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President Trump Wants US To Win 5G Through Real Competition (bbc.com)

hackingbear writes: In a tweet, President Trump said he wanted "5G, and even 6G, technology in the United States as soon as possible. I want the United States to win through competition, not by blocking out currently more advanced technologies. American companies must step up their efforts, or get left behind." While he did not specifically mention China's Huawei, many interpreted the comments as Mr Trump taking a softer stance on the firm. The U.S. has been pressuring allies to block out the Chinese telecom giant from their future 5G mobile networks, but the tactic meets considerable resistance. "Mr. President. I cannot agree with you more. Our company is always ready to help build the real 5G network in the U.S., through competition," Huawei President Ken Hu replied in a tweet, mocking Trump's frequent usages of the word "real." Huawei is the second biggest holder of 5G patents after Samsung and the top contributor to the 5G standard, and is setting its sight on 6G.

129 comments

  1. Fix it in software by thegarbz · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought 5G was just a software update. This is just fake news because everyone is jealous that AT&T are the only people investing in making 5G a reality and were the first to do so.

    1. Re:Fix it in software by michelcolman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fuck everything, we're doing 7G.

    2. Re: Fix it in software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's fake 5G free how t mobile branded HSPA+ as 4G. Then they had to have 4G LTE to differentiate between the fake and real

    3. Re: Fix it in software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about 100G, faster than fiber but wireless. Oh and you only have a 250MB cap at that blinding fast speed, then you drop down to 2G and its gonna feel like dialup.

      Isn't that the real problem? Data caps are much more expensive in the US than other countries. If only our orange president had a clue...

    4. Re: Fix it in software by dougdonovan · · Score: 0

      i thought it was common knowledge that everyone knew MIT had been working on 6G for awhile now. guess not.

    5. Re: Fix it in software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fairness, LTE is not really 4G. LTE-advanced is the first true 4G technology.

    6. Re:Fix it in software by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      My G goes to 11.

    7. Re: Fix it in software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orange Man Bad!

  2. Phonetards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Oh great, phonetards are getting high-speed conduits to share their retardation even faster than usual.
    We need phone/desktop apartheid, segregate the phonetards from the enlightened desktop master race.

    1. Re: Phonetards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do you masturbate when you write this nonsense?

    2. Re: Phonetards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gonna make a noose out of an ethernet cable, throw it around your neck, and spray compressed air on you, fanboi. This is KEYBOARD country!

  3. Serving you with Confidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks, I wouldn't have known what to think without a slashdot submitter telling me that Huawei was mocking Trump.
    I will propagate this meme.

    1. Re:Serving you with Confidence by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      It was Chinese shill hackingbear did you expect any less?

  4. does this one go to 11G? by nadaou · · Score: 2
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    1. Re: does this one go to 11G? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Space force will built it! Right after the wall of course, which is a national emergency of the highest order.

    2. Re: does this one go to 11G? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many bloody Gs are there?

    3. Re:does this one go to 11G? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      First we finish the wall. And then? 8G.

  5. Stick to 3G and 4G... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And use all the money saved on patent licensing fees in cell tower rollouts so more people can get their rated 3g HSPA/4g LTE service without quotas or capping?

    1. Re:Stick to 3G and 4G... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And use all the money saved on patent licensing fees in cell tower rollouts so more people can get their rated 3g HSPA/4g LTE service without quotas or capping?

      You know it makes sense to improve delivery and availability of 4G and LTE service, so it will never happen. If we were getting at least 75% of the theoretical throughput for upload and download from 4G and LTE, maybe it would be okay to explore 5G. For some people LTE service is typically akin to dial-up MODEMs during the 1980s and 1990s.

    2. Re:Stick to 3G and 4G... by hraponssi · · Score: 1

      It makes sense to deploy 5G in very densely populated areas. Big city centers etc. Much like it makes sense to deploy high quality 4G/LTE where there is sufficient customer base etc.

  6. Real competition? Trump? by gweihir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does he even understand what that word means?

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    1. Re:Real competition? Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yes we all know what competition is. We all do it. You are competing against the USA and Donald Trump. Donald Trump is competing for the country and against China, Mexico, and Russia.

