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Lightsaber Dueling Registered as Official Sport in France (theguardian.com)

It's now easier than ever in France to act out Star Wars fantasies. The country's fencing federation has officially recognized lightsaber dueling as a competitive sport, granting the weapon from George Lucas's space saga the same status as the foil, epee and sabre, the traditional blades used at the Olympics. From a report: Of course, the LED-lit, rigid polycarbonate replicas can't slice an opponent in half. But they look and sound remarkably like the blades that Yoda and other characters wield in the blockbuster movies. The physicality of lightsaber combat is part of the reason why the French Fencing Federation is now equipping fencing clubs with lightsabers and training would-be lightsaber instructors. Like virtuous Jedi knights, the federation sees itself as combatting a Dark Side: the sedentary habits of 21st-century life.

"With young people today, it's a real public health issue. They don't do any sport and only exercise with their thumbs," says Serge Aubailly, the federation's secretary general. "That is why we are trying to create a bond between our discipline and modern technologies, so participating in a sport feels natural." In the past, Zorro, Robin Hood and The Three Musketeers helped lure new practitioners to fencing. Now, Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader are joining them. "Cape-and-sword movies have always had a big impact on our federation and its growth," Aubailly says. "Lightsaber films have the same impact. Young people want to give it a try."

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  1. I wonder... by BringsApples · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...what percentage of French people are happy, or even care, about this. Or is this just another of the strange things that get to happen in today's world?

    Who knows. But here's a list of other odd sports that exist.

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    1. Re:I wonder... by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Traditional Fencing is an expensive sport to learn. There is a lot of safety equipment that needs to be tailored to you, and a well balanced and crafted saber or foil isn't cheap too. Especially compared to a $20 football (choose your brand of foot ball) and an other $100 worth of safety equipment

      Light Saber with these toy Sabers, are actually much safer, and you don't need such a high barrier to entry to the sport.

      With all the thing in the world, Sports with a well regulated and organized way to beating the crap out of other people is probably what we need anyways.

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    2. Re:I wonder... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      I made "lightsabers" for my boys for $1 each. Get some inexpensive pool noodles, shiny silver duct tape, and black tape (electrical tape works well). Cut the pool noodle in half. Wrap silver duct tape around one end to make a "handle." Add the black tape to make decorative fixtures like "buttons." Now, you can battle and whack each other with your lightsabers without hurting each other. Depending on the length of the pool noodle, each one might make two sabers - or only one with some bits left over. These stand up for about a year or two of my boys hitting them against each other quite hard so they're quite long lived for the cost - and easily replaced. (Also, you can make them in different colors to suit your Jedi or Sith preferences.)

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    3. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no. Fenced my whole life. Foil and mask - around $70. 'Light Saber' on Amazon - around $20 for cheapest, $200 for expensive (no current masks or use the same ones). As you can "poke your eye out" with either, there's protective gear for both (I would fucking hope) and *both* are 'tailored' as long as you define tailored as getting a jacket your size.

      Toys will deteriorate with use much faster, so replacements will be more often. Foil blade breaks (happens, not frequently) - install another (3 for $50) because they're made for self-repairing. Break your light saber, get another.

      That's all manual judging competition gear. If you insist on talking electronic gear, it's more expensive, but then you're comparing electronic fencing to toy human judging light saber. If you require electronic judging on both, invent the light saber equivalent.

      Safer? No. Injury by the actual equipment is quite rare. The bulk of injuries are repetitive stress oriented and the same will hold true in light saber fighting.

      Light saber fencing is equivalent to a farting contest.

    4. Re:I wonder... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Traditional Fencing is an expensive sport to learn. There is a lot of safety equipment that needs to be tailored to you

      I usually buy my fencing supplies from Home Depot. Safety glasses are about $10 and seem to fit well off the shelf.

  2. Disney Lawyers by Mycroft-X · · Score: 1

    Lawsuit incoming in 3....2....1.....

    1. Re:Disney Lawyers by supremebob · · Score: 1

      That would be kinda stupid, no? If Lightsaber dueling becomes an official sport, they can make a fortune selling actual "Official Licensed Gear" of the sport.

      They could become the next Wilson of Lightsabers, and only sue the people selling knockoff products.

  3. wedgie by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    The longer I live, the more I understand why nerds get bullied.

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    1. Re:wedgie by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      The more generic form is "the longer I live, the more I think most people are idiots".

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    2. Re:wedgie by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's no more nerdy than foil fencing, just less old. It's also about as abstracted from reality as foil fencing.

      Any exercise program that you actually do is a good one. If light sabers motivate people, more power to them.

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    3. Re:wedgie by Ogive17 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's sad that people are being ridiculed for doing something that brings joy and has no negative impact on anyone else.

