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Scientists Release Controversial Genetically Modified Mosquitoes In High-Security Lab (npr.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from NPR: Scientists have launched a major new phase in the testing of a controversial genetically modified organism: a mosquito designed to quickly spread a genetic mutation lethal to its own species, NPR has learned. For the first time, researchers have begun large-scale releases of the engineered insects, into a high-security laboratory in Terni, Italy. The goal is to see if the mosquitoes could eventually provide a powerful new weapon to help eradicate malaria in Africa, where most cases occur. The lab was specially built to evaluate the modified insects in as close to a natural environment as possible without the risk of releasing them into the wild, about which there are deep concerns regarding unforeseen effects on the environment.

To prevent any unforeseen effects on the environment, scientists have always tried to keep genetically engineered organisms from spreading their mutations. But in this case, researchers want the modification to spread. So they engineered mosquitoes with a "gene drive." A gene drive is like a "selfish gene," says entomologist Ruth Mueller, because it doesn't follow the normal rules of genetics. Normally, traits are passed to only half of all offspring. With the gene drive, nearly all the progeny inherit the modification. Researchers created the mosquitoes by using the powerful new gene-editing technique known as CRISPR, which Mueller likens to a "molecular scissor which can cut at a specific site in the DNA." The cut altered a gene known as "doublesex," which is involved in the sexual development of the mosquitoes. While genetically female, the transformed insects have mouths that resemble male mosquito mouths. That means they can't bite and so can't spread the malaria parasite. In addition, the insects' reproductive organs are deformed, which means they can't lay eggs. As more and more female mosquitoes inherit two copies of the modification, more and more become sterile.
Critics fear that these gene-drive mosquitoes could run amok and wreak havoc in the wild. Not only could the insects cause a negative effect on crops by eliminating important pollinators, but the insects' population crash could also lead to other mosquitos coming with other diseases.

Mueller assures NPR's Rob Stein that the lab the mosquitos are in is very secure, adding that even if the mosquitos did escape they would not be able to survive Italy's climate. "To enter the most secure part of the facility, Mueller punches a security code into a keypad to open a sliding glass door," reports NPR. "As the door seals, a powerful blower makes sure none of the genetically modified mosquitoes inside escape. Anyone entering must don white lab coats to make it easier to spot any mosquitoes that might try to hitch a ride out of the lab and must pass through a second sealed door and blower."

184 comments

  1. A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a delicate balance we're playing with. While mosquitoes are dangerous for spreading disease, they are also food sources for other critters. I fear going down this road is going to result in more destruction, which the engineers here may not have anticipated. Alas.

    1. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Itâ(TM)s almost like you didnâ(TM)t even bother to read the summary where they specifically identified such risks and hence have them in a secure controlled area

    2. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mosquitos have no problem at all living in Venice in August, from personal experience. "Italy's climate" ha!

    3. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will be when the profit-driven Monsanto's of the world starting releasing genetically engineered creatures that we should be afraid, then it will be too late. This event is the top of the slippery slope.

    4. Re: A delicate balance by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They are tropical mosquitoes. They can't survive outdoors in Italy in February. They also can't interbreed with Italian mosquitoes.

      Killing Anopheles (malaria) and Aedes aegypti (yellow fever, dengue, zika) will have little environmental repercussions because other non-vector mosquitoes can fill the same niche. Furthermore, these species are invasive species in many areas, displacing native mosquitoes. So exterminating them can help to restore the natural balance. Many islands, including Hawaii, have no native mosquito species.

    5. Re:A delicate balance by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Only about 200 of the 3,500 species of mosquitoes even bite man, and of those there are 5 species that spread disease. The ecosystem will do just fine.

    6. Re: A delicate balance by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They are tropical mosquitoes. They can't survive outdoors in Italy in February.

      Those of us who are older might remember similar claims being made about Africanized Honeybees - yes they were wreaking havoc in South America, but they’d never make it past Panama because they couldn’t survive the climate. And they’d never, EVER make it to the US...

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    7. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again. Idiot did not read summary. Posts anyway.

      Try again. You are an idiot.

    8. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear AC Dipshit:
      Way too late. We've been introducing genetically-engineered organisms into the wild to control undesirable populations since the 1800s. The only difference is the "genetic engineering" up until now has been eugenics, not a precise single-gene modification.

      Second.. RTFA. Most of the research funding has come from nonprofit groups, like the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, that have an interest in helping people. Monsanto (which, btw, ceased to exist last year) would have preferred you continued buying insecticide foggers.

      Final point... GMO corn designed by Monsanto 25 years ago to resist drought conditions could have ended the famine in subsaharan Africa in about 3 years. But people are still starving to death every day thanks to ignorant assclowns like you. "Erma gerd, Monsanto is like, so evil. Gee em ohs, like, should be banned and stuff! Let's protest.. after, y'know, we do another bong hit."

    9. Re: A delicate balance by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Informative

      Those of us who are older might remember similar claims being made about Africanized Honeybees

      I am old enough to remember the "killer bee" hysteria. It was a media phenomena, that had little to do with "science".

      And they’d never, EVER make it to the US...

      That is not at all what I remember. The media reports were that killer bees were unstoppable and were going to destroy western civilization.

      What the scientists were saying is that hybrid bees would likely reach the US around 1990 (accurate) and that it would be no big deal (also accurate).

      How many of your friends and neighbors have been victims of "killer bees"?

      About 100 Americans die annually from bee stings, mostly due to allergic reactions. Since 1990, that number has gone down.

    10. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess they haven't seen Jurassic Park?

    11. Re: A delicate balance by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      Sure but there isn't much point to any of it if they don't intend to release them sooner or later. Then again, might be worth the risk. They should try Texas.

    12. Re: A delicate balance by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      "and that it would be no big deal (also accurate)."

      Actually that isn't accurate. Overhyped, sure. The damage is much slower but rates of Africanization grow and beekeepers are regularly having hives go African and also are regularly having issue with wild swarms which they could normally safely vacuum up and gain a free new colony being aggressive africanized bees. It may well be that africanized bees are slowly but surely replacing honeybees.

    13. Re: A delicate balance by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      Corn doesn't contain any notable nutrients so how exactly is it supposed to end a famine?

    14. Re:A delicate balance by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      Species die out all the time due to our actions and without us it isn't like the ones which bother us are somehow the magical lynchpins of life and the thousands of random species wiped out every day are insignificant. If you eliminate the biting mosquitoes there probably will be effects we don't anticipate. Just because there is change doesn't mean its all going to end.

