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HardOCP Is Getting 'Mothballed' As Kyle Bennett Accepts Job At Intel (hardocp.com)

Slashdot reader grasshoppa writes: Kyle Bennett, long-time owner/operator of one of the last independent review sites, HardOCP, announced that effective April 1st he will be leaving it behind to start a new career at Intel. "Effective April 1, 2019 I will be taking on the position of Director of Enthusiast Engagement for Intel's Technology Leadership Marketing group," Bennett writes. "Intel wants to reconnect with the top of the high-performance consumer pyramid which contains hardware enthusiasts, overclockers, gamers, and content creators. This is the part of our community that has great influence through word of mouth and online engagement. I'll be focusing on helping Intel get back in touch with this audience and re-establishing a voice and dialog on where the company is going with its future technologies. If you are reading this, you are very likely already part of this group."

He goes on to say that he does not want to sell HardOCP or HardForum and see those properties turned into something that he would not be proud of. Instead, "HardOCP will be 'mothballed,'" he writes. "It will no longer publish news, editorial, or hardware review content. [...] HardForum.com will be sold to a company that I have done business with for years, one that I can trust to run it in the way you are familiar with. HardForum will be demonetized and all advertising and commission links removed. Simply put, HardForum will not make money in any way..."

You can read Bennett's full statement here.

92 comments

  1. Corporate shlll by Enigma2175 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I will be taking on the position of Director of Enthusiast Engagement for Intel's Technology Leadership Marketing group," Bennett writes. "Intel wants to reconnect with the top of the high-performance consumer pyramid which contains hardware enthusiasts, overclockers, gamers, and content creators. This is the part of our community that has great influence through word of mouth and online engagement. I'll be focusing on helping Intel get back in touch with this audience and re-establishing a voice and dialog

    Wow, he's sure got the corporate marketroid-douchebag speak down pat.

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    1. Re:Corporate shlll by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The translation of what he said is roughly, "We want to infiltrate the maker community, mine them for good ideas, and then monetize the hell out of whatever we find."

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    2. Re:Corporate shlll by jimbo · · Score: 1

      Doesn't take much to become a marketing droid. But look at all those titles, in just one line!

    3. Re:Corporate shlll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He in fact will not be a shill, since a shill by definition is someone who hides his allegiance.

      Everyone needs a job and there's nothing wrong with doing marketing. Shilling is much worse, but that's not what he's doing.

    4. Re:Corporate shlll by dromgodis · · Score: 1

      there's nothing wrong with doing marketing

      Citation needed.

    5. Re:Corporate shlll by war4peace · · Score: 1

      there's nothing wrong with doing marketing.

      Citation needed.

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    6. Re:Corporate shlll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    7. Re:Corporate shlll by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with marketing in principal, it's just that most of the people doing it are evil and I'm going to do everything in my power to block them.

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    8. Re: Corporate shlll by Type44Q · · Score: 1
      Marketing - 'lying" by any other name - is evil although a lot of [mostly harmless] and otherwise well-intentioned idiots tend to engage in it.

      Fixed that for you.

    9. Re: Corporate shlll by Fusen · · Score: 1

      Except it isn't is it. As the OP said, the principcal of marketing is to show what you have. If I am selling lemonade and I put up a sign saying "You can buy lemonade here" then that is marketing and it isn't lying.

      What you're referring to is just lying via marketing.

    10. Re:Corporate shlll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While his language is rather transparent, why shouldn't he take a job with Intel if it was almost tit for tat an enthusiast position comparable to what he presently does? While we can all bemoan Intel for a plethora of reasons, times change, and so do people.

      HardOCP, has been around for what seems forever. Certainly one of the sites I stumbled onto early on. Am I sad to see it go? Absolutely. I'm losing a part of something that seemed to always be there when I wanted to check up on certain PC enthusiast content.

      That said, where will the 'people' in that realm, go to now? With it being mothballed, no other site springs to mind to pick up this group.
      Phoronix? Not seeing it. PCPartpicker? Not seeing it.

      I wouldn't be surprised if someone, or multiple HardOCP admins and a large swatch of members, up and 'mirrored' the site in almost every fashion under a new site/name to keep that group together.

