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In Some Bay Area Counties, College Grads Have Higher Unemployment (mercurynews.com)
Higher education is supposed to be the ticket to employment. But in some Bay Area counties, workers with a high school diploma have lower unemployment rates than those with bachelor's degrees or higher.
From a report: Experts suggested the Bay Area's backwards numbers, which run counter to the national trend, could be the result of too-few lower-wage workers, many of whom have been driven out by skyrocketing housing prices and the rising cost of living. "We have employers call us all the time (saying), 'I'm looking for low-wage, entry-level workers,'" said Kris Stadelman, director of NOVA Workforce Development in Sunnyvale. But there are few workers willing to take on those positions who don't already have jobs, she said.
In Santa Clara County, the heart of Silicon Valley, the unemployment rate for workers with a high school degree is 3.3 percent, compared to a 3.6 percent rate for workers with a bachelor's degree or higher, according to the U.S. Census Bureau's 2017 American Community Survey, which measures unemployment by educational attainment for workers between 25 and 64 years old. The same situation exists in two other Bay Area counties -- Marin and Sonoma -- where workers with at least a bachelor's degree don't have the lowest unemployment rate.
The trend is starkest in Sonoma County, where workers without a high school degree have a 0.2 percent unemployment rate compared to a 4.4 percent rate for workers with a bachelor's degree or higher. Workers with a high school diploma in that county have an unemployment rate of 2.8 percent. Statewide, workers with a high school diploma have an unemployment rate of 6.2 percent, nearly double the 3.5 percent rate of those with a bachelor's or higher.
In Santa Clara County, the heart of Silicon Valley, the unemployment rate for workers with a high school degree is 3.3 percent, compared to a 3.6 percent rate for workers with a bachelor's degree or higher, according to the U.S. Census Bureau's 2017 American Community Survey, which measures unemployment by educational attainment for workers between 25 and 64 years old. The same situation exists in two other Bay Area counties -- Marin and Sonoma -- where workers with at least a bachelor's degree don't have the lowest unemployment rate.
The trend is starkest in Sonoma County, where workers without a high school degree have a 0.2 percent unemployment rate compared to a 4.4 percent rate for workers with a bachelor's degree or higher. Workers with a high school diploma in that county have an unemployment rate of 2.8 percent. Statewide, workers with a high school diploma have an unemployment rate of 6.2 percent, nearly double the 3.5 percent rate of those with a bachelor's or higher.
Most college degrees have been worthless for 20 years, this is not news. Entering a trade right after high school and making money during your most productive years is MUCH better than spending that time going into six-figure debt for a worthless piece of paper. Higher education turned into a racket during the 1990's, probably before.
Some of my friends that went to college are unemployed while I didn't go and I work in government IT.
I take public transit. A local bus take me down the street to pick up the express bus, the express bus drops me off in Palo Alto, and a local bus take me down the street to my job. An hour each way. Driving through Palo Alto during rush hour is insane. Since I work in government I.T., I start work at 7:00AM.
Low wage jobs are dead end jobs without future. No pay raises, no bonuses, most if the pay health care don't pay enough to cover the high deductibles and high copays of the coverage provided.
Low wage jobs are a dead end and everyone knows it. Who wants to be stuck in a dead end job never earning more money?
It is why the trades are suffering so. Everyone needs HVAC or plumber. However those jobs are basically mean food stamps for life unless you are the owner.
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Kinda hard when you are putting most of your money to your day to day life.
Takes some money to move around.
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I think it's true just about everywhere. The old saying "More learnin', less earnin'," is truer now than it ever was.
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Pay more. This is a breakdown where employers aren’t willing to accept the supply demand curve they’re living in. If they could just bring themselves to pay a living wage, people with enough self respect and power to refuse working for less than a living wage would be happy to work for them.
Would be interested to know if those counties are still "backwards" when U-6 unemployment is used instead of U-3. Maybe.
Nope. If it wasn't for the $20 I take out each check, I wouldn't get a return.
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More specifically, John Kelly, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security had that decision to make and refused to increase it under quite a bit of pressure from Congresscritters such as Senator Heidi Heitkamp (Democrat, North Dakota). As Heitkamp kept up the pressure, Kelly eventually capitulated ad raised the cap. Not doubled, but increased it.