      I hope you are living in China or Mexico. If you hate the United States and Donald Trump so much you should not live there.

    2. Re:Real competition? Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He does. But as always, he's both projecting as a member of the GOP, and applying his personal, veteran conman 'meaning' to the term.
      Real Competition means a handful of corporations known for helping spread far-right talking points have been presented to him in the back-rooms as the ones considered acceptable by heavy Republican donors for implementation.
      It also refers to at least one of these having offered him personal gains or being connected to close friends or family, which thus decides which on the list he's already chosen.

      Don't be surprised if it's some thinly-veiled subsidiary of Huawei.

    3. Re:Real competition? Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      NO but he will happily slap a few more protectionist moves after saying it.

    4. Re:Real competition? Trump? by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope, he thinks it means borrowing a whole lot of money to try and crush the competition then declaring bankruptcy and not paying the contractors what you owe when you finally figure out that it's not sustainable because you're not "competing", you're "subsidizing".

      Leave other people to pay the bills and pick up the pieces.

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    5. Re:Real competition? Trump? by Livius · · Score: 0

      Does he even understand what that word means?

      Yes.

      He means something different though.

    6. Re: Real competition? Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not progressives who are at fault for the hypocrisy, corruption, and fraud of the blatantly selfish right-wing fools.

    7. Re:Real competition? Trump? by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Remember the adage of the broken clock. "Even a broken clock is right two times a day". I am by no means a Trump Supporter, I find this man to be to be the embodiment of evil, as his views and actions tend goes against everything that I have learned to be right and moral. However to stop myself from being angry and bitter all the time, I will have to ask myself what is my view on this particular issue, and how would I solve it, with the information I currently have at hand about it... And sometimes Trumps approach would match mine, So, I have to give him a point on that particular area.

      Now that said, I agree We need strong Competion in the wireless speed race, so the standard isn't controlled by the Big boys in the Room such as American Telephone and Telegraph, there is a complication with Competition and Deploying Standards, which they are often trade-offs in each design. Method 1 may have greater range but slower speed, while method 2 has a Faster Speed but less of a range, They are methods that are in the middle. Some may have smaller range and slower speed, but is more easier managed, and components for receivers are cheaper. Some methods way work better in Rural areas with less volume, while others may work better in a crowded area. With True Competition, we are not going to have 5G, but a dozen of 5G's all incompatible with each other.
      Often when standards are applied, they are rarely the best option out there, but the most balanced good enough out there.
       

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    8. Re:Real competition? Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wait, but the left loves it's tech startups that do the same thing?

    9. Re: Real competition? Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hypocrisy is when you have two different standards for the same thing.

      Chinese phone network tech OK, but Korean made cars not?

      Hell, he bitches about German branded, South Carolina made cars!

      Trump is the epitome of Republican hypocrisy.

      And I actually liked Bush Sr.

    10. Re:Real competition? Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really slashdot. A link to a google search intended to be biased is +5 informative. Would the opposite search also be +5 infomrative? Lets find out together.

      Trump thinks real competition means everyone wins.

    11. Re: Real competition? Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no the parties switched when Hitler retired to Argentina checkmate Trumpet

    12. Re:Real competition? Trump? by Joce640k · · Score: 1, Informative

      They're not doing it with taxpayer money.

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    13. Re:Real competition? Trump? by Joce640k · · Score: 0

      Maybe it wasn't the search that's informative. It's the pointing out of where the "jobs" being created by Trump are really coming from - he's buying them with tax money.

      (and taking the sort of gamble that's already lead him to six bankruptcies in the past).

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    14. Re: Real competition? Trump? by gweihir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I find it fascinating that you Trump-fanatics never have any good arguments _for_ your choices, only the usual, invalid "the others are worse".

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    15. Re: Real competition? Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could it be - maybe, just maybe - that most people who voted for President Trump did it not so much because they love Trump, but because they are against Corporate Progressive nazism? It's very obvious the nazis hate President Trump - so he must be doing something right!