      I just don't see it dying, but like most things on the Internet, something else will come along.

    11. Re: Corporate shlll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the principcal of marketing is to show what you have"

      No, that's advertising. Marketing is getting people to buy things they don't need.

    12. Re: Corporate shlll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't get to make up your own definition.
      Advertising is marketing by definition.

      "Marketing:
      the action or business of promoting and selling products or services"

  2. Connecting with Enthusiasts? by Tavor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maybe he can get them to stop the confusing mess of which features are enabled and disabled across the lines of chips. I hate having to dig through the Intel Ark to find out which used sku's have ECC memory support, which ones have IOMMU support, which ones have vPro, which ones have AES-NI, etc. Especially galling is the ECC support, as it's enabled and disabled seemingly at random throughout the consumer space (where AMD has it across the board.)

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    1. Re:Connecting with Enthusiasts? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 3, Funny

      You said AMD in the Intel story.

      Drink!

    2. Re:Connecting with Enthusiasts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD AMDBAMD AMDNMABD AMDNANDMA AMDNA

      I give *hic* up.

      "Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING."

    3. Re:Connecting with Enthusiasts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until recently, Intel only had ECC in basically all Xeon and some i3 CPU's.
      It was VT-d (IOMMU), HTT Hyperthreading, and AES-NI, which tended to vary.

      Yes, AMD thankfully has ECC on all their Ryzen and newer CPU's.
      AMD includes a Radeon core on one of their lines.
      AMD has better pricing / performance.
      AMD uses a bit more power / performance.

      Either way, AMD is the shit and Intel snobs can suck a dick.

    4. Re:Connecting with Enthusiasts? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Maybe he could get them to release models with the Management Engine ripped out, or at least lobotomised.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    5. Re:Connecting with Enthusiasts? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      LOL Don't be naive.

    6. Re: Connecting with Enthusiasts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gloat about it. Only nasty haters will mind

    7. Re:Connecting with Enthusiasts? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why? The world has proven quite conclusively that no one cares.

    8. Re:Connecting with Enthusiasts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intel has higher performance per core.

  3. April 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    April 1st you say...

    1. Re:April 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was my first thought.

  4. Re: Another nail in the coffen for Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice ring to it. Hahahahaha (knee slap)

  5. Integrity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This decision shows a lot of integrity on his part. A "good news" story even for users of that site.

  6. Sellout... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 1

    The dude could have been content being a hero in the enthusiast/IT community. He could have been remembered long after he was gone.

    Now... he's killing the baby for a cash payout. He'll be remembered for this.

    But who cares... it's all about the big bucks.

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    Another consultant who stuck it out.

    "We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx..."
    1. Re:Sellout... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Everyone's gotta eat. He didn't slap the community across the face by turning it into Intel's soapbox. He did the graceful and honest thing by stepping away when he couldnt claim impartiality.

    2. Re:Sellout... by BenFranske · · Score: 4, Informative

      Intel has been hiring away all the tech hardware reviewers it seems. Ryan Shrout from PCPerspective, then one of the people he sold PCPer to (Alvan Malvantano) and now Kyle from HardOCP have all gone to Intel. It's quite the interesting strategy on Intel's part. On the other hand if you want to work for Intel it seems like a good idea to start a hardware review site and you'll probably get a job offer if you can attract any sort of following.

    3. Re:Sellout... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one remembers the countless unnameable soldiers who fought in the American Revolution.

      Everyone in the "history community" remembers Benedict Arnold.

      If he wanted to be remembered, looks like he did exactly the right thing.

    4. Re:Sellout... by Urinal+Pube · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The dude could have been content being a hero in the enthusiast/IT community. He could have been remembered long after he was gone.

      Now... he's killing the baby for a cash payout. He'll be remembered for this.

      But who cares... it's all about the big bucks.

      I suspect it's less about selling out, and more about finally letting go of something that was costing him money out of pocket to run every month. There's something to be said for not having to worry about whether or not you can afford health insurance for your family.

    5. Re:Sellout... by Can'tNot · · Score: 2

      Well it's a good idea to start a hardware review site twenty years ago, anyway.

    6. Re:Sellout... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, it only took 20 years for the job offer to come in.

