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NVIDIA Launches New $219 Turing-Powered GeForce GTX 1660 (hothardware.com)
MojoKid writes: NVIDIA took the wraps off yet another lower cost Turing-based graphics card today, dubbed the GeForce GTX 1660. For a $219 MSRP, the card offers a cut-down NVIDIA TU116 GPU comprised of 1408 CUDA cores with a 1785MHz boost clock and 6GB of GDDR6 RAM with 192.1GB/s of bandwidth. Generally speaking, the new GeForce GTX 1660 is 15% to 30% faster than NVIDIA's previous generation GeForce GTX 1060 but doesn't support new ray tracing and DLSS features that the majority of NVIDIA's new Turing cards support. Performance-wise, GeForce GTX 1660 is generally faster than an AMD Radeon RX 590 overall. Boards from various OEM partners should be in the channel for purchase this week.
Adding a new step to the GPU process, not only do you have to feed the card textures and shaders, now you ALSO have to feed it arbitrary state machines to compute in order to provide the power it needs to perform.
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with two free games and RX 580s are readily available for $120 on ebay (just got one for $100) they're probably feeling a bit of pressure on the low end.
Also to my shock and awe AMD works now. Longtime PC gamers will remember a period of almost 5 years when their GPU drivers were a disaster. I've been gaming on it for 2 weeks now with zero crashes (knock on wood). The only downside is power consumption, it pulls about 80 watts more than a GTX 1060. But at $100 it's hard to complain.
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Or cut all that bullshit and say 'With'.
So "offers a cut-down NVIDIA TU116 GPU with 1408 CUDA cores"
Cmon man get with the times if it don't fit in a tweet people don't have the time or brain to pay attention to it.
15% boost? sounds pretty underwhelming otherwise.
Welcome to the silicon wall. It took Nvidia 36 months and roughly 50% more transistors to get that 15% of performance.
The days of doubling your performance every couple of years is done.
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While there is contention among language professionals, "comprised of" is considered standard English usage by multiple well regarded sources. Further, it is commonplace in both writing and speech. As the general public is the intended audience, and not just language professionals, it would be more accurate for them to use it as they have.
Raytraving is in the Nvidia RTX 2000-series (higher price point) and removed from the GTX 1600-series (lower price point). Not everyone is going to need raytracing, especially since so few video games support it. The GTX 1660 effectively eliminates AMD 570/80/90 video cards at the $200 to $250 price point.
I want ... it NOT to run at 95c and use 300 watts please AMD!
I'm afraid those days are done. We're pretty much at the end of the road for die shrinks. There are some who are hopeful that we'll make it to 5nm, and some Cthulhu dreamers thinking we'll get to 3.5 in a few more years.
Welcome to the end of the road.
Next up is multi-layer dies, which have same surface area, but 2-4 layers of transistors -- meaning 2-4x the heat to transfer out of the same contact patch.
You thought heat was a problem before? Hold my beer.
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WRONG!
There's some jackass going around trying to convince everyone of that, and he's dedicated his life to eradicating all instances of "comprised of" from Wikipedia, and the shitty "news" articles that covered his efforts are almost assuredly why you "know" this "fact".
But that jackass is WRONG! The usage of "comprised of" is perfectly valid, and has been in standard usage for ages. It comes from the Latin comprehendere, and basically means to bring shit together (com) before (pre) taking it (hendere). Comprise means to collectively make up, form, or constitute.
3 books that comprise a volume are the 3 books comprising that volume, and that volume is comprised of (or by) those 3 books.
The only thing you are even close to correct on is the idea that "com" may imply completeness, as in "complete". But you're still wrong because "complete" itself refers to the fucking groups of soldiers that absolutely did have things not included. When 10 guys die or are incapacitated you would complete your unit by adding more from your slaves / subjects that weren't initially included. Hell, a unit of soldiers is also known as a "complement". Complete doesn't mean everything is included, but that nothing necessary is missing. Thus a GPU "comprised of" 1408 CUDA cores is perfectly valid as long as they didn't sell it as a GPU that should have more CUDA cores. They have different SKUs for that.
Wait. For. Navi.
Anyone buying a new GPU now is a fool! Navi will be out, and it'll likely disappoint, but it'll at least be a 7nm GPU.
Nvidia will likely trot out their 7nm offerings in the fall. These will blow anything AMD has out of the water, but Nvidia will probably charge way too much for them, so some of the Navi parts may bet better for a given price point.