    16. Re: Real competition? Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heil Hillary!

      Down with freedom! Down with the American working class! Long live the financial oligarchy!

      Heil Hillary!

    17. Re: Real competition? Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing

    18. Re: Real competition? Trump? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You mean people made a grave mistake and are now trying to push the blame for that on somebody else? Makes sense to me.

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    19. Re:Real competition? Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "big boy in the room" is Ericsson, not American Telephone and Telegraph. If you don't know that, it's unlikely that you know enough about the topic to hold up your end of the conversation.

  7. China cant invent anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    America invented 5G
    More fake news
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    1. Re:China cant invent anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American delusion. China used to be a purely copy-paste tech nation, but if you hadn't noticed, they've been producing more and more original tech over the past years. The same goes for scientific endeavors in general, where they used to just plagiarize western stuff, but over the last decade they've been publishing increasing amounts of original and solid research. China's caught up with us.

    2. Re:China cant invent anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One thing they haven't yet caught up to is your CO2 emissions. They aren't even half way yet. Just wait until the average Chinaman is as polluting as the average American.

    3. Re:China cant invent anything by quenda · · Score: 1

      American delusion. China used to be a purely copy-paste tech nation, but if you hadn't noticed, they've been producing more and more original tech over the past years.

      And before that it was Japan, who shamelessly copied western goods and sold them cheaper. Until eventually they made better cameras and cars.
      Before that it was the US, ignoring copyright and patents until they became leaders instead of followers.

      China's caught up with us.

      Meh ... getting there. A way to go yet. Taiwan and Korea are more caught up.

    4. Re:China cant invent anything by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Per country, China is #1 in Co2 emissions. Almost twice the US.
      Per capita, China is #3.

      1.5 billion chinamen can't be wrong!

    5. Re:China cant invent anything by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One commonality I have found with Trump, and Chinese culture, is the need to "Win". I found the need to Win, to be inevitably counter productive. To Win at something you have a clear single objective, you work to get that objective better or faster then someone else, then you win. However what you do to get to that objective may sabotage other objectives you may want to peruse later on.
      That kid who cheated to win the game. Is no longer invited to pay again.
      A country who has wasted all their resources to become a more powerful economy, will struggle in the future, because there are no more resources to work off of.

      While in college, they were Chinese national students, they were the test curve breakers, always getting A's on all the test, however in the practical assignments they really struggled, as they studied to pass the test, but not understand the material.
      In Work, when we have a Chinese national new hire, there always seems to be some work involved to get them to work with the rest of the team, ask questions, don't be afraid to make mistakes, but learn from them.

      The Chinese people are smart, creative and innovative. They need to recognize the flaws in their culture, to help them grow. As do Americans, as we have different traits that make us shoot ourselves in the foot. Often our Bully attitude, and often seat of the pants approaches to problems, which causes us to come up with stupid ideas, and keep going with them.

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    6. Re:China cant invent anything by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Do you have some citation for China's per capita CO2 emissions?
      While your right about all those Chinese adding up to number 1 in total, the figures I find put the US about #12 with twice the per capita emissions of China. Places like Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are top per capita producers.
      Most of what I find is a bit old, such as Wiki, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... only going to 2011 though I don't think the US has dropped much since. This, https://knoema.com/atlas/China... claims 7.45 tonnes per capita for China while the latest for the US from Wiki, says about 16 tonnes per capita for the US

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    7. Re:China cant invent anything by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Per capita countries like Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, SA kind of don't count, due to the nebulous and small population count. If 3/4 of the people there are not citizens but rather immigrants (read slave labor), the numbers might be a bit skewed.

      By country, Union of Concerned Scientists puts China at #1. https://www.ucsusa.org/global-...
      Leaving out the Araby, USA comes in #2 per capita for CO2, behind Australia, according to Wiki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    8. Re:China cant invent anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However without the need to win, you will lose and become a loser. Can't achieve anything without the will to win.

  8. That's rich. by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As though Trump would know anything about competition.

    He only won his "competition" with Russians stepping up their social engineering techniques on a gullible public, and the GOP blocking votes from being being counted in congressional races.

