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Frozen Train Tracks? Set 'Em on Fire (theatlantic.com)

It might look dangerous, but flames have kept switches moving and rails intact for a century. From a report: As if the horrors of the polar vortex were not already enough -- temperatures that look like typos, Canada Goose robbers, and something called frost quakes -- the nation's railroad system took a turn for the apocalyptic this week, too. Rails broke in three different places between Baltimore and Washington on Thursday, causing severe delays. Amtrak canceled dozens of trains passing through Chicago, and viral videos appeared to show commuter tracks in the city on fire. Of course, the tracks themselves were not burning -- they are made out of steel, prized for its tendency to rarely go up in flames. But the sight is still dramatic. The videos of the fires in Chicago last week show flames smoldering in patches of melted snow around the tracks.

Fires have been employed on railroads -- and remained the preferred fix for many a winter hazard -- for most of their roughly two-century history. While railroads have developed impressive tools for dealing with snow on the tracks, extreme temperatures remain a challenge. Though steel is flame-resistant, it's subject to cold, which can jam up railroads' many moving parts. When cold weather does wreak havoc on railroads, lighting fires on train tracks can serve a couple of uses. One is to thaw the switches that determine which track a train goes down, which is what Metra, the Chicagoland commuter-rail authority, said was going on this week. Switches are moving parts, and if ice gets into them, they can freeze in place. There are various types of switch heaters, which might use electric current or gas to melt ice -- or even an open gas flame, which is what's appearing in the Metra videos. Where there aren't switch heaters, crews might use temporary torchlike devices with a flame, the railroad equivalent of the smudge pots farmers use to keep citrus groves and apple orchards from freezing on cold nights.

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  1. Rail Co. follow standard procedure news at 11 by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    So lighting the tracks on fire, is a standard way of solving frozen tracks... While we all love to see fire, and it often an interments of destruction, a controlled fire, has its benefits too.

    Did you also know fire fighters who are trying to stop forest fires from spreading, may actually control burn parts of the forest, to isolate it from spreading?

    So fire melts Ice, or is this a conspiracy from big fire companies, who have been manipulating mankind for the last 2 million years.

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    1. Re:Rail Co. follow standard procedure news at 11 by Falos · · Score: 1

      Need a talking head accompaniment as an excuse to "informationally" amuse the surface dwellers with pictures. Their facetweets will have the conspiracy discussions later.

  2. Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by AcquaCow · · Score: 1

    Steel beams and all...

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    1. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Oh look, a 9/11 truther nutter. How original. The fact that a jetliner crashed into a building shouldn't affect the structural integrity of the building at all.

    2. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Wake up sheeple, that never happened. Those planes were crisis jetliners.

      In case you couldn't tell, I'm being sarcastic. The OP probably was as well.

    3. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Doubtful. Technonerds tend to be Truthers, because they are so much smarter than all the sheep. After all, they make six figures designing websites and fixing desktop computers. They must be smart

    4. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by Sique · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It all comes down to temperatures. The steel of the rails is fine until about 500 F, above that it loses its structural integrity. That's why the firebox of an oven is made from cast iron, not from steel. Cast iron is sturdy until it melts (around 2700 F), while steel is malleable at lower temperatures, depending on the type of steel starting around 500 F (That's the main reason we use steel anyway: The possibility to form it at temperatures way below the melting point!). And even jet fuel would be o.k. to unfrozen switches, as the heat goes up into the air, and the temperature of the rails never gets to 500 F. That's quite different from a closed building where the heat is trapped at the ceiling, heating the ceiling easily up to 1000 F or 1500 F.

      You can easily see the effect of normal fuel from the gas station if you look at the wrecks of burned out cars: In most cases, the frame of the car has sunken in under its own weight. Imagine the same steel frame with the weight of dozens of floors on top of it!

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    5. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know that one of the most common ways of shaping steel is heating so it is more malleable. It also causes steel to expand. In this case the expansion of the steel rails is what is being done to keep the joints from pulling apart. Since this is done in a controlled fashion they know not to heat the rails to the point they would deform much, just enough to get them back to their usual length. So while jet fuel(aka kerosene) isn't hot enough to melt steel, it is hot enough to cause steel to expand and possibly buckle under the pressure. Railroads often have this issue in extreme heat where the rails expand to the point that they buckle and twist up...