    15. Re: A delicate balance by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      It may well be that africanized bees are slowly but surely replacing honeybees.

      The "killer" bees are honeybees. African-European hybrid honeybees are replacing European honeybees. Neither is a native species in North America.

      Since the new arrivals are more active, the biggest effect has been increased honey production.

    16. Re: A delicate balance by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Corn doesn't contain any notable nutrients so how exactly is it supposed to end a famine?

      Corn/maize is a good source of many minerals and micronutrients, and even contains reasonable amounts of protein, although it is deficient in lysine. Famine victims can't survive indefinitely on a 100% corn diet, but it has plenty of calories, and when combined with pulses (beans and peas) or supplemented with meat, fish, eggs, or dairy, it is nutritious.

      There is more than one type of famine. Kwashiorkor is a type of starvation resulting from a lack of nutrients and protein deficiency, even if calories are adequate. Marasmus is starvation caused by lack of calories. Corn/maize can relieve either.

    17. Re: A delicate balance by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      To be fair, western civilization does seem to be coughing up blood at the moment. I'm all for blaming the bees.

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    18. Re:A delicate balance by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 1

      What could possibly go wrong...

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    19. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's certainly better than what starving people usually have - nothing.

    20. Re: A delicate balance by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Corn/maize is a good source of many minerals and micronutrients, and even contains reasonable amounts of protein, although it is deficient in lysine. Famine victims can't survive indefinitely on a 100% corn diet, but it has plenty of calories, and when combined with pulses (beans and peas) or supplemented with meat, fish, eggs, or dairy, it is nutritious.

      And then there's masa, which is substantially more nutritious than unprocessed corn.

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    21. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have but they did not get it.

      Except the part about the scum sucking lawyer.

    22. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how the same people who believe markets are so complex that the government can't possibly introduce a regulation without unintended consequences are so lackadaisical about wiping entire species from the planet without even feeling a little bit stupid.

    23. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No nutrients in corn? Cows beg to disagree. Pass the T-bone ... please ....

    24. Re:A delicate balance by vovin · · Score: 2

      Mosquitoes are *not* a required part of the food web. If all mosquitoes went extinct today there would be no impact at all on the food web.

    25. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more concerning that fuckwits like you might be breeding.

    26. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at the Monsanto shill, playing stupid semantic games. Trying to fool people into falsely believing there is no difference between selective breeding and today's transgenic frankenstein technology.

      How much do they pay you, broham, for selling out your whole species?

    27. Re: A delicate balance by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      Yeah, totally. Here's a new slogan for you:

      Anthropogenic mass extinction - what could possibly go wrong??!!

    28. Re:A delicate balance by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Well, less animals being infected with disease might actually effect some populations.

      Anybody know offhand what percent of lion kills are infected with a disease transmissible by mosquito?

    29. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ecological balance is a myth. This was already realized by biologists back in the 80s.

    30. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody cares about the nasty shit your cousin brought you when he ran across the border!

    31. Re: A delicate balance by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      "and when combined with pulses (beans and peas) or supplemented with meat, fish, eggs, or dairy, it is nutritious."

      Then again those things, not supplemented by corn are also nutritious.

    32. Re: A delicate balance by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Parts of Mexico and the US Southwest aren't so different from parts of Africa. I can't imagine why anybody would think those bees would have trouble.

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  2. DDT works too by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

    but birds are apparently more important than people. I suspect any other animals this effects will end up more important than people as well.

    1. Re:DDT works too by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      For many on the envirowhacko side, humans are the only non-natural animal on the planet.

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    2. Re:DDT works too by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      The sentence that jumped out at me in the article was:

      "quickly spread a genetic mutation lethal to its own species"

      How long do you think it will be before one gets made with our number on it, intentionally, or not?

      This is like twirling a loaded handgun by the trigger guard, and the ecoweenie response is basic gun safety. Terminator genes are not something to be fucking with.... especially on a creature that you are trying to kill BECAUSE it flies around and carries disease to humans.

      JFC. Are we really that dumb as a species?

    3. Re:DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > humans are the only non-natural animal on the planet.

      I'm not sure what side you're coming with this from. At face value it doesn't even make sense. Where did we come from, then? Or are you referring to some supernatural deity (if that's your thing...)?

    4. Re:DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we could kill mosquitos and your retarded insect-intellect ass at the same time I'd say go for it.

    5. Re:DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DDT is harmful to people too. It's present in your bloodstream as we speak, since its biological half-life is so long and humans are apex predators. It disrupts the endocrine system and is a likely carcinogen. But don't let facts get in the way of your delusion.

    6. Re:DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long do you think it will be before one gets made with our number on it, intentionally, or not?

      It isn't like this could jump from mosquitoes to humans, so I'm not sure what the fuck you think might happen. If your concern is that something similar might be created to affect humans in the same way, well this research isn't likely to change that possibly in any significant regard, so that certainly isn't a reason not to go ahead with it.

      And if somehow something like this was created to affect humans, well we breed a lot slower than mosquitoes, which would give us lots of time to create a remedy.

      This is like twirling a loaded handgun by the trigger guard, and the ecoweenie response is basic gun safety. Terminator genes are not something to be fucking with.... especially on a creature that you are trying to kill BECAUSE it flies around and carries disease to humans.

      This just demonstrates you haven't a fucking clue what you are on about, and your reading comprehension sucks. These engineered mosquitoes can't carry disease to humans, because they have been engineered to not be able to bite humans. Your analogy just doesn't work.

    7. Re:DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you know... the predatory birds harmed by DDT help keep smaller seed eating birds in check which otherwise wipe out human food crops.

      But yeah, its totally that birds are more important people.

    8. Re:DDT works too by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Yes, a terrorist could aim tech like this not at man directly but at species that are critical to us, like wheat. But our recusing from GMO technology does nothing to prevent bad guys from misusing it. All it would do is prevent us from defending ourselves.

    9. Re:DDT works too by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      CRISPR-Cas9 is not a human invention. It was a discovery of something that already exists in nature.

      If it was going to wipe out humans, it would have done so long ago.

      But just for laughs, let's hypothesize that it jumps to a human. Then that human has two kids. Those kids grow up, and each has two more. Then the grandchildren do the same. So assuming 30 years per generation, after a century we have 8 people infected. Maybe by 2119 we can deal with 8 semi-sterile people (able to have sons but not daughters).

