous - about the length of time it takes to open the screen).

      I still have mine, though I only turn it on occasionally.

    18. Re: Perversion of english by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Still has original battery, runs for 6 hours straight doing ANYTHING.

      You obviously do not run Xcode. Or Finale. Or Lightroom. There's no way any of those apps runs anywhere close to 6 hours unless it is idle, and in the case of Finale, not even then.

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  5. False advertising by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    This laptop should be named the LG 1360.777 Grams. ... Perhaps that is the model number?

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    1. Re:False advertising by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      This laptop should be named the LG 1360.777 Grams. ... Perhaps that is the model number?

      ;-)

    2. Re:False advertising by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      That's what I was thinking.

      If this thing really weighed one gram like the name implies, by my calculations it would float away like a helium balloon.

    3. Re: False advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "LG says the 15 x 10.5 x 0.7-inch Gram 17..."

      So uhhh, where do they put the 17 inch display on a 15 inch laptop?

    4. Re: False advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "LG says the 15 x 10.5 x 0.7-inch Gram 17..."

      So uhhh, where do they put the 17 inch display on a 15 inch laptop?

      On the diagonal...

    5. Re:False advertising by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      If this thing really weighed one gram like the name implies, by my calculations it would float away like a helium balloon.

      The New LG Gram - It's Lighter Than Air!*

      * Tether not included

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    6. Re: False advertising by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Displays are measured corner to corner. Of course, sqrt(15^2 + 10.5^2) is actually 18.3 inches, so some of those numbers must be off.

      If it's a 16:10 display, to compute the dimensions, use w = 1.6h and fill that into the pythagorean theorem (c^2 = a^2 + b^2).

      (17^2) = [(1.6h)^2 + h^2] = [2.56(h^2) + h^2] = 3.56(h^2)

      Thus, h^2 = 17^2/3.56, and h ~= 9", w ~= 14.4". Yeah, those numbers are way, way off. Either that or it isn't a 17" screen.

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    7. Re: False advertising by RoccamOccam · · Score: 2

      Displays are measured corner to corner. Of course, sqrt(15^2 + 10.5^2) is actually 18.3 inches, so some of those numbers must be off.

      Aren't you ignoring the bezel?

    8. Re: False advertising by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Couldn't they just put a notch in instead?

    9. Re: False advertising by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Ah. Those were the machine dimensions. I misread that being as the dimensions of the display. Then yes, those numbers make complete sense.

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  6. Thanks msmash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm off to the store to buy one, or several.

  7. nobody wants this by slashmydots · · Score: 0

    More of giving customers what they don't want. Anything this light is flimsy and impossible to service or cool. No thanks.

    1. Re:nobody wants this by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      That is my expectation as well. The heaviest components in a laptop is normally its support structure, the cooling path and the battery. My Laptop is in the 6lbs range but the case is solid metal and very sturdy and not flimsy at all. The specs that they give, doesn't add too much weight compared to other specs. an SD card for 500gigs will weigh as much as a 100gig sd card, Getting 1 16gig ram weighs as much as an 8 gig ram.
      Much of the weight on a laptop is holding it together,

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    2. Re:nobody wants this by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Anything this light is flimsy and impossible to service or cool.

      Emitting photons doesn't have to weaken the materials, and LEDs are getting more efficient all the time; that means they run cooler.

    3. Re:nobody wants this by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I had a good look at the previous model and it was solid. I guess it depends what materials they use and how they structure the body.

      You could open the base with standard screws and upgrade it too.

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    4. Re:nobody wants this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CPU and graphics cards still get hot, if you actually use them. The display isn't much good if it doesn't display anything.

  8. Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I carried a 17" MacBook around for a while, which was great. Something to be aware of though if you are thinking about getting one, is a lot of laptop compartments in bags are assuming a 15" laptop at largest, so the 17" may not fit...

    Still hoping Apple brings back a 17" model at some point.

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    1. Re:Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Still hoping Apple brings back a 17" model at some point.

      1. I don't think it will ever happen. Tim Cook seems to hate Macs and only uses an iPad.
      2. Even if they did bring back the 17" MacBook Pro, it's going to have that awful, fragile, no-keys-travel keyboard with crap butterfly switches that fail either from dust, heat or manufacturing defects.

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    2. Re:Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I don't think it will ever happen. Tim Cook seems to hate Macs and only uses an iPad.

