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Fast-Growth Chickens Produce New Industry Woe: 'Spaghetti Meat' (wsj.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Chicken companies spent decades breeding birds to grow rapidly and develop large breast muscles. Now the industry is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to deal with the consequences ranging from squishy fillets known as "spaghetti meat," because they pull apart easily, to leathery ones known as "woody breast." [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source.] The abnormalities pose no food safety risk, researchers and industry officials say. They are suspected side effects of genetic selection that now allows meat companies to raise a 6.3-pound bird in 47 days, roughly twice as fast as 50 years ago, according to the National Chicken Council.

That efficiency drive has helped U.S. meat giants such as Tyson Foods, Pilgrim's Pride, Perdue Farms and Sanderson Farms produce a record 42 billion pounds of chicken nuggets, tenders and other products in 2018. Now, it's adding an estimated $200 million or more in annual industry expenses to identify and divert breast fillets that are too tough, too squishy or too striped with bands of white tissue to sell in restaurants or grocery stores, according to researchers at the University of Arkansas.

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  1. Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    It's funny, I'm not keen on lab grown beef, but I'd probably go for lab grown chicken... maybe it's because it would be essentially what we have now, without the suffering of millions of chickens raised in really poor conditions.

    Also because it appears lab grown chicken has a much lower bar to meet commercial chicken quality as the summary illuminates.

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    1. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by HornWumpus · · Score: 3

      How do you cook a vegetarian douchebag?

      Sounds tough and stringy.

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    2. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

      This.

      Vegetarians pretty much taste like chicken anyway.

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    3. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Vegetarians pretty much taste like chicken anyway.

      That's not saying much...

      Today's chicken, like most other industrially raised foods has LOST pretty much all flavor.

      Hell, I don't even buy tomatoes fresh in the grocery store anymore, they're just flavorless, and often horrible texture.

      I long for my summer gardens for real tomatoes...especially more heirloom 'ugly' ones that you can just sit and eat like an apple.

      I've been experimenting with hydroponic growing indoors for the off season grows...good results there too.

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    4. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Perhaps, but they're really easy to find growing free range. Plus, you could always get rent money from Starbucks to open a non-profit reserve for them to spawn upon.

    5. Re:Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

      without the suffering of millions of chickens raised in really poor conditions.

      Yes! Forget about "Think of the Children!" . . . "Think of the Chickens!"

      I think all IT folks should rally around the cause:

      Spaghetti Code! Not Chicken!"

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    6. Re:Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      without the suffering of millions of chickens raised in really poor conditions.

      To be fair, the conditions for meat chickens, while awful, is not as bad as the battery cages used for egg layers.

      Disclaimer: I keep my own chickens in my backyard. It is a fun hobby, and the eggs taste way better than store bought.

    7. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1, Funny

      Let me rephrase the question: How do you cook a vegetarian douchebag when not in England.

      Also: Isn't 'Vegetarian douchebag' redundant?

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    8. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Hell, I don't even buy tomatoes fresh in the grocery store anymore, they're just flavorless, and often horrible texture.

      Probably because most are picked well before they are ripe so they don't spoil on the long hauls they have to travel to get to xyz grocery store in some state 1000 miles away. I buy local produce as much as possible, because you're absolutely correct. Most grocery store produce sucks balls.

    9. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Today's chicken, like most other industrially raised foods has LOST pretty much all flavor.

      Much of that is due to their diet of nothing but corn and soybean meal.

      Try raising a flock in your backyard, where they can scrounge for insects and worms, and you will get much more flavor. The egg yolks are a deep orange color instead of the pale yellow yolks from battery cage chickens.

      Many cities and towns permit small flocks. My hometown (San Jose) allows up to six hens, which is plenty for my family.

    10. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      How do you cook a vegetarian douchebag?

      Sounds tough and stringy.

      You have to cook them sous-vide. They come out nice and tender, plus you get the added benefit of listening to them scream.

