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'Captain Marvel' Smashes Box Office Record, Laughs Off Review-Bombing Trolls (hollywoodreporter.com)
"With a $302 million international gross, Captain Marvel has earned $455 million overall to date, the largest ever global opening for a March release and the sixth highest of all-time," reports the Wrap. The superhero movie raked in $153 million just in America, reports Collider, "Suggesting that a sad, extremely vocal minority of idiots on the internet don't actually matter in the slightest."
They're referring to another Rotten Tomateos review-counting glitch Friday morning, as covered by the Hollywood Reporter: The Disney film had only been in theaters for hours on Friday when the female-driven superhero picture was torpedoed online via Rotten Tomatoes. As of 8 a.m., the film had more than 58,000 reviews. That is more than the total of audience score reviews for Avengers: Infinity War for its entire theatrical run.
Rotten Tomatoes explained in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter that a glitch was responsible for thousands of reviews showing up on the site when they shouldn't have. According to Rotten Tomatoes, it had included audience reviews given before the film was released, something which is no longer allowed.
Movieweb believes those pre-release reviews were generated by bots, suggesting a small handful of review-bombers who were attempting to amplify their impact. Yahoo Entertainment believes the attempted review-bombers were angry with the film's star "for, well, not giving a crap about what the trolls say. Perhaps that's the best superpower of all."
When asked about the attempt to review-bomb Captain Marvel, the film's star Brie Larson smilingly replied, "Oh... who cares?"
"Love what you love! Who cares what other people think?"
They're referring to another Rotten Tomateos review-counting glitch Friday morning, as covered by the Hollywood Reporter: The Disney film had only been in theaters for hours on Friday when the female-driven superhero picture was torpedoed online via Rotten Tomatoes. As of 8 a.m., the film had more than 58,000 reviews. That is more than the total of audience score reviews for Avengers: Infinity War for its entire theatrical run.
Rotten Tomatoes explained in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter that a glitch was responsible for thousands of reviews showing up on the site when they shouldn't have. According to Rotten Tomatoes, it had included audience reviews given before the film was released, something which is no longer allowed.
Movieweb believes those pre-release reviews were generated by bots, suggesting a small handful of review-bombers who were attempting to amplify their impact. Yahoo Entertainment believes the attempted review-bombers were angry with the film's star "for, well, not giving a crap about what the trolls say. Perhaps that's the best superpower of all."
When asked about the attempt to review-bomb Captain Marvel, the film's star Brie Larson smilingly replied, "Oh... who cares?"
"Love what you love! Who cares what other people think?"
Bringing more and more anger and division to our pop culture is only hastening a very ugly future...
Agree 100%. But I saw Captain Marvel this morning and, unlike the remake of Ghostbusters or countless other examples, this movie doesn't have an agenda. I was worried from the early news that it might. But Marvel, in this case, did just what I hoped they'd do: Told an origin story that was fun, told us more about the world some of my favorite characters inhabit, and threw in a little 90's nostalgia without being overbearing or stupid. If you're looking for "wokeness," it's not here.
Frankly I never had anything against the movie as such. I didn't KNOW enough about it to make that decision. I just didn't like the actress. And frankly, the only way Miss Marvel was ever relevant in my Nerdverse was as a power source for Rogue.
So I'm not going to pay to see a human battery in the cinema.
Also there was Alita, which rocked. Since I get to see about one film every quarter, that definitely had the more powerful lure for me.
Hmm, I counted 4 males of consequence in that movie: Fury, Coulson, Talos, and Yon-Rogg. Only one of those was a villain.
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Yeah, this is slashdot. Chests here come in XXL and up.
With boobs that big, it is no wonder most of these guys never leave the basement. Well, that, and that they can't reach their shoelaces.
I voted I did not wanted to see. Rotten tomatoes changed 47K do not want to see votes to "liked it". So much for credibility.
It's ... okay. Not great, but an adequate filler in the MCU.
Part of its problem was a middling script that basically put Brie Larson in the position of smirking and making snarky remarks to everyone, posing heroically, and not much else. There wasn't much in the way of character development. Larson was very much overqualified for the role, given what she was asked to do.
I had no skin in this one and wouldn't waste my time on "review bombing," probably done by the marketing department to convince the people paying for the marketing department to increase their wages since it would take so much effort to overcome the "trolling." Obvious psy-op is obvious.