      Did you ever think that maybe some of those physical processes that would occur when heating steel with burning jet fuel would maybe, just maybe cause some sort of structural failure?

      Did you know that bridges are often damaged by fires below them from major accidents. Those fires also are not enough to melt the steel, but...they structurally damage the bridge
      http://www.dot7.state.pa.us/BPR_PDF_FILES/Documents/Research/Complete%20Projects/Maintenance/Effects%20of%20Fire%20Damage.pdf Note in the introduction:

      1.0
      INTRODUCTION
      Steel bridges are occasionally subjected to fire events due to accidents or explosions of vehicles containing flammable materials. Significant bridge fire events have occurred in the recent past.
      For example:
      (i)
      In Hazel Park, Michigan on July 15, 2009 an out of control car caused a tanker, carrying
      13000 gallons of gas and 4000 gallons of diesel fuel, to strike an overpass on I-75.
      Intense heat and an explosion caused the overpass to collapse within 30 minutes of
      exposure to approximately 2300ÂF (1260C) in temperature (Kodur et al. 2010).

      Now you go ahead and explain to me how a fuel tanker on the highway is any different than a jet fuel laden airplane? Explain to me that somehow the steel in buildings is substantially different than the steel in bridges? Tell me again why would a bridge collapse under intense heat from burning diesel and gasoline but a skyscraper would not collapse from burning jet fuel and building materials.

      This is well known materials engineering stuff...

    6. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Until you realize they went cheap on construction hiring nonunion workers and cut every corner they could find. Then it all makes more sense.

    7. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes to all this! And by the way, they did use jet fuel on the tracks.... aka: kerosene.

    8. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      That does add some credence to it.

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    9. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affect the structural stability sure, but cause two seperate buildings to collapse at free fall speeds and also demolish a third un-hit-by-a-plane building? Seems a bit off.

      Read the final report from the investigation, it explains it in detail.

    10. Re: Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not about joint expansion. This is about keeping a switch from being frozen in place.

    11. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Third building was hit with much of the debris from the other two.

    12. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You saw those big fireballs? There's your jet fuel."

      really? All of it? So I guess other airliner crashes in the world should clearly show the fire stopping after the plane crashes, right? ... right?

    13. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop building your building out of wood. Bricks, concrete do not burn, and no, concrete buildings are not condemned after a small fire in them.

      Oh yes they still can be condemned, fire can cause all sorts of damage to bricks and concrete. Cracking, spalling, just to name a few failure modes after being subjected to intense heat.

    14. Re: Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by Seewhatidonehere · · Score: 0

      Just wow. Such ignorance.

    15. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hit by debris which started a fire that was left uncontrolled due to the activity at the two main towers.

    16. Re:Good thing they didn't use jet fuel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You saw those big fireballs? There's your jet fuel."

      really? All of it? So I guess other airliner crashes in the world should clearly show the fire stopping after the plane crashes, right? ... right?

      Other stuff set on fire

  3. Deja vu by Nidi62 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Speaking as an Atlanta native, we are well aware that Northerners have plenty of experience heating up railroad tracks.

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    1. Re: Deja vu by ThePhish · · Score: 1

      ....Sherman's March something something...

      moving on.

    2. Re:Deja vu by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Steel doesn't fatigue? Who knew? What about if a large jet crashes into a building? Does that affect it, or should the building just stand there?

    3. Re:Deja vu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obligatory wikipedia entry to explain comment. Posting anon to avoid karma whoring.

    4. Re:Deja vu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as an Atlanta native, we are well aware that Northerners have plenty of experience heating up railroad tracks.

      Why this DUMB post get "4, Interesting" ?

    5. Re:Deja vu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sherman should have killed every motherfucker in the south, including slaves who didn't take to arms in the name of freedom.

      Southerners are lumps of shit that need flushed.

    6. Re:Deja vu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahoy retarded motherfucker,

      Another moron who doesn't know how a forge really works. Go suck some more Muslim dicks.

  4. very strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i have been assured that we are in the post-industrial 3d printed future
    why do we care about a 19th century series of trains?