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    11. Re:Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      Fresh eggs from local hens taste remarkably better than mass-grown ones. I wish I had the room and time to keep hens, ducks, and quail.

      (Also, the alternative link in the summary is bologna.)

    12. Re:Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Your lab grown chicken and the commercially raised chicken cannot hold a candle to the chicken you raise in your own backyard. Chickens growing at the normal rate for chickens, and eating stuff that chickens normally eat, make for the best tasting chicken possible. If you've never tasted REAL chicken, I feel sorry for you.

    13. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Your best bet for supermarket tomatoes is those with a lot of vine still attached. Otherwise, you can try your luck at a farmer's market, but if you have an actual farmer's market near you then the stuff in at least one local supermarket will be pulling from the same crop.

    14. Re:Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The problem with raising your own chickens for meat is you have to kill them yourself (or have someone do it for you). I'm certainly not opposed to it, and would do it if I had to, but most people today wouldn't have the stomach for it. Beyond that, there's all the mess involved. I'd rather just pay a bit extra for the hormone-free, antibiotic-free, free-range local hippy farm meat.

    15. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      Well the industry has mostly moved away from the dark meat (which was more oily/fatty.. hence more flavor) to white meat.

      Regarding tomatoes, ones you get off-season typically come from Florida, which has one of the worst soil types for growing tomatoes.

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    16. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sucks your Yoda lingo does.

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    17. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You have to cook them sous-vide. They come out nice and tender, plus you get the added benefit of listening to them scream.

      So you get them drunk and let them get in the hottub. Marination is important, too.

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    18. Re:Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      Best part of any visit home is rolling out of bed late, wandering down for a cup of extra-strong coffee, and mom making me a couple of runny eggs and some buttery wheat toast to dunk in them. Those amazing nearly orange yolks are just so good.

      I try not to think about the fucking dinosaurs who made them, however. One running around with a live mouse in its beak, with the rest of the flock chasing after it trying to get a piece as well. The flock going crazy over a snake and pecking and kicking it to death, then eating it. Free-range chickens are no joke. They will eat just about anything. If they were bigger, like back in the old days, humans would definitely be on the menu rather than the other way around.

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    19. Re:Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      I'll chop the head off if you clean it.

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    20. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by quenda · · Score: 1

      Today's chicken, like most other industrially raised foods has LOST pretty much all flavor.

      Then you are cooking it wrong.
      I do see in my supermarket, enormous lean chick breasts sold without even skin. So dry and flavourless. People must think it is "healthy".
      But cook a whole chicken well, or thighs with skin and bone, and they are so tasty. You need the fat, and the flavour from around the bones and connective tissue. Mmmm...

    21. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by Evtim · · Score: 1

      If only I could publish a picture of my mom at 67 growing the so-called "bull's heart" tomatoes; 600-800 grams each, only flesh, so MUCH taste....

      You know, one of the very few unintentional benefits of the so-called "communism" is that until the wall collapsed we got farmer's food in the supermarkets. You know, food that today costs as fortune and is called "bio"...we called it "food". Sour milk in glass jars that had to be consumed within 72 hrs after purchase, glass re-used, meat and vegetables directly from the field. No one was running green houses or anything like that; we pickled stuff for the winter to get vitamin C (there was meager import from S. America of citrus fruits so you could get lemons in the winter but it was a scarce commodity).

      After many years of search I found (in NL) a proper source of sour milk (known as yogurt to most of the world); farmers who come once per week to A'dam. When I brought it to work most people did not like it because it was......sour?!?!? Yes, because in the supermarket a:) the bacteria is dead in order to stop the further acidification and increase shelf life; b) it is often not produced according to the best recipe anyway and c:) is chock full of additives (sugar mostly. but also agar-agar and a slew of other shit that has no business being there). When I see parents eagerly buying yogurt with sugars, syrups, fruits right next to the ad saying "Pick the healthy choice for your children" I just want to scream "Don't, you idiots, talk to your grandparents, do some research" .ahhhggh!
      BTW, the only country in the world where sour milk is produced en masse only according to the best Bulgarian recipe with imported bacterial cultures is...Japan!