      Someone that hated Macs wouldn't have produced the iMac Pro, the new Mac mini, and soon the updated Mac Pro...

      They did have a bit of a pause on decent hardware updates, but that drought has ended.

      Even if they did bring back the 17" MacBook Pro, it's going to have that awful, fragile, no-keys-travel keyboard with crap butterfly switches that fail either from dust, heat or manufacturing defects.

      I like the new keyboard personally, except for the possible issues with dust. They have somewhat mitigated that in newer models...

      I think in the end you are right about them not releasing one anytime soon, sadly not enough interest from most consumers. Important life lesson though: never give up hope!

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    3. Re:Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Still hoping Apple brings back a 17" model at some point.

      1. I don't think it will ever happen. Tim Cook seems to hate Macs and only uses an iPad.
      2. Even if they did bring back the 17" MacBook Pro, it's going to have that awful, fragile, no-keys-travel keyboard with crap butterfly switches that fail either from dust, heat or manufacturing defects.

      You do realize, of course, that Apple has been running more Mac ads than iPhone ads ever since the beginning of November. I have seen two ads: The MacBook Air ad, and now followed by the black and white ad showing people using Macs in various settings (including a shot of Paul McCartney behind a mixing desk).

      In fact, November and December marks the most amount of Mac advertising on TV since Jobs' died.

      Sorry to refute your Hater meme there; but dems da fax.

    4. Re: Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you don't deny being a faggot. Got it. Now I know who to stomp when I see them.

    5. Re:Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Someone that hated Macs wouldn't have produced the iMac Pro, the new Mac mini, and soon the updated Mac Pro...
      They did have a bit of a pause on decent hardware updates, but that drought has ended.

      I'll give you the new Mac mini because it is exactly what most people have been asking, down to the selection of ports at the back. The only missing thing is a user-replaceable m.2 SSD and maybe easier-to-access SODIMM slots and given the new higher price it should come with 16GB instead of 8GB.

      I can't give you the iMac Pro because it's idiotic to try and cram a powerful server-class computer into a thin-for-no-reason desktop case. Its RAM slots are not user-accessible and yet it's supposed to be a computer for Pros.

      I can't give you the yet-to-be-announced Mac Pro because nobody has anything on it yet.

      But saying the drought has ended when all of their laptops are shipping with extremely fragile and useless keyboards, their new MacBook Air only has a dual-core CPU in 2018 and a supposedly "HD" facetime camera that's almost as bad as a two-decades-old webcam, all of this despite a nearly 20% price increase?

      Supposedly "pro" laptops without physical function keys and tiny arrow keys in one of the worst possible layout I've seen?

      I'm sorry, but no. The drought is still there for some of the Macs.

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    6. Re:Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Gotta sell those laptops with defective keyboards as soon as possible to rack in as much repair fees as possible once they get out of warranty!

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    7. Re:Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Supposedly "pro" laptops without physical function keys and tiny arrow keys in one of the worst possible layout I've seen?

      The Touch Bar is vastly more useful than physical function keys and the moment an external keyboard comes out with one I would buy it for my desktop. I've asked Apple for one in feedback surveys...

      The arrow keys did not bother me.

      As for the MacBook Air, why does it NEED more than a dual core processor? There is a lot of value in a system that updates all of the other components while keeping the processor modest, because not everyone needs an enormous 85 core processor sucking energy and emitting heat.

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    8. Re:Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      You do realize, of course, that Apple has been running more Mac ads than iPhone ads ever since the beginning of November. I have seen two ads: The MacBook Air ad, and now followed by the black and white ad showing people using Macs in various settings (including a shot of Paul McCartney behind a mixing desk).

      Why would they advertise products that are selling well? There's no need to advertise the iPhone. But the Mac platform is a train wreck, largely from having been ignored so thoroughly for so long, and with most of the "improvements" being colossal mistakes like the touch bar, so much so that sometimes I think the best thing Apple could do would be to open source macOS under a permissive license and cede the computer market to companies that actually still care about building computers.

      IMO, it is pretty obvious when Apple stopped caring about Macs. Things started slipping in about 2008 or 2009, and the whole platform has been going downhill ever since. The last truly good version of OS X was 10.6.8, released in '09. The last XServe was released in 2009. The last non-speed-bump cheese grater Mac Pro was released in 2009.

      To be fair, the annual release cadence (driven largely by trying to keep up with iOS, which ties major OS versions to iPhone hardware releases) is a big part of why macOS sucks so badly now, but Lion wasn't exactly a polished release, either. Basically, iPhone was simultaneously the best and worst thing that has happened to Apple since Steve's second coming. It was great for the stock. It was terrible for the Mac platform.

