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Justice Department Warns Academy About Changing Oscar Rules To Exclude Streaming (techcrunch.com)

The Justice Department has warned the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences that its potential rule changes limiting the eligibility of Netflix and other streaming services for the Oscars could raise antitrust concerns and violate competition law. From the report: According to a letter obtained by Variety, the chief of the DOJ's Antitrust Division, Makan Delrahim, wrote to AMPAS CEO Dawn Hudson on March 21 to express concerns that new rules would be written "in a way that tends to suppress competition." "In the event that the Academy -- an association that includes multiple competitors in its membership -- establishes certain eligibility requirements for the Oscars that eliminate competition without procompetitive justification, such conduct may raise antitrust concerns," Delrahim wrote. The letter came in response to reports that Steven Spielberg, an Academy board member, was planning to push for rules changes to Oscars eligibility, restricting movies that debut on Netflix and other streaming services around the same time that they show in theaters. Netflix made a big splash at the Oscars this year, as the movie "Roma" won best director, best foreign language film and best cinematography.

Delrahim cited Section 1 of the Sherman Act that "prohibits anticompetitive agreements among competitors." "Accordingly, agreements among competitors to exclude new competitors can violate the antitrust laws when their purpose or effect is to impede competition by goods or services that consumers purchase and enjoy but which threaten the profits of incumbent firms," Delrahim wrote. He added, "if the Academy adopts a new rule to exclude certain types of films, such as films distributed via online streaming services, from eligibility for the Oscars, and that exclusion tends to diminish the excluded films' sales, that rule could therefore violate Section 1."
An Academy spokesperson said, "We've received a letter from the Dept. of Justice and have responded accordingly. The Academy's Board of Governors will meet on April 23 for its annual awards rules meeting, where all branches submit possible updates for consideration."

140 comments

  1. How can this be anti-trust? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems like award shows should be free to chose whatever they like as criteria to base awards on - just as the public can feel free to ignore award shows that choose to slide into irrelevancy... not justice department needed I should say.

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    1. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only one question, who has enough money to get the DOJ involved?

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    2. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Xenx · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem comes in that being Oscar nominated or winning an Oscar is marketable, to the actors in the movies and to the studios for new movies with those actors in it. If a director/actor/etc is given a choice, they would likely want the option to be able to earn an Oscar for their work when it's Oscar worthy work. Following that trail, it then becomes harder for Netflix to make quality movies with major names because the actors don't get their rightful acclaim for the work. At that point, the Academy is supporting traditional studios to the exclusion of potential competition.

      It's not like what I'm saying is a guaranteed to happen or anything, but the fact that it can happen means it's at least a concern. And since the Academy is run by the studios, they have a vested interest to prevent outsiders from gaining traction. As such, it would potentially fall under the Sherman Act like the summary mentions.

    3. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by DRJlaw · · Score: 5, Informative

      It seems like award shows should be free to chose whatever they like as criteria to base awards on - just as the public can feel free to ignore award shows that choose to slide into irrelevancy... not justice department needed I should say.

      It can be because the Sherman Antitrust Act says:

      Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal. Every person who shall make any contract or engage in any combination or conspiracy hereby declared to be illegal shall be deemed guilty of a felony, and, on conviction thereof, shall be punished by fine not exceeding $100,000,000 if a corporation, or, if any other person, $1,000,000, or by imprisonment not exceeding 10 years, or by both said punishments, in the discretion of the court.

      This award show is run via written and oral agreements -- i.e., contracts -- amongst members who are competitors and effectively operates as a trade organization. The Sherman Act does not include an "award show" exception, and I see no need for a snap amateur opinion on whether the Justice Department is needed in lieu of a professional opinion by persons qualified to practice antitrust law, i.e., the DOJ antitrust division.

    4. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by s4080326 · · Score: 0

      Award shows absolutely should be able to, Movie Studios/Distributors absolutely shouldn't be allowed to. The devil is always in the details, The nerd analogy would be if Intel refused to advertise on CNet unless CNet only reviewed CPU's produced by in house fabrication.

