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Tim Berners-Lee Says World Wide Web Must Emerge From 'Adolescence' (venturebeat.com)
The fraying World Wide Web needs to rediscover its strengths and grow into maturity, its designer Tim Berners-Lee said on Monday, marking the 30th anniversary of the collaborative software project his supervisor initially dubbed "vague but exciting." From a report: Speaking to reporters at CERN, the physics research center outside Geneva where he invented the web, Berners-Lee said users of the web had found it "not so pretty" recently. "They are all stepping back, suddenly horrified after the Trump and Brexit elections, realizing that this web thing that they thought was that cool is actually not necessarily serving humanity very well," he said. "It seems we don't finish reeling from one privacy disaster before moving onto the next one," he added, citing concerns about whether social networks were supporting democracy. People who had grown up taking the internet's neutrality for granted now found that the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump had "rolled that back."
needs to do it first....
french toast, mes mademoiselles
(tips beret knowingly)
The results of elections didn't go the way the permanent state/globalists/monied elite wanted, so there fore we have to STOP EVERYTHING. IT"S THE WORST DISASTER EVER.
Listen, these elections are what you get instead of violent revolution. Keep chipping away at the values of the enlightenment and you won't like the result.
If there's something particularly chilling, technologists thinking their task is to "solve" politics is pretty high on the list. (Among politicians and politically motivated public commentators the parallel approach is to claim their political stance is pure scientific truth without a whiff of political stance.) My personal take on such approaches is that the cure may be more dangerous than the problem that has been framed to be the problem.
Politics is politics. There are no solutions that turn it into something else. Or at least solutions that would really fix it, but there are plenty of "solutions" which break things that actually work as a side effect, while mostly replacing the problem with another, trendier problem...
voted for the politics they wanted and for the UK to exit the EU.
Humanity enjoys the freedom to vote.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
I think we prefer having adolescent humor.
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Seems like “social media” sites are doing their part of information control? Nothing neutral about them.
If only there was something Tim Berners-Lee could do about privacy vulnerabilities being included into web standards...
Tim Berners-Lee: World Wide Web, you must emerge from adolescence ...
WWW: I didn't ask to be born!
Tim Berners-Lee:
WWW: You're not my real parent anyways!
The man who gave us a closed-source DRM blob in our browsers.
Power brokers and the "learned scholars" seem to always think the system is broken when normal people get more information and then don't bend to their will. Maybe the solution you envision from your ivory tower surrounded by your walled gardens isn't the world we want to live in.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
...voting in ways Tim agrees with.
Tired of this repeated "what the web needs" articles from old people that live the stream the web's 30 year anniversary on Facebook(tm)
Distributed social gizmos and "somehow were gonna break down them garden walls" articles for years now, all failing.
Berners-Lee is so fully disconnected from reality now that he's no longer credible. He talks about the Web "saving humanity", yet he has personally participated in crafting standards for it that serve corporate interests rather than the rest of us. Under his "guidance", the Web has transitioned from a network where people participated in its development and had control over how they consumed it to one where they no longer participate, have no control, and have become passive consumers. Corporate Web developers now view their target "useless eater" audiences with the same disregard as eugenicists of the last century.
He's lamenting his own utter failure to guide his own creation in the way that he claims he really wanted it to progress, while doing the precise opposite? What a bloody hypocrite.
People who had grown up taking the internet's neutrality for granted now found that the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump had "rolled that back."
What the hell does that mean? Are they talking about packet prioritization, viewpoint neutrality, trolling, hacking... The Trump administration "rolled back" network neutrality rules that had existed for roughly a year.
He also seems fine with all the child porn, drug trafficking, animal abuse videos, assassins for hire, anti-vaccination misinformation, stalking, gun smuggling, fraud, identity theft, data breaches and all other forms of evil that have been a part of the Web since its inception.
But once you've got two democratic decisions made in two separate free countries that the establishment media doesn't like, the Web isn't serving humanity as it should be.
I love the Web and I'm thankful for all the good it's done for me, but you know what? Fuck you, Tim.
