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'Captain Marvel' Smashes Box Office Record, Laughs Off Review-Bombing Trolls (hollywoodreporter.com)
"With a $302 million international gross, Captain Marvel has earned $455 million overall to date, the largest ever global opening for a March release and the sixth highest of all-time," reports the Wrap. The superhero movie raked in $153 million just in America, reports Collider, "Suggesting that a sad, extremely vocal minority of idiots on the internet don't actually matter in the slightest."
They're referring to another Rotten Tomateos review-counting glitch Friday morning, as covered by the Hollywood Reporter: The Disney film had only been in theaters for hours on Friday when the female-driven superhero picture was torpedoed online via Rotten Tomatoes. As of 8 a.m., the film had more than 58,000 reviews. That is more than the total of audience score reviews for Avengers: Infinity War for its entire theatrical run.
Rotten Tomatoes explained in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter that a glitch was responsible for thousands of reviews showing up on the site when they shouldn't have. According to Rotten Tomatoes, it had included audience reviews given before the film was released, something which is no longer allowed.
Movieweb believes those pre-release reviews were generated by bots, suggesting a small handful of review-bombers who were attempting to amplify their impact. Yahoo Entertainment believes the attempted review-bombers were angry with the film's star "for, well, not giving a crap about what the trolls say. Perhaps that's the best superpower of all."
When asked about the attempt to review-bomb Captain Marvel, the film's star Brie Larson smilingly replied, "Oh... who cares?"
"Love what you love! Who cares what other people think?"
They're referring to another Rotten Tomateos review-counting glitch Friday morning, as covered by the Hollywood Reporter: The Disney film had only been in theaters for hours on Friday when the female-driven superhero picture was torpedoed online via Rotten Tomatoes. As of 8 a.m., the film had more than 58,000 reviews. That is more than the total of audience score reviews for Avengers: Infinity War for its entire theatrical run.
Rotten Tomatoes explained in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter that a glitch was responsible for thousands of reviews showing up on the site when they shouldn't have. According to Rotten Tomatoes, it had included audience reviews given before the film was released, something which is no longer allowed.
Movieweb believes those pre-release reviews were generated by bots, suggesting a small handful of review-bombers who were attempting to amplify their impact. Yahoo Entertainment believes the attempted review-bombers were angry with the film's star "for, well, not giving a crap about what the trolls say. Perhaps that's the best superpower of all."
When asked about the attempt to review-bomb Captain Marvel, the film's star Brie Larson smilingly replied, "Oh... who cares?"
"Love what you love! Who cares what other people think?"
I guess you guys can go upstairs and complain to your mommies?
But it doesn't make society any better, does it? Bringing more and more anger and division to our pop culture is only hastening a very ugly future in which we are at open war over our racial, ethnic, and gender divisions.
I much preferred the Wonder Woman approach myself. Give us a great story and a great hero who unites us--not a propaganda piece that only ramps up the hate.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
People just couldn't wait to see in full 3D IMAX Captain Marvel beat the crap out of the old lady in the bus. :)
Everyone knows what a piece of crap Rotten tomatoes is, and how bad Brie Larson acts in the Captain Marvel movie - and how much Disney pays to quash negative reviews.
Rotten tomatoes is the definition of a Rotten movie review site, all thanks to Disney. They're become like IGN now, being spoilt by large studios like EA and being paid to sell terrible games.
If anything the review bombing shows, is that it did happen in the past for many DC movies, and they quietly let it slip; Now that the focus has turned on a horrible Marvel movie, they've decided to address it. It's these double standards that we as movie watchers should care about. Don't let Disney get away with it.
If the movie is crap, review it and let people know how bad it is. Send Marvel a message and teach Disney a lesson it will not forget.
One site had a bunch of people say they weren't going to go see it. News hungry sites and YouTubers pounced on it like a dog on steak because the anti SJW crap gets clicks. We're all being played for ad revenue. It's pissing me off and I can't do anything about it except point out.
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Cue the counter-narrative that the troll bombs were an inside job, furthering two parallel agendas:
* to drive insta-guerrilla publicity for the movie
* to discredit word-of-mouth review
In the almost-as-large-as-life MCU, this wouldn't even count as a least mustard-seed of a standard-issue dastardly plot.
I voted I did not wanted to see. Rotten tomatoes changed 47K do not want to see votes to "liked it". So much for credibility.