    10. Re:DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it that humans are not a natural animal on this planet? We share most of our DNA with everything else on the planet. We're subject to the same laws of nature that everything else on the planet does. The only thing setting us apart is that we've been the most successful animal on the planet BUT that can change. If we are not in balance with the rest of life on the planet then the natural world will impose a new balance on us. It may mean putting the world through another extinction event to kill us off but that will not extinguish all life on the planet and life will go on. Maybe without us, maybe with a much pruned number of us, but we will eventually be held in check while the rest of life about us adjusts to a new balance.

    11. Re: DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well we're the only animals that have eliminated the vast majority of the rest. Seems pretty unnatural to me.

    12. Re:DDT works too by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      How is it that humans are not a natural animal on this planet?

      If I type "define:natural" into Google, the first definition is "not made or caused by humankind".

      We're subject to the same laws of nature that everything else on the planet does.

      No we aren't. For instance, a gene drive would not work on humans, because we have the intellect to understand what is happening and counteract it. No other species can do that.

      the natural world will impose a new balance on us. It may mean putting the world through another extinction event to kill us off

      There is no evidence that the "natural world" has the will and directed purpose that you seem to be ascribing to it.

    13. Re:DDT works too by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      "And if somehow something like this was created to affect humans, well we breed a lot slower than mosquitoes, which would give us lots of time to create a remedy."

      In fairness, it would also take a hell of a lot longer to figure out it was happening.

    14. Re:DDT works too by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      "If it was going to wipe out humans, it would have done so long ago."

      It wasn't in the hands of humans with an interest in wiping out other humans long ago.

    15. Re:DDT works too by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      It wasn't in the hands of humans with an interest in wiping out other humans long ago.

      Italians are not as evil as you think they are, and without a time machine they are not going to be able to wipe out other humans long ago.

    16. Re:DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, OP is a grade A dumb fuck.

    17. Re:DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You disappoint me.
      The first google result from "define:natural" is not what you said. It is this:
      "existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind."

    18. Re: DDT works too by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      Many of us would argue that pumping almighty fucktons of little-understood exotic poisons into the environment is the "whacko" thing to do.

      Real conservatives like to _conserve_ the environment. The religious folks call it "stewardship" and it's a damned good idea.

    19. Re: DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off, Monsanto shill. How much do they pay you to be a traitor to your own species?

    20. Re: DDT works too by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      "How long do you think it will be before one gets made with our number on it, intentionally, or not?"

      I have no doubt that as we speak fine mad scientists, at Monsanto and elsewhere, are hard at work on this pressing issue.

    21. Re: DDT works too by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      "CRISPR-Cas9 is not a human invention."

      More stupid semantic games.

    22. Re:DDT works too by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Don't underestimate the danger of Otzi the Iceman cultists seeking revenge.

    23. Re: DDT works too by superposed · · Score: 2

      How long do you think it will be before one gets made with our number on it, intentionally, or not?

      Thatâ(TM)s not possible for humans. This works by releasing males with a special mutation (gene drive). Whenever they mate, they will produce offspring with the same mutation even if the mother doesnâ(TM)t carry it. If the offspring are male, they will pass it further down the line. If female, they will be unable to bite or reproduce.

      So with each generation, the mutation spreads in the population - any mosquito descended from any of the released ones will have it. After enough generations, every mosquito will have it, because they will have a mutated mosquito somewhere in their family tree. Then they will go extinct. Unless of course someone gets a new mutation that counters this, and then that line survives and takes over instead...

      It would be hard to do this with humans because you would need to create and release a bunch of mutants who could produce viable male offspring but unviable female (or vice versa). Thatâ(TM)s hard enough to do without being discovered and stopped, but then youâ(TM)d have to wait enough generations for the mutation to spread through the whole gene pool - maybe 27 if you started with an initial population of 100 and doubled each generation. Meanwhile people would be freaking out and demanding genetic tests before having kids, which would probably shit the mutants out of the gene pool pretty quickly.

    24. Re: DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest you read up the mass extinction event when some microbes first started to photosynthesize oxygen into the atmosphere Lifeforms on Earth were Anaerobic before that and most got killed by oxygen. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxygenation_Event).

      While I'm for environment conservation, I feel that the Mother Nature vs Humans narrative which many seem to adopt is not useful for Environmentalism.

    25. Re: DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you're probably correct about the poison thing, it isnt all bad. It probably did have a small effect on the real problem, unchecked human population growth.

    26. Re:DDT works too by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      No, to use something like DDT effectively you have to pretend it is an antibiotic and leave vulnerable reserves or they'll all get resistant. A gene drive is a much 'cleaner' way to extirpate an invasive mosquito species.

    27. Re: DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Maybe by 2119 we can deal with 8 semi-sterile people (able to have sons but not daughters)."

      And maybe nobody would notice at all until it was very, very, very far beyond that number. And maybe it would take quite some time before anybody realized that something unusual was occurring. And maybe it would take more time to get the correct people involved. And maybe it would take even more time to find a "cure" if oa cure is even possible. And maybe it might affect your family. And maybe it won't.

      See how "maybe" works?

    28. Re: DDT works too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "then youÃ(TM)d have to wait enough generations for the mutation to spread through the whole gene pool - maybe 27 if you started with an initial population of 100 and doubled each generation."

      No, I'm just going to infect the entire population to make them 100% sterile. I will do this with mosquitos, other insects, and food sources.

      -signed-

      MaD ScIEnTiSt

    29. Re:DDT works too by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      CRISPR is not just in the hands of Italians.

  3. Hollywood Blockbuster in the making by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Yes, I'm sure the lab is "very secure".

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    1. Re:Hollywood Blockbuster in the making by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      If Hollywood makes a movie about this, that will kill the research. No politician will allow something to continue once it has been "proven" to be recklessly dangerous by a movie.

      Hollywood:
      AGW: Listen to the scientists. They know best.
      GMO: Scientists are arrogant liars. Don't trust them.

    2. Re:Hollywood Blockbuster in the making by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      If Hollywood makes a movie about this, that will kill the research. No politician will allow something to continue once it has been "proven" to be recklessly dangerous by a movie.

      Hollywood:
      AGW: Listen to the scientists. They know best.
      GMO: Scientists are arrogant liars. Don't trust them.

      I'd mod you up if I had not already posted.

    3. Re:Hollywood Blockbuster in the making by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      "Hollywood" doesn't care one way or the other. They simply do what they are paid to do. "Escaped lab animals" has already been done several times over.

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    4. Re:Hollywood Blockbuster in the making by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it's "secure" but Nature finds a way.

