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Scientists Release Controversial Genetically Modified Mosquitoes In High-Security Lab (npr.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from NPR: Scientists have launched a major new phase in the testing of a controversial genetically modified organism: a mosquito designed to quickly spread a genetic mutation lethal to its own species, NPR has learned. For the first time, researchers have begun large-scale releases of the engineered insects, into a high-security laboratory in Terni, Italy. The goal is to see if the mosquitoes could eventually provide a powerful new weapon to help eradicate malaria in Africa, where most cases occur. The lab was specially built to evaluate the modified insects in as close to a natural environment as possible without the risk of releasing them into the wild, about which there are deep concerns regarding unforeseen effects on the environment.

To prevent any unforeseen effects on the environment, scientists have always tried to keep genetically engineered organisms from spreading their mutations. But in this case, researchers want the modification to spread. So they engineered mosquitoes with a "gene drive." A gene drive is like a "selfish gene," says entomologist Ruth Mueller, because it doesn't follow the normal rules of genetics. Normally, traits are passed to only half of all offspring. With the gene drive, nearly all the progeny inherit the modification. Researchers created the mosquitoes by using the powerful new gene-editing technique known as CRISPR, which Mueller likens to a "molecular scissor which can cut at a specific site in the DNA." The cut altered a gene known as "doublesex," which is involved in the sexual development of the mosquitoes. While genetically female, the transformed insects have mouths that resemble male mosquito mouths. That means they can't bite and so can't spread the malaria parasite. In addition, the insects' reproductive organs are deformed, which means they can't lay eggs. As more and more female mosquitoes inherit two copies of the modification, more and more become sterile.
Critics fear that these gene-drive mosquitoes could run amok and wreak havoc in the wild. Not only could the insects cause a negative effect on crops by eliminating important pollinators, but the insects' population crash could also lead to other mosquitos coming with other diseases.

Mueller assures NPR's Rob Stein that the lab the mosquitos are in is very secure, adding that even if the mosquitos did escape they would not be able to survive Italy's climate. "To enter the most secure part of the facility, Mueller punches a security code into a keypad to open a sliding glass door," reports NPR. "As the door seals, a powerful blower makes sure none of the genetically modified mosquitoes inside escape. Anyone entering must don white lab coats to make it easier to spot any mosquitoes that might try to hitch a ride out of the lab and must pass through a second sealed door and blower."

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  1. Re: A delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Itâ(TM)s almost like you didnâ(TM)t even bother to read the summary where they specifically identified such risks and hence have them in a secure controlled area

  2. DDT works too by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

    but birds are apparently more important than people. I suspect any other animals this effects will end up more important than people as well.

    1. Re:DDT works too by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      For many on the envirowhacko side, humans are the only non-natural animal on the planet.

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    2. Re:DDT works too by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      The sentence that jumped out at me in the article was:

      "quickly spread a genetic mutation lethal to its own species"

      How long do you think it will be before one gets made with our number on it, intentionally, or not?

      This is like twirling a loaded handgun by the trigger guard, and the ecoweenie response is basic gun safety. Terminator genes are not something to be fucking with.... especially on a creature that you are trying to kill BECAUSE it flies around and carries disease to humans.

      JFC. Are we really that dumb as a species?

    3. Re:DDT works too by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Yes, a terrorist could aim tech like this not at man directly but at species that are critical to us, like wheat. But our recusing from GMO technology does nothing to prevent bad guys from misusing it. All it would do is prevent us from defending ourselves.

    4. Re:DDT works too by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      CRISPR-Cas9 is not a human invention. It was a discovery of something that already exists in nature.

      If it was going to wipe out humans, it would have done so long ago.

      But just for laughs, let's hypothesize that it jumps to a human. Then that human has two kids. Those kids grow up, and each has two more. Then the grandchildren do the same. So assuming 30 years per generation, after a century we have 8 people infected. Maybe by 2119 we can deal with 8 semi-sterile people (able to have sons but not daughters).

    5. Re:DDT works too by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      How is it that humans are not a natural animal on this planet?