      Back to my young years. The parents of my father were classical farmers. Two elderly people with very little in the way of mechanization (they'd hire machines with operators from the farmer's cooperative a couple of times per year) produced enough to feed 3 families and make all their money (they made more than both brothers and their families; all of us city dwellers; all grand-children (5) with MSc chemistry and engineering).

      Everything that they produced was beyond belief tasty and good. EVERYTHING! Granddad made between 500 and 1000 liters of wine per year alone (the front yard of the house was a vineyard, and below in the shadows all kinds of cultures that thrive; naturally they utilized every square centimeter of soil and they had another vineyard on a sunny, dry hill). What to say about the bread, the milk products, the vegetables (they lived close to the Danube river; extremely fertile soil) which grew to unbelievable sizes, the meat....grandad had one of the few clay ovens in the village that could take a whole lamb (takes 24hrs, 6 with the fire on, and the rest slow cooling down)....you have no idea how that tasted!!. They never used any other fertilizer than manure, never had anything to do with accelerated growth and shit like that.

      The big, nay enormous lie we are told is that the world would starve if we do not grow industrial food (that is the proper labeling for today, drop the bio and called it food and industrial food). Sure, all kind of advances in agriculture are useful and good; no problem using them, but we went too far to the "cheap" side of things. Cheap is in "" because I always wonder how expensive to society is obesity, diabetes, colon cancer and all the great conditions we get by eating the shit that passes for food these days.

      The industry lies constantly. The greens have gone mad, focusing on meat alone instead of farming practices (how many times we have discussed here that beef is bad for the environment when it is produced as it is today, not intrinsically where it utilizes soil that is not good for farming or it can be made decent by enormous investment in irrigation and fertilizers instead of just graze the bloody cows!). If I sit in Hollywood importing vegan food from every part of the globe (and tapping myself on the shoulder in front of the mir

    22. Re:Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Meh - my parents keep chickens and honestly - I can't tell one bit of difference between their local ones and grocery store ones.

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    23. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Try raising a flock in your backyard, where they can scrounge for insects and worms, and you will get much more flavor. The egg yolks are a deep orange color instead of the pale yellow yolks from battery cage chickens.

      I don't really have the room, my backyard is pretty small, but I do have friends that raise chickens and when they have extra eggs, I buy them and you are right, the difference in the eggs is like night and day.

      They BEST deviled eggs I've ever made are with the naturally raised ones.

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    24. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by Musical_Joe · · Score: 1

      Try raising a flock in your backyard, where they can scrounge for insects and worms, and you will get much more flavor.

      I don't have a backyard, but maybe there's a gap in the market for you to exploit: hand-scrounged insect and worm egg seasoning powder. Just a thought.

    25. Re:Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by wooferhound · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the conditions for meat chickens, while awful, is not as bad as the battery cages used for egg layers.
      Disclaimer: I keep my own chickens in my backyard. It is a fun hobby, and the eggs taste way better than store bought.

      But . . . doesen't beef have these same problems as the chickens ?

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    26. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by Camarillo+Brillo · · Score: 1

      Calling industrial raised meat and other chemical laden junk that people ingest "food" is a real insult to actual, nutritious, safe, delicious, real food. But then Amerikans will pretty much buy what ever gobstoppping junk advertisers tell them too as long as the package is cute and it costs less than a pack of cigarettes.

    27. Re: Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Exactly backwards.

      Tequila is the 'good stuff', from a specific area, Mezcal is the generic piss.

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    28. Re:Maybe lab grown chicken is best... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Yes! Forget about "Think of the Children!" . . . "Think of the Chickens!"

      No, think about the chicken children!

      These youngsters, they grow up so fast these days, don't they?

  2. editors lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    your alternative source is literally just an article about spaghetti, you dinks.

    1. Re:editors lol by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Oh man, that's the funniest thing I've seen all day!

