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The Washington Post Asks: Should 8chan Be Considered a Terrorist Recuiting Site? (washingtonpost.com)
An anonymous reader quotes the Washington Post:
As most of the world condemned last week's mass shooting in New Zealand, a contrary story line emerged on 8chan, the online message board where the alleged shooter had announced the attack and urged others to continue the slaughter. "Who should i kill?" one anonymous poster wrote. "I have never been this happy," wrote another. "I am ready. I want to fight...." The persistence of the talk of violence on 8chan has led some experts to call for tougher actions by the world's governments, with some saying the site increasingly looks like the jihadi forums organized by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda...
8chan's founder, Fredrick Brennan, said Jim Watkins [8chan's sole administrator] owns other Internet businesses and has built a technical fortress to guard 8chan from potential takedowns: He owns nearly every component securing the site to the backbone of the Web, including its servers, which are scattered around the world. "You can send a complaint, but no one's going to do anything. He owns the whole operation," Brennan said. "It's how he keeps people confused and guessing...." Watkins is content to lose money, Brennan said, because he sees it as a pet project: "8chan is like a boat to Jim. It doesn't matter if it makes money. He just enjoys using it...."
8chan, however, is shielded in another way: the U.S. web-services giant Cloudflare, which helps websites guard against "distributed denial of service," or DDoS, attacks that online vigilante groups have used to target 8chan in the past.
The Post reports that Brennan "worries there are no true technical solutions beyond a total redesign of the Web, focused around identification and moderation, that could undermine it as a venue for free expression." Brennan tells the Post that "The Internet as a whole is not made to be censored. It was made to be resilient. And as long as there's a contingent of people who like this content, it will never go away."
On Tuesday, 8chan posted tips on Twitter for what to do "If your ISP is blocking a website you'd like to browse" -- a tweet which is now pinned to the top of its feed.
8chan's founder, Fredrick Brennan, said Jim Watkins [8chan's sole administrator] owns other Internet businesses and has built a technical fortress to guard 8chan from potential takedowns: He owns nearly every component securing the site to the backbone of the Web, including its servers, which are scattered around the world. "You can send a complaint, but no one's going to do anything. He owns the whole operation," Brennan said. "It's how he keeps people confused and guessing...." Watkins is content to lose money, Brennan said, because he sees it as a pet project: "8chan is like a boat to Jim. It doesn't matter if it makes money. He just enjoys using it...."
8chan, however, is shielded in another way: the U.S. web-services giant Cloudflare, which helps websites guard against "distributed denial of service," or DDoS, attacks that online vigilante groups have used to target 8chan in the past.
The Post reports that Brennan "worries there are no true technical solutions beyond a total redesign of the Web, focused around identification and moderation, that could undermine it as a venue for free expression." Brennan tells the Post that "The Internet as a whole is not made to be censored. It was made to be resilient. And as long as there's a contingent of people who like this content, it will never go away."
On Tuesday, 8chan posted tips on Twitter for what to do "If your ISP is blocking a website you'd like to browse" -- a tweet which is now pinned to the top of its feed.
Strange how Slashdot's censorship icon always goes missing when it's leftist authoritarians who want something censored.
https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...
Because that's where we're headed. No one will be anonymous anymore. We must all think and act the same.
Is blocking fire them. Just makes ire to update your DNS settings as controlling ISPs like to go and hardcode DNS into your PC so they can snoop even when you have a different provider.
Sure, but only if Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Whatsapp, Hotmail, Gmail, and all radio and TV broadcasts are also considered terrorit rectruitment sites. Otherwise it just seems like scapegoating and hypocrisy. Though that's pretty par for the course I guess.
Dunno how may ISIS links I have seen on Facebook... What the hell, just outlaw the Internet, and telephones and mail. That should have it sorted!
like, baking something twice
cookies?
The real question is: Should the Washington Post be considered Jeff Bezos Blog?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
If the most effective phrases uttered to a new, potential terrorist recruit are "fuck you, leave, kill yourself," and the most effective recruitment images consist of dick pictures, comics of underage girls, and random porn... then yes.
Otherwise it's just a cesspool of random trolls and social rejects being miscategorized by the media... again.
The people who ask that question are the same people who called Jordan Peterson's book a recruitment book even though its content serves to deradicalize people and give them a purpose and responsibilities to eradicate hate and suppress it rather than feed it, a book which is also a good rehab program for criminals and not only those with depression and confusion.
If i had to define a site great for terrorist recruitment, it's the mass media leftists who don't pass a day insulting someone, throwing labels of nazism and fascism, trying to rile up terror squads against a bunch of Covington kids, and feeding hate because it gives them clicks.
8chan isn't the one mainstream society goes to in order to get their hate-fuel, it's mass media instead, CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, Vice, Buzzfeed, all GAWKER crap, New York Times, etc. Surprise surprise, when your journalists wage a politics of identitarianism, it produces terrorists.
Shit wasn't this bad before 2011 or such when all this shit started aflame.
You want to wage politics of privilege and victimhood? You'll be creating terrorists. That's the start and end of it.
Surely driving them even further underground will only make things better!