      If I type "define:natural" into Google, the first definition is "not made or caused by humankind".

      We're subject to the same laws of nature that everything else on the planet does.

      No we aren't. For instance, a gene drive would not work on humans, because we have the intellect to understand what is happening and counteract it. No other species can do that.

      the natural world will impose a new balance on us. It may mean putting the world through another extinction event to kill us off

      There is no evidence that the "natural world" has the will and directed purpose that you seem to be ascribing to it.

    6. Re:DDT works too by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      "And if somehow something like this was created to affect humans, well we breed a lot slower than mosquitoes, which would give us lots of time to create a remedy."

      In fairness, it would also take a hell of a lot longer to figure out it was happening.

    7. Re:DDT works too by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      "If it was going to wipe out humans, it would have done so long ago."

      It wasn't in the hands of humans with an interest in wiping out other humans long ago.

    8. Re:DDT works too by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      It wasn't in the hands of humans with an interest in wiping out other humans long ago.

      Italians are not as evil as you think they are, and without a time machine they are not going to be able to wipe out other humans long ago.

    9. Re: DDT works too by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      Many of us would argue that pumping almighty fucktons of little-understood exotic poisons into the environment is the "whacko" thing to do.

      Real conservatives like to _conserve_ the environment. The religious folks call it "stewardship" and it's a damned good idea.

    10. Re: DDT works too by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      "How long do you think it will be before one gets made with our number on it, intentionally, or not?"

      I have no doubt that as we speak fine mad scientists, at Monsanto and elsewhere, are hard at work on this pressing issue.

    11. Re: DDT works too by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      "CRISPR-Cas9 is not a human invention."

      More stupid semantic games.

    12. Re:DDT works too by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Don't underestimate the danger of Otzi the Iceman cultists seeking revenge.

    13. Re: DDT works too by superposed · · Score: 2

      How long do you think it will be before one gets made with our number on it, intentionally, or not?

      Thatâ(TM)s not possible for humans. This works by releasing males with a special mutation (gene drive). Whenever they mate, they will produce offspring with the same mutation even if the mother doesnâ(TM)t carry it. If the offspring are male, they will pass it further down the line. If female, they will be unable to bite or reproduce.

      So with each generation, the mutation spreads in the population - any mosquito descended from any of the released ones will have it. After enough generations, every mosquito will have it, because they will have a mutated mosquito somewhere in their family tree. Then they will go extinct. Unless of course someone gets a new mutation that counters this, and then that line survives and takes over instead...

      It would be hard to do this with humans because you would need to create and release a bunch of mutants who could produce viable male offspring but unviable female (or vice versa). Thatâ(TM)s hard enough to do without being discovered and stopped, but then youâ(TM)d have to wait enough generations for the mutation to spread through the whole gene pool - maybe 27 if you started with an initial population of 100 and doubled each generation. Meanwhile people would be freaking out and demanding genetic tests before having kids, which would probably shit the mutants out of the gene pool pretty quickly.

    14. Re:DDT works too by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      No, to use something like DDT effectively you have to pretend it is an antibiotic and leave vulnerable reserves or they'll all get resistant. A gene drive is a much 'cleaner' way to extirpate an invasive mosquito species.

    15. Re:DDT works too by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      CRISPR is not just in the hands of Italians.

  3. Hollywood Blockbuster in the making by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Yes, I'm sure the lab is "very secure".

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    1. Re:Hollywood Blockbuster in the making by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      If Hollywood makes a movie about this, that will kill the research. No politician will allow something to continue once it has been "proven" to be recklessly dangerous by a movie.

      Hollywood:
      AGW: Listen to the scientists. They know best.
      GMO: Scientists are arrogant liars. Don't trust them.

    2. Re:Hollywood Blockbuster in the making by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      If Hollywood makes a movie about this, that will kill the research. No politician will allow something to continue once it has been "proven" to be recklessly dangerous by a movie.

      Hollywood:
      AGW: Listen to the scientists. They know best.
      GMO: Scientists are arrogant liars. Don't trust them.