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    2. Re:editors lol by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny
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    3. Re:editors lol by Ichijo · · Score: 2

      "Just" an article about spaghetti? Are you antipasto or something?

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    4. Re:editors lol by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      It's also short for dinkus, which greatly preceded it.

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    5. Re:editors lol by aybiss · · Score: 1

      I think you mean dingus, which preceded that particular eggcorn.

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      Don't gnocchit if you haven't tried it.

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  3. Sell it to Arbys by HornWumpus · · Score: 1, Funny

    Their customers will eat anything.

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    1. Re:Sell it to Arbys by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Better yet, market it in Tokyo. They can serve it coffee shops... on a hotdog bun topped with whipped cream and tangerine slices.

  4. REAL Alternative Source by Blue+Stone · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because the Slashdot editors are such stellar professionals and the "alternative source" to the paywalled site goes to an article on actual fucking spaghetti (with no connection to the main story at all) (ffs), here's the main article's text:

    Fast-Growth Chickens Produce New Industry Woe: ‘Spaghetti Meat’
    Jacob Bunge March 10, 2019

    Chicken companies spent decades breeding birds to grow rapidly and develop large breast muscles. Now the industry is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to deal with the consequences ranging from squishy fillets known as “spaghetti meat,” because they pull apart easily, to leathery ones known as “woody breast.”

    The abnormalities pose no food safety risk, researchers and industry officials say. They are suspected side effects of genetic selection that now allows meat companies to raise a 6.3-pound bird in 47 days, roughly twice as fast as 50 years ago, according to the National Chicken Council.

    That efficiency drive has helped U.S. meat giants such as Tyson Foods Inc., Pilgrim’s Pride Corp. , Perdue Farms Inc. and Sanderson Farms Inc. produce a record 42 billion pounds of chicken nuggets, tenders and other products in 2018. Now, it’s adding an estimated $200 million or more in annual industry expenses to identify and divert breast fillets that are too tough, too squishy or too striped with bands of white tissue to sell in restaurants or grocery stores, according to researchers at the University of Arkansas.

    “There is proof that these abnormalities are associated with fast-growing birds,” said Dr. Massimiliano Petracci, a professor at the University of Bologna in Italy, who leads a team of researchers investigating the chicken breast problems in breeds used in commercial farms.

    Two poultry-breeding firms—Cobb-Vantress, owned by Tyson, and Aviagen Inc.—supply the bulk of breeding stock for the world’s chicken companies, industry officials said. Years of matching up genetic lines has boosted each bird’s yield of breast muscle, the white meat that sells for a roughly 13% premium to overall wholesale chicken meat prices, according to U.S. Agriculture Department data.

    Researchers and breeders are still trying to pin down the exact cause of problems, a Tyson spokesman said. “While there are some factors linked to the occurrence—including bird weight, feed ingredients and the time of year the bird is grown—even a combination of these factors will not necessarily produce the same issues consistently,” he said.

    An Aviagen spokeswoman had no comment.

    Spaghetti meat—a name researchers have given chicken breast fillets that can be picked up and pulled apart by hand, or punctured easily with a fingertip—began appearing in 2015 and now can be detected in around 4% to 5% of breast meat samples, researchers said.

    “It looks like spaghetti noodles,” said Dr. Casey Owens, a University of Arkansas professor, adding that the affected muscle fibers have a stringy texture.

    Researchers also began observing white striping in commercially raised chickens around 2010, with woody breast appearing on the scene around 2013, Dr. Petracci said. Woody breast has been found in around 10% of samples, while white striping occurs in around 30% of chicken breasts sampled, he said. The severity of the problems can vary widely and often doesn’t affect the entire breast, researchers said.

    Meat scientists said they suspect the rapid growth rate of commercially raised chickens may lead breast muscle tissue to outgrow the oxygen supply provided by chickens’ developing circulatory systems, at which point muscle fibers can degrade. That can alter the density and texture of the meat, they said.