TBL is not the old man yelling at the cloud. He's a highly intelligent person who cannot believe, with all this internet-provided freedom of information, people still make such ignorant decisions. Common failure of the reasonably well educated.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
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This is the flip side of the coin that brought you the ability to express yourself without limits. Everyone now has a voice, and the most outrageous get the attention. Why shouldn't the people who feel like they were hurt by the EU not have a voice? Trump's election was partly a backlash by a group of people who feel like they are being told what to believe, and how to go about their daily life. I think we have achieved minoritarianism, where the group that yells the loudest gets the spotlight, and runs things until another louder group comes along. The only solution to your problems is to turn up the volume.
Berners-Lee is clearly an optimist but his great power is in starting the web, he only has the slightest influence after it exploded out of control so it is not fair to say he has guided us to where we ended up today. He's not responsible for human nature and our culturally ingrained evils; he can go around saying don't use my invention for evil/weapons etc like most every scientist throughout history. He can wish he never gave us the ideas but somebody would have eventually done something similar. Since humans stopped evolving, when doesn't matter -- humanity will never get past our adolescence!
The 80/20 seems to apply to a great many things. Benefits of technology seem to fit 80/20 in that 80% of it is bad and 20% of it is good; in the end. The majority of people have the optimist bias gene which at this point exists in statistics until we find the gene. Tech people have an emotional bias to be optimistic about tech. Like a handyman always buying a new tool. (The master carpenter having matured to realize 80% of the tools are not beneficial haul around.)
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The human nature to do stupid things always is ingenious in finding new ways to fuck up. You just can't stop it, if you baby people too much some authoritarian takes over and makes a bigger mess of it (it only works if the "parents" are super human... I wish for an A.I. take over in the distant future.)
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Well fuck him. He sold out the www to the Disney crowd.
People vote and clearly express their opinions.
Those in charge don't like the opinions and ignore them. UK is going for a dictatorship ignoring the people.
Liberals now dislike freedom of speech, and have added that they no longer like democracy. If I was as bat shit crazy as a liberal and couldn't convince the average person my views were correct I too would limit freedom of speech and attempt to do away with democracy.
Exactly. He should do five years of penitence for that gross mistake.
Just pure perverts
It is so all encompassing that no web developer even thinks its unwanted.
Everything you do is logged by third party domains and developers are so stupid they can't even see themselves being shot in the foot
I have brought a few things on Gumtree (craigslist for Australians) they put facebook like symbols on it so now facebook knows everywhere I clicked.
guess what facebook marketplace advertises - yep - my gumtree history.
I have all known facebook domains blocked in my hosts file which is moderately effective so now I see adds for things I was looking at 2 years ago - different computer - new IP address - doesn't matter - facebook has everything linked together.
Same for google - how many sites use google analytics, google javascript, google fonts.
It was not done out of generosity. It was done for perving on everything you do! Then they leverage it as hard as they can.
How many sites does a web site need?
Far to many - and no one does anything for free. seriously NO ONE!
even slashdot sells you out to Google analytics, Janrain, Taboola and other sites such as ml314, promarket and crsspixel (whoever they are)
I don't mind random ads (unless they flash like crazy) but when you think you are clever and get intrusive and store history for no reason other than being perverts - then F U
If a real government had cared - they would enforce do not track as a standard (with decent penalties) then the web would be a better place.
Unfortunately our governments have rich businesses so far up their backsides that they do not care in the least.
Our media isn't any better - they have no understanding what is going on that they think Cambridge Analytics is an exception (it must suck to be the nominated fall guy)
I have a few addons to help with private browsing (umatrix, noscript, self destructing cookies, etc) but they kill nearly 30% of all websites -
I now run multiple browsers with different addons and settings just to maintains some resemblance of privacy.
I just can't believe how many technological people can't see any problems -it is just bizarre - and greed!
I am neither stupid nor ignorant and I consider Trump and Brexit to be positive developments. The idea that somehow Russia tricked voters into these choices is wilfully stupid. You are placing the blame for your disappointment nowhere near the true cause: your own narcissistic delusions of how the world should be and your rightful place in forcing your will on others who disagree with you.