    1. Re:That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's competition!

      Just like marks are "citizens", respect for the rule of law is "the unhinged, violent left", lining up to apply for asylum is "illegal rapists and murderers", Nazis is "good people", and tax cuts for the top one percent are "for the middle class".

      That's GOP cant.

    2. Re:That's rich. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Still sticking with the "those dirty foreigners did this" narrative? Seriously? It wasn't foreigners who forced Hillary to ignore thr rust belt states she lost. If she had just made a couple of campaign stops, she'd be president today. But she didn't. Oh, the Democrats in those states were screaming for help, but the idea was to stick it in their faces and win without paying any attention to their needs. After all, the working class are deplorable, remember? Speak truth to the powerless!

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    3. Re:That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't even win that, more people didn't bother to vote than voted for Trump. Hillary was 3rd...thats how bad she was...

    4. Re:That's rich. by gtall · · Score: 0

      Again with the Hillary issues...you do realize the election was two years ago but you still seem intent on reliving it. Move on, come up to speed, cook with gas. "Sure my guy is a dolt, but that Hillary...whoa!!".

    5. Re: That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, she didn't say the working class are deplorables. She said half of Trump's supporters are deplorables. And she's been proven right. They continue to support him, no matter how much he exploits his position for his own family's gain. No matter how many racist attacks he makes against minorities. And when asked to defend his actions they just say "but it pisses Democrats off". Those right there are the irredeemable deplorables she was exactly talking about. There is no point at which they will say enough is enough (except maybe for when he finally does something that directly affects then in a negative way, even if it was something they knew he promised)

    6. Re: That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll have the last laugh. The working class has its days numbered. Automation and outsourcing will soon spell the end of this backwards, ugly rabble. Our ideals are beauty, internationalism, intellectualism: in our future world there can not, and there will not be any place for those inferiors.

    7. Re:That's rich. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Again with the Hillary issues...you do realize the election was two years ago

      Yep.

      So, do YOU realize that what you're responding to was responding to someone who brought up the election. You know, the one where Trump and Hillary were running against each other?

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    8. Re: That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How else are elections won? On the candidates merits??
      Don't hate the player, hate the game.

    9. Re:That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again with the Hillary issues...you do realize the election was two years ago but you still seem intent on reliving it. Move on, come up to speed, cook with gas. "Sure my guy is a dolt, but that Hillary...whoa!!".

      Saying the election is over is just a tool in the toolkit to dismiss complaints without addressing them. We are still living with the result of that election, and it won't go away any time soon. It takes a lot of effort to clean up after a fucking traitorous moron.

      Damages have been somewhat limited by his stupidity, but the real heroes are the day to day government workers that have, by doing their jobs correctly, limited some of the worst of it. Either way, he still is in power. His war on truth, decency, our alliances, the environment, and all the rest is still being fought. For myself, it certainly is not over.

    10. Re:That's rich. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Again with the Hillary issues...you do realize the election was two years ago but you still seem intent on reliving it. Move on, come up to speed, cook with gas. "Sure my guy is a dolt, but that Hillary...whoa!!".

      Hey - they are still pissed off about Franklin D Roosevelt. So my guess is they'll be able to to raise their blood pressure about ol' Hellery for another 50 years or so.

      It's just what they do as opposed to solutions.

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    11. Re: That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      > you do realize the election was two years ago

      Democrats, who know full well Trump is not some Russian, continue to bring up the 2016 election in case it sticks. You can't meaningfully point to someome answering those claims with this shit, you ahould know this.

    12. Re:That's rich. by markass530 · · Score: 1

      still sticking with whataboutism there ruskie

    13. Re:That's rich. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      The topic is the "blame the dirty foreigners" narrative, which is always bullshit. You can tell it's bullshit because people blame the foreigners for their own faults.

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    14. Re:That's rich. by TomBauserman · · Score: 1

      Longer than 20 years. Since Reagan, we were signing peace treaties while arming Afghanistan against the Russians. We were arming and training death squads in El Salvador starting in 1980, then we used the contra guerillas to attack the sandinistas. We've been sticking our nose where it doesn't belong for a long time. It's all about the $$$.