      What's really funny is that the same thing happened to Apple back before S.J. returned, only it was the Newton that sucked all the resources away from the Mac. One of the smartest things he did was to kill that product line and save the Mac. These days, Apple lacks focus, and I'm not entirely convinced that they are capable of being both a computer company and a toy phone/tablet company. Maybe they should pick one, open source the other or license it to one or more of their competitors, and hope for the best.

      I mean, who wouldn't want macOS to be a competitor to Windows on everything from Dell to HP to Asus?

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    9. Re:Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      Gotta sell those laptops with defective keyboards as soon as possible to rack in as much repair fees as possible once they get out of warranty!

      Riiiiight.

    10. Re:Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      with most of the "improvements" being colossal mistakes like the touch bar

      Which makes it very interesting that that's the only one in your "colossal mistakes" list.

      The TouchBar isn't a colossal mistake. It is actually pretty damned useful, given the right Application. But I think I would have rather seen the TouchPad turned into a mini-Digitizer (with Pencil Support!), too.

      I think that it would be silly to say that Apple didn't run to the mobile device market pretty quickly, and pretty whole-hog; but I think that with the move to the new HQ, they have reapportioned their talent so that they can start to chew gum and walk at the same time again. The new Mac mini was pretty close to perfect (assuming you are ok with adding an eGPU for graphic-intensive stuff), and that you can effortlessly put together a little (literally!) rendering/build-cluster of them for CHEEEEP, and, IMHO, shows real promise for new Mac hardware to come in this coming year.

      As you have noted, they have (a) stupendous OS(es), and I think that there is about to be a real renaissance in the Mac hardware department, too. I have followed Apple since 1976, and I'm here to tell you that I "feel" it.

      One of the breezes that are blowing comes not from Apple, directly, but rather a series of high-performance SAN products from :"LumaForge" that Apple is now selling through their Enterprise site.

      https://www.macrumors.com/2018...

      This is DEFINITELY not an "iGadget" fashion accessory; and may even signal Apple's return to the Enterprise/Server market. Or at least a clear signal that they understand the REAL "Pro" A/V/CGI market (not just the home-studio buffs that THINK they are "Pros", just because they have a Focusrite Audio Interface and a few good microphones).

      I, for one, would love to see a Apple-branded QUAD server-cluster, "Ax" ARM-based, in a 1U enclosure, with the four servers internally linked with an internal 10Gig switch, for $1500. Yes, macOS Server would have to be restored to its former glory (and beyond) to make it not a joke; but who knows? I can dream, can't I???

    11. Re:Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I'm not asking for an 85W 64-cores CPU in the MacBook Air, but even the iPhones and iPads have been at least quad-core for a number of years now. Heck there's even quad-core Atom CPUs so surely there is a quad-core i3 that could fit inside the MacBook Air.

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    12. Re: Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      So you don't deny being a faggot. Got it. Now I know who to stomp when I see them.

      Log in and try posting that, COWARD.

    13. Re:Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      The TouchBar isn't a colossal mistake. It is actually pretty damned useful, given the right Application. But I think I would have rather seen the TouchPad turned into a mini-Digitizer (with Pencil Support!), too.

      The touch bar is a colossal mistake. Any apps in which you regularly have to use modifier keys with anything in the top row results in a crazy rate of false triggering that makes the app borderline unusable, and worse, option + touchbar actually opens the System Preferences app and kicks you entirely out of the app you're trying to use, so you have to immediately respond by hitting Command-Q just to get back to what you thought you were doing. In many cases, I've hit Command-Q dozens of times per minute because the false triggering on the touch bar is so bad.

      And there's no way to actually disable the d**n touch bar in a single app, only globally. Even in normal use, I had so much false triggering that I disabled everything but volume, brightness, and escape on my personal machine, and all but brightness and escape on my work machine. I have a nearly blank strip. And even in that state, it is STILL a usability nightmare for me. Frankly, it makes me want to throw my MacBook Pro out a window on a near daily basis. I would gladly pay Apple an extra $2,000 right now if they would replace this piece of s**t top case with one containing a real keyboard, without otherwise changing the hardware. That's how much I hate the touch bar on a daily basis.