The hate I see is only coming from the trolls. As for the movie, there's no propaganda in it anywhere, it's just a movie. Deal with it.
White males are not the most persecuted people on the planet yet there are a few who feel that they are under siege, and it's ludicrous. Why is this an issue? Have white males been underrepresented so much that they have to unleash their review-bot army to redress their ancient grievances? The video game industry wants to market to everyone, so of course lets add some games where the girl is the hero, or a minority, etc. So what? Why does that generate so much rage? Play a different game. Watch a different movie. Don't go into some holy war over something so stupid.
If white males actually were so underrepresented that you don't see white males in governments, no white males in movies as the stars, white males being underpaid, and so forth, then I can understand the anger. But white males are still on top - maybe not 100% of them, but certainly on average they're on top.
As for games - checking the Steam store just now for games on sale or being features or new releases, the use of white male figures in the marketing shots (where you can see faces) white males are well represented despite the video game industry actively trying to get a broader audience. And just googling for "new games" many of the images that do have females they're often underdressed or anime loli stereotypes. Checking gamestop upcoming releases, the featured game features a male (looking white but in Anime style so is probably Japanese).
They'd have to accept some responsibility for why women don't want anything to do with them. That would mean self-reflection and honest self assessment. Much better to blame women, and attack women wherever they intrude upon their twisted notion of masculinity.
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If you portray terrorists as Allah worshiping mideasterners, you are reflecting reality and truth. That is fine, it is what the world really is- Muslim supremacists destorying all that they can.
Instead, movies have Russian terrorists, pretty much exclusively. At the same time, the media demonizes Russia and has a whole Busb-did-911-tier conspiracy about Russia and Trump.
If anything, it appears that corporations and entire wings of the government are trying to manufacture casus belli as fast as possible.
For what it's worth I've heard #3 and #4 too, from general media reviews.
When even the media are calling out the one dimensionality of the lead character it doesn't bode well for a film - so I'm surprised that it's taken so much money.
Me, I'm skipping it on the grounds I dislike the marketing and publicity approach. Fuck 'em.
Investing into small team of review-bombers is a brilliant marketing move.
Actually the headline should be "Brie Larson makes insanely racist and sexist comments and ignorant moviegoers see it anyway."
That's most certainly not how it was marketed. Marvel and Brie Larson have went out of their way to insist that it's a unabashedly feminist film, even going so far as to release it on International Women's Day. If it is "just a movie," then they have done it a grave disservice by trying to market it as something with a very clear feminist agenda.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Marvel didn't spread division. Some guys got upset over one quote out of context by the lead actress, that's it.
Expecting actors and anyone else involved to never have said anything to offend anyone ever is unrealistic and done purely to create drama and division. There are people trying to manufacture a backlash against people they consider to be "SJWs", but for all the noise they make most people really don't care.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I think that might be a bit of an oversimplification. The overseas market really doesn't care too much about any political message agenda a film might or might not have unless it targets them in some way. I've seen plenty of foreign films that supposedly have political messages that go completely over my head since I'm not familiar with what was going on in the country, so it doesn't stand out to me.
Also Ghostbusters wasn't shown in China because the government has a thing about showing films that contain ghosts or spirits in them so it didn't get any boost from China that other films would get. I guess there's a new Ghostbusters that's getting made that's supposed to be a sequel to the first two, but unless it gets the original cast back outside of cameos, I don't think it will do much better than the previous reboot attempt. Even then, I don't really know if it will be anything but a shameless cash grab.
I think this goes to show how much everyone overreacted to some idiots trying to bot online numbers. I think it just goes to show that people need to get out more. It only seems like people give a shit about any of this because there's a small group of busy bodies on social media that don't have anything better to do and end up sounding a lot louder than they number in reality.
Wait... you're telling me that a sci-fi / fantasy / capeshit property is using allegory to make social commentary?
Wait! What? Al Gore is in Captain Marvell too?
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Having your star go on every talk show bragging about it being a feminist film, insisting on dividing her interviewers up by race and gender, and releasing it on International Women's Day are not suggestive of a studio "not looking to spread division." In fact, division seems to be the very cornerstone of their entire marketing campaign. Contrast that with the way DC marketed Wonder Woman and the almost universally positive reaction that film got, from fans of every political and social stripe.