He doesn't control the standards; if the W3C took a position against industry they'd just make their own "standards" and either claim to be a standard by monopoly or lousy published specs which they wholly control for their own unfair advantage (MS.)
WHERE ARE THE DISCUSSIONS ON MOB BEHAVIOR? All the worst social human nature is being amplified by social media. Virtual lynch mobs are terrorizing people to the point where we are changing our behaviors lest they come at us.
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Obviously I meant the common ones that all children get in most developed nations. Trying to force people to define every word they use and always assuming the worst, most ridiculous interpretation is just a stifling tactic.
I'm happy to have a discussion about vaccines, but only if you behave like a grown up and make some minimal good faith effort to understand what I'm saying.
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I am one of those pro-vaccine people, but even my wife and I have reservations about Gardasil.
It is a decision we need to make pretty soon, too. Hopefully, there is something that changes to show (or make) the thing safe soon, as I would prefer my kids to have the protection of the vaccine.
The results of elections didn't go the way the permanent state/globalists/monied elite wanted, so there fore we have to STOP EVERYTHING. IT"S THE WORST DISASTER EVER.
Listen, these elections are what you get instead of violent revolution. Keep chipping away at the values of the enlightenment and you won't like the result.
And this is apparently a world-wide phenomenon.
The Brexit vote didn't go the way the globalists wanted, and as a result the UK has had two years of obstruction and doom-mongering just to prove that brexit is bad, while clinging to the slim hope that the decision could be reversed. (Oh, if *only* we could have a second referendum - the first one didn't really count, you know?)
The EU has been trying to screw over the UK at every turn, just to scare the other countries into staying. Leaving is an insult to European relations, so the UK has to be punished in every way possible.
The Venezuelan national assembly (their highest governing court, 'sorta analogous to our supreme court) declared Maduro to not be the president, he objected, and has been riding his country to ruin and weathering all sorts of sanctions from other nations.
After Trump was elected there were calls for the electors to be faithless, calls for the supreme court to step in and invalidate the election, calls for the military to step in and prevent Trump from taking office (!) (yes, that was actually a thing), there were riots in many cities, people were crying, looting, swearing "not my president", and all sorts of childish behaviour. Notably, Hillary did *not* step forward and tell her followers to calm down.
It's completely astonishing to me that, even at this late date, remainers in the UK aren't trying to make the transition as painless as possible, or that Maduro still has enough supporters to keep control, or US legislators are still investigating and trying to impeach Trump for nothing.
It's almost as if their core beliefs don't include the welfare of their governed citizens.
Slashdot should have a special session for asking Berners-Lee questions.
I would like to ask him if major tech companies should be broken up. Should carriers provide content as well as data? Should AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, etc be broken up, as well as Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Apple, and others.
How do we guard against the Doubleclick syndrom? How should web sites pay for themselves, other than by selling targeted adverts?
Should Ajit Pai be impeached, judging from the other side of the Pond?
Do we need a giant firewall to keep out Russian, Chinese, North Korean, and Iranian hackers?
How do we keep fake accounts out of social media?
Where does net neutrality protect the little guy, not only from large corporations but also from bad players? How should we enhance the protocol stack? How do we prevent the Russian and Chinese governments from rerouting the web? How do you prevent man-in-middle and DDoS attacks?
How do you regulate the internet of things?
How do you create universal access to remote areas as well as urban populations world wide? Are satellites and balloons the solution for blanketing the globe with hubs?
How do we disperse the cloud, or make it safer to ensure privacy? Is encrypted privacy a right? How do you prevent terrorists and contraband dealers from taking advantage of the dark web
da, come get new rant sheet from Boris
What ignorant decisions?
The economy is growing faster than Obama and Paul Krugman (NOBEL PRIZE WINNING ECONOMIST!!!!!) said was possible 2 years ago. The Korean War, which lasted 70 years, is officially over and the dictator of North Korea is talking with the President of the US. Again, something that supposedly wasn't possible just a couple of years ago. Amazing that Nobel Peace Price winner Barack Obama wasn't able to do that.
Yes, TBL is "old man yells at cloud". It's sad, because he's a smart man. The idea that electing Trump was a disaster because he personally doesn't like it, or that Brexit is a disaster because he personally doesn't like it, just doesn't cut it. He's simply part of the authoritarian left who want to force their will on everybody because they think they're smarter than anybody else.