    1. Re:very strange by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Exactly. These types of stories are offensive. Why didn't they use AI to determine which tracks were frozen and how much fire to use? Or they could use Tesla powerwalls to generate resistance heat to unfreeze the tracks. There isn't a solution that couldn't be improved by a 100x more expensive and complicated application of technology.

    2. Re:very strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my grandaddy used an IBM 360, my daddy used a Commodore 64, I am using a Core i7, my kid will use an abacus

  5. I used this trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to get a truck started in the Yukon once. It's not an unheard of practice in rural Canada, particularly with older diesels.

    1. Re:I used this trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried that on my lazy children in the morning once and all I got was a prison sentence.

  6. Asked for it by sjbe · · Score: 0

    Speaking as an Atlanta native, we are well aware that Northerners have plenty of experience heating up railroad tracks.

    Yeah maybe you'll think about not owning slaves sooner next time and then you could get over a bitch slap that happened 150 years ago.

    1. Re:Asked for it by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Speaking as an Atlanta native, we are well aware that Northerners have plenty of experience heating up railroad tracks.

      Yeah maybe you'll think about not owning slaves sooner next time and then you could get over a bitch slap that happened 150 years ago.

      Eh, my family most likely never owned slaves. Father's side comes from NE TN which was predominately Unionist, mother's side comes from Chicago (although supposedly at one time they were merchants in the Caribbean-what type of trade they were in is up for conjecture).

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    2. Re:Asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that escalated... unnecessarily?

    3. Re:Asked for it by sjbe · · Score: 1

      Eh, my family most likely never owned slaves.

      Yet you still manage to be salty about some bent railroad ties resulting from losing the war that the South started over an unforgivable practice of slavery.

    4. Re:Asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      salty about some bent railroad ties

      Nice work on continuing the north-south rift that's now 158 years old. And BTW, the yankees bent the rails, not the ties. Try reading some history.

    5. Re:Asked for it by Nidi62 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Eh, my family most likely never owned slaves.

      Yet you still manage to be salty about some bent railroad ties resulting from losing the war that the South started over an unforgivable practice of slavery.

      Who says I was salty? I was merely making a tongue in cheek reference to Sherman and the March. However, I am of the camp that argues that boiling down the cause of the Civil War to slavery is a gross simplification. While it may have been about slavery and profits for the landowners and aristocracy behind secession, for the majority of the men behind the guns, it was about the perception (fueled by the pro-secessionist political/economic forces) that outsiders were going to come in and take away or change their way of life. That perception still exists today and can partially explain the rise of the alt-right and white nationalist movements in mainstream American politics.

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    6. Re: Asked for it by Seewhatidonehere · · Score: 0

      Actually slavery is as old as humanity really and currently there are more people enslaved than at any other time before, estimates put the number around 30mill worldwide. We need to stop this deluded idea that whenever we mention slavery we are being forced to think of afro slaves working for the sugar plantations. Yes it happened, yes it was vile, but it STILL is just a part of a much much bigger picture. On the subject of railtracks if we have been doing this for a 100 years then why is this any news, just coz you Muricans are frozen in a little you can't stop goi g on about it..

    7. Re:Asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then again you should have realized that it is the perception of others that you should make them feel better/superior by acquiescing to their asinine 'no-fault' demands (no fault to them in any way for making the demand) of apologizing for something in-no-way the cause or responsibility of you or your ancestors. :D

      (btw I once participated in the creation of a 'Sherman necktie' during a reenactment. It wa'n't all that hard, actually, except for doing it in midsummer heat.)

    8. Re:Asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what if perception was a mirror of reality? At the end slavery was just a detail and the majority fought the war against the other side either out of local patriotism, because somebody raped and/or maimed their family or because they had to. The morons that raise the statues are just that. There will be no peace - some whites believe in the guilt, some blacks just use the occasion. Interestingly there are significant differences in the way blacks from say Caribbean perform in US and the 'native' ones - cannot be explained by racism. As for the article - it is nice when software monkeys discuss about real stuff - like things that work only if worked upon with fire etc. They get uneasy on things when stuff does require physical attention after deployment and you cannot fix it with a keyboard. Must be a shock for millenials - what, you cannot access the hw config from your smartphone?

    9. Re:Asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely unforgivable. That's why blacks to this day have not forgiven the Africans that captured their ancestors and then sold the excess slaves to the white man.