I had no skin in this one and wouldn't waste my time on "review bombing," probably done by the marketing department to convince the people paying for the marketing department to increase their wages since it would take so much effort to overcome the "trolling." Obvious psy-op is obvious.
That depends ... are the showings over-saturated in those areas? All it takes for near-empty theaters for some showings is for there to be near-identical times at a good theater and a shitty theater in the same area, and enough showings that you can just wait for the next showing at the good theater.
When did the left collectively decide that throwing around the term "incel" is a useful way of signalling ones social justice purity? I am absolutely baffled that the same people that purport to be harbingers of equality for all humans of any race, gender, class, creed, etc, constantly espouse this idea that society is unjust towards certain minorities, and that society should correct itself to collectively resolve the inequalities, while at the same time, casually using the pejorative short form of involuntary celibacy as a "hah, take that boogie man pepe loving nazi scum" as a ad-hominem blanket attack against this giant strawman. "These people can't get laid, they fucking suck! Fuck them! Yeah! Nazis can't get laid! People who can't get laid become Nazis! I am awesome. Fuck incels!". It makes you sound like the prototypical 80's movie jock who shit talks the scrawny pimpled freckly nerd kid who everybody ostracizes because it comes out they are a virgin. That's what you sound like. Like that asshole. Like a prototypical 80's movie jock douche bag asshole.
It is absolutely immature and a sign of intellectual weakness to categorically lump entire segments of the population into this "incel" group for every instance where there is dissent or resistance to the popular media norms. It's actually very robotic and sheep-like to see those wielding the incel label.
Maybe you should grow the fuck up.
“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
- George Orwell, 1984
They'd have to accept some responsibility for why women don't want anything to do with them. That would mean self-reflection and honest self assessment. Much better to blame women, and attack women wherever they intrude upon their twisted notion of masculinity.
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Reviews sway the opinions of those who are weak-minded, may not reflect the true quality of the [thing] may actually be paid for.
Examples: The Final Countdown. Dreadful reviews. Love the film. Down Periscope: Dreadful reviews. Love the film.
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If someone needs reviews to decide they like something, they're susceptible to Jedi Mind Tricks and are easy plunder.
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
Is whether a movie is any good. I don’t care about the trolls, who never venture far from the rocks they cower under anyway. And I don’t care about the flag-wavers like this review writer - feel free to listen to your Helen Reddy album on continuous loop, just don’t insist I sing along.
I don’t care what an actor’s or actress’ opinion is, I only care whether they can act. When performers think they’re bigger than they are, we get Clint Eastwood rambling to an empty chair or Morgan Fairchild explaining why the common folk need to be told what to think about the issues of the day.
I’m almost certainly not going to see this movie in the theater anyway. By the time it’s available to watch in my home, the dust will have settled - I can ask my friends whether they’ve see it and if it’s any good. But good grief... it’s just a movie.
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Investing into small team of review-bombers is a brilliant marketing move.
Trolls like you are part of the problem. You're making the world a shittier, more hateful place. Now go apologize to your parents for letting them down.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
My problem is that Marvel annoys me. It annoys me that a comic book company has come to be such an important factor in movie making. I don't like superhero-type comics. They are PlasticFantasticFake.
It has Marvel involved in it. It's bound to be comic book trash.
Or maybe both can be true? Sometimes theaters in some regions have some showtimes that people don't show up to, even on uncontroversially super popular movies?
I think it's *way* less likely that a company is going to over-report incomes, and therefore volunteer for income tax, in order to... ...
I don't even know what the motivation would be for this.
Who are these 'incels' and why do you think they wanted to sink this movie?
I'm being serious here, because you appear to be fucking deluded and talking utter bollocks, because the people I've heard expressing disappointment with Captain Marvel are the very same people that enjoyed Wonder Woman and are making Alita: Battle Angel a surprise success. Y'know, superhero films headed by women.
Actually the headline should be "Brie Larson makes insanely racist and sexist comments and ignorant moviegoers see it anyway."
Let me Google that for you: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=incels+ca...
Not nerds: manchildren. There's a difference.
I don't care about the film (I don't like any movie super heroes AT ALL, only deadpool and mostly only for the 4th wall humour - without the 4th wall humour I would not bother watching). But one thing I remark is that the first openning is not that important for any film. What is important is 1) is this sustainable after word of mouth (e.g. 155M 1st week end and 3M next is bad) and 2) how does it compare with the long tail (e.g. some film do much better on the dvd market than in cinema). I am just saying that they should wait a bit before jubilating with their chicken counting. As for the controversy.... I am not even sure there was that much. One was about rotten tomatoe "i want to watch i don't want to watch" prediction, another thing was by the blonde actress can't remember her name, but compared to say ghostbuster 2016 ? It was tame.