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    4. Re:wedgie by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      It's sad that people are being ridiculed for doing something that brings joy and has no negative impact on anyone else.

      I can accept that bullying is sad and bad and at the same time understand its motivation.

      I guess nerds don't do nuance.

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    5. Re:wedgie by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      you're just an asshole.

      You sound like my wife.

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    6. Re:wedgie by Livius · · Score: 1

      If light sabers motivate people, more power

      I see what you did.

    7. Re:wedgie by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I don't know about bullying a guy that had spent a couple hundred hours learning from a fencing instructor... light saber or other wise he could probably grab a broom stick and do some damage. Worse yet, he could be a Trekkie and go for a sharpened Bat'leth made of stainless steel you wouldn't need any training to do some damage with that.
       

    8. Re:wedgie by lrichardson · · Score: 1

      Meh ... modern fencing (foil, épée) is 99% pistol grip, which simply doesn't translate into a broom, stick, or 'real' sword. As for the Bat'leth, you're absolutely right, they would do some damage ... to themselves. The thing is fundamentally unbalanced, and nigh on useless in combat (as choreographed in the shows).

      HEMA would be a better place to start ... but even there, weapons are changing to take advantage of the rules (e.g. longswords are becoming slightly longer than historical records suggest)

    9. Re:wedgie by Solandri · · Score: 2

      The modern foil fencing saber is a bastardized form of the original saber, altered to be more foil-like to increase the excitement from lightning-quick thrusts and parries. The original saber is meant to be twirled. When you make a sweeping cut with a straight sword, you lose all the energy you put into the blow if it misses the target. But because you twirl a saber, the rotational energy you put into it builds up and is retained until you hit something. That's why it's so prominently curved - when you twirl it most of your hits are going to slicing blows, and curving the blade allows you to make slices with less chance of getting the blade stuck (contact is along a shorter length of the edge). Same reason cavalry sabers were curved - so they wouldn't get stuck and ripped out of your hand while you struck a blow from horseback.

      In that respect, the light saber duels in the movies with their "fancy" twirling and spinning is actually somewhat historically accurate to its namesake (more so than the fencing saber). And if people want to want to do this type of sparring using fake light sabers instead of traditional curved sabers, then all the ore power to them. (Presumably they're not curved because they can slice through anything so can't get stuck.)

    10. Re:wedgie by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I don't know about bullying a guy that had spent a couple hundred hours learning from a fencing instructor... light saber or other wise he could probably grab a broom stick and do some damage.

      We have footage of actual lightsaber duellists, and I'm not sure the bullies are worried.

      https://youtu.be/H_Z9orDS84c

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    11. Re:wedgie by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't think the technique of a lightsabre, if such things existed, would be anything like fencing. I'm thinking something more along the lines of the Chinese jian or longsword.

      https://youtu.be/4XTK0ursJkk

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    12. Re:wedgie by wwphx · · Score: 2

      I prefer "Everybody is someone else's weirdo." I pride myself on being able to fulfill that role for many people simultaneously.

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    13. Re:wedgie by lgw · · Score: 1

      The modern foil fencing saber is a bastardized form of the original saber,

      The sport fencing technique has no relation at all to acual historical saber technique (YouTube is full of HEMA videos that explain this - there's a whole different martial art for historical accuracy). BTW, many cavalry sabers were straight, designed primarily for thrusting as one rode by one's target.

      Light sabre fencing also has nothing to do with historical saber technique, but it wouldn't surprise me if they grow closer over time as the historical martial arts actually needed to be effective, and presumably will be used by those that do both.

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  4. Épée by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    We don't go around calling your cities "Nouveau York" or "Laveington/Laverton".

    It's spelled "épée" not "epee".

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    1. Re:Épée by Livius · · Score: 1

      Nouveau York is ungrammatical. It's Nouvel-York.

    2. Re:Épée by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      No such word as "Nouvel". In the masculine form it's "nouveau" and in the feminine form it's "nouvelle".

      So it would be either "Nouveau York" or "Nouvelle York", depending on if you define "York" as male or female.

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  5. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Now we just need to invent light sabers.

  6. No longer by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The longer I live, the more I understand why nerds get bullied.

    Going to slow down substantially when the bullies find themselves beaten with glowing, sound emitting staffs.

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  7. Registered? by Kohath · · Score: 1

    What's the penalty for participating in an unregistered sport?

    1. Re:Registered? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      What's the penalty for participating in an unregistered sport?

      They take your ball and go home.

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    2. Re:Registered? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Posting on YouTube.