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  4. "quickly spread a genetic mutation... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

    ...lethal to its own species"

    This sentence scares the shit of me. We should not be going down that road AT ALL.

    1. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insects are a foundational link in the food chain.

    2. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by capt_peachfuzz · · Score: 1

      Going down the road isn't really a choice, it's simply the road that we find ourselves on. We are probably better off learning as we go, even if mistakes are made. Any mistake we make now will be small in comparison to what we'd cause down the road without the benefit of hindsight.

      I'm not sure this is a great example, but nuclear weapons come to mind. We discovered the capability, for better or worse. That is the road we were on. They should have never been used, but we didn't *really* know that until after they had been. If they hadn't been used in WWII, I think there's a decent chance that the planet would be a cinder right now (probably by the late '60s).

      If we screw this up big time, we are probably averting a larger disaster in the future. On the other hand, if it works, we're eliminating a whole lot of human suffering.

    3. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It scares you because you are ignorant of both genetics and entomology. No one's talking about eliminating an order, superfamily, family, subfamily or even genus you idiot.

    4. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But mosquitoes are not.

    5. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they are. Inbred Republican retards who know nothing about science don't get a say. Sorry.

    6. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We should not be going down that road AT ALL.

      Are you willing to volunteer your child to help keep Plasmodium malariae from extinction?

      Or are you only against extinction if the victims are black kids in Africa?

    7. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      The thing I'm afraid of kills ALL the things.

    8. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The thing I'm afraid of kills ALL the things.

      Do you understand that CRISPR already commonly exists in nature?

      The only way for this gene to "kill everything" would be for it to spread asexually between species by a virus. But if that was a danger, it would have already happened, since the mechanism is already common in procaryotes, including trillions of the bacteria in your intestines.

    9. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      My intestines aren't prone to religious or political nonsense that would motivate them to do such a thing.

    10. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      My intestines aren't prone to religious or political nonsense that would motivate them to do such a thing.

      I am not sure what you point is. Are you saying that if the Italian scientists refrain from completing their trails, religious and political terrorists will also agree to refrain from using GMO?

      Do you really believe that a gene drive, which takes a generation (roughly 30 years for humans) to move from one person to another, is going to be an effective terrorist weapon?

    11. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Shaitan · · Score: 2

      The food chain isn't a single rope, it is crosslinked and has loops all over the damn place. Anything which eats mosquitos will happily eat a fly and with less mosquitos around there will be more of the flies.

    12. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      "The only way for this gene to "kill everything" would be for it to spread asexually between species by a virus. But if that was a danger, it would have already happened, since the mechanism is already common in procaryotes, including trillions of the bacteria in your intestines."

      Not in engineered forms with the sole purpose of eradicating hard to eradicate species. There are dangers in the form of unintended natural chain reactions and our very poor understanding of genetics on the whole.

    13. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not in engineered forms with the sole purpose of eradicating hard to eradicate species. There are dangers in the form of unintended natural chain reactions and our very poor understanding of genetics on the whole.

      Engineered would mean there is a non-zero level of understanding, even if poor as you claim.
      Natural is exactly zero understanding, completely random and without moral cares of the effects on anything.

      Remember that it is natural chain reactions that brought us such diseases as.. well every single last one of them in existence now or ever in the past.

      Most of us will take "a little better" over "not better" any day.

      As for claims like yours, the very "natural process" you're trying to stand up and defend is constantly trying to kill you, so much so you are right this very second availing yourself of many measures to try and limit its ability to do while at the exact same moment trying to argue it is a good thing.

      Do you live in a house? Why, when extreme colds and heat should be just fine for you.
      Do you go to a hospital when hurt? Why, when pain is only the way nature is saying you should give up and stop functioning.
      Do you go to a doctor to try and prevent becoming ill?
      You may *say* natural is better than engineered, but your *actions* show you despise natural and live by an engineered life.

    14. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by smoot123 · · Score: 1

      The food chain isn't a single rope, it is crosslinked and has loops all over the damn place. Anything which eats mosquitos will happily eat a fly and with less mosquitos around there will be more of the flies.

      I'm curious. Do you actually know this or just suspect it? Some animals are really, really picky about what they eat (e.g. blue whales only eat krill). If you said there are spider species which only eat one of these species of mosquitoes, I would believe you. I'd then have to think about how this would affect the spiders and whether we care more about human health or some spiders. My guess is I'm for the humans because malaria is a horrible disease but I think we should make sure we look into potential consequences.

      That being said, this stage of the experiment seems pretty well thought through. They seem pretty careful about not letting the modified bugs lose, and that any which escape will quickly die (and not breed). Given that they're being quite careful where and how they test the bugs, I'm relatively confident the research team is looking into things as obvious as what species depends on them. We had enough careless environmental modification over the last two centuries that they have to know this is an issue.

    15. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Or are you only against extinction if the victims are black kids in Africa?

      I dunno - but can you address the point he actually made, instead of making up a stupid straw man to burn down?

    16. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      can you address the point he actually made

      To be honest, I am not sure what his point was. About 1000 species go extinct every year, or about 3 per day. Almost all of them are because of human activity. Should we be doing something about that? Yes. I agree we should be trying to reduce extinctions. I just disagree that the malaria protozoa is the best candidate for preservation. Perhaps a rainforest tree frog instead?

    17. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Killing the species genetically is not killing anything at all, it is limited their reproduction so they become extinct over time. The problem is, if it is too effective it will limit spread, fifty fifty actually aids the spread of the genes, depending upon how wide spread the release.

      The other option would be to make the mosquito no longer immune to malaria so that it kills them but I can not think why they would bother to specifically keep mosquitoes, I kill them without any remorse so, meh.

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    18. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Shaitan · · Score: 2

      "I'm curious. Do you actually know this or just suspect it? Some animals are really, really picky about what they eat (e.g. blue whales only eat krill)."

      Look, I tend to be honest and technical to a fault. So that depends on the level of commitment you are looking for. I'm not a biologist and I'm not swearing there isn't a single species anywhere on earth like a particular spider species that only eats this particular mosquito. I don't think a biologist with my level of technical honesty would claim that either because there are undoubtedly millions of species we haven't even discovered. I'm asserting a reasonably educated guess based on logic and not claiming something beyond that. However, I am reasonably confident there will plenty of other spiders which serve the same role in the food chain as that special spider should it exist.