      You don't get that kind of rage from a feature that isn't a colossal mistake. You just don't. If it had been an option, that would be okay. Unfortunately, choice isn't the Apple way. They get it in their heads that something is revolutionary and amazing, and they can't even begin to conceive of the possibility that others may use their computers differently than they do, and that their designs might result in an epic train wreck like the touch bar.

      And lest you think I'm alone in this, I'm not. Nearly every single one of my immediate coworkers who ended up with a touch bar in their hardware refresh has hated it. One didn't mind it, but even he admitted that he got a lot of false triggering. Nobody thinks it works well. Zero. Not one single person out of at least a dozen software engineers.

      So when I say that it was a colossal mistake, I say that based on a mountain of real-world user anecdotes from a lot of users. That's not to say that they couldn't redesign it in a way that it will work well — add extra separation between it and the keyboard, insert a row of function keys in the middle, include sensors in the top row of keys to turn off the touchbar, etc. — but as implemented, it is, IMO, a complete disaster like nothing I've ever seen from Apple. This makes the Pippin look like an amazing gaming experience. This makes the Cube look like a first-class desktop. This makes the hockey puck mouse seem ergonomically correct. Need I continue?

      I think that it would be silly to say that Apple didn't run to the mobile device market pretty quickly, and pretty whole-hog; but I think that with the move to the new HQ, they have reapportioned their talent so that they can start to chew gum and walk at the same time again. The new Mac mini was pretty close to perfect (assuming you are ok with adding an eGPU for graphic-intensive stuff), and that you can effortlessly put together a little (literally!) rendering/build-cluster of them for CHEEEEP, and, IMHO, shows real promise for new Mac hardware to come in this coming year.

      The new Mini is okay. The problem is that for about four years, the Mini was a useless joke, and the replacement still doesn't have as much internal storage as you could build out in the 2012 model at the time, much less as much as you could stick in the 2012 model today. Mine has 2 TB of internal storage, and I expected a new model to at least be an upgrade over that, capacity-wise, but it isn't.

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    14. Re:Seems really nice, just watch out for bags by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      The TouchBar isn't a colossal mistake. It is actually pretty damned useful, given the right Application. But I think I would have rather seen the TouchPad turned into a mini-Digitizer (with Pencil Support!), too.

      The touch bar is a colossal mistake. Any apps in which you regularly have to use modifier keys with anything in the top row results in a crazy rate of false triggering that makes the app borderline unusable, and worse, option + touchbar actually opens the System Preferences app and kicks you entirely out of the app you're trying to use, so you have to immediately respond by hitting Command-Q just to get back to what you thought you were doing. In many cases, I've hit Command-Q dozens of times per minute because the false triggering on the touch bar is so bad.

      And there's no way to actually disable the d**n touch bar in a single app, only globally. Even in normal use, I had so much false triggering that I disabled everything but volume, brightness, and escape on my personal machine, and all but brightness and escape on my work machine. I have a nearly blank strip. And even in that state, it is STILL a usability nightmare for me. Frankly, it makes me want to throw my MacBook Pro out a window on a near daily basis. I would gladly pay Apple an extra $2,000 right now if they would replace this piece of s**t top case with one containing a real keyboard, without otherwise changing the hardware. That's how much I hate the touch bar on a daily basis.

      You don't get that kind of rage from a feature that isn't a colossal mistake. You just don't. If it had been an option, that would be okay. Unfortunately, choice isn't the Apple way. They get it in their heads that something is revolutionary and amazing, and they can't even begin to conceive of the possibility that others may use their computers differently than they do, and that their designs might result in an epic train wreck like the touch bar.

      And lest you think I'm alone in this, I'm not. Nearly every single one of my immediate coworkers who ended up with a touch bar in their hardware refresh has hated it. One didn't mind it, but even he admitted that he got a lot of false triggering. Nobody thinks it works well. Zero. Not one single person out of at least a dozen software engineers.

      So when I say that it was a colossal mistake, I say that based on a mountain of real-world user anecdotes from a lot of users. That's not to say that they couldn't redesign it in a way that it will work well — add extra separation between it and the keyboard, insert a row of function keys in the middle, include sensors in the top row of keys to turn off the touchbar, etc. — but as implemented, it is, IMO, a complete disaster like nothing I've ever seen from Apple. This makes the Pippin look like an amazing gaming experience. This makes the Cube look like a first-class desktop. This makes the hockey puck mouse seem ergonomically correct. Need I continue?

