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Vox Lawyers Briefly Censored YouTubers Who Mocked the Verge's Bad PC Build Video (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader writes: In case you missed the latest drama to take place in the YouTube tech community, Ars Technica reports how Vox Media attempted to copyright strike two reaction videos that mocked The Verge's terrible PC build guide video that could have ruined a $2,000 system for a beginner PC builder. That effort failed when the tech community sounded the alarms; YouTube removed the copyright strikes and Vox Media had to retract their takedown notice.
From the report: "Last week, The Verge got a reminder about the power of the Streisand effect after its lawyers issued copyright takedown requests for two YouTube videos that criticized -- and heavily excerpted -- a video by The Verge. Each takedown came with a copyright 'strike.' It was a big deal for the creators of the videos, because three 'strikes' in a 90-day period are enough to get a YouTuber permanently banned from the platform. T.C. Sottek, the Verge's managing editor, blamed lawyers at the Verge's parent company, Vox Media, for the decision. 'The Verge's editorial structure was involved zero percent in the decision to issue a strike,' Sottek said in a direct message. 'Vox Media's legal team did this independently and informed us of it after the fact.' The move sparked an online backlash. Verge editor Nilay Patel (who, full disclosure, was briefly a colleague of mine at The Verge's sister publication Vox.com), says that when he learned about the decision, he asked that the strike be rescinded, leading to the videos being reinstated. Still, Patel defended the lawyers' legal reasoning, arguing that the videos 'crossed the line' into copyright infringement. It's hard to be sure if this is true since there are very few precedents in this area of the law. But the one legal precedent I was able to find suggests the opposite: that this kind of video is solidly within the bounds of copyright's fair use doctrine."
From the report: "Last week, The Verge got a reminder about the power of the Streisand effect after its lawyers issued copyright takedown requests for two YouTube videos that criticized -- and heavily excerpted -- a video by The Verge. Each takedown came with a copyright 'strike.' It was a big deal for the creators of the videos, because three 'strikes' in a 90-day period are enough to get a YouTuber permanently banned from the platform. T.C. Sottek, the Verge's managing editor, blamed lawyers at the Verge's parent company, Vox Media, for the decision. 'The Verge's editorial structure was involved zero percent in the decision to issue a strike,' Sottek said in a direct message. 'Vox Media's legal team did this independently and informed us of it after the fact.' The move sparked an online backlash. Verge editor Nilay Patel (who, full disclosure, was briefly a colleague of mine at The Verge's sister publication Vox.com), says that when he learned about the decision, he asked that the strike be rescinded, leading to the videos being reinstated. Still, Patel defended the lawyers' legal reasoning, arguing that the videos 'crossed the line' into copyright infringement. It's hard to be sure if this is true since there are very few precedents in this area of the law. But the one legal precedent I was able to find suggests the opposite: that this kind of video is solidly within the bounds of copyright's fair use doctrine."
Lawyers abused DCMA/Copyright, company initially complies, people notice it's not legit and complain, company then investigates and fixes it. The system works, that's still 99%+ uptime. Not even a bad outcome.
The only question I have now - what happens to the Vox lawyers for the BS overreach? Censure? Sanctions? Nothing?
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are well protected under Copyright Law. This is not a problem of Copyright Law. This is a problem with the Youtube 3 Strikes rule. If youtube is not going to do legal reviews of takedown notices and instead depend on crowd's intelligence that is Youtube's choice but then it should not use a 3 strikes rule on such takedown notices which have not gone through proper review.
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without lawyers
They've really destroyed their own profession at this point.
I would assume then that there's a corollary policy, where a YouTuber who gets three takedown notices rescinded in a 90-day period is also permanently banned from the platform (or at least permanently banned from issuing takedown notices)?
You're using my words and not paying *me* for them. And you're even CRITICIZING my choices and SLANDERING my good name in the process. You MISCREANT, I'll make you pay for this injustice! Just like the Tide Pod Eating Contest and the Pour Boiling Water on Yourself videos, it's not MY fault if I produce a bad outcome for you listening to me.
PEONS. Get your own life and quit interfering with my revenue stream.
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[quote] says that when he learned about the decision, he asked that the strike be rescinded, leading to the videos being reinstated.... Still, Patel defended the lawyers' legal reasoning, arguing that the videos 'crossed the line' into copyright infringement. It's hard to be sure if this is true since there are very few precedents in this area of the law.[/quote]
So basically we should thank him? GTFO. Under what dogma is this drivel from? There is plenty of legal precedent that not only was the video satire but protected in the US. What there isn't is a process for people to go after bastards like Vox and Verge that doeesn't involve paying more damned lawyers. It was intimidation and they knew it. Vox would have had their asses handed to them in court. I'm rather surprised Patel would admit it was them who made the descsion and not some automated pieces of shit "AI".
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How did this get released?
Dr. JUDE you and the shul collective FAILED at further censorship by using your CENSORBEAMS on this https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
Dr. Jude you OD'd on GOLD again! You can't eat, drink, smoke, snort or shoot it and you fail to censor it https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
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My favorite part has to be the fake anti-static bracelet, LOL!
But seriously, can I take an entire 10+ minute video, overlay my commentary, and not expect a copyright infringement notice? That does seem like a stretch. I thought that 30-seconds was the court-established precedent for fair use. Consider this: suppose that someone posted a positive commentary on a good video, and the commented version became popular. Every time someone watched the commentary version, the original publisher gets nothing. That doesn't seem fair.