    15. Re: That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah "but it pisses democrats off"...

      No one says this. Just like your fake bullshit trump supporter attack in chicago "MAGA COUNTRY".... lol no one fucking says that. You tards are so off the reservation it's as stunning as it is hilarious.

    16. Re:That's rich. by hey! · · Score: 1

      More to the point, misunderstanding competition is how the US ended up lagging the rest of the developed world in mobile technology.

      The first GSM specification was produced in 1987. Rather than get behind that the Reagan and later George HW Bush administration decided that government shouldn't be involved in standardization of telecom technology, that competition would select the best standard.

      In fact what happened was that carriers selected a number of incompatible 2G technologies that were roughly equivalent in their capabilities: GSD, CDMA-200, D-AMPS, iDEN. Rather than focusing exclusively on building out their networks, carriers preferred to *lock in* customers, often charging exorbitant fees for things like getting pictures out of your phone's camera.

      *Competing standards* helped shield carriers from *economic competition* based on price and quality of service.

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    17. Re: That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is a fair amount of personal outrage to unsubstantiated comment that then draws an assumption on posterâ(TM)s support of what has occurred in Chicago and makes an unsubstantiated claim regarding that support. Youâ(TM)ve proven his point by overreacting.

    18. Re:That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally Obama signed deals to make Mexican Telecos billions by giving crappy phones to poor people.

      Hey! Homeless Hobo's for Global Warming are very happy that Obama gave us those crappy phones. Finally, we can get on these Interwebs to look at pictures of all the proper people taking a nice warm golden shower while we're out here shivering in the rain. Thanks taxpayers!

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    19. Re: That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah "but it pisses democrats off"...

      No one says this.

      Apparently you've never heard of rolling coal.

    20. Re:That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6 more years of your trump derangment.

    21. Re: That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Donald trump is the legitimate fairly elected president of the United States. I just have my doubts that he's not also a Russian double agent given he believes Putin over his own intelligence agents.

    22. Re:That's rich. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "He only won his "competition" with Russians stepping up their social engineering techniques on a gullible public, and the GOP blocking votes from being being counted in congressional races."

      Don't forget the opposing party's subversion of the democratic process, in spite of having democracy in their name. There was plenty of fuckery on both sides.

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    23. Re:That's rich. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Hillary and bubba were both solidly behind war in Iraq. One of the things that Trump supporters believed, erroneously of course, was that Trump would avoid needless wars. They believed it because he broke from the pack and actually called out specific politicians for that behavior, the Clintons among them. Of course, that was a lot of crap. I criticized Obama for drone strikes... Which have increased under Trump. And we're still in Iraq. And anyone who believed that he'd back off from those policies is a tool.

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    24. Re:That's rich. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Hillary and bubba were both solidly behind war in Iraq.

      I was listening to some revisionist history this morning. Trying to claim that Dubya got bad intel that made him decide to go into Iraq. Funny, as I recall at the time that the Intel community was pissed because he ignored their input, just like the pre 9-11 input was ignored.

      One of the things that Trump supporters believed, erroneously of course, was that Trump would avoid needless wars. They believed it because he broke from the pack and actually called out specific politicians for that behavior, the Clintons among them. Of course, that was a lot of crap. I criticized Obama for drone strikes... Which have increased under Trump. And we're still in Iraq. And anyone who believed that he'd back off from those policies is a tool.

      One of the issues we are now facing is that we have been at war, and spending a lot of money since 2002. Which sounds remarkably like one of the things that helped break the old Soviet Union up. No country can engage in endless warfare without bankrupting itself, and if anything real comes up, we are well and truly screwed.

      As to his supporters, it has become clear over time, that they were just handing a big "Fuck You!!!" to the establishment. Problem was, they elected a person who exemplified the worst part of the establishment, coupled with a remarkable lack of insight other than what lines his pockets. Meanwhile, the farmers around here who haven't even harvested the soybeans that are rotting in the field have taken down their Trump-Pence MAGA signs. Seems that their man believes that tariff wars are easy to win, and I guess rotting soybeans are just a sign of winning.