Do you have ESP?
Democracy needs an informed population to work.
That is correct, and in why only in recent years has it really started to work.
People trying to subvert democracy often attack it by misinforming the population
Indeed that has been happening for a few decades now by a central core of media that withhold and shape information.
in the last few years by convincing people that everything is fake and a lie
And how did they do that? By in fact showing people directly, what were fakes and lies.
simply choosing their own preferred truth is a valid choice.
That's the thing though. Now anyone can really get the whole picture. They can see the actual video of what people did, and judge them on that instead of what the media claims they said or did.
People complain that Trump voters ignore the "Truth" that Trump is whatever - racist, homophobic, etc. The reason Trump never has much impact from those claims, is because for the first time you can really see the falseness of them - you can see how Trump behaves now and in the past around women, around people of color, even around supporting gay marriage.
Trump is unique compared to a lot of current politicians in that there is a lot of prior video of him and so people already had a sense of him before the media started trying to craft an alternative image.
But going forward, more and more politicians will have the same thing apply - people will judge them based on what they have actually said and done instead of what the media claims about them. You can even see that with newer politicians like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - she gets a lot of flak from the right, but you can watch a lot of video from her that is fairly reasonable, so the calls that she is crazy do not really stick.
She has some ideas about socialism that I and others find wrong, but you can actually go see what she says and judger her based on that instead of by what others sat about her. So how is any of that a "lie"? People can be better informed now that at any point in history - the real problem is that the professional political class by and large suck giant donkey balls, and now that is easy for anyone to see. In the end that is not a "problem" at all, that is a solution and the world is undergoing a correction based on this new fact...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
If the internet is 30 years old isn't it time to move out of its parents basement?
We need a new internet because there were some election results he didn't like? Seriously?
This guy is a total fraud. Anyone who has spent any time around him knows he's as adolescent as they come. Coke parties with coeds at MIT.
You'll have to enlighten me. How has the EU been punishing the UK? From where I stand it looks more like a whiny cunt trying to leave the club whilst stilling having access to the equipment and the cheap members bar.
I was referring to the ongoing deals and proposals between the UK and the EU that started right after the UK submitted notification of withdrawal. It hasn't been prominent in the news, and the news has a decidedly "globalist" slant, so I'm not surprised you're not aware of it. You'd have to be interested in and follow the process to see what's really going on.
You can find some of the history here.
Things such as the EU demanding a "divorce fee", where the UK pays £92b for the privilege of leaving, or the UK guaranteeing that EU residents would not be forced to leave and then the EU *not* giving the same guarantee for UK citizens living abroad, or the EU proposing that the UK accept unlimited immigrants and still be subject to EU court decisions, and so on and so on.
There's been a continuous stream of "fuck you" proposals from the EU. It's not in any way been an amicable process with the intent to make things as painless as possible.
The end result will almost certainly be a "no deal" Brexit. Everyone agrees that's the worst possible situation, and yet at the same time all the leaders seem to be hell-bent on it.
Here is an unpopular opinion. What Tim did was novel but it wasn't that hard and didn't even require that much work. What you are asking for would required thousands of hours of work and he's not going to do that unless he gets paid.
This feels like the classic case of a technologist so enamored with his vision for how his creation would be used that when people don't use it as intended, he can't understand why. While I'm not one of those people who believe in the liberal arts mantra of having them involved in technological development, there is a case to be made that it helps to get a different perspective on how technology might ACTUALLY be used versus their creators' utopian vision. After all, technology rarely changes human nature, it simply amplifies it, a force multiplier. So when you create a powerful technology, why is it a surprise that people will do whatever they can to make money on it / get stuff for free, hunt for porn, politically mobilize which includes propaganda and spin, and then ultimately, draw the attention from and be regulated by the dudes with guns?
Because tech is all about making the world a better place, right? Not about competitive, amoral, unbridled, unregulated, unfettered money making, whatever it takes at all, right?
So Berners-Lee thinks that tech can solve political problems, as opposed to sustaining & augmenting them & making money out of it?
Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
The internet/web is a mirror of humanity. No matter what kind of control system you try to impose on it, human nature will be reflected and sometimes magnified by the tools we use. The Web, and the social media system that grows on it, are a great example of the fun-house mirror result you get when people's thought processes and discrimination ability lag behind technology. I first wrote about this in 1999, as the net.sheep effect. People have been conditioned by 100s of years of text-as-truth to trust anything they READ (because putting things down in writing was once an epic effort, requiring not only a great deal of money, but also the expectation that the quality of the words would be worthy of the effort to put them down and publish them). It's only when a small portion of the user base begins to leverage that habit, that the abuse of being able to reach the entire planet with a rumor begins to become clear... not because gossip is new, but because making gossip seem not only true, but authoritative (by virtue of being written/published/repeated by thousands of sites) is. The only way to address that with technology is by bringing back the one thing that makes a modern society civil : Personal Accountability. Virtual Reputation needs to not only be a 'thing', but a 'thing' that has consequences. Facebook has been a little slow on this, because they recognize their site is a huge rumor mill... if they start squashing rumors, what will that do to their numbers? All in all, the answer to this issue is the same as it was when the printing press was invented, when radio came out, when TV came out: People who are going to report/spread information have to be held accountable for the accuracy of that information as well as the damage they create by doing rumors instead of facts.
WHERE ARE THE DISCUSSIONS ON MOB BEHAVIOR? All the worst social human nature is being amplified by social media. Virtual lynch mobs are terrorizing people to the point where we are changing our behaviors lest they come at us.
Did you mean to link to "Democracy NOW!" as an example of mob behavior? I hear frequent interviews with "direct action" groups on there...
Hey Trailer Trash, Big Giant Orange Head has been a total failure at foreign policy:
- North Korea hasn't given up anything and they got international recognition. Trump got played. Winning!
- BGOH is 0 for 2 on nuclear deals. I like deal makers who make deals, OK?
- The Korean Police Action (not a war, not officially) isn't over. Also that "crisis" of NK? Caused by BGOH;
- WTF with your assertions about Obama and Krugman? You just made that one up. Typical MAGA BS;
- meanwhile international allies and friends distance themselves and dictators and enemies are strengthened and emboldened;
- Wall, Wall, Wall, Wall, Wall, Wail, Wah, Wahl, Wat, Weil, Wall, Wall, Wall, Wall,...
- BGOH is a racist, xenophobic, sexist narcissist with small hands. He's a third rate wannabe dictator. BGOH is simply an ugly human being and his supporters show their "Sunday-only Christian values" by supporting that;
The mistake technologists like Sir Lee and Mr. Zuckerburg make is a common one among the educated.
False information is still information. It wants to be free like any other information (and bandwidth still wants to cost money.)
Does that information sound good enough? Does it match your secret biases? If it supports some idea you hold dear, even the most vile information will seem true to you.
The worst part of the Nazis is that they were just ordinary humans like us. They were doing what they thought was true and correct. We tell ourselves otherwise. Tell ourselves that we are 'good.' But that's what everyone has always been telling themselves. On the Internet we all become Nazis. Grammar, gasser or Goose-stepper we are all being "connected" by tools like Facebook, Twitter or Grindr.
Until we can turn the scalpel back into ourselves and fix what it is to be human we will have to live with biases, ignorance, hate and scammers. They are part of what made people who we are today. But I seriously doubt we'll have the skill to "fix" ourselves. We currently live in a corporate-run dystopia where you must support the Party Line and have adequate work-work balance to afford your home. Any edits won't be humane when they could build better Citizens and Workers.
It is ironic as the World Wide Web was invented to share information. 30 years later much of the information is unbearable or unreachable unless you stop much of that sharing with adblock, privacy extensions, proxies and Tor routers. These current methods we use also ban hope, disagreement and 'expert' warnings. Filters can only do so much, though. They also leave you living in a bubble.