I think Marvel knew exactly what they were doing. They're crassly playing on ugly social and political divisions, in hopes of it paying off in ticket sales. And sadly, initial box office results suggest that it worked.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Personally, I'm just turned off the entire Marvel brand. I've been a huge fan of their movies for many years, but now they just leave a rotten taste in my mouth. I don't think I'll watch their movies any more. I'm hesitant to even write this post, because I really just want to disengage from the whole thing. I feel kind of sad that something that brought a lot of joy to my life got poisoned with identity politics.
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Sorry, I'm not wading through the utter bullshit Google will find that consists of more nonsense such as that to which I replied.
Strange that you utterly ignored my point that the people being written off (as though their sexual escapades are remotely fucking relevant) as incels are happy viewers of other female led superhero films. I guess it breaks your narrative.
It's more that geeks have become sick and tired of Those Geeks. You know the type: the ones who weren't bullied for being different so much as ostracized for being creepy, and ran to the all-ostracism-is-evil crowd to escape the social pressure to grow that they so desperately needed? They've abused our generosity long enough, and it's time to put them back on the outside where they always belonged.
I mean there is some measure you can get of the character of the Marvel company when you recall that they used Stan Lee's twitter account post mortem to push the movie.
Can you more blatantly display that you have lost touch with your customer base?
I don't exactly know about CM... I know that the l8ve of a fan shines all through Alita... I just don't get that vibe from a company necromancing a beloved old man for profit...
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Wait, wanting to support International Women's Day by releasing your film on it (or more likely just cashing in, whatever) is divisive now?
As I said, it's only a small number of snowflakes who get triggered and try to bomb the user scores on these things, most people either don't care or think it's a good thing.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I would be curious how many girls watch the movie. But I doubt it's many.
My daughter was excited to wait for this movie, as are most of her friends. She's 15, in high school.
The Marvel Cinematic Universe is pretty main stream and a lot of young girls are watching the films.
We didn't get to it this weekend, but I'm sure we'll end up watching it on video if we don't manage to get to the theater while it's still out.
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Spoiler alert for the whole post.
1. There are explicit references to past sexism in the movie but I am not sure where the "comically-over-the-top sexist men" comment comes from. Certainly, at a critical moment seen also in the trailers when she is gathering her strength, she refers to herself as a human and not as a woman. Also certainly, the one male who gets center stage throughout the movie, Nick Fury, is not depicted as sexist.
2. Truth be told, there is a villain female too. None are supposed to be human and the chief villain apparently has no form but its persona visible to us is female.
3. This mostly true. She does steal some clothes and a motorcycle for no reason. But it seems to be just very weak homage to terminator 2. Otherwise, I agree. What is worse, Brie Larson seems to have trouble conveying any emotional subtlety here. The movie starts when she cannot sleep because she is so troubled by the dreams. But she speaks evenly, has no sweat and shows no outward sign of inner turmoil. She is a good actress so perhaps she was just counting all the money Marvel just paid her. In any case, this is my least favorite part of the movie.
4. Captain Marvel is presented as basically an MCU version of Superman. She is given so much power that you never feel she is at risk of failing. And no kryptonite in sight. Then again, MCU has rarely had good villains. This is just an extreme version of a long tradition.
5. Frankly, the music was so heavy handed that I started tuning it out long before the climactic scene. And I do not mean, feminist heavy handed. I mean the score itself felt like it traded all good taste for that extra bit of pathos.
So in my view, CM was not a good movie, but it is not as bad as Superman IV. I think it is pretty much OK for a March movie.
I saw it today. Yes, it was good. My wife and I both enjoyed it, and that's all I really care about.
If you are the kind of person who sees a powerful female lead and tries to explain your feeling of inadequacy as "I don't hate women, just SJWs", well, you're gonna hate it. But we all expected that. There are interesting and powerful women and men in this movie; some of each are good and some are evil. Kinda like life. There is a theme of "you have your own power; nobody else controls it", which will resonate well with women but also with men.
If you are the kind of person who likes seeing good guys as good and bad guys as bad, with no shades of grey, well, you'll hate it.
