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Facebook Knew of Cambridge Analytica Data Misuse Earlier Than Reported (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Facebook employees were aware of concerns about "improper data-gathering practices" by Cambridge Analytica months before the Guardian first reported, in December 2015, that the political consultancy had obtained data on millions from an academic. The concerns appeared in a court filing by the attorney general for Washington DC and were subsequently confirmed by Facebook. The new information "could suggest that Facebook has consistently mislead [sic]" British lawmakers "about what it knew and when about Cambridge Analytica," tweeted Damian Collins, the chair of the House of Commons digital culture media and sport select committee (DCMS) in response to the court filing.

In a statement, a company spokesperson said: "Facebook absolutely did not mislead anyone about this timeline." After publication of this article, the spokesperson acknowledged that Facebook employees heard rumors of data scraping by Cambridge Analytica in September 2015. The spokesperson said that this was a "different incident" from Cambridge Analytica's acquisition of a trove of data about as many as 87 million users that has been widely reported on for the past year. "In September 2015 employees heard speculation that Cambridge Analytica was scraping data, something that is unfortunately common for any internet service," the spokesperson said. "In December 2015, we first learned through media reports that Kogan sold data to Cambridge Analytica, and we took action. Those were two different things." The filing raised questions about when Facebook first learned about the misuse of personal data by Cambridge Analytica, the now defunct political consultancy.

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  1. Makes you wonder by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    What other privacy destroying abuse of their data do they know already know about that will only surface in the weeks or months to come ... or never?

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    1. Re: Makes you wonder by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, the things they sell to advertisers.

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    2. Re:Makes you wonder by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      What other privacy destroying abuse of their data do they know already know about that will only surface in the weeks or months to come ... or never?

      I wonder this too- and suspect there are a lot of thing they know about that they're staying quiet on. They don't take privacy seriously, or have any sense of civic responsibility. They only let on that they've done something wrong or allowed something bad to happen as damage control.

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    3. Re:Makes you wonder by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Basic "admit what you can't deny any longer" strategy.

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  2. General rule by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    In a statement, a company spokesperson said: "Facebook absolutely did not mislead anyone about this timeline."

    I've found as a general guideline, that when a person or group denies something using the word "absolutely", they did what they are accused of.

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    1. Re:General rule by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Just like countries that have 'Democratic' in the name....

      You are not wrong.

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  3. Well, duh... by s_p_oneil · · Score: 2

    I really don't like just posting "Well, duh..." but nothing else really seems to fit here.

    1. Re:Well, duh... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      We still operate on an innocent until proven guilty mindset.
      A concern that a paying customer is misusing the data, doesn't mean they have proof that they are misusing the data. Not Facebooks biggest mistake was just not digging further to find proof, but just reporting a general "Concern"

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    2. Re:Well, duh... by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      I think that if there were an ad that showed the reality of how FaceBook works... Maybe something like what the tobacco companies had to do with that whole Truth movement. That would be cool.

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    3. Re:Well, duh... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      We still operate on an innocent until proven guilty mindset.

      Who is this "we"?

      Innocent until proven guilty applies in only one circumstance: when dealing with criminal charges. Otherwise: not applicable.

      Facebook had a responsibility to investigate. Wilful blindness should not be a defence.

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  4. Breaking the narrative by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is somewhat easy to misconstrue. Most people will take that as the data was used in the general election, when according to the mainstream media:

    "In late September 2016, Cambridge and other data vendors were submitting bids to the Trump campaign. Then-candidate Trump's campaign used Cambridge Analytica during the primaries and in the summer because it was never certain the Republican National Committee would be a willing, cooperative partner. Cambridge Analytica instead was a hedge against the RNC, in case it wouldn't share its data.

    The crucial decision was made in late September or early October when Mr. Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and Brad Parscale, Mr. Trump's digital guru on the 2016 campaign, decided to utilize just the RNC data for the general election and used nothing from that point from Cambridge Analytica or any other data vendor. The Trump campaign had tested the RNC data, and it proved to be vastly more accurate than Cambridge Analytica's, and when it was clear the RNC would be a willing partner, Mr. Trump's campaign was able to rely solely on the RNC. "

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-campaign-phased-out-use-of-cambridge-analytica-data-before-election/

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    1. Re:Breaking the narrative by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Even if that's true, (and consider me highly skeptical still) all it proves is that the RNC was smart enough to harvest the same Facebook data from the same Facebook developer's API that Cambridge Analytica did; A software development task that would take almost a whole afternoon for anyone with cursory experience in web development.