Note that AMD already release 7nm GPUs in the compute-focused Vega cards and their Radeon VII rebrand. This is Vega. Vega is shit. It is hot, expensive, and not very fast. As an AMD fan I must warn the world. Do not buy Vega.
The only possible reason anyone should consider Vega is if they can secure the deal with the 3 free games (not in all markets, some retailers are already out of codes, some retailers simply never give them to you, etc.) and you want or can easily sell them. I'm not touching The Division 2 because it's just The Division 2.0. The Resident Evil 2 remake I already have (it's fantastic). I've never cared about Devil May Cry.
Nah, AMD let Nvidia sit on their ass that long, and all Nvidia had to do was rebrand their machine learning cards. They didn't even design and fab something new based on that architecture. They just gave people cut down chips and said the tensor cores would run raytracing (via Nvidia's proprietary, game-crippling middleware RTX) and shitty AI upscaling that's worse than regular upscaling (DLSS).
Welcome to the silicon wall. It took Nvidia 36 months and roughly 50% more transistors to get that 15% of performance. The days of doubling your performance every couple of years is done.
Then crippled it with 2/3rds the memory bandwidth of the 1660 Ti, so it's actually capable of considerably more. As for long term, the human brain does everything it does in 15-20W. Maybe we can't do it with die shrinks but something tells me there's still a ton of potential in low-power computing.
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The Oxford Dictionaries online dictionary regards the passive form "comprised of" as standard English usage
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
RX 580 retails for under $200 for months now, which is why it's Amazon's top selling card. 1660 isn't going to displace 580, rather it's going to eviscerate the RTX line. Nvidia knows it and that's why they needed the Mellanox distraction.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
They're going to have to figure out a way to reduce voltage, then...
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What is this in terms of Seti@Home or some other thing? Every couple of years I can do everything I've done before over a decade and a half in a few weeks, making all that effort pointless. I suppose nobody should run any number crunching until the year 2525 and get everything from now until then done by February 2525.
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What the 1660 boils down to is ~15% more performance than a 1060 for the same price. Same amount of VRAM, also.
Get your act together, AMD, we're heading toward Intel-style 7% gains per GPU generation.
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mostly that they're pushing them too hard to hit competitive numbers. You end up with a card that's unstable out of the box. You can tweak voltages and such until the card is stable, and you'll get the performance that was promised on the tin, but it just feels like if I'm blowing $700 on a GPU I shouldn't have to.
As for the RX580 being top selling, I'm pretty sure that's due to miners. Miners made AMD cards rare as hens teeth right when they fixed their stability issues, killing their market share in PC gaming.
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I'm genuinely pleasantly surprised that AMD got their shit together. It also took a lot for me to "take the plunge" and try AMD after several bad experiences going back to 2004 (plus all the bad press on their drivers from 2004-2009 or so).
Something I have noticed, my RX580 is underclocked (1200, XFX apparently ships their GPUs underclocked and then has instructions on overclocking them). I haven't bothered pushing it to it's full allowed clock of 1300 (it's one of the early, low end models) because it's not worth the trouble. My bench marks are right in line with what I see online. e.g. a Passmark score of 8400 or so, etc.
It makes me wonder if nVidia games benchmarks more than I realized.
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See here.
:) ).
I spend a few months sniping ebay to get that 580 for $100 though. You'll usually pay $120-$140. But a GTX 1060 6GB will set you back $160-$180 (was trying to snipe one of those too, still am albeit at $100
The RX 570 is _nuts_ though. It out does the 1060 3gb for $50 bucks less. Heck, I've seen the 8gb version go for $140 on sale. Even with the power consumption (figure 40-60 watts more) it's a no brainer unless you've got a cheap OEM computer (in which case yeah, you're stuck with nvidia because your PCI-E slot & power supply won't deliver enough juice).
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Exactly. Plus they were 3D only cards that required a gay passthrough cable and it only worked with their proprietary GLIDE API. Fuck 3DFX.
Nope it doesn't match the 2080ti so gamers will assume it sucks for all editions like always. Nvidia has an incredible mindshare and cult following if you go on YouTube reviewer sites like Jayz2cents
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In seeing Nvidia come back to reality when it comes to their GPU pricing as of late.
Walked through a Fry's recently and saw an entire SHELF full of 2080 TI cards ( maybe 30+ units ) at $1500 each.
I'm pretty sure the price is WHY the shelf was still full of them.
Similar to the lesson Apple had to learn with their overpriced iPhone X, there is a limit people are willing to pay for any given product.