But if you want a movie with a young (and very emotive) Nick Fury, a bland-as-always Coulson, many fights and explosions, a good sound track of 90s music, and the usual Marvel wisecracks, then go see it.
The term "Feminist" is so subjective that it really only serves as a floor: a film where the woman is nothing but a love interest or a damsel in distress is not feminist because the woman is acted upon by the events in the film rather than driving them.
This is a movie where the superhero is a woman, therefore it is feminist unless she is texting Nick Fury all the time asking for permission.
You have posted an awful lot in this thread about a film you haven't seen and complained that the film was divisively marketed. Is this anger and division coming from anyone but the men complaining that men are not fairly represented?
In James Bond films, the woman are at best help-mates, and at worst murderous vixens, yet Feminist criticism is (for the most part) correctly derided and ignored as doctrinaire and humorless. Now there are legions of men who turn into scolds and vandals worse than bellbottom-wearing, hairy-armpit feminists when a movie has some of the roles reversed. It's just a movie, don't try to shoehorn your identity politics into it.
Everything you say is true as far as it goes, but I'm not sure it's useful. The incels start hearing it and tune out. If you want to get through to them in any sense, you have to use something they won't just ignore right away.
I always preferred the term "bitter unfuckables" to "incels" for that reason, but using their own chosen name is a good way to delay the argument, offering more opportunity to hit the right nerves.
Does every movie have to have a straight while male good guy now?
What is the logic here, that it's some kind of subtle attack on white males? How does that work?
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
When I went to see it the theater was almost empty, while the cinema as a whole had as large a crowd as I've ever seen on a Saturday. I wonder if these numbers are correct?
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1) The hero is potrayed as constantly having been kicked down and told she's not good enough, exclusively by comically-over-the-top sexist men.
Not sure who told you that, but since that is ludicrously false you should treat all stories from that source with suspicion from now on. Spoilers!
I cannot think of a single scene where she is "kicked down". We see a series of scenes from her past where she failed; sometimes men were there and sometimes not. There is a line like "women could not fly combat missions, so the only way we could contribute was by being experimental test pilots"; if that fits your comment, then you and I will likely never agree on anything.
In fact, the main person "keeping her down" is a female (more would be very spoilery).
2) SPOILER ALERT The one white male in the film who is her ally turns out to be the villain.
Well, if you assume that Agent Coulson isn't a white male, then maybe? But the "white male" is a villain, as are the others on his mixed-gender-and-species team. And (more spoilers) an alien played by a white male turned out to be a good guy.
Not worth refuting these one-by-one. Too many people believe what they want to believe and tune out what doesn't fit their notions.
Who's being attacked?
Literally nobody has argued that the people who love comic books, rate WW highly, and flocked to see Alita, want to see Captain Marvel fail.
The OP's comment was about incels, which, while inaccurate, is used as a kinda catch-all term for Internet misogynists largely because Incels are a rather prominent subgroup of said misogynists. Many are claiming they enjoyed WW and Alita, but there's little evidence for that - in fact, I seem to recall they hated WW at the time too.
Your confusion may possibly be because a sizable number of the IMs decided to promote a bizarre Alita vs CA fight just before Captain America was released, but that hardly means they ever liked Alita (and frankly, Alita is about a female looking killer robot, so I'm confused as to why liking Alita means jack shit about your feminist bona fides anyway.)
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Pretending like you weren't bullied for a good reason I see?
No, actually. The reason for my ostracism wasn't exactly the same as yours, but it was close enough for most purposes. I also faced some bullying -even fair targets can be treated unfairly- but really, most of it what happened to me was as fair for me as it was for you.
The process of coming to understand this was extremely unpleasant. Having been in your position, I don't envy you. But there was no other way I was ever going to learn. Just like there's no other way for you. You've had years to prove it, like I did.
Just like creeps need to be put in their place so nerds and geeks need to understand that their social inadequacy is not acceptable in the real world.
Still no. I was basically one of Those Geeks, just as you are. I need to be clear about this: the geek community was founded by the unfairly targeted, and only co-opted for abuse by the fair targets later. Most of us are just fine, even though some of us are not. But the ones who aren't are the ones who ruin everything for everybody.
They need to learn to interact normally with people just like everyone else.