    7. Re:Sellout... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Now... he's killing the baby for a cash payout.

      Being a hero doesn't pay bills.

    8. Re:Sellout... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its easy to get a job at intel, have a little skill and live in the area where they employ > 2000 people (SF, Portland, Chandler, in the US for example).

      Its hard to get a cushy job like this with 'strategy' in the title where you get a mid 6 figure salary for being a mascot.

    9. Re:Sellout... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Are they worried about AMD? Or trying to build up their GPUs to compete with Nvidia?

      They already had a pretty solid reputation in the enthusiast/gaming communities due to their CPUs being the only real option for so many years, and even now being pretty competitive.

      What is behind this?

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    10. Re:Sellout... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if it has a May pole.

    11. Re:Sellout... by Deathlizard · · Score: 1

      The cynic in me believes that Intel is targeting reviewers that are pro AMD. Kyle was pretty big on AMD as of late with the Nvidia NDA and Intel shenanigans.

      On the other hand, I've been reading HardOCP for decades now. I can't see Kyle jumping to Intel just for a big bag of money.

    12. Re:Sellout... by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      I think Intel is co-opting someone who, in marketing-speak, is a 'thought leader' for their target audience. We'll have to see how long that lasts for him.

    13. Re:Sellout... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Influencer" is the current term.

      Like the Kardashian twats, and the 2 twats who just got kicked out of USC for their actor parents bribing people to get them admitted. Sad for the 'crew team' they were purportedly recruited for. I've found that a team cocksucker...er, I mean, coxswain...is super valuable.

    14. Re:Sellout... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heaven forbid he be able to feed his family

    15. Re:Sellout... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though he said it wasn't for financial reasons

  7. He ALWAYS worked for Intel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Everyone in the industry knows the big tech sites like Toms Hardware, Anandtech, and (once) HardOCP have always been in Intel's pocket- indeed these sites rely on the regular payments from Intel's slush funds.

    Remember Intel's Netburst- 100 times worse than AMD's Bulldozer? Well at the time AMD had the vastly superior AMD x64 chips and true dual core, yet the big sites all told readers that Intel's Netburst (and Intels race to 10GHz) were the future.

    Today AMD has the vastly superior Zen architecture, so the same sites tell readers only games matter- and then only the games so badly coded they rely on single threaded performance.

    Zen 2 (Ryzen 3)- released a few months from now- sees AMD reach 5GHz, 16 cores, and use a fraction of Intel's power consumption when doing the same amount of work. So Intel needs some super special shilling, and the ultra corrupt Kyle is the man for the job. After all he has years of experience doing exactly this.

    1. Re:He ALWAYS worked for Intel... by Joreallean · · Score: 1

      Except pound for pound the Intel still out performs it in all the tasks requested by that target hardware enthusiast audience. The problem is those enthusiasts have shit tons of money now so the economic advantage that AMD continues to try and hold doesn't cut it anymore. People are willing to pay the premium for a higher performing product. Please tell me the percentage of Ryzen and Threadrippers that are going into the Data Center these days? What kind of percentage is going into the AI market compared to Nvidia? AMD continues to try and compete and choose to put out sub-par products that don't perform well in real world applications to undercut Intel on price. Games do matter and the economic advantage of a 10-20% price cut doesn't matter when the performance is king.

    2. Re:He ALWAYS worked for Intel... by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      What is sub par? The 5-10% IPC ryzen is behind intel? That is due to change in july, and Intel will be behind again like in 2003. Then will you still say intel is better? Because OP is talking about zen 2, and the demoed low clock speed vs dual proc intel system. at almost half the power. Remember in gaming IPC matters, more so on the shitty single threaded games that are a decade or so behind in the times. What dirty tricks will intel resort to this time? Remember ryzen launch? All the FUD intel spread because they realized they were going to get surpassed in a year or so unless they could get their broken 10nm to work its been 3 years since I was promised a 10nm chip from intel. Then intel and their "AMD is just gluing chips together! Its not real cpu!!!" with their next cpu "glued together" as they put it. Intel hasn't innovated in 20 years, AMD has and Intel has copied. They tried to with IA64, well where did those end up?