      But the 1960's trailers with all the washers, dryers, and cars sitting in the yard still have their signs up. Maybe it serves as a windbreak.

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    25. Re:That's rich. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      One of the issues we are now facing is that we have been at war, and spending a lot of money since 2002.

      We've been at war in Iraq since when, the sixties?

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    26. Re:That's rich. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      One of the issues we are now facing is that we have been at war, and spending a lot of money since 2002.

      We've been at war in Iraq since when, the sixties?

      But we weren't sucking the treasury dry. The family bitchfight that was the Dubya war, was pointless. Halliburton did well though.

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    27. Re:That's rich. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      We've been at war in Iraq since when, the sixties?

      But we weren't sucking the treasury dry.

      We didn't get here without going through there.

      The family bitchfight that was the Dubya war, was pointless.

      Every president for decades has bombed the shit out of Iraq. This is not about a "family bitchfight". This is about American imperialism. Reagan. Bush. Clinton. Bush. Obama. Trump. What do they all have in common? Military policy in the middle east.

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    28. Re: That's rich. by Paul+Carver · · Score: 1

      No, she didn't say the working class are deplorables. She said half of Trump's supporters are deplorables. And she's been proven right. They continue to support him

      Wait, you're telling me that insulting people didn't cause them to join your side?

      I think Trump is an idiot, but if you think calling people "deplorable" is a viable strategy for converting them to your point of view then you're dumber than he is. Of course trump's supporters haven't abandoned him to join up with the people who expressed contempt for them.

    29. Re:That's rich. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      We've been at war in Iraq since when, the sixties?

      But we weren't sucking the treasury dry.

      We didn't get here without going through there.

      The family bitchfight that was the Dubya war, was pointless.

      Every president for decades has bombed the shit out of Iraq. This is not about a "family bitchfight". This is about American imperialism. Reagan. Bush. Clinton. Bush. Obama. Trump. What do they all have in common? Military policy in the middle east.

      We'll just have to agree to disagree about the bitchfight https://www.washingtonpost.com...

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    30. Re:That's rich. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Every president for decades has bombed the shit out of Iraq. This is not about a "family bitchfight". This is about American imperialism.

      We'll just have to agree to disagree about the bitchfight

      I read your link. That was a pretext, nothing more, and bombing Iraq again was simply a continuation of prior U.S. foreign policy on Iraq. I am often resistant to video citations, but I really cannot recommend highly enough that you take the time to watch the above video. It seems long, but it is actually jam-packed with relevant information, provided in a straightforward fashion. It specifically names the individuals responsible on both sides of the aisle, and does not pull punches.

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    31. Re:That's rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've been at war since the 1600s, or more correctly, since the singularity, but that's not important. All this fighting, and we still have lousy phone service.

  9. Setting the bar too low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    5G is so passe and actually exists. 6G is obviously where the competition is heading next. We need 7G before anyone else. Hell let's set the bar high: 8G.

  10. I'm waiting for 11G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm waiting for 11G... 10G will be the first double-digit standard and will thus be buggy. 11G will have the wrinkles out. Anything less is just kiddie stuff.

    1. Re:I'm waiting for 11G by Sique · · Score: 1

      For now, you can use 802.11g. The 802 are extra.

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  11. THIS is Why Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you Hillalosery child rapiers devil worship bitches can suck a dick.

    In Trump We Trust. Fake News Gonna Burn In Hell.

  12. GODDAMN GO FOR 7G! BALLS. TO. THE. WALL. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck the 5 and 6. Lucky 7G! for the win!

  13. Huawei? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    A real competition where he picks who gets to play is not a real competition.

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  14. American Companies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What American companies? They all got sold because American's can't figure out how to run a business.... kind of the Trump way of life I guess.

    1. Re:American Companies? by AHuxley · · Score: 0

      The US has options.
      No need to surrender to Communism.
      Look to Finland and Swedish equipment makers.
      Consider what Poland is doing.
      Go consortium and state-owned.
      Keep Taiwan free and look at who Taiwan is using for 5G.
      Lots of ways not to support Communism and find a new tech alliance.