If you're lucky it's a bubble of cat videos, how stuff is made and the best math education since ancient Greece. If you're "on the wrong side of the Web" then somebody is selling you an anti-vaxxer scams, along with all the other medical quackery. Masturbating teens are encouraging each other to kill themselves. Men with the personality of a boiled potato are offering help in raping or murdering women. Pretend Nazis are blaming others for their failures instead of taking responsibility for themselves. And someone is seriously writing a website to support Flat Earth Theory.
If the Internet is a series of tubes, the WWW has to be the sewer lines. Some sanitary. Some...not so. It just took a few decades for the lines to back up, break open and start seeping out into the streets.
Berners-Lee can go shove a sharp object up his ass. Boo hoo I created an open platform and people used it say stuff I don't like. Yeah guess what that is real Democracy pal. Sometimes people don't vote for who you'd like them to either; to friggen bad.
So sick and tired of these 'technocrats' being able to get away with there eletiest garbage. Okay you did something cool 40 years ago. Great, that does not mean you know whats good for the rest of us or are any more clueful about how to address the issues of the day. Learn to make your argument without condescending of FUCK OFF
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Tim Berners-Lee simply laments the balkanization of the Web community, the creation of walled gardens, and the death of net neutrality. Who can blame him? It is the open standards and open borders that have given us the World Wide Web as we know it today. I shudder at the idea of an alternate timeline where the only sites I could reach are the ones are on whatever network I've sworn allegiance to, be it AOL or CompuServe.
On the list of things that SHOULD be on Technologists' plates, like getting networks and technology to work seamlessly, debugging their software BEFORE release, not using their customers as alpha testers, etc., (perhaps even going so far as taking moral responsibility for the effects technology has on developing brains and working to mitigate that rather than deliberately making it MORE addictive) one thing that ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT be there, is taking a moral stand on social direction.
That's the kind of hubris and arrogance that should take your breath away, and should result in corporate boards acting immediately to dismiss offenders.
Incredibly dangerous, not only to society at large, but to corporate value when investors realize and react to the fact that they're holding stock in literal Big Brother, who is probably going to come get you in the near future.
If he really cannot believe all that has gone wrong, then I suggest that his understanding of human nature is sorely lacking. That by itself ought to disqualify someone from being taken seriously.
WHERE ARE THE DISCUSSIONS ON MOB BEHAVIOR? ... Virtual lynch mobs are terrorizing people to the point where we are changing our behaviors lest they come at us.
There is very little discussion about mob behavior because each side supports its own mob. Society is polarizing into left-and-right (or liberal-and-conservative, depending on the terminology you're using), and each side is ruled by its mob. Nobody is in charge--the mob ideology is in charge.
Dunning-Krueger effect.
If you listen to the whole recording, you see that he's talking about how women act around famous or very rich people. Is he wrong?
You might be mad he took advantage of it, but why? What would you truly do if women were throwing themselves at you? The reaction of people to Trump describing a situation they will never encounter always amuses me, because most people would act with hardly more honor in similar situations.
In contrast to that single audio tape, we have countless women working for Trump before he was ever president, and working with him now - along with having daughters. That all balances out Trump's profile in my books, he obviously thinks women are capable of anything. Juste because he also likes to have sex and has fewer scruples in that regard than most people most people doesn't really alter that fundamental point.
That's the real problem with society and especially with liberals today, they cannot separate sex from ability. It's why they also shamefully attack sex workers and slut shame women left and right with the slightest pretext... and supposedly Trump is against women? Please. His only crime is loving them too much.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
"No way Dad! I'll grow up when I want to!" :D
Vaccines qua vaccines are not safe anymore than pain killers qua pain killers are safe. Saying "vaccines are safe" is simply a moronic statement that is a reduction of the argument "you can trust Gardasil because MMR/Polio is safe." Guess what, you can't and a lot of parents found that out the hard way when their daughters had serious adverse reactions to Gardasil.
"A lot" means what? If your child contracts measles, that is ballpark a 1 in 1000 chance of ending up dead, and a far higher chance of serious long term negative effects.
When we are talking about how vaccines are bad, we are actually weighing the negative risks of the vaccines which are clearly non-zero and worth being aware of, with the likelihood of thousands of corpses, which seems like something that every non-moron would bother to mention in these discussion.
Definition of Liberal...