580s have sold like hot cakes, but it's only the last 3-4 months they've been available to gamers.
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The miners didn't get scared off until the 550, which is pretty useless (it's a bit faster than integrated AMD graphics). Yeah, even 560s had shot up in price.
Meanwhile you could still get 1050s for $200 bucks (crazy, since it was suppose to be a $120 card, but so be it). 1050 TIs were pushing $250, but again, you take what you can get when a bloody RX 570 is going for $350 bucks.
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Nobody was ever accused of stealing. 3Dfx' strength lay in their phenomenally efficient low-level API which was limited to 16bit color; as DirectX became more popular, 3Dfx lost their edge. When Nvidia rolled out the first 3D chip with vertex acceleration ("transform &: lighting"), it was fucking over.
This is awesome- another stupidly-expensive video card that will be obsolete in 6 months. Woo hoo!
Okay, maybe it'll actually be obsolete in 3 months, but hey- for that 90-day window I'll have a video card that my friends won't geek-shame me over. I won't have to hang my head in shame because my video card doesn't have the latest GPU made from genuine imported yak kidneys or whatever.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
https://www.theverge.com/2013/1/16/3881826/amd-accuses-bob-feldstein-of-stealing-documents-nvidia
https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-partner-program
https://www.techradar.com/news/nvidia-faces-allegations-of-anti-consumer-practices-in-the-graphics-card-world
https://www.cnet.com/news/former-nvidia-engineer-charged-with-insider-trading/
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/145830-industrial-espionage-amd-files-suit-against-former-employees-for-alleged-document-theft
Holy christ. How can you and the person you are replying to be so wrong and so confident at the same time?
The original Voodoo/Voodoo2 cards were an add-on with a VGA passthrough cable, but that was at the birth of 3d acceleration. Voodoo Rush cards existed just fine along side these as an all-in-one video card. Once we got to the Voodoo Banshee, the add-on card platform was retired. And Nvidia and ATI were just getting started, albeit with garbage hardware initially. The Voodoo 3 was an amazing card and one that people *wanted*.
3DFX's failure had nothing to do with their hardware offerings. They were top of the line and no one had a bad thing to say while they were still being sold. As we reached the Voodoo 4 era, 3DFX decided though instead of letting other people make cards with their chips, they would make and market their own cards exclusively. That is what killed them. The Voodoo 5 was highly sought after years after they stopped being produced
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Not wrong, but no one cares either.
The oxford dictionary specifically calls out that "comprised of" in this sense is common in the english language but also classically and grammatically incorrect.
This usage is part of standard English, but the construction comprise of, as in the property comprises of bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen, is regarded as incorrect.
but it'll at least be a 7nm GPU.
I'll take irrelevant shit for $100 Jim!
I agree with waiting for Navi to see what the competition brings to a table and at what price. But there's few things I could give less shits about than the transistor gate size on the die itself. Tell me the performance, the price, and if it is possible to not sound like a vacuum cleaner and those are the only things that come into any buying decision.
Oh and if it had RGB lighting, because you know can't build a computer in 2018 that doesn't look like a 70s disco on the inside.
WRONG!
There's some jackass going around trying to convince everyone of that, and he's dedicated his life to eradicating all instances of "comprised of" from Wikipedia, and the shitty "news" articles that covered his efforts are almost assuredly why you "know" this "fact".
But that jackass is WRONG! The usage of "comprised of" is perfectly valid, and has been in standard usage for ages. It comes from the Latin comprehendere, and basically means to bring shit together (com) before (pre) taking it (hendere). Comprise means to collectively make up, form, or constitute.
3 books that comprise a volume are the 3 books comprising that volume, and that volume is comprised of (or by) those 3 books.
The thing I've discovered about pedants is that those who are most pedantic about something tend to be the ones who know the least about that subject. English language pedants doubly so. Over here a lot of people get hot under the collar if you say "can I get" despite it being perfectly cromulent. Same with using literally as hyperbole. Even the Oxford English Dictionary now literally lists the hyperbolic definition of literally.
People who actually know a lot about language (or other subjects) tend to be less pedantic about it because they're smart enough to know what you're on about.
So being a pedant just makes you look like an arse, to anyone who knows anything about the subject, it makes you look like dumb arse. Language pedants doubly so because languages are inherently irregular.
But take Hart Grammer Nazis, they're, there, their.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
If you paid attention to the YouTube tech scene, dozens of videos were made about that point yesterday.
If you haven't noticed, creimer is a retard.
Fuck off.