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  15. If unreal competition fails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you have to try with real competition.

  16. Thatâ(TM)s right! But... by Petersko · · Score: 1

    You canâ(TM)t tell the useful idiots that theyâ(TM)re idiots if you need them. And she needed some of them.

    She couldnâ(TM)t smile and nod, and let these people believe theyâ(TM)re important. She was a terrible candidate.

    1. Re:Thatâ(TM)s right! But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that she didn't need them. In fact...the people she was referring to were the people she never had a shot at getting anyway. They would burn the country down if it would spite the democrats.

      The problem was that the people she wasn't insulting were still too stupid to realize they weren't being insulted. She said half of them were deplorables, but apparently that other half was too dumb to know what "half" means because they went around acting like she called all trump supporters deplorables. Either that, or they self-identified themselves as being among the least enlightened half of the Trump supporter, which I suppose would also be just as telling as if they didn't know what "half" meant.

    2. Re: Thatâ(TM)s right! But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you walk into a room and declare "half of you people are idiots," then all the people are going to feel insulted. Except for a few arrogant sycophants who will smile while they nod in agreement.

    3. Re: Thatâ(TM)s right! But... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I walk into a room with only one other person in it and declare that half the room are idiots. And the other guy agrees with me!

  17. Irresponsible lying propaganda summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "mocking Trump's frequent usages of the word "real."

    Does anyone in their right mind believe the president of Huawei was somehow "mocking" president Trump's apparent overture to free trade? That has to be the stupidest most lying propagandist comment I have ever read.

    If anything Huawei's president was insinuating that because Huawei holds the most 5G patents that it was in the best position to build "real" 5G networks. Not everything is about making Trump look bad.

    These are serious geopolitical and world trade issues that the world's number 1 economy (China) and the US are trying to work out for mutual benefit.

    Getting in a jab at president Trump, especially a false one that if misinterpreted could sour relations and eventually lead to war if the war hawks prevail in their insane quest to kill us all... is irresponsible.

    1. Re:Irresponsible lying propaganda summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The world's number 1 economy, by far, is the USA, not China. China's per capita income is at 3rd world levels. You're a sucker for propaganda, aren't you?

  18. He wants real comepetiton? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So he is going to ask the Russian to stop fixing American elections when he tries for a second term?

  19. I'll give you competition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    4 years ago we got on a contract with AT&T for 10mbps fiber at 3 locations.

    They oversold the product and couldn't give us SIP Trunks for older POTS PBX's. Literally told the rep "sell me a phone system, give me a number", he didn't want to. Not that it wasn't time to change them out but hey. Found an ISP who could who snagged the business.

    Doing the work to get us right with them before going to another vendor, I discovered our project manager was out in the phillipines, and they were sending CCNA certified contractors (really just kids) to do wiring jobs because union labor was just too expensive. I got 9, Cisco 10,000 series routers, $10k a pop, shipped to me because the order got re-entered several times. After we moved to a new ISP it took them a full year for the "asset recovey team" to give me a call and send labels. There's a reason nobody likes doing business with AT&T or any of the large carriers; they don't care because they don't have to.

    Right now we're working against a telecom oligopoly that needs to be broken up; Huawei are a bunch of bastards just like any US corporation with the distinct difference being that US Corps know not to taunt ant government openly. Do that first.

    Also, really great idea. If your company is caught shipping devices that have backdoors for your governement in them into the US for the purpose of engaging in espionage, not only do your products get banned from being imported into the US permanently, but your companies patents get invalided as well and the tech goes public. We need to learn not to engage in warfare via economics and that's the only way how, make the cost of doing that astronomically high.

  20. 6G=X-Rays and Gamma Rays? by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

    I wonder what 6G and 7G are. X-Rays and Gamma rays so everyone can get cancer?

    1. Re:6G=X-Rays and Gamma Rays? by niftydude · · Score: 1

      No. We're still pretty far away from that. 6G is supposed to head towards the terahertz regime: https://www.networkworld.com/a...

