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AT&T CEO Interrupted By a Robocall During a Live Interview (theverge.com)

At an Economic Club event in Washington, DC today, AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson was interrupted on stage by a robocall, pausing an interview in front of dozens of people and driving home that absolutely no one is safe from the spam epidemic. From a report: Over the past few months, regulators at the Federal Communications Commission have been feeling the pressure from lawmakers and consumers who are urging them to put an end to the relentless onslaught of robocalls people receive every day. Last year, consumers received over 26.3 billion of these scammy calls and the problem only appears to be getting worse. "I'm getting a robocall, too," Stephenson said during the Economic Club event, ultimately declining the call on his Apple Watch. "It's literally a robocall."

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  1. Caller ID is a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is almost NO security whatsoever, and even a total moron can install an app on his phone to spoof somebody's #, potentally ruining the victim's life.

    To not even have the most basic security in place when it was rolled out decades ago is criminal.

    1. Re: Caller ID is a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When people pull those "swat" pranks, they are spoofing their number so it appears they are at the house they are swatting.

      Guess what, some people have died from this.

    2. Re: Caller ID is a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lets put your "It won't ruin your life" to the test. How about you give me your phone number, and I phone in a bomb threat to your boss while spoofing your number? Or how about I call your friends and family with your number and tell them all kinds of rotten things.

      A voice sample from you will help, so it will be much more convincing.

    3. Re: Caller ID is a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Would you like to buy a timeshare? It's a great investment, I promise you. No? Then I'll fucking strangle you until you agree, don't you even dare try to leave.

      Thank you for making a good choicem now you can sign away your life here on the dotted line.

    4. Re:Caller ID is a joke by helpfulcorn · · Score: 3, Informative

      I always thought 911 was a joke, now it's caller ID too? Public Enemy will have to update their song.

      In reality, I don't answer the phone at all anymore unless it's someone on my contact list or they call repeatedly from the same number, then I know it's probably a person worth talking to.... probably.

      The question is, how long until robocallers start getting that people will do that?

    5. Re:Caller ID is a joke by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      The question is, how long until robocallers start getting that people will do that?

      About a year or two ago.

    6. Re:Caller ID is a joke by helpfulcorn · · Score: 1

      I get about 5 - 10 robocalls a day, and that hasn't happened to me yet... yet. Watch me just jinx myself and today receive back to back calls from the same number.

    7. Re:Caller ID is a joke by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Well, admittedly there's every possibility it is someone actively trying to reach me who isn't trying to harass me and just refuses to ever leave a message. But if that's the case, then I guess the robocallers have won.

    8. Re:Caller ID is a joke by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

      I only wish I could do this. However, my job required me to be on-call for a week at a time; it would be pretty impossible to program the phone with all the phone numbers of all potentials.

    9. Re:Caller ID is a joke by mark-t · · Score: 2
      I remember when Caller ID first started to become a thing, I always said that it needed some form of out-of-band reverse lookup in order to be practical. I have no idea why it was never implemented alongside of it.... it always seemed feasible to me to develop an out-of-band protocol for trying to talk back to the number that *YOUR* phone thinks is calling you to see if it really is... If the caller is faking some other number, then the out-of-band protocol would end up reaching some other phone which would simply ignore the lookup and without any sane response, your phone could know that it had no verified caller ID info.

      The rollout for this to fully work would have been slower, requiring more end-point upgrades before being ubiquitous enough to be practical, but I'm pretty sure that we still could have gotten there by now. Regular phone calls without caller ID would have still worked in the interim, however, just as they did while caller ID itself was initially being rolled out.

    10. Re:Caller ID is a joke by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      I only wish I could do this. However, my job required me to be on-call for a week at a time; it would be pretty impossible to program the phone with all the phone numbers of all potentials.

      Here's my solution: Set up a Google Voice number as your on-call number. Have it ring your mobile, your house phone, wherever you expect to be. Then set it up to report your Google Voice number as the originating number instead of the actual caller. Bingo, all calls to your on-call number show up as being from one single number. Whitelist that number, set a klaxon ring tone or something, and go on ignoring every number you don't recognize.