    Some restaurant and grocery companies aren’t waiting for chicken companies to solve the problems. Burger chain Wendy’s Co. in 2016 noticed toughness in some of its grilled chicken sandwiches. The chain in 2017

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    1. Re:REAL Alternative Source by skids · · Score: 1

      Thanks and I was really wondering WTH was going on with low-end chicken lately. The way it crunches (when it shouldn't) is kinda hard to describe. Sorta styrofoamish I guess,

    2. Re: REAL Alternative Source by edris90 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Instead of saying too long to read, how to keep the context honest and say you lack the necessary attention span to read it. Own your limitations . don't blame others, for your own deficiencies

    3. Re: REAL Alternative Source by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I have the necessary attention span, but not the necessary amount of free time.

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  5. Re:Had some chicken in mexico. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    'Special chicken' (meow).

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  6. Not exactly by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Their customers will eat anything.

    Close, but the truth is Arby's customers will eat anything that has Arby's cheese sauce on it.

    Even though it makes me feel slightly odd, who can resist its moist pleasures?

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    1. Re:Not exactly by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      You forgot the Horsey sauce, which is vaguely horseradish but not quite,

  7. so they have been slacking on pruning by edris90 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Like any process of selective breeding you have to go through each batch, and identify and selectively remove the ones that have genetic traits that are undesirable. Donald should read chicken industry has slacked off on their selective breeding quality control and it has resulted in undesired mutations. Always grow more than what you need because an uncertain number is going to be defective. And every so often you have to go back to going through the stock with a fine-tooth comb in order to filter out bad genetics

    1. Re:so they have been slacking on pruning by coofercat · · Score: 1

      Honestly, the only sort of chicken you should eat is the organic sort. Failing that, 'free range', corn-fed. Otherwise, you're getting some bastardised version of chicken. All but the most clueless can taste the difference too.

      Look no further than the eggs - if your pack of half a dozen all look about the same, and all crack easily and consistently, then you've got the wrong sort.

      I realise that this fast-grown bastardised stuff mostly ends up in 'fast food' rather than the supermarkets, so remember that next time you go to the chicken shop on your way home from the pub.

  8. Woody breast by brianerst · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I first noticed what is now called "woody breast" about 7 years ago, but about 2 years ago it got some prevalent that I stopped eating chicken for a while. I eventually found a local farm producer that raises their chickens humanely and doesn't use the super-growing varieties. The cost is not significantly more than factory farmed chicken, it's better for the birds and the quality is night and day better. Plus, they butcher the birds to order - you can get backs and necks for stock for pennies and those birds were happily pecking away earlier that morning.

    I listened to a podcast and did a little research on the subject and they're really stumped. The problem is that it's not unique to the fast-growing breeds - it occurs fairly regularly in the original stock too, so doing some cross-breeding to clear out the problem won't work. They have some new gizmo that can detect woody breast without contact (some difference in conductivity of sound?), which they're looking to bring online while they search for the genetic, environmental or husbandry basis of the condition. Right now, they have the processors feel the meat and redirect anything that feels hinky to the chicken nugget stream. (Apparently, the meat itself is fine, and the textural differences are obliterated by grinding.)

    I suspect that there is some genetic component that has now become concentrated in the breed stock, because there is way more of it today than even a few years ago. Thank god for my local farmer!

    1. Re:Woody breast by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I eventually found a local farm producer that raises their chickens humanely and doesn't use the super-growing varieties. The cost is not significantly more than factory farmed chicken, it's better for the birds and the quality is night and day better.

      I totally agree, we get chickens from a local farmer and we noticed the chicken was a lot better than most packaged chicken. I haven't had commercial stuff for a while so I didn't know the quality had gone downhill...

      I don't know that everyone can find farm raised chicken like that, but if you can it's worth the effort. We subscribe to a co=op from the farm, were we get a certain amount of chicken and other products per month, that helps address the costs and helps keep the farm in business.

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    2. Re:Woody breast by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      I suspect that there is some genetic component that has now become concentrated in the breed stock, because there is way more of it today than even a few years ago.