      I'd mod you up if I had not already posted.

    3. Re:Hollywood Blockbuster in the making by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      "Hollywood" doesn't care one way or the other. They simply do what they are paid to do. "Escaped lab animals" has already been done several times over.

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    4. Re:Hollywood Blockbuster in the making by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it's "secure" but Nature finds a way.

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  4. "quickly spread a genetic mutation... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

    ...lethal to its own species"

    This sentence scares the shit of me. We should not be going down that road AT ALL.

    1. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by capt_peachfuzz · · Score: 1

      Going down the road isn't really a choice, it's simply the road that we find ourselves on. We are probably better off learning as we go, even if mistakes are made. Any mistake we make now will be small in comparison to what we'd cause down the road without the benefit of hindsight.

      I'm not sure this is a great example, but nuclear weapons come to mind. We discovered the capability, for better or worse. That is the road we were on. They should have never been used, but we didn't *really* know that until after they had been. If they hadn't been used in WWII, I think there's a decent chance that the planet would be a cinder right now (probably by the late '60s).

      If we screw this up big time, we are probably averting a larger disaster in the future. On the other hand, if it works, we're eliminating a whole lot of human suffering.

    2. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We should not be going down that road AT ALL.

      Are you willing to volunteer your child to help keep Plasmodium malariae from extinction?

      Or are you only against extinction if the victims are black kids in Africa?

    3. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      The thing I'm afraid of kills ALL the things.

    4. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The thing I'm afraid of kills ALL the things.

      Do you understand that CRISPR already commonly exists in nature?

      The only way for this gene to "kill everything" would be for it to spread asexually between species by a virus. But if that was a danger, it would have already happened, since the mechanism is already common in procaryotes, including trillions of the bacteria in your intestines.

    5. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      My intestines aren't prone to religious or political nonsense that would motivate them to do such a thing.

    6. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      My intestines aren't prone to religious or political nonsense that would motivate them to do such a thing.

      I am not sure what you point is. Are you saying that if the Italian scientists refrain from completing their trails, religious and political terrorists will also agree to refrain from using GMO?

      Do you really believe that a gene drive, which takes a generation (roughly 30 years for humans) to move from one person to another, is going to be an effective terrorist weapon?

    7. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Shaitan · · Score: 2

      The food chain isn't a single rope, it is crosslinked and has loops all over the damn place. Anything which eats mosquitos will happily eat a fly and with less mosquitos around there will be more of the flies.

    8. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      "The only way for this gene to "kill everything" would be for it to spread asexually between species by a virus. But if that was a danger, it would have already happened, since the mechanism is already common in procaryotes, including trillions of the bacteria in your intestines."

      Not in engineered forms with the sole purpose of eradicating hard to eradicate species. There are dangers in the form of unintended natural chain reactions and our very poor understanding of genetics on the whole.

    9. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by smoot123 · · Score: 1

      The food chain isn't a single rope, it is crosslinked and has loops all over the damn place. Anything which eats mosquitos will happily eat a fly and with less mosquitos around there will be more of the flies.

      I'm curious. Do you actually know this or just suspect it? Some animals are really, really picky about what they eat (e.g. blue whales only eat krill). If you said there are spider species which only eat one of these species of mosquitoes, I would believe you. I'd then have to think about how this would affect the spiders and whether we care more about human health or some spiders. My guess is I'm for the humans because malaria is a horrible disease but I think we should make sure we look into potential consequences.

      That being said, this stage of the experiment seems pretty well thought through. They seem pretty careful about not letting the modified bugs lose, and that any which escape will quickly die (and not breed). Given that they're being quite careful where and how they test the bugs, I'm relatively confident the research team is looking into things as obvious as what species depends on them. We had enough careless environmental modification over the last two centuries that they have to know this is an issue.

    10. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Or are you only against extinction if the victims are black kids in Africa?

      I dunno - but can you address the point he actually made, instead of making up a stupid straw man to burn down?