      If that isn't true and there is some special bubble ecosystem somewhere (some high slope of a mountain or isolated pocket valley ala arachnophobia) I'm confident it is isolated and small and while I'll shed a single tear for its loss well... there are things that meet that level of significance lost every day. I respect all life but also adopt a certain pragmaticism coupled with that. If a life causes more chaos than peace for other lives at a certain point the best course of action becomes to expel it and sometimes that might be to end it. After all, you end life when you use antibiotic soap.

      There are plenty of things done on a daily basis that could have some unexpected or unintended consequence that results in a cascade of problems leading to disaster. I don't think we should make a habit of seeking them out, in fact we should avoid them and hedge slightly on the edge of fault but no further. We should exercise a certain level of caution approaching something to minimize that risk but at some point short of zero is suitably low and there is a high benefit. I'm not a fan of killing off anything but I'm still part of team human and not looking to die of malaria or see others suffer and die and other blood born diseases kill A LOT of humans. Something people may not consider is that a biting mosquito in a populated area is basically the same as an involuntarily shared needle. We may even dodge that issue because we are trying to minimize social stigma on certain groups but there it is.

    19. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aside from your feeling scared of science, there are only 5 species which carry disease and bite humans, out of hundreds of mosquito species. If the harmful ones are wiped out the others will fill their niche and provide food to whatever the hell it is you believe can only survive by eating mosquitoes.

    20. Re: "quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Furthermore, who gives a fuck about the environment, other species, or the survival of our own species? We've got a profit to make!

    21. Re: "quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Malaria is not nearly so horrible a disease as the propaganda hypes it. More on the level of a bad flu. I know several people who had malaria as a kid and survived just fine.

      No, malaria is not a big health threat. Rather, it's an opportunity. An opportunity for Western mad scientists to do crazy experiments on tropical peoples. An opportunity for global megacorps to sell boatloads of toxic chemicals. An opportunity for smug NGO staff to feel good about themselves while poisoning those they purport to help.

    22. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      If you could sterilize the terrorists with a biological weapon made from similar genetic mutations it might help.

      Or something to create problems with their joints or connective tissue, severely limiting their ability to move. Bonus points if it can spread within a certain race. Double bonus if it is also passed to their future generations.

      Nerve gas is so old school.

    23. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SJW posturing aside, the root cause of our major issues today is that human population growth is out of control, causing much malady. Humans certainly dont need more help in this area. in fact, helping individual specimens by removing specific causes of death can be extremely hazardous to the polulation on a whole, especially given time.

      Curing/removing deadly disease isnt all that different from removing an apex predator. Beeing nice and good to humans by say, removing small pox, is normally praised as fantastic but we are so caught up in ourselves as individuals separate from our environment that we dont realise that it might actually be extremely harmful to our population in the long run.

    24. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      A gene drive isn't how you'd achieve that sort of goal, it's too slow.

    25. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've been picked on enough already, but there are flowers which are pollinated entirely by mosquitoes. Then again, there are plenty of mosquitoes that don't bite people or don't spread disease. There really is only certain species of mosquitoes we want to eliminate. Nature would work just fine without them.

    26. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      "but there are flowers which are pollinated entirely by mosquitoes. Then again, there are plenty of mosquitoes that don't bite people or don't spread disease."

      Indeed, and if there is no other mosquito that will pollinate these particular flowers I'm sure there are other flowers too.

      I'm all for preserving life but I do believe in self-defense. These mosquitoes threaten, endanger, and kill in large numbers a creature that is potentially capable of wiping them out (in theory, I suspect it would depopulate but not wipe them out). This is just a form of natural selection.

  5. Re:Secure until the power goes off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah a failure could result in mosquitoes that are mostly sterile being released into an environment where there is nothing for them to mate with, and that they can't survive in...

    The outcome here could be catastrophic...

  6. Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Secure? Thought things through? Next theyâ(TM)ll be saying that the apocalypse they released was entirely unforseaable.

  7. Free blowjobs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, everyone who enters the lab gets blown?

    1. Re: Free blowjobs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with the new job, buddy! All that truck stop GH experience will finally pay off.

    2. Re:Free blowjobs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The insects are prevented from sucking promiscuously because of the blowing.

  8. How goddman pathetic you people are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    but birds are apparently more important than people. I suspect any other animals this effects will end up more important than people as well.

    For many on the envirowhacko side, humans are the only non-natural animal on the planet.

    The "envirowhacko" as you call them, understand that we humans are a part of nature. This is our environment. Damage it and you damage people's health and well being. We evolved in a very complex ecosystem and tampering with it can have horrible consequences. Just look how pesticides are destroying bees - you know the pollinators that our agriculture depends on.

    The birds add beauty and music to the world. The mosquitoes are food to many birds, other insects, and bats.
    And as we destroy more and more of our habitat for the sake of profits and this idiotic notion of "progress" we are becoming more and more distressed.

    I don't blame them. A typical American community is fucking ugly, boring and depressing. It's horribly depressing that one has to drive to a park in order to be in nature and have green space. And then have to put up with idiots playing loud music or driving their ATVs and motorcycles and making all this noise and pollution because they want to "enjoy" nature.

    1. Re: How goddman pathetic you people are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your cell is ready, Mr Kaczynski.

    2. Re: How goddman pathetic you people are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kaczynski was anti-technological reliance and surveillance society, not an environmental focus. Go figure, illiterate Republicans don't have a clue, again. Throw them on the burn pile.

    3. Re: How goddman pathetic you people are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was with you until you had a problem with dirt bikesbikes. F you.

  9. Re:Secure until the power goes off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the movies have taught me anything it's that there is a dead-man switch and if the power were to go out the entire lab will be turned in to a fireball in order to prevent release.

    Don't worry, some will escape the flames and we all know there is nothing better than genetically modified flame-proof mosquitoes.

  10. Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sterile mosquito has been a thing for a few years and in many countries they have already been released into the wild. Since we still have mosquitos it must not be the catastrophe they are selling. Don't know if this is a more modified one or if passing the genes to all offspring is a new thing but there are already PBS shows on this.

    1. Re: Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those mosquitoes are sterilized through irradiation or similar in a production facility, then shipped out for release. The process could shut down at any moment because it uses otherwise stock mosquitoes.

      This method being discussed instead has genetically altered mosquitoes where the sterilization is built in, with no production facility to stop the leak if it gets out of hand.

  11. Welcome to the age of GMO by coastwalker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The world is going to be transformed over the next few decades by work like this. Problems like malaria will be addressed. The bad news is that these early efforts carry unknown risks the good news is that the work is being done by experts in the field. This sort of work will be accessible to hackers in very few years so lets hope that regulated agencies beat them to it. If you thought the nuclear standoff of the cold war years was bad just wait for the biological equivalent. The genie is out of the bottle now, work like this is as much a part of national defense as hyper-sonic missiles.