      Ya know, that *would* go a long way to explaining the prevalence of black-on-black violence...

    10. Re:Asked for it by Xylantiel · · Score: 1

      Your "way of life" argument is a self-deception. Your claim is that the northerners had no right to dictate that the south cannot have slaves, but simultaneously that southerners should be able to dictate that the US government is responsible for upholding the south's slave laws, effectively extending those laws outside the south. I would completely agree that current alt-right and white nationalist movements also are blind to the fact that their ideology is founded on an essential hypocrisy like this.

      What about the millions of black people being held prisoner in the south? What about their "way of life"? Did they get to vote for or against secession?

    11. Re: Asked for it by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      I'm not arguing for the merits of those beliefs, I'm simply stating that they held those beliefs.

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    12. Re:Asked for it by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      I tihnk you're aroused the ire of a snowflake. Well, it is February in the Northern Hemisphere...

  7. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want this for my driveway.

    1. Re:Hmmm by Iwastheone · · Score: 1

      Be like Bill Gates, his miles long driveway is a heated, ice/snow free one.

    2. Re:Hmmm by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Be like Bill Gates, his miles long driveway is a heated, ice/snow free one.

      Good idea. I will become a billionaire. Why hadn't I thought of that before? Now, if each of you can give me a few hundred thousand $$$$, I will achieve my aim.

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  8. Really here too? by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    These are gas burners under the switches. They run them every winter to keep the tracks from getting ice locked.

  9. Yup, and fuck freedom too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do, of course, realize that destroying the tracks was merely an act of genocide. It was a deliberate, malicious act to destroy the economy in order to weaken the southern culture *after the war*. No different than the tens of thousands of republican carpetbaggers sent to make sure that the southerners could not have any political power.

    Yes, it was an attempt at genocide, and yes, it continues today.

    1. Re:Yup, and fuck freedom too by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Continues today? The redneck states get a disproportionate amount of federal money. But poor you. Welfare queens.

    2. Re:Yup, and fuck freedom too by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      You do, of course, realize that destroying the tracks was merely an act of genocide. It was a deliberate, malicious act to destroy the economy in order to weaken the southern culture *after the war*.

      If a state at war is not trying to destroy it's enemy's ability to make war, that state is ineptly led and most likely destined to lose the war. Atlanta and it's railroads were a valid military target. If you want to blame anyone for the state of the South after the war, blame Booth. He's the idiot that killed Lincoln and let the hardliners take control of Reconstruction.

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    3. Re:Yup, and fuck freedom too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your bigotry is priceless in this context. Oh, and that number is only true if you ignore the income tax deductions for state taxes. Once you figure that it, it's no longer true.

    4. Re:Yup, and fuck freedom too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you view the south as occupied territories, not a part of the union?

    5. Re:Yup, and fuck freedom too by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      So you view the south as occupied territories, not a part of the union?

      While the war was ongoing, yes, they were occupied territory. They had a functioning government, territorial integrity, (relatively) functional currency, and diplomatic representation. They were literally one victory away from receiving international recognition as an independent state. After surrender and reintegration into the union, they once again became US territory. Just as the original 13 colonies were occupied territory for the areas held by the British during the Revolution.

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    6. Re: Yup, and fuck freedom too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red states get more federal dollar than they pay. That is true even if you don't allow state property tax deductions.

      But so what. Red states plus Blue states are really mostly all Purple states and we are stronger together. Russian and Chinese paid trolls seek to create a conflict to weaken America.

      I like being able to drink Florida orange juice in winter as a snack, and eating microwave Iowa popcorn while watching Californian sources Netflix. Must suck to be a Russian troll.

    7. Re:Yup, and fuck freedom too by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Your bigotry is priceless in this context.

      This kind of bigotry is not a reference to the slavery of 150 years ago or the race relations of 60 years, but butthurt over the South switching from Democrat to Republican circa 1980. Certain people have been wanting to restart the Civil War ever since.

    8. Re:Yup, and fuck freedom too by Cederic · · Score: 1

      If a state at war is not trying to destroy it's enemy's ability to make war, that state is ineptly led

      Or they've read their Clauswitz and understand that the objective of war has fuck all to do with winning the war.