There is no "just like": society can withstand quite a large range of social interaction and function. This is perhaps one of the hardest lessons I had to learn, as, I suspect, it is for you: that just because my behavior and interactions were unacceptable doesn't mean that there's only one acceptable way to behave or interact. But there are boundaries.
The bar is low, but it exists, and it is necessary. Only once I understood all three parts of that sentence could I even begin to improve things, by improving myself. And so it is, I suspect, for you as well.
1. This plat point is relatively downplayed, and is shown from a stance o faulty memory. The scene was less about her being a woman, but just being told she cannot do that, only SPOILER ALERT to show her resolve and getting up to try again after her memories returned. Being that these memories were from the 1970's and 1980's where historically they had Men and Woman's roles in society. The AI which was manipulating the was a shown as a women as well.
2. Technically that was an Alien, the white human male with a major roll was Agent Coulson, who was a good guy.
3. Her flaws is her self doubt, and controlling her temper. But this is similar to most of the Marvel Movie introductions. Captain America was always the good guy, he just got powers, but it didn't change his personality, just how other see him, and what he can do.
4. The challenge is her changing alliances (I think they could had done it a little more dramatically), Overnight she had learned who the good guys are and who the bad guys are changed overnight.
5. I keep on hearing that shows that have a strong female lead being heavy handed, while the fact that she was a woman, had little to do with the plot of the movie, Yes it was brought it . But it never was a major point.
Perhaps you should have watched the movie before doing criticism on it. There are just too many people Afraid of Liberal Hollywood, and project the clumsy tropes of the past onto these newer shows.
As a Middle Class White Christian Male, who live in a rural area. Diversity isn't scary or is it threatening to me and my way of life. I notice differences in how other act and react to problems, however these differences give me new perspectives on new problems.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Since the movie has nothing about SJWs or Manspreading in it, then yes, you can enjoy the movie. In fact, taking sides is the best way to not enjoy it. No matter what side you take, you can always find something to complain about.
Uhh you must have missed Brie Larson on the promo circuit saying "I don't need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn't work about A Wrinkle in Time. It wasn't made for him! " (so apparently you can't be a critic of a movie unless you are the correct skin color and sex, I guess someone should go tell The Black Nerd on YouTube he is fucked) and her touting the movie was "made with intersectional feminism" so sorry, you can buy the bullshit all you want but the star of the movie was waving a big ass political flag as high and as hard as she could possibly swing the damn thing.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Found my wallet. Just thought you guys should know. I was getting worried.
Also there was Alita, which rocked. Since I get to see about one film every quarter, that definitely had the more powerful lure for me.
Sadly, no it didn't. It wasn't god awful... didn't make me angry... But it was AT BEST serviceable.
That's if one ignores huge and pointless plot contrivances which would mar any movie (seriously, Rodriguez is barely a mediocre director), terrible dialogue and generally bad writing very much in the vein of Kalogridis' work on Altered Carbon and Terminator Genisys.
That movie should have been a new Star Wars... a work of fiction reshaping and presenting philosophical ideas to the general audience.
Also it should have felt a lot more like Mad Max and a lot less like... hell... Zootopia.
And I don't mean the uncanny valley eyes (an immediate giveaway that the movie makers don't understand the work they are adapting) - I mean the color scheme and the general feeling of cheeriness.
Not one moment did I feel that anyone in that world was a survivor of any kind of hardship.
It's supposed to be a post-apocalyptic world of cyborgs and mutants. A desperate world, built out of scrap and garbage of the old one.
Not an occasionally somewhat dangerous yet oddly kid-friendly global melting pot with what I can only imagine as a Walmart on every block filled with brand new and colorful clothes and various other casually flashed gear.
But I did notice this fake "rivalry" online.
Alita being somehow an opposite to Captain Marvel... and its "toxic feminism"... "toxic femininity"... by the usual members of the sad and pathetic ass-clown army.
One more reason I'm glad this movie has practically no chance for a sequel. Even on paper it barely broke even...
And knowing how long it was in development (for a while it seemed all that would come out if it is a passing resemblance of Dark Angel to the source material) - I suspect that it drags a LOT more in pre-production cost and how much Cameron will be taking for himself.
I'm inclined to believe its "break even" point is closer to 500 million or more.
Hell... at one time it was Alita or Avatar. It was supposed to make THAT much.