    2. Re:Breaking the narrative by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      "Proves"? You've got no proof. You're just engaging in conspiracy theory. The RNC had their own data.

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    3. Re:Breaking the narrative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This could also pollute the data if the Facebook data is of a lower quality.

    4. Re:Breaking the narrative by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Well, what I mean by that is that it's all the proof I need. Obviously it doesn't prove it to you, but then, I actually have some awareness of the actual volume of data in question this time around and how few other places it could actually have come from.

  5. Cambridge Analytica is NOT defunct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It just shed its skin. It's now called Emerdata. Same people, same building.

  6. The REAL lesson I learned from this.. by SirAstral · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When democrats abuse information for elections..."it's justified for the cause" but when republicans do it... "it's because they are evil".

    Read this guys article.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...
    Yes, BOTH side really are the same, big business federalists that have no reason to care about you beyond your vote. They only care about their constituents and that is where they appear different is because their constituents have differences.

    The Cambridge Data lesson is in a nutshell... a beacon of the Hypocrisy of the Left... no so much on the right because it benefited them this time. BOTH Parties have been doing things like this in all sorts of ways for decades. Before Cambridge, Before the internet. They have been using census data, voter records, polls, and anything they can get their hands on to redraw districts, target campaign speech locations, issue spotting, and just about anything a campaign manager can think of to get the upper hand.

    This is nothing shocking or surprising but instead, a NATURAL result of people giving up their privacy to a feckless company that generates revenue off of their personal data! The people upset about this are really just pissed off they didn't do a better job at it.

    It's still going to be done, they will just now do it a different way and because of the mfg outrage machine they will just have to find other less obvious ways to do it.

    1. Re:The REAL lesson I learned from this.. by Terwin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the 2008 political season the Obama campaign bragged about their data analytics and social networking, something they continued to brag about for 2012 (reference: https://www.technologyreview.c... ).

      I do not remember if they used the same firm as the Trump campaign (Cambridge Analytica ) or not, but they did brag about scraping millions of users from Facebook.

      The only major difference I am aware of, is that one campaign was loved and supported by both Facebook and the news networks, while the other is hated and reviled.

      For Obama it was 'marketing genius' and for Trump is was a crime against Facebook users.

    2. Re:The REAL lesson I learned from this.. by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Congrats on a well played yet obvious false equivalency argument.

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    3. Re:The REAL lesson I learned from this.. by SirAstral · · Score: 1

      Nothing but straw man arguments 100%. I am not talking about the issue from a legal point of view, I am just talking about the data itself in relation to people giving it up and then getting upset about it being mined. The fact that such information was gained in various ways is really not germane here. But since you brought it up even the the law suit is not about Facebooks TOS being violated, but instead about Facebook's often talked about misleading "privacy" settings.https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/19/facebook-cambridge-analytica-washington-dc-lawsuit-data

      I understand you need to make it out to be something bigger that it is, but I don't feel sorry you got played, its been in the news before Trump even announced his candidacy!

      "This is typical both sides do it hypocrisy of the Right. See also whataboutism."

      Let me tell you what is typical, for people on the left to blame anyone that does not follow their narrative as always being on the right. For you guys the only choice is "with us or against us". There are actually more than just 2 sides here and that kind of rhetoric just puts everyone else against you and that means you can get outnumbered real fast if you keep that up.

      You also need to put the whataboutery to rest as well. The original term is Hypocrisy or rather "tu quoque logical fallacy". I am not seeking to defend anyone's actions. I am just making it clear that your hypocrisy leaves you no room for complaint. In fact, I consider people that trot out "whataboutism" as a direct admission of... "I know I am hypcrite, but since they are hypcrits too, I have a right to be a hypocrite as well." So don't be shocked when a 3rd party, such as myself comes along and calls you out.

    4. Re:The REAL lesson I learned from this.. by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Stop creating division and lets all get back here in the middle!

      I merely pointed out the obvious fallacy of your post.
      I'm not creating division: I am a pragmatist, so I am in the middle.

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    5. Re:The REAL lesson I learned from this.. by SirAstral · · Score: 1

      You did not point out a fallacy you just said there was one and pointed nothing out.

      You are creating division, you are not a pragmatist either, though I can accept you might be in the middle. It is possible for folks in the middle to be entirely opposite of each other and still be in the middle.

      To be pragmatic about things you have to ignore the rhetoric and only review the outcome. I don't care if Obama is a Democrat or if Trump is a republican. I cheer when either does something right and boo when I either does something wrong. Both are for big business, both are for big government, both are for destruction of liberty, both are for blaming the other side for problems of their own creation, both are corrupt, both lie, cheat, and steal, both abuse citizens... I mean... there is so much likeness that all of the other things that are different only results in your toilet being blue while their toilet is red!