    11. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      can you address the point he actually made

      To be honest, I am not sure what his point was. About 1000 species go extinct every year, or about 3 per day. Almost all of them are because of human activity. Should we be doing something about that? Yes. I agree we should be trying to reduce extinctions. I just disagree that the malaria protozoa is the best candidate for preservation. Perhaps a rainforest tree frog instead?

    12. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Killing the species genetically is not killing anything at all, it is limited their reproduction so they become extinct over time. The problem is, if it is too effective it will limit spread, fifty fifty actually aids the spread of the genes, depending upon how wide spread the release.

      The other option would be to make the mosquito no longer immune to malaria so that it kills them but I can not think why they would bother to specifically keep mosquitoes, I kill them without any remorse so, meh.

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    13. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Shaitan · · Score: 2

      "I'm curious. Do you actually know this or just suspect it? Some animals are really, really picky about what they eat (e.g. blue whales only eat krill)."

      Look, I tend to be honest and technical to a fault. So that depends on the level of commitment you are looking for. I'm not a biologist and I'm not swearing there isn't a single species anywhere on earth like a particular spider species that only eats this particular mosquito. I don't think a biologist with my level of technical honesty would claim that either because there are undoubtedly millions of species we haven't even discovered. I'm asserting a reasonably educated guess based on logic and not claiming something beyond that. However, I am reasonably confident there will plenty of other spiders which serve the same role in the food chain as that special spider should it exist.

      If that isn't true and there is some special bubble ecosystem somewhere (some high slope of a mountain or isolated pocket valley ala arachnophobia) I'm confident it is isolated and small and while I'll shed a single tear for its loss well... there are things that meet that level of significance lost every day. I respect all life but also adopt a certain pragmaticism coupled with that. If a life causes more chaos than peace for other lives at a certain point the best course of action becomes to expel it and sometimes that might be to end it. After all, you end life when you use antibiotic soap.

      There are plenty of things done on a daily basis that could have some unexpected or unintended consequence that results in a cascade of problems leading to disaster. I don't think we should make a habit of seeking them out, in fact we should avoid them and hedge slightly on the edge of fault but no further. We should exercise a certain level of caution approaching something to minimize that risk but at some point short of zero is suitably low and there is a high benefit. I'm not a fan of killing off anything but I'm still part of team human and not looking to die of malaria or see others suffer and die and other blood born diseases kill A LOT of humans. Something people may not consider is that a biting mosquito in a populated area is basically the same as an involuntarily shared needle. We may even dodge that issue because we are trying to minimize social stigma on certain groups but there it is.

    14. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      If you could sterilize the terrorists with a biological weapon made from similar genetic mutations it might help.

      Or something to create problems with their joints or connective tissue, severely limiting their ability to move. Bonus points if it can spread within a certain race. Double bonus if it is also passed to their future generations.

      Nerve gas is so old school.

    15. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      A gene drive isn't how you'd achieve that sort of goal, it's too slow.

    16. Re:"quickly spread a genetic mutation... by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      "but there are flowers which are pollinated entirely by mosquitoes. Then again, there are plenty of mosquitoes that don't bite people or don't spread disease."

      Indeed, and if there is no other mosquito that will pollinate these particular flowers I'm sure there are other flowers too.

      I'm all for preserving life but I do believe in self-defense. These mosquitoes threaten, endanger, and kill in large numbers a creature that is potentially capable of wiping them out (in theory, I suspect it would depopulate but not wipe them out). This is just a form of natural selection.

  5. How goddman pathetic you people are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    but birds are apparently more important than people. I suspect any other animals this effects will end up more important than people as well.

    For many on the envirowhacko side, humans are the only non-natural animal on the planet.

    The "envirowhacko" as you call them, understand that we humans are a part of nature. This is our environment. Damage it and you damage people's health and well being. We evolved in a very complex ecosystem and tampering with it can have horrible consequences. Just look how pesticides are destroying bees - you know the pollinators that our agriculture depends on.

    The birds add beauty and music to the world. The mosquitoes are food to many birds, other insects, and bats.
    And as we destroy more and more of our habitat for the sake of profits and this idiotic notion of "progress" we are becoming more and more distressed.