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No, it have to have well written characters regardless of the gender, not some uni-dimensional "safe" mary sue/gary stu.
There are better examples out there like well, wonder woman.
Every white male was a villain and every female was flawless? Apparently you didn’t see the movie.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Its still a cat, not some giant space panther or some giant tentacle monster like in Guardians II, its a fricking cat.
I mean Good Lord its Nick Fury and he loses his eye in some throw away scene? For fucks sake the annoying kid on Walking Dead got a more dramatic eye loss than the head of Shield, Samuel "bad motherf*cker" Jackson deserved a hell of a lot better.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Victims of white suprematists in the U.S. by far outnumber the victims of Allah worshipping mideasterners. So why not have a movie about them?
There's plenty of legitimate arguments against what people were actually upset about, reducing it to the strawman "omg they're sexists mad because it's a female lead!" is inaccurate and demonstrates you're every bit as intellectually dishonest as the people you're criticizing. Brie Larson has made statements objecting to white men reviewing her movies and making up too much of the press pool, such as saying about A Wrinkle In Time "I don't need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn't work about A Wrinkle in Time. It wasn't made for him!".
If you want to argue about whether that's actually anti-white male instead of pro-diversity, that's a valid debate, so instead you set up the ol' strawman and claim people were mad that a woman was given the lead in a superhero movie, which was never the issue and the same group of people love movies like Aliens, Terminator, and Wonder Woman- all movies with tough female leads. Typical sjw tactic to avoid the actual argument by painting all critics as sexists/racists. More and more people are getting sick of nonsense like that; take the statement I quoted above, if you changed 'white' to any other race, you'd be screaming about the blatant racism. A lot of people have a real problem with this idea that bigotry isn't wrong in principle, but only wrong if it's against non-whites. Then there's the fact that even milder statements are decried as 'dog-whistles' for racism, then you'll try to argue even blatant anti-white-male statements aren't.
People who resent sexism and racism as wrong in principle instead of perfectly fine if the identity groups are right are sick of the harm sjws are doing to social justice and the regressive stance on civil rights progressives favor.
Interesting that Wonder Woman has suddenly become a great example of a recent female lead movie, despite at the time there being all the same rage over it being extremely sexist. Remember that photo of the crew that was all female? And the complaints that Gal Gadot wasn't as hot or busty as Linda Carter?
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
No, I don't remember any of that. But then again I don't go around looking for things to be outraged about like you do ...
Aww, mad to discover that even the geeks never really wanted you around, and only tolerated you out of misguided pity?
3.3 was the User Score for Metacritic and RT deleted 55,000 Audience Scores. Take any side you want. Disney probably spent 500 million promoting the movie and making sure it played every 10 minutes all weekend in theaters.
In this case I'll gladly defer to your expertise.
A great way to avoid identity politics in movies is to do what I do and stay off Twitter, Reddit, and any other platform that gives a voice to the masses. I don't notice most of the "horrible indiscretions" on my own (probably because they aren't worth noticing) and without the outrage police screaming in my ear from either the right or the left I get to just watch and like or dislike a movie or show without a bunch of lame drama just like I used to years ago.
I would think this would work for anybody who doesn't care about the outrage machine and identity politics. Without some one constantly telling you to be outraged, it's much easier to let things that really just dont matter slide by.
Sadly though, this would never do a thing for those that want to be outraged. They'll keep finding reasons to be outraged because deep down that's what they want.
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Marvel took what approach? Because all I see are:
1. A trailer being released six months ago.
2. The usual Internet Misogynists responding in the usual stupid way (mostly about Brie Larson not smiling enough.)
3. Most of the comics community laughing at the misogynists.
4. The misogynists deciding that the movie must, thus, be an "SJW" film because they got laughed at for being shitheads.
5. Six months of re-interpretation of everything Brie Larson says to imply she hates white men. There's even an AC in this thread arguing she hates men because... she once mentioned, critically, the fact she was sexually harassed by a TSA officer. Two years before the film was released.
There's been nothing divisive about how the film was marketed, and contrary to the gaslighting I'm seeing by you and others, WW was attacked by the usual IMs at the time too. Alita? No, but what does Alita have to do with literally anything at all, given it's about a robot who happens to appear like, eyes excepting, a girl? It says everything that the average IM thinks they can pretend liking a film about a robot somehow means they're not motivated by misogyny when they attack Captain Marvel.