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I'm skipping this one and holding out for Shazam instead.
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Not really. I'm really more of an opportunist than anything else; I don't go out of my way to find them, I just snipe when the chance crosses my path. I also don't have to go out of my way to find them, given their increasing crises for the relevance that they don't deserve and aren't ready for.
I should point out that the current movie era, dominated by cartoon tent-poles, is based on network effects. Remember those? We used to discuss them on Slashdot back in the day.
As movies gained international markets, there was a marked effect on the quality of your typical movie, which I've dubbed Dialogue for Dummies. The strong, silent protagonist of the 1950s made a splashing comeback, simply because it was easier to dub into a dozen major international markets. Witty repartee does not translate. Subtleties are inevitably Lost in Translation.
The second effect is that this particular style of movie-making was garnering ever and ever larger budgets. The increase in the special effects budget helped to retain the traditional English-language markets (America, the Commonwealth, and its lingering enclaves—mainly English-speaking regions of Eastern India) due to far inferior dialogue and story line.
I watched Incredibles 2 the other night, and I managed to enjoy it, because I've learned how to best tune out the plot, and there's so much going on visually, you can actually pick out where all the intelligence formerly devoted to the script went to ground.
This is why almost all tent-pole humour is now visual there's nothing to lose in translation, and people who care about the lame plot will barely even notice it's also in there (so they don't end up feeling left out). Plus it's hard for reviewers to write about the visual humour, because it's usually aggressively sub-verbal (quirky nods to artistic conventions from decades past) so it can't even be pointed out to the dunderheads with any great force that they're definitely missing the best part.
Long ago, I didn't suspect the word "globalization" spelled the end for intelligent dialogue in film, to be replaced by a bag of seventeen colour-coded hammers, each endowed with a distinctive visual style and unique superpower, to be "shown not told" to a tedious extreme not even replicated by 1980s television which presumed you had been off watching two other channels during every commercial break, and thus recapped every recap twice over.
My most fascinating movie experience recently was watching Isle of Dogs (2018) more or less back-to-back with Up (2009). Both movies feature talking dogs. One of these films was widely misunderstood by idiots to be a grievous grievance-studies pillory of Japanese cultural tropes, never mind that the Japan represented in this movie was painstakingly constructed out of the whole cloth of how American culture actually encodes Japan (surely the Japanese have the same naive cultural encoding of America, which this movie invites you to contemplate, if you're not already lathering about the primacy of the thing, rather than the primacy of the perception of the thing). Because of the current tent-pole phenomena, the younger generation seems to be well on the way to forgetting that the primary subject matter of creative fiction is reality as refracted through perception.
I think Wes Anderson explores the world of meta-attention, which is why he's not a great story teller on his own terms. But none of these tent-pole movies have a great story, either. Incredibles 2: bitter orphan v. smarmy orphan, a kind of orphan Rashomon story (neither of whom has forgotten their original name, but I guess you can't have everything). No, it hasn't really been done before—except the "orphan" part, which has been done to death.
Wes does a great job of engaging the hypertrophic alternate attention I've had to cultivate merely to make it through your average five-star tent-pole movie (I won't even touch a four-star effort).
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Sorry, I'm not wading through the utter bullshit Google will find that consists of more nonsense such as that to which I replied.
Strange that you utterly ignored my point that the people being written off (as though their sexual escapades are remotely fucking relevant) as incels are happy viewers of other female led superhero films. I guess it breaks your narrative.
It's more that geeks have become sick and tired of Those Geeks. You know the type: the ones who weren't bullied for being different so much as ostracized for being creepy, and ran to the all-ostracism-is-evil crowd to escape the social pressure to grow that they so desperately needed? They've abused our generosity long enough, and it's time to put them back on the outside where they always belonged.
Yeah, what about the Nazis always being the bad guys in movies. They also always white and male. That's totally racist and sexist!
Umm. But why? Why would the very people that love comic books, rate Wonder Woman highly and recently flocked to see Alita: Battle Angel want to see this movie fail, and just what the fuck does it have to do with their masculinity?