      I am tired of the "no they are different" baloney. They are the same enough to ignore both, and get rid of both, and vote in something else... just long enough to break them down. Incidentally, because of this... is why Trump got here and AOC as well. They are living PROOF that many people see very little differences between the parties and why their own parties are at odds with them!

      So you might right in the future but not now!

    6. Re:The REAL lesson I learned from this.. by h4x0t · · Score: 1

      That snopes article merely states that he wrote the article, not that the article is true.

    7. Re:The REAL lesson I learned from this.. by SirAstral · · Score: 1

      herp a derp... seriously?

      For the article to no be true a shadow government is running the government then? That is one hell of a conspiracy! In fact that would still technically only goes to support the article anyway. Pray tell, what in the article is wrong? I can provide many things that help prove it true, can't think of any the prove it wrong though.

      The only external force folks have no control over running the government is the Federal Reserve, but no matter what, They can still be removed if the Legislature wants to or SCOTUS declares the institution as Unconstitutional.

  7. Of course they did... by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Informative

    ....because it wasn't MISUSE. It was Facebook's bloody BUSINESS MODEL.

    Further, CA (and Facebook) is only in hot water today because they dared to use this information in a way that benefited Donald Trump. In the 2012 election we were bombarded with news stories about how 'sophisticated' and 'cutting edge' the Obama campaign was about leveraging internet big data for voter-engagement and campaigning.

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  8. This is news? by gander666 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, of course the knew about it. Hell they probably gave them implicit permission to do it. Are there no adults in the room at Facebook?

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  9. Elizabeth Warren? by goombah99 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    While bringing the rambunctious Mr. T into this it seems a bit off topic, mentioning Elizabeth Warren here is completely on topic.

    She has suggested that some of our major internet behemoths should be broken into their component parts and the parts that are the underlying infrastructure become regulated utilities or similar constructs.

    This is an interesting idea with arguments pro and con. One of these arguments is if you force the profit making parts of this (like the data selling) to be severed from the "tubes and wires" then perhaps there isn't as much incentive to keep innovating on the latter. The converse is what we see now which is this unassilable giant got there by disregard for norms and perhaps laws and made us all the poorer. They certainly need oversight of some type as this keeps getting more absurd each thing we find out.

      The idea breaking up face book would be harmful is probably a rubbish argument that only would matter at first: the argument that the separation would also bring more medium size players into the game enhancing innovation is much stronger. But FOr that to happen one would have to make sure another giant like Amazon or google didn't just rush in an gobble up the void instead. So her argument, to work has to be extended beyonf face book.

    The counter argument is that overtime we have seem the hegemonies of IBM, Microsoft, and perhaps soon Intel, wane naturally as disruptive tech outmoded their monopoly grip. So perhaps this is unnecessary.

    Her argument has merit and shoul dnot be ridiculed but discussed rationally. It may not be needed but my gut feeling is that google has gone evil on us and competing with facebook led them there. I also like APlle as my benevolent aspriational computer maker, but I don't think I will like what apple becomes when they turn into my Banker. And Amazon.... every day I hear of amazon using it's monopoly to extend into a new line of bussiness I think about Milo Minderbinder from catch 22. Soon we will own a share of amazon if we don't stop the blob from growing.

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    1. Re:Elizabeth Warren? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Electing an awkward nerdy wonk like Warren as president would be worth it just as a soothing break from the daily twitter outrage. I could go back to worrying about the things that matter in my life rather than have to wonder what crazy shit is coming next. Would seem like a vacation. Sure she makes some faux pauxs now and then but really they are pretty small potatoes.

    2. Re:Elizabeth Warren? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      Did you shop at Target or Lowes or Kroger recently?

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  10. Poor Facebook by bobbied · · Score: 1

    They are getting crucified for acting like a for profit business.

    Why is *anybody* surprised or outraged over this? They where simply acting like any for profit business would.

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  11. This is when shitty science reporting matters... by michaelcole · · Score: 1

    What's at stake here is that Cambridge was web-scraping. Every enterprise company web-scrapes until their big enough to hire someone to do it for them.

    There's no way FB could have known WHY Cambridge was web-scraping. If the truth matters in justice, then this story isn't about anything other than here's how websites work.

  12. Cambridge Anal-ytica == Oxford Vaginal-ytica by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    How's that for re-naming?

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