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White House Advisor Kudlow Says Apple Technology May Have Been 'Picked Off' by China (cnbc.com)
Fred Imbert, writing for CNBC: Larry Kudlow, director of the National Economic Council, said Friday that Apple's technology may have been stolen by the Chinese. "I don't want to surmise too much here, but Apple technology may have been picked off by China and now China is becoming very competitive with Apple. You've got to have rule of law," Kudlow said in an interview with Bloomberg. "There are some indications from China that they're looking at that, but we don't know that yet. There's no enforcement; there's nothing concrete." Kudlow's comments came shortly after China's Commerce Ministry said Chinese and U.S. officials will meet next week to discuss trade. Both countries have been engaged in a trade spat for months that has sent ripples through global markets. John Gruber at DaringFireball comments: I think what he's saying here is that the Chinese stole Apple technology, copied it, and are now flooding the Chinese market with phones based on that stolen tech. I'm 99.8 percent certain that hasn't happened -- if there were Chinese phones built with stolen Apple technology we'd know it because we'd see it.
Apple technology!!!
Ahahaha that's so funny! Now the Chinese can round their corners add notches to screens and remove headphone jacks and extra mouse buttons!
and the people in that country will learn how to build it. Big surprise, right?
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do the China phones have rounded corners? Yeah? Well there you go.
https://www.cultofmac.com/495158/impressive-fake-iphone-clone/
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Could he maybe offer some specifics? Exactly what is is that China is being accused of stealing? A claim this lacking in detail is suspiciously non-falsifiable.
I'd be much more worried about a White House advisor spouting nonsense if we had a White House that actually listened to advice.
With this administration, if the Big T himself didn't say it, its just meaningless noise. And sometimes even if he DID say it.
oh.. yeah, then they don't need to go the more obscure way.
Seriously... just because they never exported their ripoff phones doesn't mean they didn't do it. There was a long history of exact copying until only the past few years. Chinese brands only now make their own shit. Ask a blind moron for a rebuttal, good job anti-trumpers. Kudlow is an coke head idiot, but he isn't wrong by much.
China builds Apple's phones. There was no "theft" necessary. Apple taught them how to build the phones.
I assume what's in question here is "Is China building iPhones and selling them in China without giving Apple a cut?"
That's an entirely different question, but quite plausible.
As for DaringFireball's later comment: How would you know? If they technically are iPhones flooding the Chinese market they wouldn't look like "fake knockoffs" because they technically aren't. But if Apple isn't selling the phones or getting any cut then there's still shady activity going on.
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The innovativeness of Apple's "technology" notwithstanding (I can't see rounded corners and annoying notches being a particularly special USP), if the Chinese stole it, Apple had it coming: they wanted to build cheap, they played with cheap Chinese suppliers, and they've been had. If you stick your head in the mouth of a lion, don't be surprised if you get a headache...
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Did they make another BSD fork or are they switching to an x86-based architecture?
What the heck is a 'sig'?
Just cut out the middle-man and steal from the people Apple stole from.
... than Larry Kudlow.
Apple's problem is that they think everyone on the planet has $1000+ to spend on a phone every couple of years.
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Just wait until it breaks what he has done to Anthony Bourdain and August Ames
now the Chinese will have phones without headphone jacks!!!
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Apple's phones use screens by Samsung or LG, RAM by SK Hynix, flash storage by Toshiba, cellular modem by Qualcomm, battery charger by TI, WiFi/Bluetooth by Murata, cameras by Sony, etc. The only parts Apple makes are the A10 processor and the software. Everything else is stuff made by other companies which anyone can buy to use in their own products. In that sense, aside from the processor and software, cloning an iPhone is relatively simple and does not require any theft of technology.
Also, the median income in China is 18,371 Yuan, or roughly $2,674 per year. You're kidding yourself if you believe the Chinese would be buying $1000 iPhones if it weren't for the availability of cheap knockoffs.
If China figures out how to make people pay premium prices for its crappy products we are doomed!
It is time we replace Sam Walton as the ultimate traitor of the USA, Benedict Arnold is nothing compared to this rat. Exported the manufacturing technology, taught them how to make products that could be sold in USA. Single handedly changed the playing field and made every retailer to go to China. Decimated the manufacturing base of the USA.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
What trade secrets does apple have? Aren't most of Apple's tech patented? Meaning there is a complete description of them at the patent office for everyone to examine.
Apple largely takes off the shelf components, and designs phones/computers using them. The only "technology" they develop is software, which is pretty hard to steal and not make it obvious.
Apple doesn't make much other than the software. The GPU and CPU were mostly made by Imagination Tech and ARM, to name a couple of things. And most of the parts are already manufactured in China by Chinese companies. Does this clueless person even know that Android phones are just as advanced, and are almost exclusively built in China as well?
Statements like these are what you get when stupid people talk about things they have no clue about.
who did apple steal it from?