You're making wild spurious claims and I'm seeing no evidence, no facts, just idiotic name calling.
it's now officially impossible to have an opinion or discussion about this film, because it's become nothing more than a political litmus test. It's funny-- I don't think there has ever been a movie in the history of film where the conversation around the film has so thoroughly degenerated into a politically-motivated pissing contest. Even films with an overt and hard-edged political or social message, like "Do The Right Thing", were still viewed as works of art, which you could discuss as *films* first and as political statements second.
I think that trolls on both sides of the political spectrum share precisely equal amounts of blame for this situation.
Of course, the steadily (in some instances, rapidly) increasing ticket prices over the years had no effect upon that accolade.
Who hired the bots?
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", the largest ever global opening for a March release", For march O'Rly ?
The movie had a U.S. take of 153 million prior to review bruhaha it was targeted at 180 million so it had an underperform of roughly 20%
Stirring up the controversy may have been able to buy them a good opening for the movie. (I have no idea if it's good or bad Hell who pays 20 bucks to see a movie when there's bit torrent and 60 inch monitors)
Thanks to new ownership and a wide understanding that comments are forever Slashdot is no longer an effective medium for discourse on many topics. This is but one of them. It may not be a #metoo echo chamber but once upon a time controversial discussions were had here without posting as AC over a VPN connection
Not remotely. There are indeed plenty of nerds who are unfairly bullied. The community formed around them.
But in the process, we forgot something important: bullying and fair ostracism aren't the same thing. To be fair, we weren't the only ones who forgot this. It was a time when everyone had. But it makes little difference in the end: we wound up letting people into our midst that we shouldn't have, and they ruined it for everyone just as they ruined everything else they'd been part of. And now, if we're to salvage the geek community at all, there's little choice but to put them back where they belong, which is outside. Because that is the only way they will ever learn.
Everything you say is true as far as it goes, but I'm not sure it's useful. The incels start hearing it and tune out. If you want to get through to them in any sense, you have to use something they won't just ignore right away.
I always preferred the term "bitter unfuckables" to "incels" for that reason, but using their own chosen name is a good way to delay the argument, offering more opportunity to hit the right nerves.
When I went to see it the theater was almost empty, while the cinema as a whole had as large a crowd as I've ever seen on a Saturday. I wonder if these numbers are correct?
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I can agree there. They're really getting tiresome.
Why does bad reviews instantly mean trolling? Just because a movie was hyped up to try to get as much people to go and watch it doesn't mean the movie was excellent. You got people tricked into paying to see your crap movie, sort of like how EA hypes up games to get people to buy it only to find out it's crap. If it keeps up, you'll end up like the video gaming scene where no one buys into hype anymore and game sales drop off dramatically because of it. You can fool people up to a point, but eventually it's going to take another generation to pull off again since people remember this for a life time.
Literally nobody has argued that the people who love comic books, rate WW highly, and flocked to see Alita, want to see Captain Marvel fail.
The OP's comment was about incels, which, while inaccurate, is used as a kinda catch-all term for Internet misogynists largely because Incels are a rather prominent subgroup of said misogynists. Many are claiming they enjoyed WW and Alita, but there's little evidence for that - in fact, I seem to recall they hated WW at the time too.
Your confusion may possibly be because a sizable number of the IMs decided to promote a bizarre Alita vs CA fight just before Captain America was released, but that hardly means they ever liked Alita (and frankly, Alita is about a female looking killer robot, so I'm confused as to why liking Alita means jack shit about your feminist bona fides anyway.)
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
The OP's comment was about incels, which, while inaccurate, is used as a kinda catch-all term for Internet misogynists largely because Incels are a rather prominent subgroup of said misogynists.
Oh, those Internet misogynists. That didn't rail against a female looking killer robot.
Who the fuck are these people, why the hell are you and the media pretending that all of the dislike of Captain Marvel's marketing is from them, and just how fucking many of them are there that they can so massively influence the world at large?
Sorry but this just fucking reeks of a witchhunt against an internet bogeyman intended to publicise a film about which even the critics trying to support it can't find anything good to say.
The continued misinformation in the media (e.g. "review bombing" when no reviews had been posted) doesn't help convince me otherwise and every time I ask a simple question (such as "So who are these people?") people try and deflect me with google searches for the term incel or a reclassification as Internet misogynists.