    9. Re:Yup, and fuck freedom too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the objective of war is to secure the demesne so that I can assassinate my wife's male siblings so she, and by extension me and my children, inherit her father's titles.

    10. Re: Yup, and fuck freedom too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not Russian, just a "privileges" white guy who finds it ironic that the progressives lecture about white privilege, but are very happy to demonstrate their bigotry against minority cultures, as long as the hated minority is white.

      Go ahead and do the math with the income tax deductions. You'll find the numbers change hugely.

  10. Not Newsworthy by Thelasko · · Score: 2

    Those tracks in Chicago are flaming like that through most winter storms. Somebody decided it was newsworthy because of the severe cold. However, it's nothing new.

    It's like saying a storm is bad because lightning hit the Sears Tower.

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    1. Re:Not Newsworthy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those tracks in Chicago are flaming like that through most winter storms. Somebody decided it was newsworthy because of the severe cold. However, it's nothing new.

      It's like saying a storm is bad because lightning hit the Sears Tower.

      It's another idiot journalist who can't bother to do a bit of research. What did you think those propane tanks next to so many railroad crossings and switches are for? Oh wait, probably written by some know-nothing from SoCal who's never seen a train that wasn't in a subway.

    2. Re:Not Newsworthy by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Not every news article needs to be some mind blowing revelation of international interest to nerds. Some news articles can just contain new stuff. Today I learnt 2 things, in America they use fire to keep tracks from freezing, and that there's a picture floating around of lightning striking all three towers in Chicago.

      All in all, happy I read it on Slashdot, and happy I read it in the comments too. If only we could have more of this rather than yet another Red vs Blue political debate.

    3. Re:Not Newsworthy by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      Today I learnt 2 things, in America they use fire to keep tracks from freezing, and that there's a picture floating around of lightning striking all three towers in Chicago.

      Not all tracks are set on fire to prevent freezing. There are a few spots in Chicago that are more prone to freezing than other locations.

      It's always nice to learn new things!

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  11. It's just Winter by DrYak · · Score: 1

    "Polar vortex" what-ever.
    That weather is just called "winter".

    The fact that you've so much lost the habit of it that some occasionnal slight return to older typical warther is suddenly newsworthy is more a sign of how awful the climate change has become !

    Now insert some grumbling about up-hill in the snow both ways and about lawns.

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    1. Re:It's just Winter by guruevi · · Score: 1

      This has always been typical weather, it's actually a pretty mild winter right now. The problem is a 24h news cycle that needs a distraction from the real issues at hand, both for the left and the right, for all branches of government across all countries.

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    2. Re:It's just Winter by RabidStoat · · Score: 3, Funny

      Lawns? Lawns ! .. luxury .. when I were lad we had only had dirt

    3. Re:It's just Winter by Sooner+Boomer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dirt! If only we had dirt! When I was a kid, all we had was gravel! And it was cold!

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    4. Re:It's just Winter by WhiplashII · · Score: 1

      Um, no. -50 in Chicago is news. Coldest weather in all time for those days, coldest in many decades overall.

      https://chicago.curbed.com/201...

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    5. Re:It's just Winter by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Dirt! If only we had dirt! When I was a kid, all we had was gravel! And it was cold!

      Gravel? I wish we had gravel, all we had were the ground up bones of our ancestors! And they were still decomposing!

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    6. Re:It's just Winter by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      -23 apparently, the record is -27.

      I guess by -50 you meant with windchill? Silly made up numbers. In places where it actually gets cold they give the figure in "minutes until exposed flesh freezes".

    7. Re:It's just Winter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -23 apparently, the record is -27.

      I guess by -50 you meant with windchill? Silly made up numbers. In places where it actually gets cold they give the figure in "minutes until exposed flesh freezes".

      Which is also usually a negative number...

  12. That won't end badly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No way this could go wrong!

  13. Maybe Snowpiercer IS realistic!! by daboochmeister · · Score: 1

    And here I thought that underground refuges would be the last bastions against the Big Freeze ...

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  14. Seasonal Amnesia by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

    It seems people are now forgetting that it gets cold in the winter.

    Those in Chicago especially. It's also bad in New England where they make excuses for their lack of budget for snow removal. "It never gets this bad."