Another idiotic comment from an corporate, know-nothing shill. Some excellent quotes from Kudlow just to show how out of touch he has been with economic reality:
“Despite all the doom and gloom from the economic pessimistas, the resilient U.S. economy continues moving ahead,” Kudlow wrote on Dec. 7, 2007, in National Review.
“There’s no recession coming. The pessimistas were wrong. It’s not going to happen,” wrote Kudlow. “ ... The Bush boom is alive and well. It’s finishing up its sixth consecutive year with more to come. Yes, it’s still the greatest story never told.”
Even as trouble became clear, Kudlow, a CNBC pundit who is not trained in economics, wrote a Feb. 5, 2008, column in National Review saying he was “still betting on and buying Goldilocks [a just-right scenario] for the long run.” He wrote, “Maybe we are going to have a mild correction. Maybe not,” adding: “I’m going to bet that the economy will be rebounding sometime this summer, if not sooner. We are in a slow patch. That’s all. It’s nothing to get up in arms about.”
When the economy didn’t rebound and housing continued its collapse, Kudlow pronounced, in a CNBC column on July 24, 2008, that he saw in the data “an awful lot of very good new news, which appear to be pointing to a bottom in the housing problem; in fact, maybe the tiniest beginnings of a recovery.” Stocks lost nearly half their value in the coming months.
All take from, and more here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/larry-kudlow-may-have-been-more-wrong-about-the-economy-than-anyone-alive/2018/03/14/a98f2292-27ce-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html?utm_term=.e99498c1990d
We've been outsourcing US work to China.
This means the greedy US corporations built factories in China, exploited the cheap labor and showed China how to
make product X, Y and Z. Now the greedy US corporations are surprised that China knows our technology.
This concept is best explained by Jib Jab's Big Boxmart video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKv6RcXa2UI
In essence, US corporate greed created their own competitor.
I am not an apologist for China but neither am I for Apple. Apple simply hit peak iPhone and had no ideas to really innovate further. Let's put the blame where it really lies, with Apple. The last 3 years the changes were basically a better screen and a better camera and hardly worth spending that kind of money for so little in return. In fact, we've really hit peak smartphone altogether. Whatever changes we will see forthcoming are hardly worth the additional price. In fact, I stopped chasing the smartphone craze three years ago. Now I only get free phones offered by prepaid carriers. I usually float between 3 different ones depending on which company has the best deal. I would rather spend the money on a real digital camera.
While the USA is so preoccupied with guarding what they've already got with patents and copyright, and diverting funds away from fundamental research, which is the starting point for tech innovation, China is learning everything they can from existing tech and investing in research so that they can leapfrog the USA. Patents and copyright don't mean shit in this game. If the USA doesn't change strategies and focus on competing in innovation (not Apple's idea of "innovation" either), they'll lose, big time. Remember how Japan and Korea decimated US car industry?
i hear someone picked there nose
I don't think this is about the iPhone. From the https://www.washingtonpost.com...
From all the comments here, everyone has been assuming this is about the iPhone or other mobile products. But Apple has it's fingers into other areas too.
So, is it really far fetched that the statement is false? Especially seance their already has been arrests.
Anonymous comments are as pathetic as the anonymous "sources" that contaminate gutless journalism from the New York Time
He was an engineer for self driving cars, that was the link reference. What I meant to say was, is it really farfetched what was reported is true?
Anonymous comments are as pathetic as the anonymous "sources" that contaminate gutless journalism from the New York Time
I thought people wanted small govt? So why does the govt care? Oh, plutocracy is why; I get it.
if you produce everything in China... ofcource they will have the tech to make it and even improve or make similar products..
... all over again!
Are you retarded or just illiterate? Wow you are truly stupid lol.
Apple invented nothing other than the look and feel and the OS. Everything hardware wise is consumer off the shelf parts. Yes even their CPU. It is off the shelf ARM design.
As far as OS i know of no Chinese phones running iOS. They're all android, maybe a UI skin to make it sorta look like iOS.
No, it's the rule of greed that says send your work to countries with cheap labour and maximise profits.
Japan did the same thing years ago, they learned fast how to do it better than the fucking Yanks.
Now China is doing it on a vastly different scale.
They are going to fuck us over so bad we'll have a new appreciation of what our arses are for.
Now just bend over and take it like a man.
Go well
if you produce everything in China... of cource they will have the tech to make it and even improve or make similar products.
And they can throw a literal army of engineers at it: Reverse-engineering anything you didn't tell them about your stuff, then fixing bugs, adding bells and whistles, and eventually pushing out the core functionality to advance the bleeding edge.
Individually they may not average as good as US engineers (though many of them are quite competent). But suppose they're only a third as effective. If they can throw ten to a hundred times as many at a product (and organize them effectively) they can still beat you at pushing your own stolen tech out beyond the cutting edge - and beyond your own next-few-gens progucts.
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We keep putting the WinPhone tech on amazon.cn and others, but nobody ever downloads it.
