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Apple Still Hasn't Fixed Its MacBook Keyboard Problem (wsj.com)

Joanna Stern, writing for the Wall Street Journal [the link may be paywalled]: Why is the breaking of my MacBook Air keyboard so insanely maddening? Let's take a trip down Memory Lane.
April 2015: Apple releases the all-new MacBook with a "butterfly" keyboard. In order to achieve extreme thinness, the keys are much flatter than older generations but the butterfly mechanism underneath, for which the keyboard is named, aims to replicate the bounce of a more traditional keyboard.
October 2016: The MacBook Pro arrives with a second-generation butterfly keyboard. A few months later, some begin to report that letters or characters don't appear, that keys get stuck or that letters unexpectedly repeat.
June 2018: Apple launches a keyboard repair program for what the company says is a "small percentage" of MacBook and MacBook Pro keyboards impacted.
July 2018: Apple releases a new high-end MacBook Pro with the third-generation of the keyboard that's said to fix the issues.
October 2018: Apple's new MacBook Air also has the third-generation keyboard. I recommend it, and even get one for myself.

Which brings us to the grand year 2019 and my MacBook Air's faulty E and R keys. Others have had problems with Apple's latest laptops, too. A proposed nationwide class-action suit alleges that Apple has been aware of the defective nature of these keyboards since 2015 yet sold affected laptops without disclosing the problem. "We are aware that a small number of users are having issues with their third-generation butterfly keyboard and for that we are sorry," an Apple spokesman said in a statement. "The vast majority of Mac notebook customers are having a positive experience with the new keyboard." If you have a problem, contact Apple customer service, he added.
John Gruber, a long time Apple columnist: I consider these keyboards the worst products in Apple history. MacBooks should have the best keyboards in the industry; instead they're the worst. They're doing lasting harm to the reputation of the MacBook brand.

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  1. This happens by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Interesting

    when appearance is prioritized over function. When it came out, all the reviewers went into paroxysms of ecstacy about how thin it was. Now we see what happens when it''s not as thick as it needs to be.

    1. Re:This happens by Mascot · · Score: 4, Informative

      To boot, the early models were even thinner at the slim end.

      2012 MBA: Height: 0.11-0.68 inch (0.3-1.7 cm)
      2018 MBA: Height: 0.16–0.61 inch (0.41–1.56 cm)

      That they somehow managed to mess up something as testable as a keyboard, is one thing. That they haven't managed to fix it several iterations later, is just sad. I'm sticking with my 2012 model and hoping it never dies.

    2. Re:This happens by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Problem is if they fix it they will be admitting that it was a cock-up. By quietly adding a fraction of a millimetre every year and some little protective membranes they will eventually make it more or less reliable and still get to claim it was a minor issue.

      Fortunately people like iFixIt cut through their bullshit, same as they did with the screen cable flaw.

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    3. Re:This happens by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      A lot of people are locked into buying if they are app developers. You can do the Android app on a mac but you can't do the iOS app on Windows or Linux.

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    4. Re:This happens by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      A keyboard has to be cleanable in some way. Dust goes down not up.

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  2. You're pressing it wrong by mspohr · · Score: 4, Funny

    We all know that Apple never makes mistakes. It must be you.

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    1. Re:You're pressing it wrong by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

      We all know that Apple never makes mistakes. It must be you.

      I hear their next keyboard will have only one button ... :-)

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  3. Why would they? by stealth_finger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would they? Suckers keep buying them and then they can make extra on the repairs.

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    1. Re:Why would they? by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lol.. You think it's good that "only one out of four" year-old laptops completely broke.

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    2. Re:Why would they? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

      They're not making any extra on the repairs. I've heard of people bringing in their laptops multiple times for keyboard problems, especially in the first generation. Because the whole top of the case needs to be replaced, it's, like, a $600 part for Apple every time they do it. There's a very real possibility that the repairs is affecting Apple's bottom line when it comes to this model. On top of that, they'll repair ANY laptop with this keyboard from the first two generations, even if you didn't have AppleCare+. It's stunning to me that they released yet another incremental change on this design, even from just a selfish, capitalist standpoint. Leave aside that it's a terrible look for them, it's shrinking their margins.