I'm confused as to why liking Alita means jack shit about your feminist bona fides anyway
I'm confused by this whole fucking affair, unless I rationalise it as an apparently successful piece of divisive marketing that's caused a lot of hate speech towards people that can't get laid. But I guess bullying is ok when people like Millenium does it.
Pretending like you weren't bullied for a good reason I see?
No, actually. The reason for my ostracism wasn't exactly the same as yours, but it was close enough for most purposes. I also faced some bullying -even fair targets can be treated unfairly- but really, most of it what happened to me was as fair for me as it was for you.
The process of coming to understand this was extremely unpleasant. Having been in your position, I don't envy you. But there was no other way I was ever going to learn. Just like there's no other way for you. You've had years to prove it, like I did.
Just like creeps need to be put in their place so nerds and geeks need to understand that their social inadequacy is not acceptable in the real world.
Still no. I was basically one of Those Geeks, just as you are. I need to be clear about this: the geek community was founded by the unfairly targeted, and only co-opted for abuse by the fair targets later. Most of us are just fine, even though some of us are not. But the ones who aren't are the ones who ruin everything for everybody.
They need to learn to interact normally with people just like everyone else.
There is no "just like": society can withstand quite a large range of social interaction and function. This is perhaps one of the hardest lessons I had to learn, as, I suspect, it is for you: that just because my behavior and interactions were unacceptable doesn't mean that there's only one acceptable way to behave or interact. But there are boundaries.
The bar is low, but it exists, and it is necessary. Only once I understood all three parts of that sentence could I even begin to improve things, by improving myself. And so it is, I suspect, for you as well.
My multiplex has 3 screens, for 3 days Captain Marvell was the only movie shown. They closed down 2 screens.
There was no choice. Did Disney pay for this? don't know.
I'm in NZ, The same happened in various cinemas in Australia and US
That should be today's mantra!
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All the Marvel movies I've seen in the past couple years have been generic and boring AF. Based upon what I've been reading from reviews from nonpartisan reviewers about this movie, it itself doesn't really have much of any politics but its also fairly generic. I just think the whole MCU and superhero genre is now tired and played out at this point with a gabillion samey movies for over a decade now. I guess its not to much of a stretch that initial ticket sales could be high since the general population is largely ignorant of any of the politicking on either side and will gobble anything up to a certain extent if its hyped enough. I mean this is the same crowd that turned out for phantom menace. But its not really any more indication of quality or a 'victory' any more than the reviewbombing.
it was just bad. Apparently they tried to ad-lib most of it instead of having a script and that worked out about as well as you'd expect.
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in the nerd community. It's almost as if do that was profitable...
Seriously, you'd be better off ignoring them when this crap comes up. You're getting played.
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Those wanting to drench our nations in immigrants are also a tiny loud minority?
I think if people are honest, they have to admit Hollywood has a recent history of trying really hard to "preach" a certain agenda. When the star in Capt. Marvel was quoted making comments about the movie not being for white males and so on, it definitely turned me off to having interest in buying a ticket for it.
I've heard nothing but praise for some of the throwback 90's nostalgia in it though, which I think is positive. (The throwback to 70's - 80's nostalgia found all over "Stranger Things" is part of what made that series such a success too.)
I might check this one out, after all.
This is an MCU movie with no competition marketed to pander to woke people so extensively that it was even released on International Women's Day. No one with a brain thought it was going to have a bad opening weekend. You won't get a good idea of how the movie has been received until next weekend. It's like The Last Jedi--that movie had a massive opening only to drop 67.5% in the second week, ending up making 33% less than The Force Awakens and having knock-on effects on the rest of the franchise. Captain Marvel probably won't turn into that sort of disaster for various reasons (primarily that it's not considered a core movie), but there's no reason to be celebrating some sort of political or moral victory just yet.
BTW, despite Rotten Tomatoes going to every effort to purge the reviews of bad actors, the audience score for Captain Marvel is still only 57%.
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anyone who looks at the MCU about Captain Marvel, history shows us that it has been played by both men and women. what's next, do I dare ask? I believe the power struggle on who should wear the title is a matter of opinion and not principle. look at Into The Spiderverse where the message is anyone can be SpiderMan, as a symbol of good. With great power comes great responsibility. Captain Marvel is a character as scripted by the movie as one born from the energy exposure of the infinity stones; The Space Stone (Tesseract). its a good movie. onto phase 4.
This is why you can't get a date.