    I don't blame them. A typical American community is fucking ugly, boring and depressing. It's horribly depressing that one has to drive to a park in order to be in nature and have green space. And then have to put up with idiots playing loud music or driving their ATVs and motorcycles and making all this noise and pollution because they want to "enjoy" nature.

  6. Welcome to the age of GMO by coastwalker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The world is going to be transformed over the next few decades by work like this. Problems like malaria will be addressed. The bad news is that these early efforts carry unknown risks the good news is that the work is being done by experts in the field. This sort of work will be accessible to hackers in very few years so lets hope that regulated agencies beat them to it. If you thought the nuclear standoff of the cold war years was bad just wait for the biological equivalent. The genie is out of the bottle now, work like this is as much a part of national defense as hyper-sonic missiles.

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    1. Re:Welcome to the age of GMO by smoot123 · · Score: 1

      The world is going to be transformed over the next few decades by work like this. Problems like malaria will be addressed.

      I'm sort of with you on this. My guess is in the next 20 years, we will find a way to eradicate malaria using some form of genetic modification. This gene drive might not be the ultimate solution and there are other competing approaches. I'm quote confident this is a good thing. Malaria is a horribly debilitating and widespread disease. Good riddance being done with it.

      The bad news is that these early efforts carry unknown risks the good news is that the work is being done by experts in the field. This sort of work will be accessible to hackers in very few years so lets hope that regulated agencies beat them to it. If you thought the nuclear standoff of the cold war years was bad just wait for the biological equivalent. The genie is out of the bottle now, work like this is as much a part of national defense as hyper-sonic missiles.

      I'm not sure where you were going on this. Here's what concerns me, genii and bottle wise. CRISPR is pretty easy to use. My college-aged daughter uses it to experiment on tobacco plants. You can go to a web site and order DNA strands to order, all set up to be edited in. Procedurally, only the knowledge of what to make limits the use of CRISPR.

      So malaria seems a clear case to me. We should eliminate it. What's the next one, guinea worm? Fine, out it goes too. Lyme disease? Sure, gone. The list of pests goes on and on, and no one is going to cry over the top ones. But what happens when we get to pigeons in New York City? They're a pest too. Suppose some bright spark reads up on this, sees how gene drives works, and just tweaks the process to make pigeons sterile? That doesn't seem implausible if this technique becomes well known and is shown to work.

      That's the slippery slope I'm concerned about. We'll get good at eliminating plague species and about the time we've eliminated most of the really nasty ones, people will become less careful and start eliminating annoying but less clearly bad species. That's what I'm worried about and that's what we need to start thinking about now. And I think thinking about it when it's plausible but not actually practical seems a good time for sober consideration.

    2. Re: Welcome to the age of GMO by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      If gene editing technology in fact becomes sn widespread and accessible as you say, that's going to be a big problem. The one saving grace of nuclear weapons - the reason we're all still alive today - is that they are fiendishly difficult and expensive to manufacture.

    3. Re:Welcome to the age of GMO by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      I agree with your concerns and note the availability of some of this technology already. Such has always been the way of technological progress, first in government institutions, then big business and then to many. All the more reason we should see considerable resources devoted to understanding it in places we have some transparency from. The academic world has already loudly disparaged the Chinese HIV human experiment and there will continue to be debates about what is acceptable use. The public appetite for Nationalism worries me because this is yet another issue that requires global attention.

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  7. Youre doing it wrong ! by Kekke · · Score: 1

    In my opinion those insects should be modified so, that the bite would cause the target human unable to produce more humans. And then by all means release the mothafuckers...
    I for one, assume that we can reverse engineer the ability to reproduce when the human population has shrunk to say 1Bil in numbers...
    Win / Win don't You think?
    But noooo, once again, They are doing just the opposite.

    I mean aren't insects going to be extinct anyways in 100-200 hundred years? At least if we are allowed to continue The but rape of this planet ? To Me this is basically an ill logic. Let's kill those insects that are vital for every ecosystem so that those witch are MOST harmful to it can thrive ?