      Ok, I hear ya; and, full disclosure, I have never personally seen or, more importantly, touched a TouchBar MBP IRL. However, I have two close friends that have them, and neither has reported the nightmare you describe. And although one of my friends is pretty even-tempered, the other one is certainly not shy about bitching about things in her computer setup she doesn't like...

      And, if we dispassionately examine your rant, above, it becomes abundantly clear that you (and your alleged coworkers) are actually complaining about the over-sensitivity of the "touch" part of the interface. I am actually going to side with you on this, because I have read similar complaints elsewhere on forums enough time that I have to believe there is some "there" there.

      However, that does not mean that the entire concept is a "colossal failure"; rather, it seems like Apple needs to adjust the firmware to better ignore "false touches". This is an essential part of any t

  9. Makes me wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4 pounds of weight must not have been hard to Remove.
    But the first 3 pounds must have been easy. What have they been putting in laptops to make them so heavy?

    1. Re:Makes me wonder by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      4 pounds of weight must not have been hard to Remove.
      But the first 3 pounds must have been easy. What have they been putting in laptops to make them so heavy?

      Batteries, Heat Sinks and Cooling Systems.

      But that's ok, you don't need any of those, do you?

    2. Re: Makes me wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So things that laptops have always had?

      Thanks captain Apple suck a cock.

    3. Re:Makes me wonder by Lost+Race · · Score: 1

      Batteries, Heat Sinks and Cooling Systems.

      But that's ok, you don't need any of those, do you?

      Also screws, brackets, access panels, sockets, separate PC boards for DRAM and flash, etc.

  10. 15 minutes of battery life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enjoy maximum productivity on the go for the generous 15 minutes of battery life.

    1. Re:15 minutes of battery life by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Given the battery and CPU specs, I would guess more like 6–7 hours of light web browsing, 1 hour to 75 minutes under heavy CPU/GPU load.

      That said, I agree that the battery looks massively under-specified for a 17" laptop, unless I'm missing something (such as deliberately massively throttled CPU performance).

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  11. Re:7 pounds by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Wonder what they took out Ben.

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  12. THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES NAZI FAGGOT KEN DOLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES NAZI FAGGOT KEN DOLL

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  13. Who would buy this? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 0

    Who would buy a 17" laptop while also being obsessed with weight to the point of spending way more money than they need to on an inferior product simply because it is marginally lighter? Seems like a VERY niche audience.

    Also nice use of 15" keyboard on a 17" laptop. No wasted space there.

    1. Re:Who would buy this? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      It's not about key size. It's about having to move the hands closer together and repetitive stress injuries.

    2. Re:Who would buy this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who would buy a 17" laptop while also being obsessed with weight to the point of spending way more money than they need to on an inferior product simply because it is marginally lighter?

      Your mom.

  14. Misnamed. It is not gram by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    From the summary it looks like it should have been named 1350 gram.

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    1. Re:Misnamed. It is not gram by samwichse · · Score: 1

      Their name is off by three orders of magnitude? Lame.

  15. 17" 16x10 by nut · · Score: 1
    I just read, "17 inch 16x10"

    I hung on to my old 2011 17" Macbook Pro till it would no longer reliably boot up, purely for that screen form factor. I would buy this just for that screen, regardless of other specs.

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    1. Re:17" 16x10 by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 0

      Step 1: buy metal briefcase
      Step 2: buy 2018 Mac mini
      Step 3: Buy display that fits inside the cover of the briefcase
      Step 4: buy the most lightweight UPS you can find that will power both your Mac mini and display for as many hours as you need
      Step 5: buy reliable keyboard
      Step 6: put everything in the briefcase

      Voilà, portable Mac with a 17" display and a reliable keyboard.

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  16. $1,699.99 a Gram? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What kind of stuff are they smokin?

  17. So no Discrete GPU? by foxalopex · · Score: 1

    The low weight is pretty impressive but I'm going to guess there's no discrete GPU if they didn't bother listing what it was which makes the specs on this laptop a lot more believable. Seems like an "ultralight" class 13 inch laptop that's been sized up to 17 inches so for the business travelling laptop that wants a huge screen.

    1. Re:So no Discrete GPU? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Seems like an "ultralight" class 13 inch laptop that's been sized up to 17 inches so for the business travelling laptop that wants a huge screen.

      Believe it or not, not all computer users are 20-something with 20/20 vision that don't mind computer screens the size of toys.

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  18. We can do better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can rebuild it, make it lighter.