It's because flashy, empty action movies with a large effects budget draws a huge crowd. They always have - but the international market for these it's bigger than ever And the effects don't have to be perfect because it's a comic book. Just be glad it's not Michel Bay directing them. There are still good movies being made. Some of them doesn't to streaming.
The movie is passable as an origin story. As far as I can tell, mostly the only people that are finding egregious SJW agenda driven pandering in it are people who either a) haven't seen it yet, b) decided they were going to hate it and looked for every little flaw to back their preconceived notion (confirmation bias), or c) are doubling down so they don't have to admit they might have been wrong. Sure, some people just don't like the movie. And that's fine. I thought it was okay. And that's fine too. Yet others absolutely love it. And that is also fine.
Is Captain Marvel the best movie of all time? No. It has issues. Some of those issues are precisely because it *is* an origin story. Keep in mind that it has to lay the character groundwork for *people who know nothing about the comics*. If you already know much of what is going to happen ahead of time, of course it's going to seem slow or boring. But you'll find that *most* of the cinema-goers *gasp* don't read the comics. Some of the issues are maybe due to direction or scripts. I rather suspect a nontrivial number of them are due to editing decisions. But overall, the movie was entertaining and I don't feel like my admission price was wasted.
I think the biggest problem with Captain Marvel is simply that the marketing was badly flawed and agenda driven. And even then, it didn't really blow up until Larson opened her yap and said something less than brilliant at which point agenda driven shills, etc., ran with it.
If it works in theory, try something else in practice.
You just proved his point.
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Even a baM marvel movie can make money, and what I hear from real people, is that the movie is bad.
Second wake take will be more interesting to see.
Personally I wasn't going to see it in a theater anyway, as I have watched pretty much every Marvel movie at home (and plan to keep up the trend even with the new Spider Man and Infinity War conclusion). I'll wait to hear from others if I even decide to rent it...
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For a specific month? Fuck that noise, wake me up when they do it for a fucking half-decade in a single month. That's a real record. This "story" is just marketing fucking fluff made up by idiots.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
While I know some people still living with their parents, none of them actually lives in the basement. This seems to be a very U.S. only situation. Most of the still-with-the-parents people live upstairs, or even in the attic, if their parents have their own home and are not renting a flat somewhere.
If ignorant pre-reviewers aren't relevant, why do journalists keep writing stories about them?
Tell you what: you don't focus on our nation's masses of ignorant, unwashed retards... and we won't focus on yours. ;)
None of that changes the fact that it has the 6th best opening weekend of all time.
Eww, creepy.
Aww, mad to discover that even the geeks never really wanted you around, and only tolerated you out of misguided pity?
Trolls like you are part of the problem. You're making the world a shittier, more hateful place. Now go apologize to your parents for letting them down.
His parents should apologize to us for not doing a better job.
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I can't seem to avoid mixing up Bries Larson and Olson. As a result, my expectations for the movie are all over the place.
Are you trying to prove his point with this post?
3.3 was the User Score for Metacritic and RT deleted 55,000 Audience Scores. Take any side you want. Disney probably spent 500 million promoting the movie and making sure it played every 10 minutes all weekend in theaters.
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A great way to avoid identity politics in movies is to do what I do and stay off Twitter, Reddit, and any other platform that gives a voice to the masses. I don't notice most of the "horrible indiscretions" on my own (probably because they aren't worth noticing) and without the outrage police screaming in my ear from either the right or the left I get to just watch and like or dislike a movie or show without a bunch of lame drama just like I used to years ago.
I would think this would work for anybody who doesn't care about the outrage machine and identity politics. Without some one constantly telling you to be outraged, it's much easier to let things that really just dont matter slide by.
Sadly though, this would never do a thing for those that want to be outraged. They'll keep finding reasons to be outraged because deep down that's what they want.
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Disney has been a bad actor in multiple venues for decades: Bribing congress to extend copyright terms, brainwashing children into their plastic, homogenized version of reality, ruining vast swaths of the Everglades for their phony plastic castles, and now dominating pop culture through Star Wars and Marvel.
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"There's plenty of legitimate arguments against what people were actually upset about, reducing it to the strawman "omg they're sexists mad because it's a female lead!" is inaccurate and demonstrates you're every bit as intellectually dishonest as the people you're criticizing."