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  2. Shaken, not Stirred by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

    SHAKEN/STIR deployment should certainly be sped up, at least giving users the option to automatically decline caller-ID spoofed calls. This will make it easier on the abuse enforcement end to shut down their access to legitimate carriers, and also disable their grey routes (e.g. SIM boxes, shady VoIP providers).

  3. Shenanigans!!! by Major_Disorder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm calling it. Who wouldn't shut off their phone ringer while doing an interview? BS, pure unadulterated BS.

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    1. Re:Shenanigans!!! by Major_Disorder · · Score: 1, Redundant

      read TFS. It's his iStatusWatch. Nobody silences those. They don't ring. He just doesn't have the maturity to ignore it.

      Yeah. Sure.
      The very nature of robocalls is that they try to make themselves look like something else so you will answer them.
      So he should not have known it was a robocall, thus faked. Thus BS, as I said before. Shenanigans!!!
      Supposed to make you think something along the lines of, "This must be a really big problem if even the CEO of AT&T can't escape them. I guess there really is nothing they can do about them."

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    2. Re: Shenanigans!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It was staged. You are supposed to believe it "really happened".

    3. Re:Shenanigans!!! by Calydor · · Score: 1

      I haven't watched the speech, and I don't know how the watch works, but if it doesn't ring I assume it buzzes. He may have just moved to stop it, glanced at the display like you would a watch or anything you are about to interact with, and seen it as a robocall. I recall reading the Pixel will show a warning of SUSPECTED SCAM, so why wouldn't the iOS equivalent?

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    4. Re:Shenanigans!!! by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 2

      The same type of people who NEVER turn their ringer off.

      Or who are too stupid too.

      I actually fancy myself to be someone who is at least somewhat tech savvy and my ringer is NEVER (intentionally) on unless I'm eagerly awaiting a call and yet today the thing made noises and vibrated. It usually doesn't. How the hell did that happen? I don't know. I just wanted to throw the phone against the wall.

      It wasn't a good time. Hasn't everyone wanted to throw their phone against the wall at some point? I mean if we weren't considering the TV. I'll take destroying destroying 2 tech devices in one swift motion for $1000, Alex.

      I somehow restrained myself.

      It's not actually that I'm not somewhat tech savvy. It's that the Volume Up and Volume Down buttons are right next to each other and the Volume buttons are used for other purposes on my phone (e.g., Volume Down and Power takes a screen shot, if you're lucky Should be easy, right? Then why do I end up just turning up the volume when I want to take a screenshot? Maybe the Volume Up button should be on the right side of the phone while the Volume Down button could stay where it is ).

      Or maybe the lesson is that the CEO of a HUGE corporation isn't a phone geek because he's involved more in business strategies and marketing and things which seem like black magic to you and I. And besides, don't such calls make ATT money? I mean at least they don't hurt them.

    5. Re:Shenanigans!!! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Did it actually play the ringtone?

      If you set the phone to silent the incoming call is usually still displayed on the screen and on your smartwatch, maybe with vibration.

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    6. Re:Shenanigans!!! by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Even turning the ringer off wouldn't stop calls coming in. You would have to turn the sound off and put it into airplane mode but you would still get alerts in vibration mode.

      The best thing to do is to turn everything off. If something important enough to interrupt an interview like that a CEO of a big company would have someone with them or would have someone who knows how to get in touch with them while their phone was off.

    7. Re:Shenanigans!!! by jrmcferren · · Score: 1

      Apple Watch does in fact play a ringtone, if you use Do Not Distub mode Apple Watch follows iPhone, if you use the silent switch, both devices need silenced individually. Last meeting I was in, I switched on Do Not Disturb (both Apple Watch and iPhone) and theater mode on Apple Watch (keeps the display from turning on unless you touch the screen or press a button).

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    8. Re: Shenanigans!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      An out of state number might be my bank calling

      Yes, yes, "I'm from your bank I just need some information from you." Most decent banks will have the outbound number set to their main customer service line. You'd be stupid to speak to someone who called you claiming to be your bank.

      Anytime I get a call from my credit union, I'll pretty much always ask, can I get your extension at the main number so I can call you back. Not once has their been a complaint about me doing so.

    9. Re:Shenanigans!!! by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this is like Rudy Giuliani "getting a call from his wife" during a series of his campaign speeches.