Lenin didn't have Internet access.
Neither did 5th of November terrorists (back in 1605), nor did Bakunin, John Brown, the KKK, the IMRO, the IRA (up until very recently), and so on.
So no, the mere existence of Internet access isn't a terrorist recruitment tool, albeit it makes it easier for terrorists to communicate over large distances.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
See subject: Take a read & see the mechanics @ work w/ historical precedent behind it https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...
* That IS how it works & HOW "leftist" losers & manipulators work, almost to a tee... see, "leftist" types? They are INCAPABLE of standing on their own OR on their own merits (usually none, lowbrow menial morons, easily led & abused in the end) so they HATE those that do well (because they KNOW they can't).
One of "that kind's" pseudo "rebellion" is to say "I'm disabled" (for sure, mentally - no "intestinal fortitude" @ all is present in them, onlyl lazy scumbaggery & welfare leeching).
APK
P.S.=> They recruit FAILS - look @ what Hitler & his SS did to the SA for example & what WAS the 'brownshirt' SA?? Largely LAZY drunk FAILS & GOONS (what we call 'gangsta' today - reduced to a LIFE OF CRIME by wasting their pitiful LIVES on a streetcorner playing "thuglife" who are PISSED @ those who are admired doing well & they never CAN be, only despised - hence making them EASY TO RECRUIT & then DISPOSE of later after their bulletbag role is done)... apk
Should everyone carry ID when chatting with buddies in the nearest cafe? Sadly already the case here in Europe. For everyone's security, of course. Maybe there'll be voice recognition and automated transcription, keyword scanning, and authority calling in the near future. The tech exists, it's just a matter of putting it together and making it work. It's the next step, right.
The problem isn't the web, or any sort of communication venue, or even identification, and Brennan is an idiot for suggesting this. The problem is those in power fucking it up, to the point that those not in power want to do something about it.
Woke: The Internet is a terrorist recruiting site.
So because this guy did some violence no one else can be accused of doing some violence? How does that work in your head? Nothing justifies violence, you nutter. You should pay more attention to your sig quote. I don't think you've fully understood the meaning of it.
I don't think sites like 8chan and zerohedge, etc should be considered terrorist recruiting sites. It's basically just a bunch of edgelord shitposters who think it's clever to post racism, hatred, death threats, child porn and calls for violence. How are they supposed to know that actual terrorists and crazies would take them seriously and join their community?
On the other had, they should be considered a gateway drug to terrorism. ISPs and hosting services should consider carefully whether to do business with them.
You are welcome on my lawn.
See here.
For those that don't wanna bother with a long video, the article is about what the author calls "stochastic terrorism". Bruce Sterling touched on it in his novel "Distraction".
It works like a sales pipeline. You start out with PewDiePie spouting white supremacy "full the lulz" and for cheap publicity. A subset of his viewers "graduate" to harder stuff like Ben Shapiro and Sargon of Arkad, then on to Laura Southern and finally to stuff like the Unite the Right rally.
The New Zealand shooter ending his video with "subscribe to PewDiePie " because he's trying to put kids into that pipeline. Put a few hundred million in and eventually terrorists come out.
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This thing is a lot more complex than just "antifa vs nazi", and trying to simplify like that only make the situation a lot worse.
For example, the christchurch shooter is an "acceleracionist", basically someone that tried to do very specific actions to make a civil war between the left and right happen.
The targets he picked, the memes he used, everything planned from the ground up to make the far left activists have more power and overreact with it, causing an overreaction from the right and so forth, and sadly the NZ government fell for his bait, sink and line.
And finally, nothing justifies violence unless it's a direct immediate threat, If a nazi or an antifa or muslim or poodle fanatic is threatening your life directly such as pointing a gun at you, then you can stop him/her/(a shitton of pronouns), otherwise it's the job of the police to deal with it.
I'll agree proclaiming 8chan a terrorist recruitment organization if you agree to do the same for every activis publication (aka "journalists" aka "Washington Post") which had its "journalists" calling for an organization of terrorist group to see the parents of the Covington kids sacked and bullied, the school dismantled and even torched in some checkmark tweets, the kids killed and terrorized for the rest of their lives, over fake news they themselves created.
Oh, is that inconvenient? SJWs are pretty much a reflection of their appearances i always see, overly white elitist adults with toddler brains who live in a bubble of ignorance and stupidity which spreads hate because that's the only emotion they enjoy having and having to justify, that's also the thousands of "journalists" who got sacked for being unethical SJW garbage who attributed to the problem.
Look in the mirror WP.
Even though I post AC (but I have the balls to "ID" myself unlike the troll WORM do-nothing "ne'er-do-wells" on /.) we should. Oh, I've heard the BULLSHIT that "give a man a mask & he tells the truth" horseshit - TRUTH, is relative (unfortunately) - FACT is not.
That bs FAILS when EASILY MISLED "SA brownshirt" IGNORAMUSES ALWAYS EXIST to use & dispose of https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... which yes, HISTORY proves for me - same shit's being PLAYED OUT playing "leftist recruits" right now. Always is. They're easy to abuse & dispose of later is why.