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    1. Re:Welcome to the age of GMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll need to make an edit to the bible. Flood was first event, fire (presumably nukes) was supposed to be the 2nd. I'm betting we off ourselves with a bad edit and cause a segmentation fault. Not sure how to describe that in a biblical way.

    2. Re:Welcome to the age of GMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, welcome our new genetically modified, world transforming, insect overlords

    3. Re:Welcome to the age of GMO by smoot123 · · Score: 1

      The world is going to be transformed over the next few decades by work like this. Problems like malaria will be addressed.

      I'm sort of with you on this. My guess is in the next 20 years, we will find a way to eradicate malaria using some form of genetic modification. This gene drive might not be the ultimate solution and there are other competing approaches. I'm quote confident this is a good thing. Malaria is a horribly debilitating and widespread disease. Good riddance being done with it.

      The bad news is that these early efforts carry unknown risks the good news is that the work is being done by experts in the field. This sort of work will be accessible to hackers in very few years so lets hope that regulated agencies beat them to it. If you thought the nuclear standoff of the cold war years was bad just wait for the biological equivalent. The genie is out of the bottle now, work like this is as much a part of national defense as hyper-sonic missiles.

      I'm not sure where you were going on this. Here's what concerns me, genii and bottle wise. CRISPR is pretty easy to use. My college-aged daughter uses it to experiment on tobacco plants. You can go to a web site and order DNA strands to order, all set up to be edited in. Procedurally, only the knowledge of what to make limits the use of CRISPR.

      So malaria seems a clear case to me. We should eliminate it. What's the next one, guinea worm? Fine, out it goes too. Lyme disease? Sure, gone. The list of pests goes on and on, and no one is going to cry over the top ones. But what happens when we get to pigeons in New York City? They're a pest too. Suppose some bright spark reads up on this, sees how gene drives works, and just tweaks the process to make pigeons sterile? That doesn't seem implausible if this technique becomes well known and is shown to work.

      That's the slippery slope I'm concerned about. We'll get good at eliminating plague species and about the time we've eliminated most of the really nasty ones, people will become less careful and start eliminating annoying but less clearly bad species. That's what I'm worried about and that's what we need to start thinking about now. And I think thinking about it when it's plausible but not actually practical seems a good time for sober consideration.

    4. Re: Welcome to the age of GMO by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      If gene editing technology in fact becomes sn widespread and accessible as you say, that's going to be a big problem. The one saving grace of nuclear weapons - the reason we're all still alive today - is that they are fiendishly difficult and expensive to manufacture.

    5. Re:Welcome to the age of GMO by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      I agree with your concerns and note the availability of some of this technology already. Such has always been the way of technological progress, first in government institutions, then big business and then to many. All the more reason we should see considerable resources devoted to understanding it in places we have some transparency from. The academic world has already loudly disparaged the Chinese HIV human experiment and there will continue to be debates about what is acceptable use. The public appetite for Nationalism worries me because this is yet another issue that requires global attention.

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  12. Why does this work at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure I understand how this will work at all. If it's a trait that dooms those specimens that have it, the logical output would simply be that this trait is quickly pruned away by evolutionary processes, i.e. traits that are inherently detrimental to their reproduction are inherently traits that cannot spread effectively.

    1. Re:Why does this work at all? by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

      My first thought too. Can an expert explain how this could work, other than on a strictly local and seasonal level?

    2. Re:Why does this work at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like with gamma radiation sterilization, you raise a crap load and release. So any mating with a modified male prevents the female from mating with another. Female mosquitoes mating more than once is uncommon.

    3. Re:Why does this work at all? by r2kordmaa · · Score: 1

      The idea is that the gene passes on through male offspring and dooms only the female offspring. You are right though that evolution selects against it, with only males surviving to pass on their genes, reproduction rate of edited mosquitoes is much reduced. But you can offset that disadvantage by breeding the defective mosquitoes. Release enough of them and you overpower evolutionary pressure trying to remove the defective gene from the gene pool.

    4. Re:Why does this work at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, if they modify the female and that female can't lay viable eggs, then they're not going to get an increase of the modified mosquito population in the wild.

    5. Re:Why does this work at all? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The idea is that the gene passes on through male offspring and dooms only the female offspring.

      The other part of the idea is that the gene copies itself into the matching diploid DNA, so it has twice the propagation rate of a normal gene.

      Most likely there would be enclaves of surviving mosquitoes that would repopulate the species, so the mosquitoes with the gene drive would need to be periodically re-released. But we don't need to kill every one, we just need to reduce R0 to well below one for the mosquito borne diseases.

  13. Youre doing it wrong ! by Kekke · · Score: 1

    In my opinion those insects should be modified so, that the bite would cause the target human unable to produce more humans. And then by all means release the mothafuckers...
    I for one, assume that we can reverse engineer the ability to reproduce when the human population has shrunk to say 1Bil in numbers...
    Win / Win don't You think?
    But noooo, once again, They are doing just the opposite.

    I mean aren't insects going to be extinct anyways in 100-200 hundred years? At least if we are allowed to continue The but rape of this planet ? To Me this is basically an ill logic. Let's kill those insects that are vital for every ecosystem so that those witch are MOST harmful to it can thrive ?

    1. Re:Youre doing it wrong ! by sheramil · · Score: 1

      In my opinion those insects should be modified so, that the bite would cause the target human unable to produce more humans.

      I'm wondering why they're modifying the mosquitoes rather than modifying the Plasmodia.

    2. Re:Youre doing it wrong ! by Kekke · · Score: 1

      In my opinion those insects should be modified so, that the bite would cause the target human unable to produce more humans.

      I'm wondering why they're modifying the mosquitoes rather than modifying the Plasmodia.

      To quote Sunshine The movie:
      Now that, is THE question ?

  14. "Release"? No! by BoRegardless · · Score: 3, Informative

    Using that word in the title implies released into the wild, which is a headline grabber.

    Let's get real.

    1. Re: "Release"? No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, if Pai's lies can get accepted as truth, who cares about the truthiness of little 'ol /. ?

  15. "assures:that the lab the mosquitos are in is very by I75BJC · · Score: 1

    Just like the secure that housed the African Bees? You know, the Killer Bees? Murphy's Laws assumes that Anything that can go wrong will go wrong! This is the type of mistakes "scientists"make all the time. Beware!