    Yes it does, people just seem to blot out the bad in favor of those nice hot and humid summers.

    Using gas jets to keep track switches from bindings isn't something new.

  15. It's just geese. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still finding out about the goose robbers.

  16. Going to work, seeing your tracks on fire by pierceelevated · · Score: 1

    I've had jobs that seemed like that every day.

    1. Re:Going to work, seeing your tracks on fire by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I've had jobs that seemed like that every day.

      I've had toilet visits like that.

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  17. Nothing New Here by Mooga · · Score: 1

    Chicago Born and Raised. Seeing tracks on fire during the winter is pretty common. I honestly thought this was common practice.

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    1. Re:Nothing New Here by Walter+White · · Score: 1

      It was pretty spooky the first time I saw it. This was on the UP and after dark. Just outside Oglvie there are a *lot* of turnouts and they are all heated with crude gas sparges. The windows are tinted so it is hard to see anything in the dark. All I could see was a bunch of flames dancing at ground level. I did a double-take until I figured out what it was.

      I think they could get more efficient results with proper burners and temperature control, but that would also involve more parts to fail. I'm guessing an inventive track maintenance worker ran a propane line to a piece of pipe with holes drilled along the length. They probably refined it until they had something that was reliable and stopped development there. I'm guessing they converted to natural gas as a more reliable fuel at some point (no tanks to refill.)

  18. Gas heating is not optimal by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    The Dutch rail system has a large number of gas-heated points. Their fires kept getting blown out, so they're being phased out in favor of electric heaters.

    1. Re:Gas heating is not optimal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Dutch rail system has a large number of gas-heated points. Their fires kept getting blown out, so they're being phased out in favor of electric heaters.

      Holland is fucking tropical compared to Chicago or Boston, so they don't have anywhere near as much of a problem.

    2. Re: Gas heating is not optimal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems like electrical ignition instead of a pilot light might make more sense, thermodynamically speaking.

    3. Re: Gas heating is not optimal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But unlike Chicago and Boston, they have a modern railway network with lots of trains, so frozen points are a big problem. A few years ago, there was an extended period of unusually low temperatures with lots of snow and sometimes, some of the points heaters wouldn't ignite, leading to huge disruptions during morning rush hour. They are now being replaced by the electric heaters also used in Alpine countries and Scandinavia. Those alsose almost never fail, regardless of temperature.

    4. Re: Gas heating is not optimal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course. A pilot light would be pointless for such a device.

  19. Magneto spotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Rails broke in three different places between Baltimore and Washington on Thursday, causing severe delays.

    Magneto was spotted leaving the area, surrounded by a dozen large robots.

  20. In other news: planes de-iced with hot water by stevegee58 · · Score: 1
    1. Re:In other news: planes de-iced with hot water by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/...

      If I was on a plane and saw that I would immediately ask to be deplaned as I would not consider that aircraft airworthy.

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    2. Re:In other news: planes de-iced with hot water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you're a cunt so no one really gives a fuck what you think. Southern lump of shit.

  21. Northerners wanted wage slaves by ghoul · · Score: 1

    I dont have a dog in this fight. i am neither black nor white and recent immigrant to US but the Northerners were not fighting out of the pureness of their hearts. The northern economy was based on manufacturing for which they needed cheap factory labor. One large available source was freed slaves. hence they wanted to abolish slavery to give a boost to their manufacturing. At the same time they wanted high tariffs to protect their factories from European imports. The Southern economy was on the other hand based on agricultural plantations which needed both slaves to run and export markets in Europe so the Southerners were against abolishing slavery and for low tariffs (tariffs are generally mutual - if you put high tariffs on European imports they will put high tariffs on Southern exports). The country basically had 2 economies and each needed a different handling from the center. So the Southerners decided to go their separate way which was their right under the Constitution as understood at that time.

    This is not very dissimilar from Brexit however I don't see a European army invading Britain to keep it in the EU.

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  22. six figures fixing desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what? where?
    And nerd usually read more about the subject (not on slashdot) so they have better criticize of these - ready made answer.
    on topic: what about the other intact building that collapsed next to it? what about the near free-fall collapse, explosion witness by dozen underground?

    anyway it will always stay hazy.