Moving is expensive when you're an adult with a 20 years worth of "things." If you just graduating high school and there are not jobs in your community town - moving is dirt cheap load your crap into the car and go some places where you can get hired.
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The high-school grads that couldn't get a job without a college degree probably ended up going to college (which you can do relatively cheaply in CA thanks to socially liberal policies) and working work-study jobs (no longer unemployed).
It's not that "college education causes unemployment", it's that the high-school grads that aren't able to get a long-term job with only an HS education typically continue their education, thus removing themselves from the "HS grads only" group.
That's why you don't accumulate "things" and/or end up holding a giant Craigslist sale a week before a move. Other than a few sentimental items and my personal data on a few hard disks, I could sell everything tomorrow, move across the country or abroad, and not feel any loss.
The housing prices are so high that you can't live there with a low-wage job.
There are ways to live cheaply in Silicon Valley. I live in San Jose, and the house next to mine has 3 bedrooms with 22 Filipinos living in it. They have bunks stacked three high, and an RV parked in the driveway.
If you are working 80 hours a week, you aren't home much anyway.
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Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
but most of them don't pay anything close to a living wage in the Valley, or enough to bother commuting 100+ miles twice a day. Nothing wrong with having a job, but spending all day dealing with yuppie engineers and project managers and then not having enough to eat and sleeping in a car... why bother?
I wouldn't want to contribute to a statistic like that.
I'm not really surprised by this.. We have a glut of college educated people out there. Hiring those people for fields other than what they earned their degree in is.. risky at best.. If the job they are seeking, at the moment, is not what they have a degree in you can be fairly sure they are going to bounce when a more appropriate job comes along.
That means you're potentially wasting the training you may have to provide. Sure, you might get lucky and they stick around long enough that the training was still a good investment but your gain would be their loss, and that's not an ideal situation either.
The term for this phenomenon is "over qualified". Hiring a guy with a master's in math theory to do plumbing isn't gonna work out in the long term. That guy wants to do mathy stuff and he'll punch out the second he can. I don't fault him for that, of course, but if you're the potential employer that's a problem. Better to just spend the time training the guy with no degree who actually wants to be a plumber. Sure he might go work elsewhere for better wages, but that's at least something you can compensate for (pay more). No reasonable amount of $$ is going to make a math guy happy being a plumber.
Sonoma County is rural. Of course there are more jobs for people without degrees. You don't need that masters in CS degree to pick fucking grapes.
I'm not sure this phenomenon has anything to do with the value of a college education, or the number of H1B visas. It might just be a highly localized issue. Let's keep reading...
See what I mean?
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One of those sentimental things in my case is my grandmother's piano that I inherited at age 26. And yes, both I and one of my kids play it.
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In the bay area the population is keen on intelligence.
That's the claim but judging by the business ideas and quality software that comes out of there I'm dubious.
for Nursing. All told it's going to cost me about $140k for 4 years (tuition, books, room, board, the car I had to buy her because it's physically impossible to take a bus from her morning classes to her clinicals in time, etc). Starting salary will be between $50-$70k/yr depending on the job she takes and where she takes it.
A trade pays $9/hr to start, $15/hr after a few years and then tops out at $25/hr. I did a stint as an electrician's apprentice so I'm pretty familiar (cut those numbers by about 30% for inflation and you know where I was at). You're gonna top out around $50k/yr, which is where my kid _starts_. Over 40-60 years of work that will add up fast. Not to mention she will have much, much better benefits.
Heck, if you're a teacher in it for the money you can start around $40k/yr as long as you're willing to move and/or commute to a wealthy district (the way districts are funded means if you want to teach in a poor neighborhood because you grew up there plan on getting shafted).
I see a lot of folks saying a degree ain't worth it, but it always seems to be the kind of folks who don't want to pay for kids to go to school. It's expensive as hell ($140k in my case and I'm cutting corners) so I get where they're coming from, but this is why our country gets flooded with H1-Bs. It lets the companies go to Congress and say "Well, we wanted to hire American, but we just can't find anyone with the _skills_ we need".