* "TRUTH" for "ANTIFA loser" substandard BETA MALE FAILS = an EXPERT COURSE IN HOW TO DESTROY YOURSELF!
(e.g. "get on that welfare or disability - rebel by LEECHING OFF THOSE who did well because I PERSONALLY NEVER CAN") -
Hence WHY they have to join "gangs" of somekind - but their 'gangs' are COMPOSED OF HUMAN FAILS & their chain is made of paper, WEAK LINKS, always failing.
FACT: You don't HAVE to do "groupthink" IF YOU HAVE BALLS & INTEGRITY - speak your mind, pick your fights wisely & USE FACT (not "moral relativism" or "truth").
Now, why do I post "AC"?
So the morons who STALK & IMPERSONATE me can't TRACK ME by a post history (make it hard on them, lol - they should have to do SOME WORK @ least, sometime vs. SUCKING ON "DA WELFARE TIT" all their WASTED LIVES, lol).
I create a good tool. They never EVER will (& we all KNOW it) - win? Win for them is a FOREIGN CONCEPT (much like critical thought is, hence their easily MISLED dumbo natures - easily steered to SELF-DESTRUCTION).
APK
P.S.=> It's what "leftists" are & what they do (recruitment of the self-destructive FAIL type) - fails. WELFARE SUCKING FAILS, leeches - ones that are INCAPABLE of individual good (or better) achievement because they WASTED THEIR LIVES on a 'streetcorna' playin' "wannabe 'gangsta'" & now that they live a life of RUIN, they hate those that don't? LOL - please, lmao... losers! apk
But the Washington Post should be. Why is this garbage on /.?
I hope you're joking. In that same vein your racist uncle or a history book put you in the "pipeline". The terrorist also said Candace owens radicalized him and spouted a bunch of memes, must be true too. Following your? line of though we would have to ban any and all references to white supremacy lest some poor souls actually start believing in it.
And if it applies to that, did a few million listeners put on Biggie Smalls and get into the drug dealer sales pipeline, eventually coming out criminals? Just sounds like a thinly veiled argument for censorship.
to reign in the worst elements of their community. By all accounts 8Chan bills itself as a haven for those sorts.
There are arguments to be made that 8chan shouldn't be considered a terrorist recruitment site. For example, that it's not their intended purpose and that any recruitment taking place is a side effect of their laissez faire approach to moderation. But it's not a fair argument to make that because a terrorist recruiter can post to Facebook that means 8chan's automatically off the hook. Facebook would very quickly ban the individual if there was even a whiff of potential violence. 8chan wouldn't take down a post unless there was a very, very clear violation of law (and there's accusations that even then they'll turn a blind eye).
Also, I think we're conflating up "Should be considered a recruitment tool" vs "is actively recruiting terrorists". There's a big difference. For the former it means the FBI keeps a closer eye on what goes on. For the latter it means the FBI/CIA/Military/local police (depending on the country) raids the place.
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I went looking for the video to satisfy my morbid curiosity, but it was being aggressively removed from my usual haunts, so I went to voat knowing that would be one of the few places not censoring links to it.
I discovered that most of their links were already dead, and that the comments were almost unanimously celebrating the murders. I lost my interest in seeing the video, having even that little in common with those cretins was too much.
And I thought, these are the people who traffic in the conspiracy theory that thousands of American Muslims were celebrating 9/11. But here they are, literally cheering a terrorist, doing the thing that they imagine others doing to rationalize their racism. Not only are they no different than an Islamic terrorist sympathizer, they're no different than the Islamic terrorist sympathizer that their imaginations have constructed. It's like they want to be recruited into terrorism. They don't necessarily hate radical Islam, they envy it.
The alt-right isn't a political movement, it is a sickness that needs to be eradicated. We should treat them the same way we treat members of Al Qaeda and ISIS. When they whine about free speech, we remind them that enemy combatants don't have rights. This will infuriate them, and every time they lash out with more terrorism, the government has another excuse to hit them even harder. Eventually there won't be any fight left in them, or there won't be any left.
See subject: For the enforcement of law, sometimes VIOLENCE (or the threat of pain of somekind) is necessary vs. the misanthropic criminal failure who doesn't RESPECT law, civilization OR culture & progress (they can't even UNDERSTAND that having lived lives of "FAIL" on welfare or criminality)).
* That 'pain' can be physical violence OR financial via fines OR TO YOUR FREEDOMS (jailtime) - it is a HELL of a deterrent vs. the human fails out there (wannabe 'gangsta' types that wasted their lives on streetcorners playing 'drug deala' or "hood")).
Hey, above ALL else? I don't like it but there is REALITY & FACT - & the above IS FACT... it works. Unfortunate but it works. I'd love a world of "daisies & balloons" but that is NOT how it is. There will always be those that live FINE in societies' rules & those that are SUCH FUCKUPS, they KNOW themselves (inside) they can't (having wasted their lives & BURIED themselves forever, living a living death pretty much).