      Yes, we've known for some time now that the woodiest cocks are the most prolific breeders.

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    3. Re:Woody breast by brianerst · · Score: 1

      Jeez, I see you have an AC stalker following you around. Sorry about that.

    4. Re:Woody breast by brianerst · · Score: 1

      I don't have the numbers in front of me, but they are generally at or lower than typical supermarket prices. And everything is butchered to order - if you want your breasts butterflied or turned into cutlets, chickens trussed or spatchcocked, whole leg quarters or separated into parts, or just want a bag of backbones for stock, it's all included in the price.

      Their retail, non-bulk, price for leg quarters is about $2/lb. Between the cost of Ziplocks and freezing, I don't think you'd be spending a whole lot more if you just picked it up fresh once or twice a week. And this is high-quality, hand-trimmed meat, not the kind of bulk processed stuff you're going to find at Walmart.

  9. Why not try free-range chicken? by Archtech · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Chickens (and other poultry) raised out of doors and allowed to choose their own favourite foods are obviously healthier, happier - and provide far tastier, more healthy meat.

    The hideous fallacy of treating farming as an industry has caused an immense amount of unspeakable suffering for animals, while turning out unpleasant, tasteless meat that lacks vital nutrients - and may contain serious health hazards such as dangerous bacteria, viruses and antibiotics.

    More is not always better. Cheaper is rarely better. Making very rich people even richer is not the purpose of farming.

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    1. Re:Why not try free-range chicken? by bussdriver · · Score: 2

      Not at the PRICE they sell it. Naturally if supply is not as massive the price will go up. Too many humans is the main problem, next is the greed of humans.

      We look down on animals that breed themselves into trouble... but we are the worst of all.

    2. Re:Why not try free-range chicken? by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Well said!

    3. Re:Why not try free-range chicken? by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Free-range and wild animals can get something called rice breast. While it's harmless (they're just cysts), it looks nasty and is enough to make you lose your appetite. Usually it's only hunters who encounter it since they butcher the animals themselves. When it shows up in free-range chicken meat, the meat is probably ground up and redirected to other uses like pet food. Raising the chickens in enclosed pens (to avoid the parasites spreading from feces of birds flying overhead), and closely regulating their food avoids the infection.

    4. Re:Why not try free-range chicken? by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      The breed of chicken they are talking about here is basically useless for trying to raise outdoors. When I was a kid, decades ago, we raised one of the predecessor breeds to what's being used today. They put on eight pounds of meat in eight weeks. We tried raising them in a coop with a large fenced in area that they could move around in and scavenge for insects and seeds. What these little feathered piggies did was find the shortest path between the feed trough and the water, and only deviate from that when they couldn't get over the piggy ahead of them. They would never leave the coop if you didn't put the food or water outside. I guess you could restrict their feed enough that they are forced to go scavenging but given the amount of food they need to eat you might be hard pressed to supply enough land.

  10. TWO possible solutions here by DickBreath · · Score: 2

    1. Find a new marketing gimmick for the stringy chicken meat. Maybe it is for kids!

    2. Make fast growth chickens grow more slowly. Give them something that slows down growth to counteract the growth hormones. Then we can all enjoy two new drugs in our meat.

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      A GMO Chicken-Salmon-Ostrich chimera would taste soooooo much better.

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  11. Woody breast describes my chicken by Snotnose · · Score: 2

    I keep getting recipes calling for 6-8 oz chicken breasts. All I can find in my local megamarts are 1+ lb chicken tits. These are hard to cook, I usually end up halving them horizontally, which makes them cook better, but they don't taste better. Frozen chicken tits are iffy as hell, you never know what you're getting when you buy a bag. I've tried smaller chains and still find either 1+ lb over-amped disasters, or bags of frozen whetevs.

    If you live in a city, where do you find your normal sized chicken boobs?