    3. Re:Registered? by rukiddingme · · Score: 1

      I got busted lightsabering as a kid. They threw the book at me. When I said I had no idea it was an 'unregistered' sport, they told me 'ignorance is not a valid legal defense', and doubled my fine. True story!

    4. Re:Registered? by tepples · · Score: 2

      I guess the penalty of competing in an unrecognized discipline of fencing was ineligibility for recognition of your club's activity by your country's governing body of fencing.

    5. Re:Registered? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nothing, you're out of balls by then. Or maybe they take your shaft?

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    6. Re:Registered? by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Surrender?

  8. You can't really expect the French to man up... by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

    Star Wars lightsaber fighting isn't the real thing. Spaceballs lightsaber fighting is the real thing.

    1. Re:You can't really expect the French to man up... by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

      The Simpsons, where else? ;)

    2. Re:You can't really expect the French to man up... by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

      You're being too polite. These bastards need to fuck off.

    3. Re:You can't really expect the French to man up... by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

      I'm not creimer. Fuck off.

    4. Re:You can't really expect the French to man up... by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

      I'm. Not. Creimer. Fuck. Off. Again.

    5. Re:You can't really expect the French to man up... by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

      Fuck off, asshole.

  9. Kendo? They invented Kendo? by OzPeter · · Score: 2

    Seriously .. it looks like Kendo .. https://youtu.be/n7XfOA7Ly6U

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  10. No harm in it by Ogive17 · · Score: 2

    If it gets more people interested in these "combat" sports, why not? Those that really enjoy the sport might eventually switch to one of the more traditional weapons. This could bring a big boost to the national program for France.

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    1. Re:No harm in it by hey! · · Score: 1

      If people are having fun, why does it have to accomplish anything?

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    2. Re:No harm in it by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      Not claiming it does. However increased participation and exposure to sword fighting sports will eventually strengthen their program.

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  11. Kendo The Japanses sport by ardmhacha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Japanese sport of Kendo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... using a bamboo sword called a shinai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... is very close to lightsaber fighting.

  12. It's no weirder than real fencing by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    It's really no weirder than a sport based on obsolete weaponry (used in a way that that nobody gets hurt with).

    In today's world, light sabers are not especially more fictional that swords, as far as everyday life goes.

  13. Well... Less likely to get hurt? by foxalopex · · Score: 2

    It seems like fun unless you get nailed in the wrong place. Thou I wonder if plastic stick dueling (which is more accurate) would take the fun out of it.

  14. Oh, that's nothing... by Erbo · · Score: 1
    I saw bat'leth dueling at MileHiCon once. That would be fun.

    Among other things, the duelists tended to freely acknowledge when their opponents scored a hit. It was the honorable thing to do.

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  15. Re:are you even familiar with how children behave? by Your.Master · · Score: 1

    Do you seriously think that's confusing to children?

    Either children sometimes get hit with shit regardless of whether they beat each other with sticks, in which case they learn anyway.

    Or they don't sometimes get hit, in which case it doesn't matter whether they learn it because it never happens.

  16. Buckshot! by Zorro · · Score: 2

    You are NOT deflecting all 9 pellets of 00 Buckshot with a lightsaber!.

  17. Fencing has a problem by Harvey+Manfrenjenson · · Score: 2

    I've said this before (and promptly got yelled at in the comments), but I'll say it again:

    The problem with Western fencing is that it just isn't much fun to watch. This is true even if you've done some fencing yourself, and can sort-of follow what is going on. In recent years, the Olympic bouts haven't even been televised.

    The main issue is that the action is over in about two seconds. The other issue is that you usually can't follow what happened in those two seconds. Quite often it appears that both fencers have scored a hit, and the question of who gets a point comes down to the judge's interpretation of arcane "right-of-way" rules.

    This is just wrong. Swordfighting is supposed to be fun to watch! How on earth do you take a swordfight and turn it into something duller than a golf tournament? Western fencing rules, that's how.

    It's time they developed some variant forms of fencing. To begin with, get rid of the idea that the action should grind to a halt whenever anyone scores a valid touch-- and get rid of the idea that anything which happens a half-second after the touch "doesn't count". Boxing doesn't work that way. MMA doesn't work that way. Neither does real swordfighting, I would imagine.

    While you're at it, why does everything have to take place on a fencing strip, where your only options for movement are "forward" and "back"? What is this, a side-scroller video game?

    (Of course, on a serious note, I recognize that traditional Western fencing has its devoted followers, and I'm not suggesting that it should be abandoned. But variant forms can, and should, exist along the traditional forms.)

  18. Color me unimpressed by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Still much less popular than the #1 sport in France: White flag waving!

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  19. A Grave Situation by nnet · · Score: 1

    Errol Flynn is rolling over in his grave.