APK
P.S.=> Look - I've seen this for a LARGE PART OF MY LIFE (living just above a "ghetto" & I'm not 'talking out my ass' - many guys I knew, like ones you know, had a choice - work hard, educate, achieve & grow OR their DESPISED "thuglife" welfare sucking BULLSHIT that drains society & DRAGS THE REST OF US DOWN)... apk
They've driven hundreds of trans people to suicide due to their harassment campaigns.
And they refused to turn over IP address information to the New Zealand authorities so NZ citizens can be arrested for watching a video.
If that's not terrorism, I don't know what is.
Fox News is too big with the old folk, but Peterson's set him self up as a kind of father figure to a large number of disenfranchised young men.
I didn't like the guy when I first saw him but had a really, really hard time articulating why until I saw this and also this. This too.
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Should the Washington Post be considered a terrorist recuiting site by promoting the lawless entry of undocumented aliens?
dedicated to making the members of the right wing feel as though they're under attack. That's because once you convince somebody that they're under attack and really drive home the fear of it you can get them to do damn near anything.
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They don't want that one seen APK so it was downmodded. It blows the entire leftist false equivalency narrative by you using historical fact.
Should the Washington Post be considered a terrorist recruiting site?
Should Fox "News" or InfoWars be considered a terrorist recruiting sites? Seems more people have been incited to violence watching them. For example: Cesar Sayoc (mail bomber from FL), Edgar Welch (Pizzagate shooter from NC) ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
In March, conservative radio host and Infowars website operator Alex Jones apologized for promoting the Pizzagate conspiracy. Jones posted a six-minute video on his website in which he read a prepared statement saying that neither the restaurant nor its owner, James Alefantis, had anything to do with human trafficking. The statement came after Alefantis’s attorneys had requested a retraction.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Should Washington Post be considered a journalistic endeavor?
it's job. There's too kinds of Alt-righter. First, there's the leadership, who's just taking advantage of the rank and file to make money.
Then there's the rank and file. They're almost entirely made up of young dudes (usually white) who lost factory and blue collar jobs to outsourcing and don't really have a place in society anymore.
It's why the left is pushing the "Green New Deal". It's a jobs program to neuter the right wing's main source of power (disaffected working age men). The "Green" part is mostly incidental. It's there to steal votes from the Green Party so they can't be used by the right wing to spoil elections.
With very few exceptions give a man a job and a woman and he'll settle the fuck down. Mix in an education and he won't fall for demagogues. There will be exceptions (Osama Bin Laden comes to mind) but they won't have enough followers to get anything done before they get caught.
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Hitler & SA brownshirts = historical proof: Recruiting disgruntled failures is 'std. practice' by manipulators for use as cannon fodder to be disposed of later after what I call their "useless usefulness" is expended.
APK
P.S=> The fact is that LOSERS who can't achieve individual good on their OWN will always SUCK THE WELFARE & want "mo" ("I wanna porche 'fo fee' on my 'foostamps' at the expense of those achieving what I never can - a good life because I am a lazy FOOL that wasted his life on a street corner playing 'gangsta'") - they are the PRIME TARGET of ANY "leftist" because they KNOW that those that DROWNED THEMSELVES, will grab a razor (a drowning man will, but if you're drowining? Heh - you're NOT MUCH OF A MAN)... apk
It's debatable whether it's productive to even give any attention to the concerns of someone who does something like this, but these are his stated reasons for the attack. It's interesting that he predicted this would drive a wedge between Turkey and Europe, which was one of his objectives. Erdogan is already using videos of the attack at his political rallies.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/17/world/middleeast/erdogan-video-new-zealand-mosque-attack.html
Why did you carry out the attack?
To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands, our home lands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives, they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our people.
To take revenge on the invaders for the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by foreign invaders in European lands throughout history.
To take revenge for the enslavement of millions of Europeans taken from their lands by the Islamic slavers.
To take revenge for the thousands of European lives lost to terror attacks throughout European lands.
To take revenge for Ebba Akerlund.
To directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating and physically removing the invaders themselves.
To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to cause them to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual and inevitable backlash as a result.
To incite violence, retaliation and further divide between the European people and the invaders currently occupying European soil.
To avenge those European men and women lost in the constant and never ending wars of European history who died for their lands, died for their people only to have their lands given away to any foreign scum that bother to show up.
To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to over extend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash.
To show the effect of direct action, lighting a path forward for those that wish to follow. A path for those that wish to free their ancestors lands from the invaders grasp and to be a beacon for those that wish to create a lasting culture, to tell them they are not alone.
To create an atmosphere of fear and change in which drastic, powerful and revolutionary action can occur. To add momentum to the pendulum swings of history, further destabilizing and polarizing Western society in order to eventually destroy the current nihilistic, hedonistic, individualistic insanity that has taken control of Western thought.
To drive a wedge between the nations of NATO that are European and the Turks that also make a part of the NATO forces, thereby turning NATO once more into a united European army and pushing the Turkey once more back to the true position of a foreign, enemy force.
Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide with in the United States. This conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. This balkanization of the US will not only result in the racial separation of the people within the United States ensuring the future of the White race on the North American continent, but also ensuring the death of the “melting pot" pipe dream. Furthermore this balkanization will also reduce the USA’s ability to project power globally, and thereby ensure that never again can such a situation as the US involvement in Kosovo ever occur again(where US/NATO forces fought beside Muslims and slaughtered Christian Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe).