    5. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems like employers should be free to choose whatever they like as criteria to base hiring on - just as the public can feel free to ignore companies that choose to not hire blacks.

    6. Re: How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 just wanted to add that it's ridiculous to exclude workers from awards based only on how the resulting product is distributed. A movie is still a movie -- whether it's on DVD, movie theater, HBO, ABC, or Netflix

    7. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't have a paid Netflix subscription, therefore I cannot watch Netflix movies.

      If the Academy is forced to include Netflix movies, they are giving Netflix a big boost. Should the Oscars also be forced to include made for TV movies? It's the same reasoning.

    8. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by mcl630 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't have a paid Netflix subscription, therefore I cannot watch Netflix movies.

      You can't watch a film at the theater without buying a ticket either. I'm not sure how that's relevant to the discussion.

    9. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Uberbah · · Score: 2

      That and the fact that the price of a non-matinee movie ticket would pay for a month's worth of Netflix in many markets...

    10. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they should be forced to include baseball games, as I can also watch that for entertainment too.

      And while they're at it, the World Series should include movies.

    11. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems like criminal behavior should be treated in the same way no matter if it is common thievery of monopoly practices. Furthermore, a society would benefit many times over from even more forceful elimination of monopoly practices (compared to plain thievery), due to monopolies destroying competition.

      All that neoliberals do when supporting monopolies is to undermine their position. They don't even understand when they cross from supporting capitalism to supporting corporatism.

    12. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also don't see the point because the Oscar has been irrelevant for quite a while. Most Oscars are fully deserved, but they always been devalued by those who are barely deserved and have been included for some kind of marketing reasons (or bribing?). That's for US productions. If you look at international cinema, then the Oscar has always been pathetic,persistently ignoring the best movies in favour of not-entirely-bad blockbusters.

    13. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      It does, however, include a freedom of speech exception, whether it wants to or not.

      The government can no more control this because it is for money than it can control a newspaper because it is for money.

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    14. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Most Oscars are fully deserved, but they always been devalued by those who are barely deserved and have been included for some kind of marketing reasons (or bribing?).

      Like black panther? The film that starts with him giving up his powers so he can go through a thing to get his power because reasons and it's all downhill from there.

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    15. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Generally an industry becomes regulated to the degree that it is monopolistic. Since there can be only one network of sewer pipes in a city, we regulate utilities. But are the Oscars enough of a “monopoly” to justify external regulation? I’m tempted to say yes, on grounds that Hollywood’s own culture keeps demanding the external regulation of absolutely everything, so regulating the Oscars would be a beautiful object lesson on being careful what you wish for. But let us not descend to their level.

    16. Re: How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the law. However, you didn't earn high marks in humility 101 at school, I fancy. OTOH, the girth of @SuperKendall's tolerance organ is truly impressive.

    17. Re: How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the speech, and it's not the money, it's the banding together that is the culprit here. They can give out all the awards they want to whomever they want, they just can't band together is particular ways to do it.

    18. Re: How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, but let's do it. They do need the lesson.

    19. Re: How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The descent into the crapflood commences.

    20. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the jews

    21. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      At that point, the Academy is supporting traditional studios to the exclusion of potential competition.

      Yes, it is self promotion, an advertisement for the studios. What is the problem? Netflix can have their own awards show. I am fascinated that this is a hot button issue.

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    22. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      the DOJ antitrust division

      Yeah, no high drama political theater there, right? The Academy owes them an award!

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    23. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Sure, if those made for tv movies see any sort of release in theaters. Netflix was able to submit their content by playing along with long established rules which only required minor runs in theaters.

    24. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by denzacar · · Score: 1

      I believe that the answer to that is Uncle Sam.

      You DO realize that government agencies "responsible for the enforcement of the law and administration of justice" have a duty and a mandate to act in order to enforce the laws of said government?
      Like... Totally on their own.
      No one has to tell them to do that.
      That is their job.