    3. Re:He ALWAYS worked for Intel... by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Depends on your workload. I'm atypical but my desktop workload is quite a few VMs for development, video editing, and standard desktop use (browsers and terminals). The problem is, "true gamers" aren't ever CPU bound in games, so that 5-10% IPC advantage doesn't matter in practice. So if you want to spend all that money on a super fast CPU for single-threaded performance it is wasted on gamers. The only time they aren't CPU bound is running games at 1080p at absurd refresh rates that most monitors cannot even display. There is only a small, specific set of scenarios where Intel is faster than AMD in practice for gamers.

      And with that said, Ryzen SYSTEMS are far less expensive, and have ECC support (if you care). The motherboards are less expensive and the CPU are less expensive, and their motherboard chipsets/sockets last far longer than Intel, who seem to like to change the socket every generation.

      This is an obvious sign that Intel took this market for granted and are realizing AMD is making serious inroads.

      I don't really have a brand affinity, I used Intel CPU for years and they were great, but when I built my last system, for me, Ryzen was a CLEAR winner given my requirements. Which again, I totally agree, is not your normal, standard use case.

    4. Re:He ALWAYS worked for Intel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are full of shit... In multithreaded programs AMD outperforms Intel. Hell even the old ass bulldozer with multthreaded code did pretty good. Intels old monolithic core designs put them behind the curve. You are such a sap to buy into the whole Intel marketing garbage... I see you are already buying in to Enthusiast Engagement for Intel's Technology Leadership Marketing group mantra.. Good luck with that.

  8. April fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice April fools!!!

  9. Anyone can be bought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes it takes huge multinational with nearly infinite money

  10. Re:Another nail in the coffen for Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Many years ago I was just getting in to the hardocp scene. In a forum post I made a simple joke. Nothing distasteful or derogatory. A mod then bans me temporarily. Surprised, I posted in the mod forum asking what I had done wrong so I could avoid such mistakes in the future. Afterall, I'm just a normal human will no ill intent. Mr. Kyle the dickhead then comes along and perma-bans me for that post. To this day I have no idea why other than he is a jerk.

    From that day on I have had hardocp blocked in DNS on all my networks.

  11. Re: Grow the fuck up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What cash cow or easy money did you sacrifice for a bunch of dumbass stranger gamers on the internet?

    Oh right, nothing ever. You just come here to whine like a bitch. He always ran the site for money. He cant sellout. That is like saying I am a sellout because I gave up my mid paying corporate job for a high paying corporate job.

    You are a dumbass. He owes no one anything.â(TM)

  12. Director of enthusiastic engagement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost the right aphorism for a pimp. Need a job title? Just "Cook" one up at Apple or Google, now Intel has taken the crown from Google in that area of expertise. Leave it to the masters of Sillycon Valley and the high quality dope they smoke down there in California to think up new titles for their employees.

  13. Re:Another nail in the coffen for Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your story is full of shit. Kyle's an asshole, true, but he's a fair one.

    You probably posted horse porn and were a dick when called out for your idiocy. That's the only way I've seen folks get a permaban.

  14. That site looks like it's right out of the 90s.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, I forgot where I'm at.

  15. April 1st aye? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else find the date an odd choice?

  16. Oh, on April 1st huh by ocsibrm · · Score: 0

    It's just a good thing that April 1st isn't known as a day for any sort of lie, prank, or tomfoolery, so I know that this is completely legitimately happening.

  17. Re: Connecting with something else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Non-x86

  18. can't buy them ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can't buy them to do your bidding , then just offer them a job.

    Whatever it takes to get unbiased people out of marketings way. This guy bought, one less worry for marketing and its lies.

    As if intel really needs someone like this to know what consumers want, LOL LOL LOOL

  19. That's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    really gross.

  20. Re:Another nail in the coffen for Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe you said something bad/against US wars/troops. They are manly, manly men but in reality they are the true snowflakes

  21. Marketing is literally manipulative lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for the purpose of fraud / ripping off.

    That is its only real purpose.

    So your statement only reminds me of an analogous one: "Hitler did nothing wrong.".
    And thereby, I end this discussion. :)

  22. Re: Another nail in the coffen for Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's absolutely true. Maybe he has mellowed some these days, I don't know. This was a LONG time ago, many years. Still pisses me off though because it was basically an attack by a site owner.