    10. Re:Shenanigans!!! by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Yup. This is BS. AT&T is complicit in this shit, because they profit from it.
      This was a stunt to either:

      A - Show how much of a problem it is and help them continue to pretend that they can't do anything about it, deflecting any pressure from the FCC, congress, etc.

      B - Start the lip service PR "effort" to show that they're trying to combat it. Such an "effort" will probably involve asking for public money to setup systems and tools to combat spam calls. It will assuredly include exceptions for the powers that be to continue to harass you. It will definitely never result in actually fixing the problem. Best case scenario, call centers deal with a middleman to buy a cert/license to spoof, pinky swear not to abuse it, and do so anyway. The middleman sends a cut to the telcos. The telcos forward complaints to the middleman. The middleman sends those complaints to the shredder, an occasionally acts on one as a dog and pony show.

    11. Re:Shenanigans!!! by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Half? That's 99% of the ones I get.
      If I see my area code and prefix, it's a robocall.

  4. Why would the telcos want to stop this? by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They make far too much money from people answering spam calls.

    1. Re:Why would the telcos want to stop this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      nothing will change so long as origin, intermediary, and/or terminating telcos make money per call, even though the tech has existed for decades (i.e. since the debut of the feature) to combat 'fake' caller id.

    2. Re:Why would the telcos want to stop this? by AnonyMouseCowWard · · Score: 1

      Do telcos actually make money off of robocalls? If so, how?

      I would imagine very few people now pay by the minute, and that most of the time robocalls just stresses the network for no additional revenue to the telcos. How much money do you think telcos make with each incremental call?

    3. Re:Why would the telcos want to stop this? by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fine the phone company for any robocall that they cannot trace. That will motivate them to make the necessary changes to track the originator of the calls, or cut-off those intermediate telcos who refuse.

    4. Re:Why would the telcos want to stop this? by GoTeam · · Score: 1

      I like that idea. The problem is that the phone company would just charge their customers more for service to compensate for the fines they have to pay. Then they don't have to fix the problem because the customers are paying the fines for them.

    5. Re:Why would the telcos want to stop this? by ripvlan · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure they do. The phone industry group/alliance (can't remember their name) has warned that most people don't answer the phone - which means they don't use them. And if we don't need them - we'll stop buying. And legit businesses will stop spending too and try finding their customers using a different technology (aka "Reminder - you have a doctor's appt tomorrow" or "I'd like to schedule time to fix your appliances"). This discussion was during a news conference on STIR/SHAKEN.

      The spammers are bulk buying on the secondary market. I can't believe the phone companies are making money, more likely costing them to connect the call, plus build out spam tools. Many calls are originating outside the USA via VoIP.

      Is this, Cost of Business or nails in the coffin?

    6. Re: Why would the telcos want to stop this? by edris90 · · Score: 1

      This would splinter the world wide wan of pots. Then you would have to call one area and have someone manualky 3way cakl back out in order to bridge back to legacy systems, breaking the dynam8c that allows worldwide telephone access. not everyarea in the world values cat and mouse games to reliability and access.

  5. Re: Different world... but why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I keep getting several DAILY Philadelphia area code calls from some clown using several different 215 numbers. Most are hang ups, but I get partial robo-call recordings in my voicemail about auto insurance. I don't even own a car.

    Of course, these "Philadelphia" calls could be originating from anywhere in the world, because the even bigger, stupid, garish, and smelly clowns who designed Caller ID decided "fuck the telephone subscriber, we don't need security, there's money to be had!", and there is little or nothing the subscriber can do to take action against the rogues.

    I guess we need to have very tight whitelists and hope no important call from a non-whitelisted number is missed.

  6. Load of Bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All that is required is:

    (1) Reverse Path Verification (That is, do not accept terminations from a network that could not be the originator)
    (2) Do not permit originators to set "Caller ID" to a number they have not rented (from the provider).

    Problem solved.

    However, this will never happen because in case (1) the terminating network makes money from terminating incoming calls. They will not make this money if they refuse to terminate the call. Therefore, they have an interest in not verifying anything at all as that will adversely affect their revenue stream.