Captain Marvel seems to have generated a certain amount of outrage as illustrated by the online trolling it received both now and before the movie came out. The reason a lot of people blame sexism over the female lead for this is because they're searching for an explanation for the outrage and it seems to fit what is going on. If Captain Marvel was just a bad movie the outrage wouldn't have been there prior to the movie's release and it wouldn't have been there after the movie came out as bad movies happen. i don't remember outrage when John Travolta's Gotti came out and I don't remember mass internet trolling happening over how terrible that film was. Gotti certainly never had more reviews than Infinity War ever got pop up on Rotten Tomatoes on its opening day, tanking the movie's rating.
So then is the movie, Captain Marvel itself sexist and that's the problem people are getting outraged over? Again, there certainly wouldn't have been the outrage prior to the movie coming out. After that, I think most people just don't see that as there are plenty of positive male roles in the movie and Captain Marvel herself just doesn't practice much "male bashing".
So given all that, if sexism over the female lead isn't the driving force behind all of the outrage this movie is getting, what is it?
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Spoiler - I'm female so if you want to let that influence your responses to my post then so be it.
I saw the movie this weekend. I have zero exposure to the Marvel comic universes and went in without seeing trailer, reading articles, etc. I went in cold expecting to be told a story. I knew it was an origin movie and adjusted my expectations accordingly.
As an origin movie it works. The new characters are developed enough to fit into future movies, existing characters are true to what is already in the series, and there were a few "Ohhhhh....." moments for me where things clicked from previous movies.
Do you NEED to see it before seeing the next Avengers movie? Probably not. Some simple searches on the internet will get you enough information about Captain Marvel in the MCU to get you up to speed.
It's not in my top X list of movies but it's not something that is too much out of line with the others. Thor: Ragnarok had more things that bothered me than this one, to be honest.
I will admit the opening scene with the Marvel logo had me tearing up and I wasn't the only one.
So basically Captain Marvel was a sexist movie because Brie Larson said 2 things you didn't like?
One of them not even about the Captain Marvel movie no less...
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Controversy is a common sales tactics for violent video games. GTA success was built on that. They generated artificial controversy for how immoral and violent and bad that game was, yet, they were careful enough not to get an "adult only" rating so that every kid can buy it. It has proven successful. Note that while recent installments are huge and stand by their own merits, the first ones were not particularly remarkable.
Here, the controversy played in their favor too. From people who have seen it, it seems to have enough buttkicking to be enjoyable but that's about it. But thanks the the controversy, people talk about it, are curious, etc... so they go watch that particular generic superhero movie. Too bad it eclipsed Alita, which is also a superhero-ish movie with a strong female lead, a much better one IMHO.
Since when is "society has a legitimate right and need to expect a certain level of functionality from its members, and you don't measure up" mental gymnastics?
"Suggesting that a sad, extremely vocal minority of idiots on the internet don't actually matter in the slightest."
We know, but we still hate it.
The Last Jedi did decent as well but long term it really hurt the brand. My son and I have yet to see Solo because of how bad the last jedi was....I can see the same happening because of Captain Marvel...and why is it when someone on the left hears something they dont like its always trolls....
I'd rather watch paint dry than another dolled up rip of of the same movie for the 100'th time. I don't care about the gender aspect or anything else, I would just like it if the adult audience would grow up and stop going to these pointless children's movies.
The population loves to pretend they are super-heroes, while gobbling up extra large coke with extra margarine popcorn.
As someone from the US...that's a fair statement. I guess it is a combination of secularization creating a vacuum that has to be filled and all we can come up with at the moment is this this type of fluff and the breakdown of the traditional milestones and roles for young men. The result is 30 something adolescents obsessed with escapist fantasy.... I don't think any of us are 100% immune to it, we're all on a spectrum of infantilization these days.
I think your post, rather than proving your point, proves mine.
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I'm not a comic book fan but every post I've read from that community complaining about Captain Marvel has been from fans that liked Wonder Woman quite a bit. This response from you is more of a rhetorical device than anything else. A great deal of the protest for this movie took the place of people trying to pump up Alita and seeing it multiple times... i've not seen either myself.
And The Last Jedi had the seventh-biggest opening weekend of all time (and third-biggest domestically, while CM barely made the top 20).
Incidentally, Avatar is still the highest-grossing movie of all time by a long way, yet it ended up almost completely disappearing from the public consciousness within a year after release.
Rob
If you want to see review bombing, just google "captain marvel" "i'll make it very simple and clear".
https://youtu.be/9pQNYeOEFJc
Even RLM takes offence from Brie Larsen.....