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In Booming Job Market, Workers Are 'Ghosting' Their Employers (washingtonpost.com)

A notorious millennial dating practice is starting to creep into the workplace: ghosting. Employers are noticing with increasing frequency that workers are leaving their jobs by simply not showing up and cutting off contact with their companies [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; syndicated source]. From a report: "A number of contacts said that they had been 'ghosted,' a situation in which a worker stops coming to work without notice and then is impossible to contact," the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago noted in December's Beige Book, which tracks employment trends. National data on economic "ghosting" is lacking. The term, which usually applies to dating, first surfaced in 2016 on Dictionary.com. But companies across the country say silent exits are on the rise. Analysts blame America's increasingly tight labor market. Job openings have surpassed the number of seekers for eight straight months, and the unemployment rate has clung to a 49-year low of 3.7 percent since September. Janitors, baristas, welders, accountants, engineers -- they're all in demand, said Michael Hicks, a labor economist at Ball State University in Indiana. More people may opt to skip tough conversations and slide right into the next thing.

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  1. Well, what's good for the goose is good.... by froggyjojodaddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... is good for the gander

    If your company is going to lay you off, it's not like they give you a whole lot of notice in most cases. You turn up for work, bright and eyed and bushy tailed, only to find a Manager and HR type waiting to give you some really bad news

    Sure, most places have severance, but it's not like they take your feelings into consideration so if employees are just up and leaving, that's behavior the corporation does all the time

    1. Re:Well, what's good for the goose is good.... by t0qer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have mod points, but I want some of this action today.

      >Sure, most places have severance, but it's not like they take your feelings into consideration so if employees are just up and leaving, that's behavior the corporation does all the time

      Oh I've had worse than that. Once worked for an IT outsourcing firm that was $20 in gas away from my house. Super early in my career, wasn't being paid much (I think $36k@year in 1998 or so)

      They *could* have just let me go over the phone and mailed a check. I KNEW they were letting me go, and I even said several times, "If you're calling me into the office to let me go, just do it over the phone, no reason to call me in"

      "No t0qer it isn't that, just stop by!" the owner said in a cheery voice. Came in, was fired. I raged out on my way out, flipping over chairs and spat on the owners car on my way out.

  2. at will employment goes both ways! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    at will employment goes both ways!

    Fuck you bill I'm not working weekends after being told at 4:55 PM on Friday and go fuck your self and put that in the TPS report.

  3. Burning Bridges by Only+Time+Will+Tell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd be hesitant about using this practice, especially in small markets where everyone knows each other. Our college placement office had a story of a student who accepted an offer from a company but continued to go on interviews afterward. They got another offer, but the partners of the two companies (accounting firms) talked to each other and found out what happened and both rescinded their offers. If you get a reputation of being unreliable and leaving without any contact, it may haunt you in the next downturn. Two weeks isn't much time to stick it out, and if you have an immediate offer, at least tell the previous employer why (and probably expect to not work there again).

  4. Sorry, but no by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If your company is going to lay you off, it's not like they give you a whole lot of notice in most cases.

    Do you WANT more companies to do that?

    If not why escalate like that?

    Telling other people you plan to leave, is just basic human decency.

    There is nothing good about either side giving the other one no warning about actions like this.

    Besides, the equivalent to what YOU are talking about it not a company laying you off unexpectedly. It's more like if you kept coming to work and after two weeks you just got no paycheck, and the company said "we fired you but dd not tell you".

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    1. Re:Sorry, but no by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Telling other people you plan to ${ fire | lay off | downsize } them is just basic human decency.

      Yes, and most companies I have been at do that, or at least give a decent severance to anyone let go.

      So your point was????

      Gee, that makes me wonder what kind of relationship employees have who just stop showing up.

      It doesn't make me wonder at all. Those employees are assholes, plain and simple. It doesn't matter what the company is like, you do what you do because of who YOU ARE, not because of who THEY ARE.

      If the company are an asshole and you think you are just being an asshole back by leaving without saying anything - guess what, you are BOTH assholes.

      Don't be an asshole. it will be remembered, forever, by all non-assholes that work there.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    2. Re:Sorry, but no by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On the other hand, plenty of 38 hr/week "part-time" employees have gotten the old you're not fired, you just didn't get any hours this week and we don't think you'll get any next week either treatment.

  5. That reasoning creates a race to the bottom by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If everyone adopts your reasoning, employees will quit without giving notice. Employers will let employees go without severance or adequate notice.

    For the best outcome, everyone has to be considerate of each other. Employers have to give employees adequate notice, and provide severance to help carry the ex-employee through while they find another job. Employees have to give their employers adequate notice, and wrap up their projects and help train their replacement employee before they leave.