    In case (2) the provider (call originator) makes money from originating calls. They do not care that the "caller id" is fraudulent (and they know it is fraudulent because they do know which customer to charge for the call origination). They have an interest in not preventing fraudulent "caller id" since that will adversely affect their revenue stream.

    There is absolutely no need for this Stirred and Shaken crappola that will do nought whatsoever.

    Furthermore, there is no evidence that dingy-doofus was interrupted on stage by a robocall SINCE HE DID NOT ANSWER THE CALL AND NO WITNESSES HEARD THE ROBOCALL. It was more likely his boyfriend calling to remind him to bring home some more lube.

    1. Re:Load of Bullshit ... by LostMyAccount · · Score: 1

      Parent poster is absolutely correct.

      A database of which carriers can terminate which numbers is already in existence and used every day -- otherwise we wouldn't have phone number portability. It should be easy to determine if calling party identification is legitimate and that the source of a call is legitimate just based on whether you know if it is the termination path for a reversed call.

      There are some legitimate reasons for misidentifying a call (call origin does not match call termination path), but these could be handled administratively or via shifting the technical burden to the originator. If you're a call center, you may have to actually route your calls through your customer's network and they may have to deal with the complexity of this, but with VoIP and the Internet, they should be able to do this pretty easily.

      I would say the reasons carriers don't implement it is:

      1) Cost/complexity -- it's not like reverse path verification is a feature that's enabled and they're just not using, it'd probably involve costs to implement and complicate long-term maintenance and operation.

      2) I'd wager the telephony industry more widely exploits the lack of reverse path verification, and more than just for remote call center stuff. I'd guess this gets (ab)used for various kinds of telecom redundancy, cost/carrier shifting (you really care about incoming call quality/reliability, but outbound needs to only be extremely cheap). It's something akin to doing split path IP routing, where you want to put most of your traffic on a cheap, high-bandwidth circuit with no static IPs but you want to associate it with IPs from your expensive, high-value circuit. You can do this with BGP routing, but it's hard and expensive. With phone calls, split paths are simple and easy.

      3) Carrier complicity -- they make money off calls, so they have an incentive to maximize calls. Just like credit card companies make money off even fraudulent transactions. Any security which limits transactions is seen as a profit threat, even if/when it lowers fraud rates. The incentive is to maximize transactions and shift fraud costs elsewhere, like to credit issuers and merchants.

    2. Re:Load of Bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I manage the telephony at two locations. For a while, I could send whatever caller ID I wished on the PRI at one location but the other location only allowed me to send caller ID from the pools of numbers that were routed to me over that circuit. If every telco enforced this it would cut down on the spoofing dramatically.

    3. Re:Load of Bullshit ... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      (1) Reverse Path Verification (That is, do not accept terminations from a network that could not be the originator)

      Not possible, since you only know the networks you are directly connected to... and the network you are connected to may only be just trying to forward you the details it was given itself. There may be any number of reasons that a call that you think should have come from network Y because that's the route that you would have taken to reach it from your network might instead be coming to you from network X.

      A related idea to this that I think *would* work is end-to-end reverse path verification, which at the end point directly connected to the receiving phone, a brief out-of-band communication is attempted with the originating phone caller, and asks it if that number is really calling you. the caller is not spoofing, everything is fine and the caller ID shows up normally, while otherwise, unless the caller directly controls the number they are spoofing, the end point that your phone ends up contacting to ask if they are calling you isn't going to give any kind of sane response, so your phone can know that any claimed ID in that circumstance is forged.

      Put the burden on every single exchange that a call might happen to pass through to verify the identity of the caller when you can just leave it up to the caller and receiver to sort out.

      Because the communication would happen out of band, initiated by the receiver of a phone call, the caller has absolutely no way to control the outcome of the communication unless they also control the phone number that the communication is going to ultimately reach.

    4. Re:Load of Bullshit ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      A decent post ruined in the last sentence by a random outburst of homophobia. Come on AC, you can be better than that.

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  7. Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

    I've seen a dramatic drop in robocalls to my cell phone over the past two weeks. Prior to last Monday my average was ~ 5 robocalls per day. Last week I had 2 all week. This week I've had 2 so far. I haven't changed anything - I've had the same phone number for 20+ years and same carrier for 10+ years - so I don't know what happened.