    That said, I much prefer thighs over breasts. They haven't been bred to ginormous sizes, are cheaper (people are stupid), and taste better than the boobies.

    1. Re:Woody breast describes my chicken by WhatHump · · Score: 1

      Look for Halal meats. Apparently the animals are hand-slaughtered so I assume they must be raised in smaller numbers and under somewhat better conditions than the factory hatcheries. I find they are smaller and I have yet to experience these texture issues. It's a little more expensive but my family and I find the meat is tastier and more pleasant to the palate. And yes, they are available at the larger grocery chains (here in Toronto you can find them in No Frills).

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  12. My wife and I raise chickens, but not that type. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    My wife and I raise chickens, but not that type.

    It sounds like they are talking about a particular four-way hybrid.

    Products of the final cross have an oversupply of anabolic steroids. They literally sit in front of a bowl of food and eat, building muscle and turning into a sedentary "Arnold Schwarzenegger" bird.

    Saw some at a county fair auction. Other chicken types were aware of their surroundings, often looking at other chickens, hunting for bugs, strutting around and showing off, etc. These sat in a row, looking bored, ignoring the crowd and other animals, and desultorily poking at the straw on the platform in front of them, looking for something they'd recognize as food.

    If you decide not to send them to slaughter it doesn't really matter much. They outgrow their circulatory systems and die shortly after market age.

    We know one chicken farmer who stopped raising these, after he noticed that at market age the were still making the little chick "peep peep" call.

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  13. Re:They use Lysine iirc... apk by geekmux · · Score: 2

    ...they put LOADS of chickens in these crates crowded to hell & it hurts a lot of the birds (sad, but we have to eat)...

    24 hours ago you were likely completely unaware that a side effect of raising chickens is spending $200 million to throw away bad product.

    Just wanted to point out that fact to dispel that bullshit "we have to eat" excuse that helps justify cruel and inhumane treatment towards animals. Yes, we do have to eat, but if we can afford to waste that much product in the process and see NO impact on the consumer end, that says a lot about what we have to do in order to produce food for humans.

    And I'd sure as hell prefer to consume a natural product rather than Ahnold Schwarzechicken.

    There are no grocery stores starving for meat product in the US, and we can't even remember a time when there was, so let's not believe everything the meat pushers say.

  14. "Who not to buy from" by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 2

    Thanks for the text. From that information, the guys "not to buy your chicken from" are Tyson Foods Inc., Pilgrim’s Pride Corp. , Perdue Farms Inc. and Sanderson Farms Inc.

  15. Pork by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

    The pork industry worked on a similar genetic problem not too long ago. Some of the fast growth lean pigs had a gene that caused PSA 'Pale Soft Exudative' meat when they were stressed before slaughter. A combination of genetics and better pre-slaughter handling has largely fixed it.

  16. Re:Go vegetarian or vegan by jpaine619 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's all good. When the economy collapses, and civilization falls shortly thereafter, I'm gonna be hunting healthy vegans.. No GMOs/pesticides for me, just tasty and healthy soylent green made from real vegans.

  17. Re:They use Lysine iirc... apk by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

    .....to produce their eggs they put LOADS of chickens in these crates crowded to hell & it hurts a lot of the birds (sad, but we have to eat)....

    Bullshit... There is no goddamn reason to torture animals for food reasons. If you can't grow a free range chicken then you shouldn't be raising chickens. I'm all for eating meat, but it never fails to amaze me how some assholes will justify eating torture meat and then bitch when someone goes out into the woods and shoots a deer.

  18. Re:They use Lysine iirc... apk by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    You're assuming the "bad" product actually gets discarded. In reality, it's used to make pet food.

    The single biggest thing that makes "pet food" different from "human food" is the ENORMOUS variation in formulation and taste from batch to batch. Dogs don't seem to care, but people with cats are PAINFULLY aware of it. With cats, you can't just go blindly stock up on some particular brand & flavor... you have to buy a few cans from a specific (well-stocked) store (ideally, one that keeps the cans palletized & has big stacks you can dig through), run them past your cats, note their reactions... then, when you stumble upon a can they seem to really like, RUN back to the store and buy every single can of that flavor with the same specific date/batch code. And pray to your favorite deity that you can find another acceptable batch before the current one runs out.