    1. Re:Youre doing it wrong ! by sheramil · · Score: 1

      In my opinion those insects should be modified so, that the bite would cause the target human unable to produce more humans.

      I'm wondering why they're modifying the mosquitoes rather than modifying the Plasmodia.

    2. Re:Youre doing it wrong ! by Kekke · · Score: 1

      In my opinion those insects should be modified so, that the bite would cause the target human unable to produce more humans.

      I'm wondering why they're modifying the mosquitoes rather than modifying the Plasmodia.

      To quote Sunshine The movie:
      Now that, is THE question ?

  8. "Release"? No! by BoRegardless · · Score: 3, Informative

    Using that word in the title implies released into the wild, which is a headline grabber.

    Let's get real.

  9. "assures:that the lab the mosquitos are in is very by I75BJC · · Score: 1

    Just like the secure that housed the African Bees? You know, the Killer Bees? Murphy's Laws assumes that Anything that can go wrong will go wrong! This is the type of mistakes "scientists"make all the time. Beware!

  10. Re: A delicate balance by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They are tropical mosquitoes. They can't survive outdoors in Italy in February. They also can't interbreed with Italian mosquitoes.

    Killing Anopheles (malaria) and Aedes aegypti (yellow fever, dengue, zika) will have little environmental repercussions because other non-vector mosquitoes can fill the same niche. Furthermore, these species are invasive species in many areas, displacing native mosquitoes. So exterminating them can help to restore the natural balance. Many islands, including Hawaii, have no native mosquito species.

  11. Nothing could possibli go wrong by js290 · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Nothing could possibli go wrong by wildfish · · Score: 1

      This is all a bit beyond my detailed understanding but when I read that our current knowledge of horizontal gene transfer between species is quite rudimentary it is concerning. It seems like a possible worst case situation where we wipe out all mosquitoes but how completely can it be discounted. Invasive species of the past are a prime example of humans moving before understanding the ramification. https://www.upi.com/Science_Ne...

    2. Re:Nothing could possibli go wrong by js290 · · Score: 1

      Invasive species of the past are a prime example of humans moving before understanding the ramification.

      "Name one organism that has the concept called invasion..."

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  12. Re:Why does this work at all? by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

    My first thought too. Can an expert explain how this could work, other than on a strictly local and seasonal level?

  13. Re:A delicate balance by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Only about 200 of the 3,500 species of mosquitoes even bite man, and of those there are 5 species that spread disease. The ecosystem will do just fine.

  14. Re: A delicate balance by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They are tropical mosquitoes. They can't survive outdoors in Italy in February.

    Those of us who are older might remember similar claims being made about Africanized Honeybees - yes they were wreaking havoc in South America, but they’d never make it past Panama because they couldn’t survive the climate. And they’d never, EVER make it to the US...

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  15. The only good mosquitoes by rossdee · · Score: 1

    are the ones made of wood
    there are only 4 of them left flying, including one in NZ

  16. Re:Why does this work at all? by r2kordmaa · · Score: 1

    The idea is that the gene passes on through male offspring and dooms only the female offspring. You are right though that evolution selects against it, with only males surviving to pass on their genes, reproduction rate of edited mosquitoes is much reduced. But you can offset that disadvantage by breeding the defective mosquitoes. Release enough of them and you overpower evolutionary pressure trying to remove the defective gene from the gene pool.

  17. "they can't bite and so can't spread malaria" by jessiej · · Score: 1

    the transformed insects have mouths that resemble male mosquito mouths. That means they can't bite and so can't spread the malaria parasite.

    Oh, sweet. So we aren't going to try and get rid of mosquitos completely, just make it so they won't bite people anymore.

    That seems like a much better approach than wiping them off the face of the planet.

    In addition, the insects' reproductive organs are deformed, which means they can't lay eggs. As more and more female mosquitoes inherit two copies of the modification, more and more become sterile.

    fucking hell

  18. Re: A delicate balance by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Informative

    Those of us who are older might remember similar claims being made about Africanized Honeybees

    I am old enough to remember the "killer bee" hysteria. It was a media phenomena, that had little to do with "science".