Vote how I want you to or I will call the election invalid and call for repeat elections until I get what I want.
Until that happens I will attempt to censor your speech, cause every disruption possible and blame it on you voting the wrong way, and additionally call you a racist.
I think that pretty much matches up today.
LOL. You are legit an idiot. Find me one piece of evidence. Just fucking one. Show me one scientific study that points to what you believe. We will wait.
Hmmm that must be why they stopped all talks and NK decided to end discussions. Nothing has changed.
But keep repeating the repubtard propaganda like it's the truth.
As long as anonymity is a staple of the Internet, it will never 'grow up' or mature.
It's that very anonymity that encourages people to be on their worst behavior because there's absolutely no consequences to that behavior.
As much as I love the anonymity afforded to internet users, I can freely admit, it's a root cause of a lot of the trouble we're having.
It probably needs to go away. Humans have shown they can't behave in a responsible civil manner with anonymity on the table.
Trying to force people to define every word they use and always assuming the worst, most ridiculous interpretation is just a stifling tactic.
Must be why you always do this to brexiters every chance you get.
You have no valid arguments against them.
Common failure of the reasonably well educated.
Yep, apparently he knows nothing of our overpowering primal nature. The *reasonably well educated* often succumb themselves, and make more headlines than the "ignorant". Maybe a little field trip with Jane Goodall would clear things up for him, and for a lot of other people too!
The internet was made by millions of people working in collaborative and adversarial manners. Stop trying to raise up some pope-of-the-internet to give decrees and kindly fuck yourselves (or unkindly.)
The C in W3C suggests that they already are industry, not some sort of regulator of industry.
If the Web had been an entity of the natural world, it would be on a fast track to head the 6th mass extinction.
Whatever the politicians and corporates touch they pervert for their own ends.
According to the left I'm one of the Russian bots who have hijacked the Internet for evil...
I'm actually just a tech literate Australian who is sick of baizuo crap and doesn't base my politics on whatever bull CNN is spouting.
Tim Berners-Lee is a fucking moron, guy has become senile.
We need more freedom not less.
When freedom of the press was limited to those who could afford a press, the conversation was limited to professional journalists and those who would go to the trouble of writing a letter to the editor. I used to have to read those letters, clean up the grammar, spelling, and punctuation, call the letter writer (phone number was required for publication) to verify they had indeed written the letter and make sure I understood what they were trying to say.
In addition to the fact that most people who could hold a job could read and write decent English (in the U.S.), there was a certain amount of effort required to write a letter to the editor--by the letter writer and those who handled the letter if it was approved for publication.
I met a fellow once, he lived in an old school bus and one of his primary pastimes was to write letters to the editors of several newspapers in our state. I would consider him something of a crank, but he also had a lot of time to read and research and think about the issues he wrote about. My opinion is that he made a much more valuable contribution to the discussions he participated in than a lot of the slapdash crap I see flung here and there around the Web. Hell, my own efforts fall pretty short at times.
My point is, you get what you pay for.
I'm not saying that there aren't lies all over the web, but as far as Brexit is concerned, I can point to all sorts of lies that newspapers have been printing, lies that take 10 seconds on Google to refute.
I think the web is far healthier today than it's ever been because the gatekeepers are getting destroyed. Remember when you went to see a movie because of a particular actor? You don't do that today. It's killed movie stars as a mark of quality. Movies can be massive or dead within hours of release as people post a thumbs up or down on Twitter. Films have improved as a result. You can't just hire stars, put them on sofas and get an audience for a month.
Bullshit articles are wiped out by counter articles from bloggers within hours. Careers of grifter journalists who know nothing are being destroyed, and this is a very good thing.
I think you lost the right to claim the moral high-ground of good faith and understanding two posts up the chain where you invoked the spectre of 1930's germany in response to someone who simply suggested that power/information brokers are not acting for the good of normal people.
Why on earth did you think that was the proper place to start your anti-anti-vaccination rant?
I am neither stupid nor ignorant and I consider Trump and Brexit to be positive developments.
Stupid is believing Brexit is a positive development when it hasn't even happened yet. Ignorant is believing Trump is a positive development when there is evidence to the contrary every day.