Won’t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights in the New Zealand?
The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight. When was the last time they won increased rights? Their loss was inevitable. I just accelerated things a bit. They had long since lost their cities, take a look at Auckland. Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights?
He owns nearly every component securing the site to the backbone of the Web, including its servers, which are scattered around the world. "You can send a complaint, but no one's going to do anything. He owns the whole operation,
So he is also responsible for everything that happens there, if the site is deemed a terrorist recruitment and strike planning site?
Yea, I know (lol) so I reposted it https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... to run them DRY of 'downmodpoints' for HIDING things they can't outsmart or outthink.
* Which IS so very, Very, VERY EASY to do to "their kind" (disgruntled failures who caused their OWN misery & welfare SELF-destruction as leeches - welfare is like a narcotic - it takes away the NECESSITY to STRIVE & OVERCOME for a man (which IS how it is being USED against those on it & WORSE for those PAYING for it)).
APK
P.S.=> It used to be that FAILS like that would just disintegrate & die (per nature) - now? NOW they are used as "help me help me/pity me pity me" cases taking ADVANTAGE of your HUMAN KINDNESS to try "help a fellow man get back on his feet" so I no longer HAVE TO FOOT THEIR BILLS for their mistakes - however, there are TONS who make CAREER & GENERATIONAL WELFARE A CAREER or cunts that have 10 "chillinz" for "MO WELFARE CHEX" (who HATE THEMSELVES & anyone doing well because they KNOW internally they are HUGE fuckup leech fails))... apk
a total redesign of the Web, focused around identification and moderation
The internet needs to be brought back to reality. If mask wearing crazies want to meet up at a convention and talk in real space about the stuff that goes down on 8chan, they can in most countries. When someone gets hurt, a whole chain of responsibilities unravels, who was the property owner, who was the event organizer, where did these people come from, is there a conspiracy, police will investigate.
None of that exists on the Internet. Classic example of limitation on free speech, screaming fire in a crowded theater. The internet allows screams of fire with no repercussions.
Whose FAULT is that? The "brownshirt" https://science.slashdot.org/c... for getting played... & that is EXACTLY WHO these "leftist organizations" target - the 'downtrodden' who FUCK THEMSELVES (or are stupid enough to get fucked).
APK
P.S.=> Man, face facts: They can't MANAGE THEIR OWN LIVES let ALONE A NATION!
Put that ILLOGICAL KIND in control??
It would FUCK THINGS UP WORSE THAN THEY ARE sucking "mo welfare"
WHO WILL PAY FOR IT??
An eroding middle OR working class whose GOOD PAYING JOBS get sent away by the "CONTROLLERS"???
THE CONTROLLERS (as I call them)????
(Who never pay their fair share of taxes & wrote up loopholes galore & put puppet politicians in place to do so OR use of blackmail + other types of coercion to do so)?????
NO.
Will the "WELFARE MONKEY JUNKIES" PAY FOR IT???
HELL NO!
They need to get UN-LAZY & get real, get OFF THE WELFARE is what is needed & this CHANGE has to happen @ THE TOP OF THE "FOODCHAIN" or it NEVER will... apk
"rational discussion" = Spreading right-wing propaganda
"echo-chamber" = Any space not dominated by wing-nuts
"same thought" = Literally the whole gamut of politics and philosophy that doesn't align with their narrow band of xenophobia and ultra-nationalism.
Should Fox "News" or InfoWars be considered a terrorist recruiting sites?
Nope. Making enemies lists and trying to find excuses to censor web sites is bad. The Washington Post and Vox Media should know better.
you can get them to do damn near anything.
Or better yet give you money to do damn near anything.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Plus it helps to collect alms from the conservative faithful. FOX is laughing at them all the way to the bank.
Remember when the only thing Slashdot had deleted was a Scientology manual?
We should seriously consider if Infowars and Fox News bare any responsibility. They get away with it by not directly inciting violence but instead spending years and years promoting conspiracies in the guise of "news" and ramping up hatred of certain groups (usually immigrants and "the left").
Their favourite trick is talking about how all these awful things will surely drive someone to violence eventually, which obviously they don't condone wink wink but the race war uprising will definitely start any day now so be prepared!
It's very difficult to deal with because it's rare for there to be a direct link or any solid evidence. And even when there is, like the Christchurch terrorist, those responsible can (probably legitimately) say they never intended it to justify violence and it's all the other radicalization on 8chan that should take the blame.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Should Fox "News" or InfoWars be considered a terrorist recruiting sites?
"should" is the wrong word. Either they are or not.
All religious and political organizations do eugenics to breed supporters of their administrations. Since only nature has a successful track record of doing genetics to produce people adapted to the real environment (evolution), eugenics can only devolve its victims into something that is unsuccessful (extinction). Unless we stop the eugenics from happening and ignore those already eugenicized, the eugenecists will end the human species. If you're too yellow to stop them, the suicide cults win.