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  21. icon update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    those pick-pockets should really rename their "5e" to "5real".

  22. The real news here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that someone here called him "President Trump" instead of just Trump!

  23. Trump said he wants 6G deployed Now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump said he wants to go to 6G now. He is clueless.
    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/02/trump-demands-quick-rollout-of-6g-wireless-tech-which-doesnt-exist/

  24. 5G==Mesh network by ElitistWhiner · · Score: 1

    SO 6G==?????

    Optical?

    1. Re:5G==Mesh network by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Laser beams! going all pew pew!

  25. Really REAL COMPETITION ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, block / kill / destroy any outside border competition, not because cheap and superior performance, but because they are EVIL.
    Second, I think my right arm is the viner, it has more muscles.

  26. Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't trust the Chinese because of possible hidden agendas.

    I don't trust Donald Trump because he is stupid.

  27. Trump also wants the cloud stuff, and all the G's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love it when art imitates life that then imitates art! Skip to around 1:20 for all the g's

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ntPxdWAWq8

  28. Why no talk of 7G? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How short sighted, to completely overlook 7G.

  29. Why not 10G? by h4x0t · · Score: 1

    Or 100G for that matter? This guy really has no clue, clearly.

    1. Re:Why not 10G? by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Trump may not know jack about shit, but he knows that six is more than five, and he knows more is better. Does anyone not believe that there will be a 6G, or that cellular hardware makers aren't already imagining what that will be? The real issue is that he doesn't want real competition. He just wants to win, and doesn't care how, or what it costs. He's never cared about those things before, why start now?

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  30. ...while FTC is suing the American company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny when you read this "American companies must step up" while the FTC is suing Qualcomm.

    Glad I got out of this business: everybody wants the technology, but nobody wants to pay for its development, and then allow companies, some foreign others domestic, who stole the technology to "compete" with those who actually developed it.

    "I found the enemy, the enemy is us", as the old line goes.

  31. hack (yellow) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump could have real competition if poor people were allowed to raise capital without giving a million dollars to lawyers. But this is opposed by the rich and communists, who control the economy and government, so Trump will do what they tell him.

  32. Probably not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While Trump is not good at hiding his lack of scientific and technical knowledge, most Congressmen don't know much about science either. Bill Nelson, and maybe Richard Shelby, were probably the only people in the USA Senate whom knew something about Rocket Science.

  33. Why stop there? by hey! · · Score: 1

    Why not go to 7G or even 8G?

    There's plenty positive integers left.

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    1. Re:Why stop there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not 9G though?

    2. Re:Why stop there? by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Because people start to black out at that point.

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    3. Re:Why stop there? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      6.4G ought to be enough for anybody.

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  34. Resident Chump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure that's the proper spelling

  35. We'll have 6G next year! by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    Since some telecoms are slapping 5G on their 4G LTE networks this year they might as well complete the farce and slap on 6G tags next year!

  36. Competition by spinitch · · Score: 1

    So is T-mint on or off? Arguable more competitors better except the top two have extensive size advantages. As explain by others, likewise for standards. Then there is Huawei , from one perspective they help competition but given their state backing, is it in interests of democracies to cede so much power ? Multiple vendors are usually good for competition and spreading risk. Keep debating since important like democracies despite their flaws, the alternative so far worse.

  37. There are no American companies anymore... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can someone tell Trump that there are no American telecom suppliers.

  38. Did you reply to the wrong post? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You didn't say anything related to the post you replied to. The average American produces over twice the CO2 as the average Chinaman.

    Per country just shows how clueless and trolling you are. Not as good as the initial troll that got you to bite though.

    Per capita, China is #3.

    Oh sorry I didn't realise you are just WindBourne lying again...nevermind...

  39. How many slaves does that mean the US has? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By country, of course a country over 4 times as populous will produce more CO2. But they don't make 4 times as much do they...So they must be cleaner.

    If you think per country is useful, how will you drop your 5000 down to say Canada's 550?

    Or is America doing OK and the goal for each country should be to increase their CO2 up to 5000, and only China needs to drop?

    You per country people make me laugh.