  23. Sorry only in 3rd world countries by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    Switches with _any_ security, may that be isolated rails or axle-counters would be ruined, not to mention the modern switches have plastic rolling supports that would melt.
    These were used, because the old steel plaques had to be treated with oil every day or every couple of days by hand, which costs a fortune.

    So most modern railway companies use automatic electric heating when the temperature falls below a certain point. It's way cheaper than having to pay people to go there and heat them by hand.
    In some countries, Belgium f.ex. they use gas heating if it's only one or a couple of switches.

    PS: I have been a railway dispatcher for 40 years.

  24. Global warming,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All those fires to prevent tracks from freezing over ... think of the carbon footprint.
    So in order to keep tracks from freezing, we add to global warming .... uhmm nevermind.

  25. How about environmental impact? by SPopulisQR · · Score: 1

    How about environmental impact? Where are the people who would be concerned with the impact of C02 and other air polution. How about climate warming, literally....

    1. Re:How about environmental impact? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about environmental impact? Where are the people who would be concerned with the impact of C02 and other air polution. How about climate warming, literally....

      yeah put all those train commuters in cars instead, that's the ticket

  26. You all thought.... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

    ...I was crazy for buying that flamethrower. Well, my railroad switches are working just fine...

  27. Missing The Important Parts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All these posts talking about fire, but no one is discussing the truly important part; Canada Goose robbers.

    What is a Canada Goose robber? Is it someone who robs Canadian Geese? Is it Canadian Geese who are robbers? If it is the former, who the hell would be crazy enough to attempt to rob those incarnations of pure evil?

  28. This Youtube video. Seriously. by RedK · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    No matter how dense you are, this is /thread.

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  29. Defying the overlords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It wasn't about slavery; it was about the Yankee's deliberate destruction of the economy. Destroying the rails was an act of economic warfare, to ensure that the vassal states could not rebuild and liberate themselves.

  30. This why railroads died in America by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
    The tracks are privately owned and they have to be maintained by private funds.

    The roads are used by both tax payers and heavy commercial trucks of the 80,000 lb class. The damage done by on truck equals the wear and tear of some 9000 private cars. The cost of road and bridge project to accept 80,000 lb trucks makes them so expensive. But they get massively subsidized by the tax payers.

    But there is very strongly embedded idea among the people that railroads are tax subsidized white elephants, while the commercial trucks are the epitome of free market and competition.

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    1. Re:This why railroads died in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But there is very strongly embedded idea among the people that railroads are tax subsidized white elephants, while the commercial trucks are the epitome of free market and competition.

      So you have never in your life encountered anyone from the city? Do you really think that we all think like your stupid neighbors? Get a life.

    2. Re:This why railroads died in America by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      They also died because taxes on railroad tickets directly subsidized the highways and airports which replaced them.

      A model where the rails are "public" and private operators can use them, similar to how cars and trucks use roads, might work. But both left and right would cry about that (right wouldn't like the public sector taking on the infrastructure costs and left wouldn't like private industry running the services).

    3. Re:This why railroads died in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They also died because taxes on railroad tickets directly subsidized the highways and airports which replaced them.

      A model where the rails are "public" and private operators can use them, similar to how cars and trucks use roads, might work. But both left and right would cry about that (right wouldn't like the public sector taking on the infrastructure costs and left wouldn't like private industry running the services).

      Ask the poor folks in the UK how your proposed idea is working out ? Guess you never heard of the bollocks called NetworkRail ?

    4. Re:This why railroads died in America by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      I haven't a clue why the UK can't manage to do it, but Japan does at least cover operating expenses with fares. And those fares cost less per mile than their American and Canadian counterparts (dunno about the UK).

    5. Re: This why railroads died in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That the UK managed to screw it up doesn't mean that there is something wrong with the concept. It works fine in many other countries.

  31. It will happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The plebes may not vote for freedom. Brexit will be squashed.

  32. late 1940 to early 1950's where tolls at the state by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    late 1940 to early 1950's where tolls at the state level of owner ship

  33. Re: bitcH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TB12 is the greatest, bitcH

  34. This wouldn’t work in most of the US by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    There are large parts of the country where we still use wooden ties.

    1. Re:This wouldn’t work in most of the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are large parts of the country where we still use wooden ties.

      and you think the modern silk ties are less flammable?