The entire controversy was whipped up by IMs. Marvel's done damage control, but they've not said a single thing that can be construed as anti-anyone other than anti-misogynists-who-hate-this-movie-before-theyve-even-seen-it. And if it's "divisive" to say "People whose hatred of women means they're running bizarre campaigns to reduce the ratings on Rotten Tomatoes of a movie they've never watched", then... I guess it fits that definition, but that's not the definition most people use.
Not seen the film. Not particularly bothered by it generally but nonetheless feeling like I can't trust a single review at the moment thanks to the IMs poisoning the well again. This is a repeat of the same shit we saw with Ghostbusters (which turned out to be awful), Wonder Woman (which turned out to be good, great if you exclude the last 20 minutes), and Black Panther (which turned out to be great, period.)
Stop blaming Marvel for what an anti-women campaign that had nothing to do with them. And stop interpreting the lifting up of minority voices as being an attack on white men, it's ridiculous.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
By someone with the power to make your life a living hell if you refuse?
Yes. Yes it is.
Is it the worst form of sexual harassment? No, but it is sexual harassment.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
So basically Captain Marvel was a sexist movie because Brie Larson said 2 things you didn't like?
One of them not even about the Captain Marvel movie no less...
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Since when is "society has a legitimate right and need to expect a certain level of functionality from its members, and you don't measure up" mental gymnastics?
Its not as if this clown has seen the movie in question though... I went to see it and it was absolutely not divisive and people saying that it is either haven't seen it and are trolling or are serious fucking snowflakes getting offended at nothing. How he claims to have liked other movies is irrelevant.
"In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson
Indeed.
They just bomb because people assume that it was just a shitty writer, instead of someone scared to death to add any flaws on the character due the character's gender.
Brie Larson has made statements objecting to white men reviewing her movies and making up too much of the press pool, such as saying about A Wrinkle In Time "I don't need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn't work about A Wrinkle in Time. It wasn't made for him!".
That quote was about A Wrinkle in Time? I've barely paid attention to the crazed baby fight over Ms Marvel as all this stuff has been making my roll my eyes painfully hard for a while. I thought someone said she said that about Ms Marvel. And my thoughts on that were: "Did she write the movie? Because unless the director says that as well I don't think that the goal of the movie should be considered "ME HATE MEN"
Hell a ton of people tried to say "NO WATCH BLACK PANTHER WHITE MAN" yet the movie ended with T'Challa saying we should all treat each other as the same tribe. Some people tried to say "WONDER WOMAN FOR GIRL POWER DIE BOYS" yet no one left the movie calling it toxic feminism or whatever. This crap.
Marvel's done damage control, but they've not said a single thing that can be construed as anti-anyone other than anti-misogynists-who-hate-this-movie-before-theyve-even-seen-it.
Well... As it was described to me, the primary instigator was this:
“Am I saying I hate white dudes?” asked the Oscar-winning “Room” actress, a question that she’d repeat twice more during her speech. She answered with a sneer, “No, I’m not [but if] you make the movie that is a love letter to women of color, there is an insanely low chance a woman of color will have a chance to see your movie and review your movie.”
Larson continued, “[Audiences] are not allowed enough chances to read public discourse on these films by the people that the films were made for. I do not need a 70-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work for him about ‘[A] Wrinkle in Time.’ It wasn’t made for him. I want to know what it meant to women of color, to biracial women, to teen women of color, to teens that are biracial.”
Calling for greater inclusivity among film critics is all well and good, but saying that white men can't or shouldn't critique a given film is discriminatory. "White men should know their place."
In a vacuum, what she said here would not be terrible. It's easy to see her intention and the discriminatory aspect can be overlooked, as it was not her goal. (Though I do think it would be a mistake even in a vacuum; stories are how we connect to one another. If you craft your story in such an exclusionary way then you're missing the point.) However, this was not in a vacuum: ranting about 'white men' is a trigger for many people, since it's rapidly become an acceptable form of racism in certain contexts. And not tiny limited contexts that no one pays attention too, consider the story about Sarah Jeong. That's a tough nut.
So... I'm not disagreeing with your main point, some people certainly blew this out of proportion, but it's not quite as spontaneous as you're suggesting.