  4. It's not that simple by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when appearance is prioritized over function.

    That's not at all the case though.

    I really like how the newer keyboard feels. Yes there's absolutely some fun to typing on a big old clacking keyboard with a long draw, but I find that flatter low travel keyboards are quicker to type on.

    So the thinness DOES have function. Now it may be the case that you can't have a reliable keyboard that thin, but I think we have yet to prove out that theory since Apple keeps iterating and the keyboard keeps improving... and even though there are a number of people who have seen issues, I know a lot of people with the newer keyboard who have not.

    the reviewers went into paroxysms of ecstacy about how thin it was

    Really, who? I recall seeing zero reviews praising that aspect of the keyboard - just the overall thinness of the laptop itself.

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    1. Re:It's not that simple by thereddaikon · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are the first person I've seen praise the feel of that keyboard.

    2. Re:It's not that simple by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't mind the feel of the keybord per se (and I type a lot) but the following things bother me:
      - Touch strip is a bad idea. Maybe it helps people who use fancy software but I'm wearing out a bald spot in the case from when I use vi and miss the recessed non-tactile key.
      - The key surface is chicklet and not cupped. This leads to lack of feedback when my hands are drifting off the keys. - A keyboard that cannot be cleaned, really? Many people who buy Macbooks have houses slightly more messy than the Apple store. In fact, I find the neatness of the Apple store a bit unnerving.

      I've experienced first hand the sound that the keys make. Picture a gooey public theater floor with spilled pop and candy on it over centuries, now press your foot down on that floor and lift it up. That is the sound the keys make. Fortunately, I got a new keyboard on Apple-care but I now have a laptop that I don't really feel like I can take anywhere because if anything else gets in the keys it will be a problem.

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  5. Re:So this is what "news for geeks" has fallen to. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't you mean "News for Nerds: Stuff that Matters"?

  6. USB microphones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apple still hasn't addressed the fact that USB mics crap out when used for any length of time.

    They used to be the media creators system, but now low latency audio and video platforms are not labelled "Apple".

  7. Re:So this is what "news for geeks" has fallen to. by GrumpySteen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At least it's about something technological. It could be yet another article about which politician farted upwind of an orphanage.

  8. Side note by nightfire-unique · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not an Apple fan for many reasons, but if I might hijack the story for the moment, I would like to make a side note.

    There aren't a whole lot of things a company can do to earn my unbridled loyalty. One of the things they can do is take responsibility for a problem, publicly, loudly, and apologetically. They can offer legitimate solutions to legitimate problems. When a company goes out of their way to say "we fucked up; we're sorry, and here is how we're going to fix it" they gain so many respect points (personally) that they're almost guaranteed I will make it worth their while in the end.

    I sometimes wonder if I'm the outlier, or if people are just really bad at business.

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    1. Re:Side note by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      I would accept literally any other platform and OS, but XCode has to work on it.

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  9. Simila Issus by Zephyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Which brings us to the grand year 2019 and my MacBook Air's faulty E and R keys.

    I hav noticd simila poblms with my kyboad. It's causing numous os.

  10. Apple just wants to be finance company anyway by stuff-n-things · · Score: 2

    With the new Apple credit card, you can pay to have your MBP fixed, or buy a new one every six months.

  11. Re:The worst laptop keyboard ever made by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

    Same here. I now refuse to buy Macbooks unless a project specifically requires it for whatever reason.

    This new keyboard is not only insultingly poor quality, but it's an ergonomic nightmare too.

  12. Re:Buy a proper keyboard and shutup by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't forget the roll of duct tape, to you know, strap it onto your laptop.

  13. Fire Johnny Ives.... by Proudrooster · · Score: 2

    Yes, this is the reason I am still on a 2013 Mac Book Pro. I mean, I would love to upgrade so I could carry around all the Apple expensive dongles and have to live in the future with only USB-C ports.

    Bottom line, Apple will not listen to it's customers and wants thin, unrepairable, expensive still that lasts 2-3 years max.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Enjoy it while you can get it, but eventually the sheeple will figure it out.