Remember when Kudlow attacked Canadian PM Trudeau, for holding a news conference after a meeting with President Dump?
Hey Kudlow, it's the Prime Minister's job to talk to Canadians. It may be your job to bootlick your President, but you can F- right off when it comes to the Canadian PM talking to Canadians.
what about Bill's Arkansas drug running landing strip(s)?
Hey Apple, good luck using "LAW" to recover your IP thefts!
From Larry Kudlow we can fairly assume the statement is false. He's on par with economics in the same way a brick is on par with the Sargasso Sea (to rework a Douglas Adams' metaphor).
And not expect them to actually look at what we have them make for us.
Profit!
Set up secure factory networks in say the Philippines, South Korea, Taiwan, Ireland.
Make a deal with the governments for union free, low tax, low cost workers.
Such pro West nations would have kept all US secrets and produced great export products for generations.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
when Israel will just sell/give them any tech you develop.
You never know, he can't be wrong 100% percent of the time, can he? Sooner or later he's going to screw up.
tech WAS stolen, never is it ever 'may have been'.
the prc (aka 'mainland china'), its government, and its companies, DO NOT honor or respect the intellectual property of others, nor patents, nor copyrights..nor have they ever.
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Sure, but at least Apple saved money in the long term with cheap labor....
Hahahahha
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Nope, you either don't read or can't. That says they sued to find out what info was being shared, is not any evidence at all that US intel agencies ACTED on the info or gave it to US corporations to use as you alleged, liar-bot.
In addition to it being peak Apple there is a backlash against things American since Trump decided to start his winnable trade war with China. The iPhone is no longer the status symbol it was six months ago. The Chinese brands, which typically use Android, are seeing a huge surge of interest, especially Huawei.
It wasn't that long ago that the US Government came out with the "report" that Huawei's telecom gear had backdoors in it but they couldn't say what it was. So far Germany has only come out and called their bluff. The other day Apple comes out with a warning about China and Trump's Trade War impacting their upcoming results. So now the White House comes out with a vague statement about China stealing Apple's technology. This is all a smokescreen to get you to forget about the damage that the trade war is causing but there's going to be a bunch of other companies with disappointing financial reports soon because Trump doesn't know the first thing about economics.
You know who else might have ripped off a some Prada stuff?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada
What does that remind you of?
Apple is nothing more than a pissant silhouette of an apple with a bite taken out of it.
By manufactruing in China, Steve Jobs bought his investors a far higher profit margin, but for a limited number of years. By manufacturing in China, he had to teach the Chinese to build his products and provide all the necessary documentation and understanding - and then by paying them to do that manufacturing he had to pay them enough to capitalize the infrastructure. This started a countdown clock for how long it would be before the Chinese state-run faux-businesses would be able to compete with and eventually overtake Apple with this product category - eventually Apple becomes the eliminateable expense in the cell phone market.
Steve Jobs effectively set Tim Cook up with a fixed number of years and an outrageous giant pile of cash - to dream-up and design and perfect Apple's "next great thing". So far, however, Cook seems to have made minor tweeks to the iPhone, and driven its price up to focus on the high-end customer, but there seems little evidence that he has been inventing a new "something insanely great". Perhaps he out to have spent a little more time on CEO matters and a little less time pushing his personal sexual-political preferences.
Maybe it's not only WindBourne that is this clueless? Who's that other idiot again?
Phones are more expensive in China because of taxes. Thats why people go abroad and come back with half a dozen phones to resell.
What a joke! Pure hysteria and fake accusations.
Why would China stole Apple technology? Huawei (and Samsung by the way) hardware are way better than Apple's. The only thing keeping Apple afloat is iOS, and that has not worked in China. Chinese people are used to Wechat and all-inclusive apps which work as "operating systems" on top of the operating system. Apple limits the functionality of apps to try to prevent this, but not Android variants do not.
Another lie from the uncompetitive team.
But Apple doesn't take flattery very well or at all!
that's the joke. the guy is so out of it and doesn't understand what goes into a mobile phone.
"Apple tech", well, you could at least specify what technology is there that's unique to Apple then. How do you steal something you're selling and licensing? like an arm soc - arm holdings licenses it, chinese pay for license and put it on a cheapo chip they put on a phone - where in that scenario is there anything stolen off apple?
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
No, they're not made at a loss. The price of the Chinese goods gives you an idea of the profit margin elsewhere.
10 years ago a factory printed DVD in a cover could be bought on the streets of Beijing for about USD$2 at the same time they were being sold at WalMart for USD$20 or more. The $18 difference isn't transport costs.
It's almost like if you pay your enemies to build your stuff for you, they'll steal your secrets and start building it for themselves. Smart!
Articles are not considered NEWSWORTHY. They are downright FAKE NEWS.
Except the iPhone's are Chinese phone and have been except from tarrifs.
Maybe you simply cannot sell phones 4 to 10 times the price with less innovative products.