    As much as I would like to think that John Oliver's move might have something to do with it, I still don't expect the FCC guys have any concern for us poor bastards on our regular consumer-grade cell phone plans.

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    1. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have had none this year and one last year. Unsolicited commercial call, that is. Robo-calls I never had a single one in my life. Of course, here the robo-caller pays a $50'000 fine per incident and repeat offenders may go to prison. Europe is a bit ahead of the US in these matters.

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    2. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Not for me— four social security scams, two Chinese consulate scams, but only one or two outright hang ups. Similar situation, same number 17 years.

      And for the jackass that screwed up his email address with mine for Mass Goalies, please tell them they need an unsubscribe function! They aren’t as fun as the ones from Irish politicians.

    3. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2

      Indian recruiters. My profile is up in several places so that job candidates can look me me up. Any text change on the profile triggers a wave of non-technical people from India, pretending that they are from the USA, with technology jobs from around the world.

    4. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      I could be technical problems.

      Facebook, Google, and Uber had technical problems recently.

    5. Re: Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by houghi · · Score: 1

      In Europe the caller also pays the call. The xell phone numbers have a separate atea code, so you will know, as a caller, if extra charges apply.

      None of the "you call, I pay" stuff.

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    6. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      I still keep a land line for emergency use since I live in tornado alley.

      It gets called about 6 times every day just after noon, and other 8 times every day between 8 and 9pm.

      I never answer it. It is meant for outbound calls only.

      I am fairly sure that a good portion of them are political ads, since this is / will be an election year, but the total volume has not really changed from this. I think it is the max that can squeeze in, in the "hot" hours.

      I work 3rd shift, so I have gotten used to sleeping through the phone ringing (though I have considered disabling the ringer). Unless they want to call at 7 to 8am, they are not going to get me at my prime time hours. :P

      Glad to see they still havent gotten that brazen with people's cell numbers yet, but it's only a matter of time. This is what naked capitalism looks like. The next time some schmuck advocates a market based solution, remind them of the cold calling menace, and ask how well that market self-regulation has worked.

    7. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      This is what naked capitalism looks like. The next time some schmuck advocates a market based solution, remind them of the cold calling menace, and ask how well that market self-regulation has worked.

      Indeed. Horrible.

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    8. Re: Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Of course the cell providers still try to gouge the customer, especially on roaming (happens a lot in Europe, lots of countries), but EU law will put an end to that pretty soon.

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    9. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      How practical is it to just block all calls except for a specific whitelist?

      You could whitelist your friends and institutions like your bank who handily spoof their called ID number to the main switchboard one. Everything else just silently drop the call.

      How often does an unknown number make an important call to your phone? Do you want to talk to anyone who doesn't also have your email address to arrange to be whitelisted first?

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    10. Re: Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by houghi · · Score: 1

      Roaming is a thing of the past already for inside the EU since while. No roaming costs.

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    11. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      Good idea, but in practice it doesn't work because these jackasses are spoofing numbers on top of their robocalling. I've had it happen more than once that they used a number that was in my contacts list. Ever since dumbass Facebook allowed people to be searched via their security number, this has been a major issue - they are simply scripting their searches to harvest numbers and forming a matching dataset with your friends/family, and then spoofing their numbers when they dial you.

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    12. Re: Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Already effective? I thought 2020. My mistake.

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    13. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Europe is a bit ahead of the US in these matters.

      The fine is $40,000 in the US.

      The problem is that there is no one to fine when the callers originate from India. Perhaps if the perpetrator cannot be found then they could fine the phone company? That fine would quickly motivate the companies to track down the actual originator of the call.

    14. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by hawk · · Score: 1

      I've seen it, too.

      I changed my phone number a month or so, because after three years it was still on the list for every payday loan and bad credit scheme from the prior owner (texts *always* addressed to the same name).

      I still got the robocalls on a never before issued number, but they seem to have stopped.

      They had gone through the roof a couple (few?) months ago. Before that, Tmobile usually caught them as "spam likely", and now I'm not seeing them at all again.

      I suspect that someone found away around the screening, and then Tmobile figured it out.

      hawk

    15. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      I suspect that someone found away around the screening, and then Tmobile figured it out.