May I just say, if you think Jordan Peterson is intolerant you are intellectually incapable. Period. Not that it matters but he isn't even particularly conservative. Have you taken an IQ test recently? You should be hearing Wooosh sounds constantly.
Facebook is a terrorist paradise so ban them
We know this because if it were, this WaPo story would not have run. The gummint would be quietly using 8chan as a honeypot, like DuckDuckGo.
It's not a left/right war he wants.
His manifesto is titled "The Great Replacement", after the conspiracy theory of the same name. The core idea is that a "global elite" are trying to destroy the white rate through a kind of genocide where they encourage non-white people to immigrate and breed with the white folk.
The fact that people on the left of the political spectrum support immigration and interracial relationships is just because they are unwittingly being manipulated by the global elite into thinking it's a good thing, via propaganda in the "Mainstream Media".
The goal is to make people on the left "wake up" and see that they are being lied to, and that their race is dying out, and to join the far right conspiracy theorists in attacking the global elite.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I never heard of it before and because of that irrelevancy to my existence, I can live without it.
Thanks for asking.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Yeah, I believe it. It's a fairly solid strategy for radicalizing people. It works because several of the people in the pipeline either don't know or don't care that they're part of it.
Yes, some punk kids will watch PDP and pick up on his mild racism. It'll resonate with them and they'll go looking for more. Like I said, they'll find Shapiro and Sargon, who will lead them to Southern and down the chain to rallies where thinly disguised Nazi flags are flow and finally to open white supremacy and Nazism.
Nobody wakes up on day and says "Boy, I sure would like to be a Nazi!". It's a process. PDP is part of that process. He should be called out on it, as should every cog in that machine.
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Twitter pushes the same right wing corporate narrative as all media outlets. I'm a lefty. They're not on my side. They're on Mark Zuckerberg's side, and the other billionaires. Anything that gets in the way of pushing money and power gets banned. The alt-right aren't really getting banned. A few of your guys took the violence thing a bit too far and scared them, but twitter's still full of them. They just toned down the violent rhetoric a tad is all.
You're being used. Sooner you realize that the better. I know of only a handful of politicians who aren't trying to use you. Bernie Sanders is the main one. Freedom is economic freedom. Until everyone has that then we're all going to be at each other's throats while the rich and powerful laugh at us all the way to the bank.
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Seems to me that if someone was operating/enabling a terrorist site and they knew who it was they would bust his ass. Or, maybe the content of 8chan isn's inconsistent with the Koch/RepubliKKKan plan.
Now I'm interested
Well, thank heavens that your multi-billion dollar media engine is calm and rational. Which is why you've come to the balanced conclusion that PewDiePie is a pipeline to terrorism.
And finally, nothing justifies violence unless it's a direct immediate threat, If a nazi or an antifa or muslim or poodle fanatic is threatening your life directly such as pointing a gun at you, then you can stop him/her/(a shitton of pronouns), otherwise it's the job of the police to deal with it.
After reading his " manifesto ", my thoughts are as follows:
I believe he wished to take the fight to the ' invaders ' before they completely outnumber the local population. He has no issues with them as long as they stay in their own country. He has major issues with them showing up elsewhere en masse while refusing to integrate into the local culture and, eventually, destroying it. This is exasperated by Government inaction ( or perhaps even its promotion ) of the matter.
His thoughts are simply, " If the Government or anyone else refuses to do anything about it, I will. "
One of the reasons he brings up the birth-rate issue is the fear that, left unchecked, mass immigrants within any given country who are producing more children than the existing population will eventually become the majority. History tells us that whomever is the majority, makes the rules.
A quote from his writing:
"In every country, on every continent, those that are in the minority are oppressed. If you become a social, political or ethnic minority it will always lead to your oppression. Whether they are a political minority and therefore lose the control of the majority of power, and thus lose control of the laws and regulations that define public life or those that are the cultural minority find that art in all its forms is created and controlled by a different audience, from a different people from a different history, with differing ideals and experiences and therefore they find themselves isolated, excluded and removed from the creation of contemporary culture."
If anything, his writings will tell you this wasn't some random act of terrorism. He was angry about very specific issues that no one else could be bothered to do anything about. He was very specific about his targets and his methods / tools for implementing his plan. He knew exactly what the reaction would be and, so far, New Zealand is following the script to the letter. He did, however, miscalculate the impact it would have on the US.
He didn't take into account the isolation variable where the vast majority of the US is pretty much oblivious to anything happening outside of its borders. If you want to start shit in the US, you'll need to play the game on US turf vs halfway around the world.
The Washington Post hired a friend of Osama bin Laden to write columns pushing his worldview. Until the Saudis killed him, the Washington Post was recruiting for the terrorist group that attacked the United States on September 11, 2001. And they act innocent and wonder why Trump calls them the Enemy Media. Money likely changed hands to make this happen. For more about these financial networks, go to 8chan for information because you're not getting it from the Washington Post.
The Washington Post is seditious anti-American propaganda. That has now been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. They should be rounded up.
You commies are beginning to fear. Good. You should be afraid.
Indeed. Remember federal agents literally murdered and got away with it repeatedly.
do a search, its there. along with his initial post describing his intention, and the follow up post by other users. Its pretty freaky... makes you wonder what you would do in a situation like that.