    Also, being a jerk to a company you work at just because another company screwed you over, is no different from a company being a jerk to an employee just because another employee screwed them over. Again, that sort of behavior just creates a race to the bottom, and is in fact the basis of all discrimination. Retribution needs to target the company or individual who wronged you, not someone else who just happens to belong to the same class, type, race, gender, etc.

    1. Re:That reasoning creates a race to the bottom by dirk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I agree in theory with what you are saying, as the article says, this is a new thing for workers to ghost employers. In the past, most people have given notice and it is still not uncommon for companies to lay off/fire people without notice or severance. So the idea that people giving notice will make employers act better has been tried and failed. The fact is, companies can and do fire people without notice or severance, so why should employees not "fire" the companies in the same way?If a company is unhappy with you they just cut you off, if you are unhappy with your employer, you should be able to do the same.

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  6. ANYONE by PortHaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who in the recent decade of depression saw numerous companies a) let workers go with little to no warning and no compensation or b) witnessed the extremely common scenario where an employee informs their employer they are taking a new job, gives their two weeks notice, and are immediately escorted out the building and left with no job for two weeks.

    Companies keep trying to pull shit on employees. I don't think these greedy CEO's realize that there are consequences for their policies. If employers fail to respect 2 weeks notice, than they cannot expect their employees to do so. If corporations find every loophole and means to pay their employees less regardless of the effect on their employees. Than employers can't complain when those same folks keep jumping jobs for more money - if YOU make it ALL about money, than expect it to be all about MONEY.

    1. Re: ANYONE by reanjr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So just say, "I quit". No need to passively aggressively disappear, leading people on a social media chase to see if you're just dealing with a family emergency, or got hit by a car or whatever.

    2. Re:ANYONE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      THIS

      Twice in my life I have given 2 weeks notice at the end of a day.
      Twice in my life I was 'fired' the next morning.
      The assholes actually made me drive all the way into work, get in through the door, and THEN fired me with no pay for the lost time.

      Never again.
      Business (and the laws they buy) now reaps what it sows.

    3. Re:ANYONE by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would you give sound, actionable, FREE advice to your shitty ex-employer.

      Because they actually weren't that shitty. They were trying to do the right thing, but just failing at it.

      There are plenty of people that need to learn to do their jobs better, but they are not malicious or uncaring, just incompetent.

      In Hollywood movies, bad things happen because evil people make them happen. Real life is rarely like that.

    4. Re:ANYONE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have quit a few jobs. Each time I gave them a several page document that explained what I saw as the problems in their company and what I thought they should do to fix things.

      Yeah, screw that. Why the fuck would I want to help someone else get rich without compensation?\

      Try to be part of the solution, instead of just a whiner.

      You're projecting. The people who silently leave are the opposite of whiners. You are the one whining here, junior.

    5. Re:ANYONE by jpaine619 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are naive. No company cares about you, they only care about money. If you provide ANYTHING to a company, you should demand payment for it.

      How shitty of an employee are you? Most people (80%) are employed by small businesses. That's a statistical fact. I.e Most people aren't employed by someone they've never met. Most people work with their boss, or at least see him/her on a daily basis. i.e. they tend to build positive working relationships with their employer.

      If you're going through life thinking that your employer doesn't give a fuck, maybe you're right. Maybe they don't. But have you considered the possibility that you're choosing to work for shit companies or that you're just a shit lousy employee?

      What's the common element at the shit companies you've worked for? Is it you?

      It sounds to me that you are like the idiot on his 6th marriage complaining about how ALL women are assholes... One common element... YOURSELF.

  7. Re:Who would do this? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    <Platitudes>
    Try not to burn your bridges after you cross them. Because the grass only seems greener from the other side.
    </Platitudes>

    While there is an employment shortage, this isn't a long term issue, and the market will move from an employees market back to an employers market. So if that great new job you got turns sour (because they gave you too much more then what you are actually worth, because of employee scarcity) You may be out of a job, and the company that seemed to suck so much, may still have a spot for you, because its conservative investments meant such a turn in the market didn't hurt them as much.

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    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  8. Re:100% by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think people forget this at all. If you are professional, you want to leave with a good impression with the company. For good references, good relations with your fellow employees who may be hiring managers in the future, and if things go south, there may be an other company to get hired again with.

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    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  9. Re:Who would do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given that I've never even seen the same employer under 100 employees advertise the same job twice, it's pretty hard NOT to end up burning bridges, but this ghosting seems to take it to a whole new level.

    I think you are confused. Leaving a job doesn't have to result in burned bridges. It is possible to leave a job without burning bridges.

  10. And miss out on cake? by martinX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why leave like that? You miss out on cake, and sincere heartfelt wishes from your fellow employees, as well as earnest conversations about “we must catch up some time soon”.

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    When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."