In this case, the mitigating circumstance is that the original video sucked, and it really did deserve a commentary. But from a legal standpoint, posting the entire video does seem to go beyond fair use.
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Do they also own Vice? I assume all the V-named radical left channels are the same.
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So just fire all the lawyers on the legal team. You can't but the blame on somebody else and not do anything about it. If the lawyers are at fault they must be fired. All of them.
Yet again, YouTube demonstrates the sort of behavior that could never be tolerated if it weren't for having Alphabet as their sugar daddy. Say what you will about the general desire a lot of folks have to use antitrust laws to bust up Silicon Valley's darlings, but YouTube is one incredibly good argument for wielding it against Alphabet. Why? A few reasons:
1. They continue to operate at a loss.
2. Alphabet continues to tolerate their amateurish ways of dealing with ToS that pisses off folks at every turn--including gaming their premium content producers.
3. Their content regulation is a total amateur hour shit show that a for-profit company accountable to shareholders could never put up with.
4. Serious competitors struggle to gain ground because they're essentially treated as a loss leader by Google with access to Google's infrastructure and cash to subsidize them.
If they had been bought by Microsoft to join with Bing, a lot of their defenders would be railing at how Microsoft is crippling the market with that crap.
The original video is quite hilarious. He gets wrong almost everything that you can get wrong, and also some things you'd think you can't get wrong! He doesn't even know how to call things, like zip ties are "tweezers" and he calls various things (including the I/O shield) as "braces", the CPU socket a "holder" etc. The serious mistakes are applying a shitload of thermal paste *in addition* to the thermal pad the cooler had, installing the RAM in the wrong slots (non-dual channel), installing the PSU the wrong way, screwing the case radiator in without its fans...
For me the most hilarious parts are two:
- He wears some rubber band (unconnected to anything) on his arm to protect himself from static electricity (!).
- He goes on and on describing how he will use a "CPU applicator" to make it easy to "apply" the CPU, then, without saying anything, it is clear he's thrown it to the side and just drops the CPU in the socket as he should.
The second of the linked parody videos is quite funny too.
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The verge tried to claim they were the victim, and lost any remaining credibility they had.
It was a horrible how-to video. Nicely produced, but really bad, bad information. The (sic) technician installed the powersupply upside down which is downright stupid and dangerous due to overheating. He mistook the vibration insulators on the powersupply as electrical insulators explaining the the power supply should never touch the metal of the case, not realizing the screw he just attached to the mount the power supply upside down touched both the case and the powersupply.
It was bad and deserved the mocking that it received. We won't even get into how much thermal paste he used on the CPU.
US copyright law, 17 USC 512, requires service providers to terminate the accounts of a "repeat infringer." YouTube's strike system is intended to satisfy this requirement.
they were specifically created to lean towards the copyright owner's benefit because it was assumed (rightfully I would say) that if they followed current fair use laws the major copyright lobbies would just buy new, stricter laws.
What I'm saying is, don't blame YouTube. Fix your bloody corrupt government and that "money is speech" bullshit. You can start with Liz Warren's bill. Hell, go elect her or Bernie (or both maybe?) to the presidency.
As an added bonus when the Notorious RBG steps down you won't get a third pro-corporate / anti-consumer SCOTUS nominee (go look up Gorsuch and the Frat Boy's actual record, they're crazy pro-corporate).
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...first act of tyranny."
Those who doing something wrong, or know they are wrong, always try to silence those who speak out against them.
Those who are doing something right have no need to silence those who speak out against them.
Hence the Left is always the one trying to silence the Right.
And imagine if these idiots had got their way and kept the response videos down, so that nobody would know how bad their original video was?
Oh wait - I've actually watched the Verge's video and the guy building the PC is AFRICAN! Of course he's got it wrong. The average IQ of an African is 70. What could possibly go wrong if we allow tens of millions of them to force themselves into white countries?
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Right now, in several countries in Europe, people are in prison for merely questioning the Jewish 'Holocaust' story. They are in prison for proving that it was physically impossible. None of them have said 'Kill Jews' or anything like that - they have merely exposed the Jews' LIES with which they have enslaved all of Europe - because nobody dares to criticise them, no matter what they do.
This Verge video is exactly like that - they tried to silence anybody who pointed out that they didn't know what they were doing. Why would they even need to silence people, if they were in the right? The same goes for the 'Holocaust' story.
Don't believe me, question it for yourself.
Rather then Vox doing the right thing and admitting they produced a bad video of assembling a expensive gaming PC. With someone who obviously didn't know what they were doing or even bothered to do research on the subject. They preceded to try and punish the Youtuber's who called them out on it in parodies and critical reviews. I don't visit "The Verge" web site much, but remember this lame attempt at instruction for assembling a gaming rig. They deserved to be humiliated for such a video and article, especially a so called tech site who probably should have done their homework on how to exactly build it. Or at least invite a person who could advise.
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Pettling fake news is no longer profitable as VC money dries up, so the clowns are trying to PIVOT into oversaturated market of IT stuff where even a hobbist will take Vox apart.
I don't want to watch the video, can anyone tell us what was so terrible about it?
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