    I'd advise a helium bladder.

  19. How much is that in the 100+ IQ unit of weight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a.k.a kilograms, which is the only thing sensible people can relate to.

    1. Re:How much is that in the 100+ IQ unit of weight? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      It's funny that the article about a laptop called Gram gives its weight in pounds.

      The weight is 1361 grams, by the way.

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    2. Re:How much is that in the 100+ IQ unit of weight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny that the article about a laptop called Gram gives its weight in pounds.

      The weight is 1361 grams, by the way.

      What's funny is that they can't even call it kilogram without lying.

    3. Re:How much is that in the 100+ IQ unit of weight? by Kapiti+Kid · · Score: 1

      I saw the headline and thought "Gosh, only 3 pounds, that's really cheap!"

  20. Calm down, Trump. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not everyone has a child's hands coming out of his belly, instead of the arms on the sides of his body.

  21. Re: How much is that in the 100+ IQ unit of weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is that somewhere between a pound and just under a pound and a quarter?

  22. do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    laptops gravitated towards the portable but useful size of 13".
    7/9/10/11" is too small to type on or read, 15/17/larger is too big to be portable in a versatile way. (on a plane in a backpack...)

    Unless laptops follow phones race to the biggest, I see laptops remaining around 13".

  23. 17" and it's not 4K? by djbckr · · Score: 0

    It would seem these days that any display that large should be 4K by now. It has better resolution than 1080P, but come on...

    1. Re:17" and it's not 4K? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would seem these days that any display that large should be 4K by now. It has better resolution than 1080P, but come on...

      You can't just put a 4k display on a computer unless you're willing to also increase the cost. You'll also have to choose between power usage and performance.

  24. LG What? by Stonent1 · · Score: 1

    Don't they mean the LG 0.035274 Ounces?

  25. A lot of people would like this by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    When I travelled with a 17" laptop, I loved the larger screen size - it's especially good fo consulting if you are visiting client sites a lot and bringing your own laptop to work on - even with an external monitor available.

    Who doesn't like a larger screen? With the extra weight slimmed off it's even more valuable.

    The only real issue (which I mentioned earlier) is that a lot of laptop compartments in bags and backpacks will not fit a 17" laptop. Maybe with it being slimmer some would work though.

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  26. GPU power suck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 15 MacBook Pro has a discrete graphics card - the LG is using the internal Intel graphics. That is enough to make up that difference right there.

  27. Waiting for 0 effective mass laptops by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    I'd like it to be made out of helium or something really light. Then I can finally have literal cloud computing.

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  28. THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES NAZI FAGGOT KEN DOLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES NAZI FAGGOT KEN DOLL

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  29. They messed up the keyboard by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One look and it's not an option.. the keyboard has a numpad, so the typing keys are shoved over to the left.

    This is massively stupid, seems to happen on all Windows PC laptops and it's a mistake Apple didn't make. I use my laptop for typing documents. A numpad ruins it.

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    1. Re:They messed up the keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good eyes!
      I agree about the primary use case for a laptop like this.
      If I ever have a need for a numeric keypad, then I'll shell $10-30 for a Bluetooth one -- I can even have Amazon deliver it same day in NYC.

    2. Re:They messed up the keyboard by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I got an Elsra USB num pad. It's programmable so you can thrown macros in the keys and you can slip paper under the transparent key caps. So a it's a battery free shortcut button pad.

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    3. Re:They messed up the keyboard by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      It's not just the number pad. A lot of laptop keyboards are simply badly designed, the space is being used for the wrong(TM) things. Thinkpad keyboards used to be great with a clear set of Home/End/PgUp/PgDn and large Esc/Del keys, I'm not sure if they still do. While Apple does put the typing area in the center, they hardly have any usable arrow keys or the aforementioned ones.

      Old PC keyboards had Home/End/PgUp/PgDn on the number pad when NumLock was off. So a number pad wouldn't be all bad if they just used it properly. Now, they put these keys on the arrow keys via Fn, which is just really cumbersome in practice.

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    4. Re:They messed up the keyboard by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      Different use cases for different users... in a lab you're not going to want to carry anything more than the laptop itself from room to room, the peripherals all get left at the desk with the laptop dock, and you're not going to accept anything without a numpad because typing in some data with the top of the keyboard is the road to madness.

    5. Re:They messed up the keyboard by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      The rest of us use the numpad nimrod, don't screw up keyboards for everyone.