    And they’d never, EVER make it to the US...

    That is not at all what I remember. The media reports were that killer bees were unstoppable and were going to destroy western civilization.

    What the scientists were saying is that hybrid bees would likely reach the US around 1990 (accurate) and that it would be no big deal (also accurate).

    How many of your friends and neighbors have been victims of "killer bees"?

    About 100 Americans die annually from bee stings, mostly due to allergic reactions. Since 1990, that number has gone down.

  19. Re:Population by nnappe · · Score: 1

    We certainly don't need more humans.
    We do need more developed regions of course, so that the living standard of the existing humans improve. Actually, the development would also help with curbing the amount of humans: high development brings low pop growth.

  20. Re: A delicate balance by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    Sure but there isn't much point to any of it if they don't intend to release them sooner or later. Then again, might be worth the risk. They should try Texas.

  21. Re:Why does this work at all? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    The idea is that the gene passes on through male offspring and dooms only the female offspring.

    The other part of the idea is that the gene copies itself into the matching diploid DNA, so it has twice the propagation rate of a normal gene.

    Most likely there would be enclaves of surviving mosquitoes that would repopulate the species, so the mosquitoes with the gene drive would need to be periodically re-released. But we don't need to kill every one, we just need to reduce R0 to well below one for the mosquito borne diseases.

  22. Re: A delicate balance by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    "and that it would be no big deal (also accurate)."

    Actually that isn't accurate. Overhyped, sure. The damage is much slower but rates of Africanization grow and beekeepers are regularly having hives go African and also are regularly having issue with wild swarms which they could normally safely vacuum up and gain a free new colony being aggressive africanized bees. It may well be that africanized bees are slowly but surely replacing honeybees.

  23. Re: A delicate balance by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    Corn doesn't contain any notable nutrients so how exactly is it supposed to end a famine?

  24. Re:A delicate balance by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    Species die out all the time due to our actions and without us it isn't like the ones which bother us are somehow the magical lynchpins of life and the thousands of random species wiped out every day are insignificant. If you eliminate the biting mosquitoes there probably will be effects we don't anticipate. Just because there is change doesn't mean its all going to end.

  25. Re:Population by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    The elephant in the room is that we don't actually require more humans and more developed regions of the planet.

    Malaria is a major cause of childhood mortality in Africa. High child mortality causes parents to have more children, and to invest fewer resources in each child. Reducing childhood mortality lowers population growth. This has happened repeatedly, over and over, all around the world. It is happening now even in Africa ... except where malaria (or war) is still endemic.

  26. Re:Secure until the power goes off by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    "yeah a failure could result in mosquitoes that are mostly sterile being released into an environment where there is nothing for them to mate with, and that they can't survive in...

    The outcome here could be catastrophic..."

    That is pretending this entire exercise isn't just intellectual masturbation and a waste of effort and funds if they don't release them in an environment with none of those limitations sooner or later. Since they obviously plan to do that anyway I say just get on with it. My back yard is fine. I give permission, don't even have to tell me when you do it.

  27. Re: A delicate balance by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    It may well be that africanized bees are slowly but surely replacing honeybees.

    The "killer" bees are honeybees. African-European hybrid honeybees are replacing European honeybees. Neither is a native species in North America.

    Since the new arrivals are more active, the biggest effect has been increased honey production.

  28. Re: A delicate balance by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

    Corn doesn't contain any notable nutrients so how exactly is it supposed to end a famine?

    Corn/maize is a good source of many minerals and micronutrients, and even contains reasonable amounts of protein, although it is deficient in lysine. Famine victims can't survive indefinitely on a 100% corn diet, but it has plenty of calories, and when combined with pulses (beans and peas) or supplemented with meat, fish, eggs, or dairy, it is nutritious.

    There is more than one type of famine. Kwashiorkor is a type of starvation resulting from a lack of nutrients and protein deficiency, even if calories are adequate. Marasmus is starvation caused by lack of calories. Corn/maize can relieve either.