      I do happen to be a TMobile customer, but I would think it would be awfully dangerous for Tmobile to play around with a technical approach to this problem - especially without warning customers. While the robocalling is overwhelmingly used for obnoxious (and sometimes outright illegal) purposes, there are also times when number masking is actually useful and legal. They're playing with fire if they are doing this.

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    16. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      What has that to do with anything? You have no argument and nothing worthwhile to contribute so you complain about something entirely different? Are you mentally challenged?

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    17. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      They eventually have to sell you something. That is when you get them. Also, they will pay the long-distance charges.

      But the details do not matter. This works here and in the US is does not. That is what matters in the end.

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    18. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      It was a response to the idea that somehow Europe is ahead of the US on this. We have to deal with the First Amendment, we cant ignore it. Robo calls ARE speech, its not as simple as silencing them.

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    19. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by hawk · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that Tmobile simply shows "scam likely" as caller id and puts through the call, unless you choose to reject them.

    20. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls last 2 weeks? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that Tmobile simply shows "scam likely" as caller id and puts through the call, unless you choose to reject them.

      Indeed that is what they do. However in my case, the past few weeks now I've even seen fewer of those. I used to see around 5 "scam likely" calls every day. Now I see fewer than 2 per week. The shift happened abruptly, just a few weeks ago now.

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  8. Scambaiting by christoofar · · Score: 1

    Basically the only thing pushing back against the tide are around 2,000 nutjobs with homebrew Asterisk servers trying to robodial back against 100,000+ autodialers dumping billions of calls on the telecom network.

    Thanks to robodialers being employed everywhere, they're pushing voice calls into obsolescence. My job moved to a closed SIP network off of PSTN years ago, and I only have 2 relatives left alive who send me PSTN calls, the rest text. When those 2 people die---no more need for voice service.

  9. No issue where I am by rgbe · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've never had a robo call in my life. I don't live in America. I don't know the laws in my country, but the problem just does not exist here. I've had the occasional (like once every 2 years) have a random person call me regarding a survey or trying to sell me something.

    1. Re:No issue where I am by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I've never had a robo call in my life. I don't live in America. I don't know the laws in my country, but the problem just does not exist here. I've had the occasional (like once every 2 years) have a random person call me regarding a survey or trying to sell me something.

      The robocalls are typically from Indian call centers, to primarily English speaking countries rich enough (and populous enough) that they can get $100-200 US from them without batting an eye. So relatively rich countries, typically England, US, and Canada.

      And yes, English speaking is important - in Canada, scammers get angry if you ask them to speak in French. (It's your right to do business in either English or French).

      So you probably don't get calls purely because either where you live is not considered English speaking, or rich enough to be worthwhile to scam,

    2. Re: No issue where I am by Frederic54 · · Score: 5, Funny

      > > The US is a target because everyone knows our language and we have money.

      > That doesn't explain why this problem doesn't exist in the UK and Ireland.

      Because you don't have money?

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  10. Oh, what is his cell number? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

    While we are at it, how about home, office, secretary. Oh, and the same for all the other carriers, land and wireless. I sense a good Kickstarter coming.

  11. Re:Different world... but why? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    You're just lucky. Once some asshole puts your number in the list though, you'll never be free of them. They call me 2-3 times a day now.

  12. Now THAT's Showmanship by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    If only it weren't so fucking obvious. If he were frequently pestered by robocalls he'd be like the rest of us and simply never answer his phone, especially during an interview.
    This is on par with that stupid Bill Gates bullshit "here's a jar of mosquitoes - see how big a threat Malaria is now?"

  13. dialtone patent trolling by AndrewFlagg · · Score: 1

    maybe a dialtone patent troll at work? we have the horsepower to intercept every call in the US, voice print the caller and drop the packets if they like... why not just let the FCC let the NSA do it.. packet sniffing 101... smells like a scam, looks like a scam.. quacks like scam, walks and talks like a scam.. reverse traverse to caller via packets and disconnect service to foreign call center.. uh.. took like 10 minutes to for the NSA to add the rules to their filters and then click enable... no privacy invasion, just packet inspection.. maybe? maybe not?