  23. Re: Another nail in the coffen for Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come to Papa little Kyle, no more strangers in forums saying bad things about you. Kidsy kissy

  24. Same job? Slow news day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, he is going to continue doing the same thing he has been doing for a long time - promoting Intel.

  25. Re: Another nail in the coffen for Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is, you don't get to see all the posts of innocent people being harassed and banned because all their posts get deleted. That site, especially the forums and the butthurt rants, are a shitshow.

  26. Re:What a fucking idiot by Highdude702 · · Score: 2

    I find that the best tech "news" and reviews come from people that own the hardware on IRC. You can often get them to perform tests of your liking also. That's how we figured out the Zen NUMA latency linux issue a year after launch.

  27. ECC support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's ignore the fact that ECC RAM is slower and more expensive than consumer RAM.

    ECC support in the CPU means fuckall if you don't have ECC support in any of the motherboards that a CPU can be used with.

    Provide an example of a AMD consumer board that actually supports ECC.

    1. Re:ECC support by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Most ryzen boards. You can easily see this with Linux. And I've never seen a 970/990 board without it either.

    2. Re:ECC support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, AMD has great support for ECC memory. But it does not support registered memory at all for Ryzen or Threadripper CPUs (making it impossible to build systems with a high amount of RAM, which is possible with Xeon and Epyc).

    3. Re:ECC support by samwichse · · Score: 1

      https://www.newegg.com/Product...

      From the first google result for "amd ryzen motherboard ecc."

    4. Re:ECC support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even at lower price points, ASRock supports ECC.

      https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157871

  28. New owner will make no profit? Yeah ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would a company buy it if it will make no money? That's not how it works. He might trust the company who he is handing the reigns too, but I don't. Countless examples of ruined communities when a company takes over.

  29. Intel getting into GPUs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Makes sense as Intel will be getting into the dGPU market soon. Kyle did a good job shilling for AMD post Vega and got a lot of traction with his anti-NVIDIA fake news. Intel will want to leverage those skills to make their products look like a good third alternative.

    1. Re:Intel getting into GPUs by jon3k · · Score: 2

      I love reading the comments about these sites. So far I've seen half a dozen posts that say something to the effect of "He's been shilling for Intel for years, might as well make it official" then of course you come across the person who says he must be an AMD shill. What that tells me is they probably post pretty balanced reviews if they've managed to piss off both camps.

    2. Re:Intel getting into GPUs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For as long as I've been reading [H] (more than a decade IIRC) they have always posted detailed hardware and software setups of all their test rigs, making them repeatable by anyone with an interest. I've never seen any bias in their HW tests or conclusions. They do however also post a lot of links to external news interesting for their readers (much like slashdot does). I think many people may not realize that it's the HW tests and reviews that are the "business" of [H], and all the other posts are just a nerd news aggregator linking to non-affiliated sites.

      I'm stumped by the news to be honest, it is a great site for thorough and independent HW reviews and I'll miss it. At this point, I'm still hoping it's all just an elaborate April 1st joke, because knowing the site and their history on reporting on nerdy April Fool's jokes, it does sound a little bit like one.

  30. Date by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    Wonder if the date is important at all?

    1. Re:Date by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Good eye.

  31. The bias was palpable anyway by unrealmp3 · · Score: 1

    Looks like he's going for an officially-sponsored shilling position with Intel.

  32. Re:Another nail in the coffen for Intel by oic0 · · Score: 1

    Permabanned me for talking about using ad-block in a news article about ad-block.

  33. April Fools? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Effective 1 April 2019...

  34. Re:What a fucking idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    which network and channel?

    are we talking phoronix here?

  35. "one of the last independent review sites" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are dozens of these, possibly hundreds if you count YouTubers. Likely more than there have ever been, definitely more than pre-internet.

  36. Re:What a fucking idiot by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    I'm on various channels on freenode, and criten. The rest are all semi private nets so cant divulge much into that. none of the channels I frequent are really "tech" channels. but the majority of people on IRC are real nerds and would never turn down a chance to talk about the hardware they own or possibly want to own.