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Terry Carlino is the world's dumbest faggot, agreed.
The problem is that EVERYBODY who sides with government is a terrorist. Advocating for government is a threat if not violence against somebody. It's really that simple. If you are pro-government then you are a terrorist. If you are pro-self defense anti-government and otherwise a pacifist only then can you claim to be not a terrorist. So I propose considering nearly everybody a terrorist and terrorist recruiter who promotes government theft (taxes), murder (execution), or kidnapping (ie government locking people up who have not committed an act of non-consensual violence), and so on.
What a ridiculous flamebait question, if I ever heard one. Either 8chan and all of its users are conspiring to have a secret agenda, or it's a collection of random boards. Gee, I wonder which one it is...
No, you idiot. Hitting people in a riot during a protest-counter-protest is not the same level of violence as murder or mass murder.
It's not "some violence". It's alt-right dickheads like you who try to make the two equivalent, when they're clearly not. It's a clear campaign by you nutters, like you are doing here, to make murder to be no worse than getting into fights during a riot.
Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
I guess you forgot about the guy that attempted to murder the entire Republican caucus at a baseball game (IE a literal coup attempt, only slightly more hamfisted than the Mueller farce).
Radicalized by MSNBC.
I'm not sure what the answer is, but it's not information. Multiple studies have shown that if you give a conspiracy theorist facts they just dig in further. The availability of facts on vaccines and a round earth hasn't stopped the anti-vaxxer & flat earth movements from growing.
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This "great replacement" is what i can see pretty much the basis of the modern "nazis".
I bet you can throw a wrench on the nazi factory by either having someone "neutral" breaking the theory, or at least convincing the "would be nazis" that the far-right solution will only make everything worse (which it would).
Anything counter to WaPo's narrative should be considered a terrorism outlet.
8chan has recruited a total of 0 terroists. Get fucked Washington Post.
8Chan is full of kids trolling around and being little shits, 2/3 of us old slashdotters did the same thing, writing horrific words for fun online to shock people.
Also when the whole world loses its mind over 50 dead Muslims in NZ but doesn't bat an eye over white deaths by Muslim hands (FREQUENTLY suppressing the identity of the attacker across the world) you can see why bad sentiment builds up.
It is not hard to find a list of Islam related deaths per year, including in Western nations.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/italy-driver-of-bus-full-of-children-sets-it-on-fire/2019/03/20/b702e850-4b0e-11e9-8cfc-2c5d0999c21e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cf7d005f87fc
Once you start googling and see just how frequent people are killed by Islamsists and it's VERY quickly suppressed, it's kind of frightening.
Also look up the "#IWILLRIDEWITHYOU" hashtag for an Islamic attack in Sydney Australia, where the far left people on twitter were more worried about Muslim backlash on public transport, for the next day, than the people who were hostages STILL IN THE CAFE with the Islamic terrorist..... Utterly disgusting.
Should Fox "News" or InfoWars be considered a terrorist recruiting sites?
I avoid InfoWars, so I won't speak to them, but while I wouldn't call Fox News content a terrorist recruiting tool no matter how slanted they can be, they do host a comment section which doesn't have a problem with comments like "Lynch Ilhan Omar". I saw that one today and it had been up far too long for them not to have had a chance to remove it..
In the last week I have seen people justifying the attack on the mosques in New Zealand and of course there's the usual drumbeat of hate towards liberals/marxists/communists/socialists/RINOs which all seem to be synonyms to the majority of people commenting there.
The idea of shooting illegal aliens...I mean "invaders" on sight is a very common and popular position (based on the "Likes" those comments get).
They do exercise editorial control over their comment section and often delete posts and even shadowban people. I've also seen them remove comments from stories altogether when they got too crazy or not even allow them in the first place (e.g. stories about Jussie Smollett). He may have perpetrated a hoax by claiming to be a victim of a hate crime, but there is no shortage of people commenting on Fox who apparently would love to see it actually happen.
But Fox stories get so many comments, they will probably just claim they can't police them . But I don't buy that. I believe they know exactly what's going on.
It gets eyeballs and I have no doubt that it gets a lot of 8chan users as well.
Does this rise to the level of a "terrorist recruiting site"? Probably not. People are just speaking their opinions. Free speech? Does calling for the lynching of an elected Congresswoman rise to the level of inciting violence? I'm not going to play lawyer, but if someone said that about the President, I would expect it would be deleted quickly and the Secret Service would follow up.
They certainly have the potential to "inspire" someone, although if you're crazy enough anything might do that.
Pity the DNC has a long history of doing just that. Maybe they do not know any better?
Would you pose the same question?
The MSM, like WaPo, are targeting 8chan because of the QAnon movement/conspiracy/nonsense (take your pick). Not because of terrorists, or trolls, or obnoxious and absurd posts. Q, that's it.
Q continues to drop bits of info that TPTB/Cabal would rather keep in the dark. They can't have that now. Take it with grains of salt, but too much has been proven true to fully dismiss it.