  14. The irony is ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... the call was to ask if he was happy with his long-distance phone carrier.

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  15. Robocalls are impossible to stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... says only country where this regularly happens.

    You just gotta get over the idea that everyone has a god given right to advertise to anyone anywhere. But getting that particular meme out of the US consciousness is going to be difficult.

  16. My (theoretical) solution for individuals by lhaeh · · Score: 1

    I know you can setup asterix virtual PBX to have an automated system that makes callers answer some type of prompt to get your phone to ring. I don't think it will work on smartphones, but there must be some sort of thing that can do this.

    That way anyone you know who calls you gets through automatically based on their phone number, anyone else will have to use touch tones to answer a basic question (like picking your name out of a 1-9 numbered list) or do some very easy math.

  17. The advice on robocalls is wrong by Vermonter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We're always told - don't pick up, don't engage. But the truth is, if we want to stop these robocalls, then if you can you *should* answer, you *should* engage, and you should try to keep a live person on the line with you for as long as possible. This will cost the scammers money... after all, talking to a human isn't free; that human is getting paid. Or if they aren't paid by the hour, then if they are busy with you who (presumably) knows its a scam, then they are unavailable to be scamming others.

    If we as a culture decided to waste a few minutes of the scammers' time with every phone call, then they would quickly lose their value, and many scammers would go out of business.

  18. premium number loophole by esperto · · Score: 1
    I remember seen a news item 15 years ago or so where a British dude was been sued because he was misusing a premium number that charges the caller when receiving a call, basically he was receiving a lot of telemarketer calls and robocalls so he decided to convert his number to one that charges when receiving a call and would happily stay a long time with them on the phone while earning 50p per minute.

    This would help solve a lot of this issues.

  19. US problem only? by sad_ · · Score: 2

    i hear a lot of US people complain about robocalls, it seems to be a real, serious problem.
    it's something i never ever hear about with my friends, colleagues, family, etc here in EU.
    i'm really interested to know/hear why this seems to be a US only(?) problem, what's stopping robocallers in EU?

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  20. Re:Anyone else had FEWER calls the last 2 weeks? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    I could be technical problems.

    That's what I've been wondering. The coincidence of the timing is interesting though.

    Facebook, Google, and Uber had technical problems recently.

    I've never used Facebook or Uber in any way, shape or form. Facebook of course has been known to build profiles of non-users but they've never had my phone number or any other information that I would enter in to it in the process of starting a profile. Uber should know little to nothing of me as I've never signed up for them or installed their app on any phone I've ever owned.

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  21. Stop trying to steal from me and give to corps by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

    (2) Do not permit originators to set "Caller ID" to a number they have not rented (from the provider).

    That's not a "rented phone number". By federal law that's my number. I can take it to another provider. It's like owning a static IP, vs. renting one from your ISP. You get to take it with you.

    Which is good, because number lockin was a way to keep people from moving to another provider, and caused rates to go higher.

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    1. Re: Stop trying to steal from me and give to corps by edris90 · · Score: 1

      The only things that are truly yours are that which you can maintain possesion of without additional payment

    2. Re: Stop trying to steal from me and give to corps by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      By that logic, there's almost nothing you own. Land and vehicles require fees every year. So do web-domains and professional licenses. Even most people's bank/stock accounts have maintenance fees.

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  22. Enough with the "Literally" by bobbutts · · Score: 1

    It's literally a robocall.

    Really? So you mean it's not figuratively a robocall? The pervasive unnecessary use of the word "literally" needs to stop.

  23. Re: Different world... but why? by J053 · · Score: 1

    I don't get many on my mobile number, but...

    I recently got a new Google Voice number, which I have never given out to anyone, and it gets repeated calls from the same number(s) (different numbers, but on any given day repeated calls from the same one) almost daily. I just disable notifications from Voice, and every day or two block and report as spam all of those numbers.

  24. Re: Stop trying to steal from me and give to corp by edris90 · · Score: 1

    Even if you own your land, then you are still renting it, in the form of land seizures if you dont pay yearly taxes (rent). ANYTHING that requires additional expendeture to not be siezed is by measure rented. Now what things ate and what call them to manipulate complacency are often quite different