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Boeing 737 Passenger Jet Damaged in Possible Midair Drone Hit (bloomberg.com)
Grupo Aeromexico SAB is investigating whether a drone slammed into a Boeing Co. 737 jetliner as the aircraft approached its destination in Tijuana, Mexico, on the U.S. border. From a report: Images on local media showed considerable damage to the nose of the 737-800, which was operating Wednesday as Flight 773 from Guadalajara. In a cabin recording, crew members can be heard saying they heard a "pretty loud bang" and asking the control tower to check if the nose was damaged. The collision happened shortly before landing. "The exact cause is still being investigated," Aeromexico said in a statement. "The aircraft landed normally and the passengers' safety was never compromised."
The potential drone strike stoked fears that the rising use of uncrewed aircraft will endanger planes filled with passengers. While most nations prohibit drones from flying in pathways reserved for airliners, the millions of small consumer devices that have been purchased around the world can't be tracked on radar, making it difficult for authorities to enforce the rules. In addition, many users don't know the rules or don't follow them.
The potential drone strike stoked fears that the rising use of uncrewed aircraft will endanger planes filled with passengers. While most nations prohibit drones from flying in pathways reserved for airliners, the millions of small consumer devices that have been purchased around the world can't be tracked on radar, making it difficult for authorities to enforce the rules. In addition, many users don't know the rules or don't follow them.
Planes must be armored against a 5 kilogram drone impact at landing and takeoff speeds.
Nothing else flies in the air.
One solution might be to put in noise sensors around airports, drone flight noise is fairly distinctive and loud (especially for anything heavy enough to cause any real damage). Once you know a drone is there, you can use a number fo drone counter-measures to remove it.
I also figure at this point any commercial drone has enough parts in it that can be traced back to the owner, that any drone hit will lead to them finding you and presumably a lot of jail time. We should publicize that part more.
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no, no way it could be a bird. it HAS to be a drone. expect regulation soon.
"Excuse me, your plane flew into my drone. I want you to buy me another one, and I want money for emotional damages!"
So many idiots out there, I guarantee that a drone will take out a airliner eventually. Then the whole drone industry will be subject to major lawsuits. This will only get worse as drones become more popular and owned by more idiots.
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Did the aircraft get a nosefull? Did White Christmas came early for that plane? Did the touchdown really go perfectly within the line after the impact, or was the crew just really sure of themselves? Where should I draw the line?
... FAA requires all birds to carry ID beacons. Must register online to thwart jihadists.
Airline pilots need to be held accountable for crashing into drones. The drones are so small and you really have to go out of your way to hit them. Drones and drone pilots do not need any regulation, it is the airline pilots who need more to ensure they do not damage private property.
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The FAA actually has a pretty decent infrastructure and plan for this, it's called ADS-B. By the end of 2019 all manned aircraft that fly in US airspace are to have these transponders.
If drones had these then anyone would be able to get the registration data directly from nearby drones, so you could see who the peeping toms flying around your neighborhood are, in real-time, on a map.
It's just a matter of time before any drone capable of interacting with the national airspace system will be required to have such a transponder. Along with that expect inspection and compliance requirements - just like for manned aircraft. You want to take to the sky outside of class G airspace - then prove your craft is compliant. Manned aircraft are inspected at least once per year, commercial craft more often, based on hourly inspection requirements. Hobbyist drone operators should probably also be trained, tested, and required to show competency at least, oh, once every two years, to prove you even know what class G airspace is, and maybe a certificate of training of some kind.
Take your drone to class G airspace and stay there and below 400 feet - do whatever you want. With a functioning transponder. Enjoy the sky, but please realize you aren't alone up there.
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I don't know why you are so upset. I said it was a good idea to put noise sensors near airports. Not sure why I am modded Funny.
The last drone panic with startling pictures of the damage turned out to be a goose. Of course, "oops, it was a goose" didn't make the big headlines. That was strictly back page news.
Of course, our only source is Bloomberg, so it might have been a secret Chinese spy goose.
can't be tracked on radar
Wanna bet? You just need a better radar...
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Proof that this is a good idea: https://anti-drone.eu/products...
They also make a range of anti-drone sensor systems, including radar.
It's about on par with the damage you see from bird strikes, and they weigh about the same. The difference being that birds are mostly soft pieces of meat which compress to absorb energy and bounce off, while drones are made of hard components which concentrate their energy into a smaller surface area and can thus penetrate further.
Odds are it's a bird strike, not a drone strike. There are something like a hundred billion birds aloft at any give time, while there are probably only a few tens of thousand of drones aloft at any given time. And there have been bird strikes before which left little to no organic matter. Not saying a drone strike can't happen, just that a plane is much more likely to hit a bird.