"The quality of life is determined by its activites."--Aristotle
FTA: "...Jim Watkins [8chan's sole administrator] owns other Internet businesses and has built a technical fortress to guard 8chan from potential takedowns..."
The single point of failure for 8chan is not the website itself. Rather, the single point of failure is Jim Watkins. Depending on which country Watkins lives, that country could arrest him on something as trivial as disorderly conduct following a traffic stop. Then, depending on how much that government wants to violate Watkins' civil rights, he could be detained on charges of promoting terrorism. There is an important law in the USA absolving websites of content others post (see the DevinsCow debacle with Twitter). But there may be exceptions when it comes to promoting terrorism.
8chan is not untouchable.
Lets do a little 'analysis', purely for scientific educational purposes. Its owned by a 'guy' who does a lot of damage to the people all around the world by promoting his terrorist 'corporate' model:
-1. totally profit oriented, absolutely no concern whatsoever about everyone else. Has such enormous quantities of cash that they can simply buy politicians and laws and newspapers, further spreading terrorist propaganda
-2. treating workers like shit, with abysmal working conditions and on site brainwashing propaganda (we at amazon have the highest work standards bullshit).
To 'improve' their image they then use money from the taxes to improve workers pay, while the 'corporate' moneys are safely tucked away from reach
-3. destroying non predatory bussiness who happen to stand in his way
References:
1. too many sweet deals with the state to be coincindence, washington post is owned by 'Nash holdings', owned by Bezos
2. https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/11/27/undercover-reporter-reveals-brutal-working-conditions-at-amazon, https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/03/amazon-offsetting-pay-rise-by-removing-bonuses-union-says
3. just use internet search engines, for example: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianaltman/2015/10/27/what-amazon-is-doing-to-small-businesses/
See, everyone can play the 'are you a terrorist game', sometimes even with 'solid arguments from many independent sources'. You can just try yourself - are all those 'sources' you find yourself from search engines just fake news? :)
People are looking for places where they can say what they feel like (that's real freedom of expression) and 8chan has become such a place, like 4chan used to be.
When we live in a world where a comment to a news story about yet another hostage/terrorist drama with Islamist bad guys can cause 30 days in Facebook jail. Here's the details and the 'horrible hate speech' it contains: "No, a story like that simply reflects real life where Muslims do most of the terrorist killing in the world today, vastly outnumbering all other kinds of terrorists when it comes to both number of dead and number of incidents."
It's not made up or exaggerated in any way. It's simply uncomfortable facts. Just in the week around the Christchurch attack where 50 Muslim people got killed, about 120 people got killed in a number of Islamist attacks on christian and catholic churches in both Africa, The Middle East and the predominantly Muslim areas of East Asia - and it was a relatively quiet week...
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
Since the attackers are allegedly Australian this presents a rather convenient opportunity for NZ to request Australia exercise its newly acquired intelligence laws under the guise of the 2018 Assistance Access bill.
Anywhere 8chan flows, they will be there to collect the information.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
should CNN be considered a terrorist recruitment site because of the extremely left wing views that upset right wingers?
No, you idiot. Hitting people in a riot during a protest-counter-protest is not the same level of violence as murder or mass murder.
Agreed; which is why nothing your "alt-right" has ever done can hold a candle to the mass murder perpetuated in the name of communism. If you're really worried about mass murder, start clamping down on those who express left-wing political opinions.
Here in Eastern Europe we have
- no Muslim terrorism
- no anti-Muslim terrorism
- no political violence at all in fact
- actual free speech, without any hate speech laws
- uncensored Internet
- lax gun control by European standards
Such a society is not only possible, but exists in practice. Just saying.
Up to you to figure out what the differencemaker might be.
There is already a word for a terrorist recruiting/training site: mosque.
Wow, Kohath, you really don't like the Washington Post do you?
Tell us, what newspapers do you read that aren't Jeff Bezos blog?
They Goyim know. Shut it down!
Is any forum without moderators or censorship a terrorist breeding ground?
Does that mean censorship is the only way a progressive society full of hate can exist?
That we can only be free if we delete opinions we don't like?
My gender can't be defined with a pronoun you insensitive clod
Haven't leftists grown tired of solutions that don't work? The Chinese are still trying to filter the world for their citizens, the Soviets tried controlling free expression, North Korea does the same, and yet it doesn't prevent anything. Going on a century later and retarded communists around the world are still convinced that if they could just control the conversations people are having that they wouldn't rebel against communist agendas. It doesn't work you fucking morons. As JFK noted, those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
It's kind of ironic that it's conservatives who are filled with rage, fear and ignorance, who lash out at the slightest excuse and scream hysterically when they get a little of their own medicine back, or at the smallest intrusion of objective reality into their fantasy world. They're the first to call others "snowflake" and "libtard", but demographically they're largely a pathetic group of proudly ignorant, underachieving, low IQ, old white men whose accomplishments are mostly in their heads.
For example, have you heard the vitriol being directed at that Republican Senator who lost an eye serving your country because he dared to demand that draft dodger Donald Trump stop insulting John McCain? They've been calling him a coward, a traitor and a pussy...and you can bet virtually none of the senile old farts have ever been within a thousand miles of a shooting war.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.