  29. But Scully will get stung by one by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    And Mulder will have to schlep to Antarctica to rescue her.

  30. Re: A delicate balance by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    To be fair, western civilization does seem to be coughing up blood at the moment. I'm all for blaming the bees.

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  31. Re:A delicate balance by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 1

    What could possibly go wrong...

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  32. Re: A delicate balance by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Corn/maize is a good source of many minerals and micronutrients, and even contains reasonable amounts of protein, although it is deficient in lysine. Famine victims can't survive indefinitely on a 100% corn diet, but it has plenty of calories, and when combined with pulses (beans and peas) or supplemented with meat, fish, eggs, or dairy, it is nutritious.

    And then there's masa, which is substantially more nutritious than unprocessed corn.

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  33. Re:"Release"? No! by Hartree · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but saying "they made the cage bigger" doesn't get clicks for your article.

  34. Bad days for frogs by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Once mosquitoes will be removed, what will frogs eat?

    1. Re:Bad days for frogs by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      This question has been asked a lot, and it's been answered a lot. Google is up there ^. Go find out how many mosquito species are out there, and then find out how many bite humans.

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    2. Re: Bad days for frogs by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      #hubris

  35. Re:A delicate balance by vovin · · Score: 2

    Mosquitoes are *not* a required part of the food web. If all mosquitoes went extinct today there would be no impact at all on the food web.

  36. Safety first :| by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    Personally, I would build said lab in the center of Antarctica where the temps are -60.
    If the mosquitoes made it out of the lab, it would become a mosquito shaped snowflake a few seconds later.

  37. Re: A delicate balance by astrofurter · · Score: 1

    Yeah, totally. Here's a new slogan for you:

    Anthropogenic mass extinction - what could possibly go wrong??!!

  38. Re:A delicate balance by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Well, less animals being infected with disease might actually effect some populations.

    Anybody know offhand what percent of lion kills are infected with a disease transmissible by mosquito?

  39. Re:"Release"? No! by EETech1 · · Score: 1

    GMosquitos have been released before!

    Even Google did it.

  40. The wrong solution to the mosquito problem by CptJeanLuc · · Score: 1

    Taking mosquitoes entirely out of the ecosystem by making them sterile? Very dangerous to the ecosystem.

    On a recent Science Friday episode they discussed another solution which is actually viable, which is to make mosquitoes shy away from human blood. Humans don't get infected, mosquitoes can continue living, the ecosystem can continue functioning as is, everybody wins.

    1. Re:The wrong solution to the mosquito problem by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      The disease carrying species that bite humans are invasive in most of their range, you'd be helping local mosquitos by extirpating them.

  41. I'm sure it sounds good, but by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    "Life, Uh, Finds a Way" Jurassic Park, Dr. Ian Malcolm, 1993.

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  42. Italy climate by Exitar · · Score: 1

    "adding that even if the mosquitos did escape they would not be able to survive Italy's climate"

    Northern Italy here, first outdoor mosquito sighting this year: February 22.

  43. Why in Italy? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Do it in, say, North-Sweden, even IF they escape they freeze before they could do any harm.

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  44. Brazilian GM mosquitoes by jf_moreira · · Score: 1

    Brazil did that two years ago, to good results. https://labiotech.eu/medical/o...

  45. Re: A delicate balance by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    "and when combined with pulses (beans and peas) or supplemented with meat, fish, eggs, or dairy, it is nutritious."

    Then again those things, not supplemented by corn are also nutritious.

  46. Re: Population by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    We don't need more developed regions. Having an exclusion zone controlled by mosquitoes is an effective way to keep this planet's lungs intact. Without any checks on growth the planet will be covered in either concrete, corn fields or palm plantations. I suppose I'm a troll for wanting to keep some areas of the planet off-limits... I'd certainly rather there was a more civilised way to keep green spaces!

  47. Re: A delicate balance by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Parts of Mexico and the US Southwest aren't so different from parts of Africa. I can't imagine why anybody would think those bees would have trouble.

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