Just not commercial grade radar. In 2017 the trigger happy Saudis shot down a quadcopter with a Patriot missile. That's hilarious levels of overkill and a horrible return on investment for what was a multi million dollar missile. But the point is, drones aren't stealth. Commercial radar just sucks. Its that way for various reasons and I'm sure to prevent everyone's electronics from being fried the FCC will keep it that way.
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Boeing 737 Passenger Jet Hit By UFO
Damn, now it looks like Trump is having the Border Patrol launch military drones at airplanes crossing the border, no matter which direction!!!
Damn you Trump!
Terrorists no longer have any need to sneak bombs past TSA. Just wait at the edge of the airfield for a jet to take off and have a medium-size drone ready to fly up and hit the engine intake. Equipped with a video camera and maybe a small explosive, it's the equivalent of a very slow missile.
The potential for misuse is huge.
I'm not big on Big Brother regulation, but this tech screams out for some controls.
Most likely suspect here is typical intra-governmental ignorance at play - my instincts say the drone's from DHS or the Mexican equivalent.
The other day when I was onsite, our rich clients son decided to show all of his mates how high his drone flies. I have a private pilot license and I know their house is on a common flight route. We also constantly see stories of people using these in national parks and such here in Australia where its illegal, and people simply don't care. Whilst drones have their uses, unfortunately, they also attract the type of crowd who needs to overcompensate.
People shouldn't even be allowed to buy them without a license. It's pretty clear people aren't following the rules and its really sad people are risking others lives simply to post some photos on Instagram. Not everyone is breaking the rules, but a huge number seem to (both unknowingly, and knowingly)
At the very least, they should be required to have ADS-B so they are visible to aircraft.
Reports on local news this morning say that the plane went off it's planned flight path and strayed north of the border.
The plane was bound for General Abelardo L. Rodríguez International Airport in Tijuana from Miguel Hidalgo and Costilla de Guadalajara International Airport.
The Tijuana airport DIRECTLY abuts the border fence. I have photos I took of landing planes, the tower, etc. from Big Toy Depot on the other side of the fence. (My friend was keeping his bus there.) I mean it is literally RIGHT THERE. There was talk a few years ago about expanding it to be a bi-national airport.
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You tell me whose drone it was. Duh.
I'll believe it when they find pieces of the drone embedded in the nosecone or find LiPo residue. There is a disturbing fervor regarding the "dangers" of drones at the moment that can result in some hilarious/disturbing claims about their capabilities/risks. I have literally had family members believe that the palm sized quad-copter I have is going to chop off their fingers, and police have made some outlandish claims that were later proven to be demonstrably false.
NYPD flew helicopter at drone
Park helicopter tries to knock drone out of air
To hit a typical hobby drone (aka quadcopter, "drone" has many meanings), it would have had to be quite near the airport. A 737 coming in for landing descends at about 700 feet per minute. Drones are typically flown at 10 to 300 feet, with 500 feet possible. That means the 737 would need to be within seconds of landing to be low enough for a drone impact.
It's quite very illegal to fly a drone so near an airport. In the US, you can't even fly ten feet off the ground with five miles of an airport, without permission from the airport. I figure Mexico is probably similar.
There are several species of geese in the air this time of year near the US-Mexico border. It seems to me that's more likely than someone standing at the airport fence flying a drone up so high they can barely see it (and the wind at that altitude would tend to take it away from them).
Hobby drones (quadcopters) are almost all the same set of sizes. The outdoor size weighs about 1.3 Kg. That's the vast majority of "drones" - all the ones costing been $300-$1000.
The big (and VERY expensive) commercial drones that Amazon builds are a tiny, tiny fraction of drones.
Hobby drones (quadcopters) are almost all the same set of sizes. Weight of outdoor drones falls into two classes. Racing drones are limited to 800 grams by rule, with a 150 gram class also being popular. (The 35 gram class could be classified as an indoor drone).
The other group is the utility, camera-carrying drones. The outdoor size of a camera drone weighs about 1.3 Kg. That's the vast majority of "drones" - all the ones costing been $300-$1000.
The big (and VERY expensive) commercial drones that Amazon builds are a tiny, tiny fraction of drones.
go all the way and build it with black box armor
If a birdstrike can take down an Airbus A320 I'd be afraid to think what a medium sized drone can do.
Eventually, a terrorist will put a bomb on a drone and blow up a plane shortly after takeoff.
Then, all you quad-copter flying nerds will cry about how they aren't allowed to have one anymore.
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If the radar dome on the front of the plane is not properly sealed then air pressure differentials of a landing plane can also cause this to happen.
Taking off, the high pressure inside the dome leaks out and equalises with the air at altitude.
But on landing, it is very difficult for the high outside pressure to get in and eventually the pressure differential takes advantage of any weakness in the dome structure and partial collapse happens.
If this was a drone strike then part of the drone will be left behind. The rest of it should also be on the ground somewhere and easily found.
There's also a question of is the damage accurate for the difference in speed between the plane and drone (i.e.there should be more damage.)
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