  16. yeah, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only could the insects cause a negative effect on crops by eliminating important pollinators

    Utter bullshit spouted by an entomological ignoramus. There are virtually no pollinators that are mosquito predators. Bees? Nope. Butterflies/moths? Nope. Flies? Nope. Even wasps? Nope.

    the insects' population crash could also lead to other mosquitos coming with other diseases.

    Nothing's stopping that from happening now. More ignorant crap.

  17. Re:It's almost like you missed the point: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's also a reverse Dunning-Kruger effect: So afraid due to your blindness, that that fear makes you even more blind.
    Example: Anti-vaxxer. GMO opponents. Nuclear opponents.

  18. When asked.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the dangersous side effects of some of the mosquitos would be a problem? Doctors reportedly responded, âoegaaaaahrrrrrrâ while savagely attacking the press conferences attendees.

  19. Déjà vu Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmmm .... Isn't this the opening scene in most scifi / horror movies?

    "To enter the most secure part of the facility... punches a security code into a keypad to open a sliding glass doo ... As the door seals, a powerful blower makes sure none of the genetically modified mosquitoes inside escape .....Anyone entering must don white lab coats ..... hitch a ride out of the lab and must pass through a second sealed door and blower."

    Are they checking the sole of their feet? LOL!

  20. Nothing could possibli go wrong by js290 · · Score: 1
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    "Tempers are wearing thin. Let's just hope some robot doesn't kill everybody." --Bender
    1. Re:Nothing could possibli go wrong by wildfish · · Score: 1

      This is all a bit beyond my detailed understanding but when I read that our current knowledge of horizontal gene transfer between species is quite rudimentary it is concerning. It seems like a possible worst case situation where we wipe out all mosquitoes but how completely can it be discounted. Invasive species of the past are a prime example of humans moving before understanding the ramification. https://www.upi.com/Science_Ne...

    2. Re:Nothing could possibli go wrong by js290 · · Score: 1

      Invasive species of the past are a prime example of humans moving before understanding the ramification.

      "Name one organism that has the concept called invasion..."

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      "Tempers are wearing thin. Let's just hope some robot doesn't kill everybody." --Bender
  21. Re: Secure until the power goes off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, you are so far outside of reality it is scary. You don't understand emp's of any kind, nor electronics, nor various power plant designs or even operation. Ya, it is a waste of my time to respond to the troll.

  22. dumbasses.. Dragonflies eat mosquitos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    freaking dumb asses. They haven't learned about the experiment with gypsy moths ? How about Plum Island ? read about it. I have a business idea to locate Dragonfly colonies where mosquitos tend to be a problem.

  23. Re:"Release"? No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using that word in the title implies released into the wild, which is a headline grabber.

    Let's get real.

    But, they released them.. in a high-security lab, which still contains them.
    Don't you see how big of a deal this is?

  24. The only good mosquitoes by rossdee · · Score: 1

    are the ones made of wood
    there are only 4 of them left flying, including one in NZ

  25. "they can't bite and so can't spread malaria" by jessiej · · Score: 1

    the transformed insects have mouths that resemble male mosquito mouths. That means they can't bite and so can't spread the malaria parasite.

    Oh, sweet. So we aren't going to try and get rid of mosquitos completely, just make it so they won't bite people anymore.

    That seems like a much better approach than wiping them off the face of the planet.

    In addition, the insects' reproductive organs are deformed, which means they can't lay eggs. As more and more female mosquitoes inherit two copies of the modification, more and more become sterile.

    fucking hell

  26. Population by TJHook3r · · Score: 0

    The elephant in the room is that we don't actually require more humans and more developed regions of the planet.

    1. Re:Population by nnappe · · Score: 1

      We certainly don't need more humans.
      We do need more developed regions of course, so that the living standard of the existing humans improve. Actually, the development would also help with curbing the amount of humans: high development brings low pop growth.

    2. Re:Population by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      High development brings more social control, which brings low pop growth. FTFY.

    3. Re:Population by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The elephant in the room is that we don't actually require more humans and more developed regions of the planet.

      Malaria is a major cause of childhood mortality in Africa. High child mortality causes parents to have more children, and to invest fewer resources in each child. Reducing childhood mortality lowers population growth. This has happened repeatedly, over and over, all around the world. It is happening now even in Africa ... except where malaria (or war) is still endemic.

    4. Re:Population by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least gawdsakes no more gub'mnt-humping lib'ruls.

    5. Re: Population by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

      We don't need more developed regions. Having an exclusion zone controlled by mosquitoes is an effective way to keep this planet's lungs intact. Without any checks on growth the planet will be covered in either concrete, corn fields or palm plantations. I suppose I'm a troll for wanting to keep some areas of the planet off-limits... I'd certainly rather there was a more civilised way to keep green spaces!

  27. Anti-vaxxers shaking in their boots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no avoiding the vaxx now.

    1. Re: Anti-vaxxers shaking in their boots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forced-vax nazis sure do like the idea of genociding entire species.

  28. All diseases & parasites need to be eliminated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMHO, mosquitoes cause vast harm & very little benefit, to humans & countless species of animals!!!
    They carriers of countless diseases, since they are very much like shared syringes!!!

    IMHO, our world can do a lot better w/o mosquitoes & their diseases, to fight against endlessly!!!

    IMHO, removing all diseases & parasites should/must be a common long term goal for whole humanity!!!

  29. Re:Secure until the power goes off by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    "yeah a failure could result in mosquitoes that are mostly sterile being released into an environment where there is nothing for them to mate with, and that they can't survive in...

    The outcome here could be catastrophic..."

    That is pretending this entire exercise isn't just intellectual masturbation and a waste of effort and funds if they don't release them in an environment with none of those limitations sooner or later. Since they obviously plan to do that anyway I say just get on with it. My back yard is fine. I give permission, don't even have to tell me when you do it.

  30. But Scully will get stung by one by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    And Mulder will have to schlep to Antarctica to rescue her.

  31. Re:"Release"? No! by Hartree · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but saying "they made the cage bigger" doesn't get clicks for your article.

  32. They always get out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They always get out. Always.

    In 20 years, mosquitos will be extinct and the ecosystem will crash.

  33. What type of psychopath thinks the genocide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What type of psychopath thinks the genocide of a species is ok?

    1. Re:What type of psychopath thinks the genocide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure then that you will happily take a few lions and tigers into your own home to save them from poachers?

  34. Bad days for frogs by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Once mosquitoes will be removed, what will frogs eat?