    I first noticed the problem years ago with Fancy Feast. My cat normally liked it, but every now and then, I'd buy a 24-pack in the same flavor as always, and he'd pick away at it can after can. Then, I'd buy another 24-pack from a different store, and suddenly he'd be chowing down on it again. I finally started doing A/B testing, and discovered that I could predict with 100% certainty whether he'd like or reject the last 18 cans in a 24-pack based upon his reaction to the first 6. I have multiple cats now, and they've collectively reaffirmed my initial observation... some lots of the same nominal flavor taste better (or worse) than others.

  19. Re:They use Lysine iirc... apk by brianerst · · Score: 1

    You let your cats get too specific when they were kittens.

    If you feed your cats high quality kibble from kittenhood, they will not get finicky later. I've raised over 30 cats over 50+ years and not a one of them became a finicky eater. We had one develop an allergy that required him to switch to a restricted ingredient kibble, but he switched over just fine.

    Cats are not naturally weird, finicky, anti-social animals. If you simply interact with them in much the same way you would with a dog early on (pick them up, bother them when they're eating, add some noise to their environment, give them consistent food and attention), they will be quite pleasant, friendly little animals. But they will get squirrely on you if you treat them with kid gloves as kittens and feed into their nutty side by catering to their every whim. My aunt was super quiet and fed hers "special" food and they were neurotic as all get out.

    Of course, once you've got weirdos, there's not much you can do (we inherited a weirdo once) to change things quickly. But if you stay consistent, you can ease them out of some of their skittishness. They'll never be "normal" but they can still be good pets.

  20. wife thinks i'm crazy by schematix · · Score: 1

    I am all for GMO, round-up, pesticides, whatever, but the taste of meat these days is f'in terrible. I started buying a particular brand of $7/lb chicken breasts because they are the only ones that are reliably not "woody" and actually have taste. Beef is going the same way. No amount of salt can actually give it flavor. Please bring back meat flavored meat!! Also, farmed indian/indonesia shrimp suck, farmed atlantic salmon isn't as good as it used to be, farmed tilapia sucks, most pork sucks because its so heavily pre-brined, etc.

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  21. I've been eating woody chicken for years. by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 2

    Upon seeing this at first I thought they just put the woody breasts in frozen microwave meals, then I realized there's no way that's breast meat.

    But nobody eats that garbage because it tastes good. I eat it because I'm lazy and I want my food in about 5 minutes. I don't think it matters what brand you buy. it's all the same chicken.

    I don't think I've had spaghetti chicken, but I'm intrigued.

  22. Very disappointed by CODiNE · · Score: 1

    I've been dreaming of having spaghetti meat noodles mixed evenly with the pasta noodles since my early childhood. Then you call this "spaghetti meat". Quite disappointed. Sorry child-me.... your dream did not come true today.

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  23. National Chicken Council by mythix · · Score: 1

    I'm already happy this is a thing that really exists.

  24. THANK YOU .... Re:REAL Alternative Source by gosand · · Score: 1

    I keep thinking when I see this: "may be paywalled?". It's REALLY easy to check. And if it is, please post the paywalled link as the alternate link.
    Because I couldn't read the paywalled story, I clicked on the alternative source. * facepalm *

    It's pretty obvious nobody is steering this ship anymore.

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  25. Re:Chicken texture anyone? by Megane · · Score: 1

    There's a particular store brand of breaded chicken nuggets I like (actual breast pieces, not that chopped up garbage). Every now and then, maybe 1 in 25-50 or so, I'd get one that my best description for it is "squnchy". Sort of squishy and crunchy at the same time. I thought it might have been somehow overcooked in the microwave or maybe it was some kind of freezer burn, but all this sounds rather like what I've encountered.

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