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If you only have a high school education, you're almost bound to leave an area that's so expensive to live in, because you have ZERO chance of a high paying job. But if you have a degree, you've got some chance of being able to grab one, so you will not give up so quickly. Therefore unemployment among the educated will be higher.
Entry-level workers CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE! Of course there aren't enough of them, the only ones available are the ones still living with their parents!
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There's a difference between sentimentality and practicality. Sure, I could sell/donate/trash my entire house worth of "stuff", move across the country, and re-buy everything that I need when I get there. But it's generally not practical, especially if there are more people involved, like a spouse and children.
Even getting rid of the non-necessities, which I'll admit I have a bunch of, still leaves a shit ton of "stuff". As I get older I have found that what I consider a non-necessity has changed as well. Is a nice big quality bed a necessity? Probably not for a single 20 year old, but it sure as hell is for a married (almost) 40 year old...
Then, talking about hobbies. As an adult, I need to do things besides work to keep my sanity. Whether it's gaming, woodworking, electronics, auto repair. All of those things require "stuff" to do. Yes, none of it is particularly sentimental, but I would take an absolute bath if I were to sell/donate all of it and replace it at my new destination. Not to mention all of the effort it would take to do so.
I stand pretty firmly in the camp of the GP. Moving as a 20 year old is WAY easier than it is as an "older" adult. I've moved a few times, it sucks more and more every time I do it.
It's not so bad since we moved to flat-screens, streaming-video, and ebooks. Hoarding books and plastic discs can make moving harder than it needs to be.
Books, CDs, DVDs, and large TVs were my big hassle when moving in the past.
Moving is expensive even if you don't have 20 years' worth of stuff. For a lot of places, you'll need a security deposit, first month's rent, possibly last month's rent, and deposits for utilities and such in addition to the actual expenses related to the move itself (truck, packing materials, etc.). You might get your security deposit back if you took care of your current place, but I've fought with more than one landlord about deductions even though the place was exactly as I received it. You need to have all of that money up front, and preferably a job lined up wherever it is you want to go. You also need to have the time to do it, which is time that you're not working/getting paid. Then on top of that, if the new job pays in arrears, you might need a couple of weeks' worth of money to live off of until the first paycheck comes in. For a lot of us, this isn't too much of a problem, but there are a lot of people that just don't have that kind of cash on-hand.
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So people aren't allowed to have things now. Remind me again what is the point of working?
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We have around three bookshelves of books we would not be willing to give away. Electronic books aren't a substitute for the real thing, and we have every set because we make sure we bought it when the price was right. So yes, we have things like real books because that is the only economical way to do it.
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We found out that the place we moved from held onto the money from the sale for three months but the place we moved to needed the money right away. We had to pay for interest on that money for that period of time. We also found out that there were extra taxes on our new house.
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Largely by our former President, who told you, 'A college degree is the new high school diploma.' . That was a scam (college is big business and indoctrination ground, you see). A college degree has never, ever been a 'guarantee' of anything whatsoever. Your success in life does and always has depended on YOU. Additionally, unless you are referring to the legitmately poor, nobody gives a crap what is happening to people in the Bay.
You're allowed to have "things", just don't bitch when they tie you down. Do you own them or do they own you?
...what do these unemployable graduates have degrees in?
Something useful that is a marketable skill that would lead to a decent job or a graduate degree in interpretive dance theory?
Ship it, with the money from other items sold deemed less important than grandma's piano.
whats not economical about having 1000 books on one small device you can take anywhere.
Nice, so live adjacent to slum housing.
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A lot of guys I knew in the trade were laid off 2-3 months out of the year doing odd jobs to get by. The company I worked for kept us year round and found busy work, but they could only do that because they had a nice business contract. Most tradesmen have lean months and a tough time throughout the year as a result. The huge cutback on infrastructure spending and, as a result, construction hasn't helped matters either.
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Historically 3.3 or 3.6% unemployment is as close to full employment as you can get. Those last 3.3 or 3.6% that are still unemployed are mostly just unemployable. In the middle of 2018 there were more jobs than people looking for jobs in the US (the first time in history). I tried to hire an electrician and a plumber this year, and I could tell it was hard to get hold of anyone. They'd just ghost your, or you had to know someone personally to get them to come. If you're in the bay area with lots of people crowded in, there'd be a huge demand for things like plumbers, electricians, or even just general laborers slugging concrete around. Not so much for paper pushers. As ever though, if you can solve someone else's problems, you'll always be employable.