    1. Re:Bad days for frogs by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      This question has been asked a lot, and it's been answered a lot. Google is up there ^. Go find out how many mosquito species are out there, and then find out how many bite humans.

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    2. Re: Bad days for frogs by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      #hubris

  35. Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every person who is responsible for the release should be required to sign a contract guaranteeing that there will be no adverse effects of that release upon penalty of death. No risk, no problem. Why the resistance Mr. Smartypants?

  36. But are they immune to AIDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But are they immune to AIDS like APK is?

  37. Re:More dangerous than just WMDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy crap, you certainly skipped the biology classes in favor of reading sci fi. Fantasy world real cosy for ya?

  38. Re: It's almost like you missed the point: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's unfair. All three technologies do carry significant risks. However vaccination is far safer than atomic power or crazy frankenstein GMO mad science.

  39. Safety first :| by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    Personally, I would build said lab in the center of Antarctica where the temps are -60.
    If the mosquitoes made it out of the lab, it would become a mosquito shaped snowflake a few seconds later.

  40. Everything has a purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As well as a role to play. We need to stop thinking like we know better than millions of years of evolution.

  41. Re:"Release"? No! by EETech1 · · Score: 1

    GMosquitos have been released before!

    Even Google did it.

  42. The wrong solution to the mosquito problem by CptJeanLuc · · Score: 1

    Taking mosquitoes entirely out of the ecosystem by making them sterile? Very dangerous to the ecosystem.

    On a recent Science Friday episode they discussed another solution which is actually viable, which is to make mosquitoes shy away from human blood. Humans don't get infected, mosquitoes can continue living, the ecosystem can continue functioning as is, everybody wins.

    1. Re:The wrong solution to the mosquito problem by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      The disease carrying species that bite humans are invasive in most of their range, you'd be helping local mosquitos by extirpating them.

  43. Beware Screwfly Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will not end well

  44. Re: It's almost like you missed the point: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All technology carries risks. That is simply due to the fact that nothing is inherently just good or bad, it all depends on the application. Of course there's some things that carry more risk than others.
    Take the entire field of medical science as an example. There's a huge potential of abuse. Vaccination is only a subset of that.
    It's also not only that people fear killer pathogens designed by mad scientists. People pretty much have always been afraid of what medical knowledge could do, hence the Hippocratic Oath and strong ethical oversight as well as many other safety measures in the sciences. Just because there are some black sheep does not mean that we need to cull the entire herd.
    And here it's important to understand that not everyone is as incompetent as #58172946. Sure, I also wouldn't trust someone like #58172946 to light a fire without burning down the entire house. But we've been using fires since a long long time without burning the entire world down. This means that there are others who are well capable of doing something that #58172946 can't.

    If it was for fear and ignorance driven people like those we'd probably still live in trees. Fortunately we humans are animals of which a good portion is driven by our curiosity. Yes, it does get us killed some times. Just imagine how we figured out in the past what is safe to eat and what not. You can't only watch animals and eat the same things, because our digestive systems are different. At some point we have to conduct an experiment, observe and pass down the information. That is how we learn. And we've gotten a lot better at avoiding casualties.

  45. I'm sure it sounds good, but by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    "Life, Uh, Finds a Way" Jurassic Park, Dr. Ian Malcolm, 1993.

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    E Proelio Veritas.
  46. Re:Secure until the power goes off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, the mosquitoes get released... and proceed to do exactly what they're intended to do which is to get to the mosquito ladies first, prevent them from having any more children and crash the population, hopefully to zero.

    If you don't like this, then you and all the others like you are quite welcome to shut yourselves inside a completely sealed environment along with all the remaining people-biting malarial mosquitoes to act as a propagation vector for this disease.

    Just don't ever come back out again.

  47. Italy climate by Exitar · · Score: 1

    "adding that even if the mosquitos did escape they would not be able to survive Italy's climate"

    Northern Italy here, first outdoor mosquito sighting this year: February 22.

    1. Re:Italy climate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool. Were those imported tropical mosquitos, or ones adapted to the local climate?

  48. Too much... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems like only one of these modifications is necessary (the one that makes the females have male-like mouths): if they can't bite, they can't spread malaria. The other modification to make them sterile then sounds unnecessary and counterproductive, as surely the more the modified mosquitoes spread their genes through successive generations, the more the problem of biting mosquitoes will be eliminated.

    On the other hand, the sterile offspring modification sounds like a very sensible precaution against these escaping before the mouth part modification is fully evaluated. Once that's done, presumably the plan would be to remove the sterility modification and release mosquitoes with only the selfish mouth part mod.

  49. Because malaria doesn't cross that much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello,

        Every mosquito reproduction is a cross between random-ish individuals in the population. Every cross with a mosquito with the gene drive results in almost 100% of the kids of the cross having the gene drive.

        The sexual reproduction of malaria is NOT random-ish at all. Rather, it's highly correlated cross, only malaria within a single mosquito cross with each other. Gene driven populations would tend to remove themselves from competition because they're isolated-ish from the generated population instead of becoming rampant. It's only when a mosquito multiply infects or gets co-infected that a cross would occur.

        What MIGHT work as an alternative is: gene drive malaria to be far less virulent. Not a killer or even a serious problem. Keep it alive/healthy otherwise. That gene drive, since it isn't self-limiting, will eventually dominate the population and malaria would no longer be an issue. Because crossing is relatively rare, this will take longer, by far, than a mosquito gene drive. This is just anticipating the natural course of evolution: parasites that kill hosts are de-selected, so the trend is for diseases to become less deadly and less debilitating.

        Another alternative, as someone mentioned, is to install a gene drive in mosquitos that kills malaria instead of killing the mosquito. Then you just extinct malaria and not the mosquito, which is less of an ecosystem impact.

  50. Why in Italy? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Do it in, say, North-Sweden, even IF they escape they freeze before they could do any harm.

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  51. obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what could possibly go wrong...

    from their acknowledgement of the unknown dangers of gm i assumed it would be a self contained environment. having doors just seems incredibly dumb. seal it up and let the project run i could see, but avoiding contamintion by using white suits so you can see them better? please.

  52. Brazilian GM mosquitoes by jf_moreira · · Score: 1

    Brazil did that two years ago, to good results. https://labiotech.eu/medical/o...

  53. The headline is trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    âoeReleasedâ in a high security lab, is not released. RTFA

  54. How the wealthy survive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fund a virology lab, create a virus, engineer the antidote, distribute antidote to friends/family, then release virus in poor, dense countries/regions world-wide. Much easier than fighting a war over borders.