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    6. Re:They messed up the keyboard by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Type in data?
      You need better lab equipment.

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    7. Re:They messed up the keyboard by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Hemocytometer counts, colonies on agar counts... but yes, the equipment could always be better.

  30. Grams, people! by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    It's a Gram, don't use pounds! That thing weights 1360.78 grams.

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  31. THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES KEN DOLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NAZI FAGGOT KEN DOLL THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES BITCH

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  32. 16:10, yippy!!! by ModelX · · Score: 1

    I really hope this laptop will sell well because it's the first non-apple laptop offering 16:10 aspect ratio and above-HD resolution in many years. Maybe this will convince HP and others to again make some 16:10 laptops, too.

  33. or 1.4kg by sad_ · · Score: 1

    that's 1.4kg for the rest of us.

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  34. I want to know 2 things... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: #1 = how you got a +5 when you are wrong vs. https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & #2 = why you RAN vs. that?

    * My post completely BURNED YOUR obviously SELF-UPMODDED by SOCKPUPPET +5 UPMODDED post w/ SOLID PROOF & TECH REASONS why ANY linux distro (a modern KUbuntu 18.04 LTS proves you wrong) would be STUPID ENOUGH to do DNS before file (hosts) in nsswitch as you said.

    Especilally when I prove systemd (in most modern Linux) DEFAULTS to a more than potentially kaminsky flaw redirected ISP DNS!

    (Which most will use by default unlike myself shifting to OpenDNS & most modems supplied by ISP's by default don't allow DNS change IN THE MODEM itself (which I just went thru getting 2 in a row that don't allow it - heck, 1 by technicolor from SPECTRUM (timewarner in my area formerly) DIDN'T EVEN ALLOW ME, or the remote TECHS mind you, INTO IT @ ALL (China supplied no less)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer that wannabe "sysadmin" (who I annihilate in that link & others)... apk

    1. Re:I want to know 2 things... apk by arth1 · · Score: 1

      See subject: #1 = how you got a +5

      I can't speak for any of the upmodders, but would like to venture a guess that it's due to an attempt at being helpful and friendly, using reasonable articulation instead of coming across as a lunatic.

      I used to feel sorry for you, apk. I really did. Your universe clearly only partially overlaps the one the rest of us live in, which cannot make life easy. But the stalking behavior, following people to attack them is just not excusable.

  35. When you see arth1 speak @ all, beware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arth1 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" vs. https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & I'd like to know how you got a +5 when you are wrong vs. that proof & why you RAN vs. that?

    * My post completely BURNED YOUR obviously SELF-UPMODDED by SOCKPUPPET +5 UPMODDED post w/ SOLID PROOF & TECH REASONS why ANY linux distro (a modern KUbuntu 18.04 LTS proves you wrong) would be STUPID ENOUGH to do DNS before file (hosts) in nsswitch as you said.

    Especilally when I prove systemd (in most modern Linux) DEFAULTS to a more than potentially kaminsky flaw redirected ISP DNS!

    (Which most will use by default unlike myself shifting to OpenDNS & most modems supplied by ISP's by default don't allow DNS change IN THE MODEM itself (which I just went thru getting 2 in a row that don't allow it - heck, 1 by technicolor from SPECTRUM (timewarner in my area formerly) DIDN'T EVEN ALLOW ME, or the remote TECHS mind you, INTO IT @ ALL (China supplied no less)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer that wannabe "sysadmin"... apk

  36. You're the one who's WRONG saying that? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're the one who's WRONG saying that vs. https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & my getting what is now 3 modems that don't allow DNS change from my ISP proves it even MORE (with their dns' being unpatched vs. kaminsky redirect poisoning + systemd making a BAD ASSUMPTION by default to use ISP DNS - I have to overwrite resolv. conf each boot OS/IP stack side to counter it, most won't OR even change DNS to say, OpenDNS that IS PATCHED vs. it).

    * You're the one busting on others not being "sysadmins" (yet you F up on 0 vs. 0.0.0.0 too which WINDOWS HASN'T ALLOWED IN HOSTS since last 2009 iirc which I even proved to MS (no change of course, larger slow file loads or not in hosts that way)).

    You're no good sysadmin.

    APK

    P.S.=> Just like your "4 billion entries/too big for disk storage" (means botnet herder can't manage it either, lol) that you TRIED me on & failed on a botnet that only needed 4 entries for C&C cutoff in hosts, lol... apk