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Takes some money to move around.
Not if you're willing to make tough choices.
Sell all your shit other than what you can toss in a big-ass backpack and hit the road. Hitchhike. Bus ticket. Walk.
Get where you're going. Hostel and shelter as necessary until you get a job and a place to live and go from there.
I'm 41 and I've never heard that phrase in my life. Hell, if you google the phrase you mostly find articles telling you how valuable a college degree is (with a few that mention it's less valuable if you grew up poor, but it's still more valuable than hitting the workforce after high school).
Maybe if you grew up in the 70s with a big, Unionized manufacturing plant down the street, but that was almost 50 years ago. Those days are gone. The only thing left to kids without degrees is Walmart, $18/hr jobs in HVAC and if you're lucky Daddy's money when he dies.
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You need them both. I think that some people get into computers, but their only interest is money. They have no natural talent, because their only interest in computers happens on Friday, on the way to the bank.
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Who wants low wages. Pay people and they will come. Just like in public education.
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This statistic is seriously flawed. It only counts those who can afford to stay despite being unemployed, which is unlikely if you worked at very low-wage job and had little or no savings.
Like I said, they aren't a substitute for being able to turn pages.
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If Bay Area counties are paying college grads less or jobs are harder to find then...maybe consider leaving the Bay Area? ...not sure it takes a college degree to figure that out?
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Turns out that if you want to get your venti half-caff low-fat caramel vanilla latte every morning, you're going to have to put up with people who live on coffee shop wages living in the same area code. Who knew?
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World doesn't owe you a Living"
Perhaps that is true; if so, what -if anything- do you owe the world and ...why?
Absolutely nothing. You are free to find a place to be alone, ask for and offer nothing to anyone. How does that affect the fact that the world owes you nothing?
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In WORTHLESS subjects....ancient languages, underwater basketweaving bla bla bla. Get a 2 year trade school degree. You'll be LESS in debt, and probably make more money than these "entry level" jobs in the first place. But...NO, can't do that. Kids are told from their youth, you have to have a four year degree. So, everyone goes for a four year degree, colleges & universities gouge them and they end up 50-100k or more IN DEBT and can't pay it back.
The housing prices are so high that you can't live there with a low-wage job. People just move to somewhere else.
Yes. And even if you could theoretically afford it, why bother? What's the point to working if you just give everything away in rent, taxes, debt/mortgage payments. That's basically just indentured servitude by other means.
So, if I understand correctly. You don't like it because you cant feel the pages turning? Why not hack an e-reader or w/e and some haptic feedback sensors, and ... well this is /. I hope you see where I'm going with this.. I still don't understand where economics come into play. Sounds like a personal preference issue. In which case as the new norm around here, don't be a snowflake.
Anyways, if there are a lot of people like you you may be able to make some money if you hack together a prototype ebook reader with some haptic sense for feel. You could be bought out by Amazon for a few billion for that I would expect.
No, I know a lot of book readers.. and I don't read books. I noticed a lot of them weren't using e-readers despite the fact that they had them. Including my own family, who continued to buy real books. The explanation I got is that an e-reader makes it too difficult to leaf through the pages to find a previous spot... say you know Tom talked to Alice somewhere around chapter 5 but you need to read the conversation over again.... Too hard with an e-reader to find that, so most readers I know go with the real book.
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Sounds like excuses. I have never used an e-reader, and I only read books while incarcerated(fortunately its been a while since I read a book) But I cant see there not being a search function, or bookmarking, or I mean, tons of other things that would make "flipping around" easier. And if there isn't those options... Once again perfect opportunity.
Most ereaders don't have a good search function. Search on the 'main character name' and you're bound to find a lot of hits, and how do you set a bookmark if you don't know what you'll want to go back to?
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sounds like when you make this e-reader you need to implement a good search function. maybe something like parse the book when its first put on the device and index everything. it don't matter to me, i'm just trying to give you ideas to be more conserving of the trees so we don't have to cut down so many. no sense having a forest on a shelf when you can have it all on a lil bit of silicon.