      You get that, right?
      In your "secret rulers of the world" universe, that bit of info leaks through the paranoia, right?

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    25. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Oscars are run by a cartel. All of the traditional studios have members. The move to prohibit Netflix and Hulu is clearly an abuse by a cartel.

    26. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      It's a little more complex than that. If the awards show represents the industry then it is a problem if they take action to prevent potential newcomers to the industry from taking part, if it'd make a material difference (and it does, Oscars bring in the cash, they're not just trophies a movie producer puts in a locked filing cabinet and forgets about) to their ability to compete.

      In this case Spielberg wants the Academy to exclude studios that do not support theaters, and those theaters can make or break whether the studios currently under consideration continue to make profits. So while Spielberg may be making a (crappy, let's be honest) artistic argument (and that may be his primary motivation), the reality is that as a movie producer he has a financial interest in keeping Netflix out.

      I'm fine with the DoJ putting the screws on here, and would be even if I didn't think Spielberg, Nolan, et al, aren't horribly out of touch.

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    27. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      A month of Netflix generally costs less than ONE movie ticket (depending on time of day and location of the theater)

    28. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      This is about anti-trust collusion. It's a classic case.

    29. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, somebody paid them to pick this case over real antitrust violations in banking, energy, communications, transportation, agriculture. It is theater. So please, save your shilling for the believers.

    30. Re: How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 2019 friendo thanks to the ACA the government is within their right to force anyone to utilize anything, at gunpoint.

    31. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Should the Oscars also be forced to include made for TV movies? It's the same reasoning.

      Yes. Why is this even a question? I mean it's not like that's a threat. Made for TV movies have a certain non-Oscar quality to them so the fact that this restriction is in place in the first place is truly bizarre.

      But the reality is that Netflix actually pay to have their movies shown in a Cinema which actually makes them different from your direct to TV approach.

    32. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your argument is predicated on the notion that the existing criteria for Oscar nominations pass anti-trust muster and have been examined by the DOJ already--not just the change in the rules. Considering the arbitrary criteria for the existing rules, why haven't they been publicly scolded already? It seems very a al carte, which has been a huge problem with anti-trust law for a long time.

    33. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My question is that can you get the Netflix own movies from a different means (DVD, etc. and not pirate)? If not, then you are comparing apples with oranges.

    34. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      It seems like award shows should be free to chose whatever they like as criteria to base awards on - just as the public can feel free to ignore award shows that choose to slide into irrelevancy... not justice department needed I should say.

      Perhaps for a privately-run, individually-operated awards show, but the Academy is a trade organization representing the interests of its members, and those members come from competing (almost entirely incumbent) companies across the film industry. As such, its members run the risk of engaging in collusion if they take action that prevents competition, most obviously if they were to prevent competition from a competitor who isn't part of their ranks.

      Towards that end, when Spielberg more or less suggested that the Academy redefine what a "film" is to exclude the new generation of streaming studios like Netflix, he was—perhaps without realizing it—effectively suggesting that the incumbents collude to exclude the new guys from the benefits of one of the industry's biggest marketing opportunities each year. The DOJ basically retorted with, "We don't care if you redefine 'film', they're still your competitors and you still can't collude against them".

      While that angle didn't occur to me when I first heard about Spielberg's remarks a few weeks ago, I can't say that I disagree with the DOJ's reasoning in this case.

    35. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but if I watch it on Netflix, I have to pour stick soda on my floor and get my wife to kick the back of my chair every now and then.

    36. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So we're going to start enforcing the anti-trust laws again, but against the Oscars, and not the cable/cell phone companies? Or the banks? Or the multinationals?

      Cool.

    37. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this. if netflix (or amazon or any other 'streamer') wants academy award consideration, they need to follow their rules: a theatrical premiere and the qualifying theatrical run must begin before any 'non theatrical' distribution takes place.

      those rules have been in place long before netflix and amazon even existed.

    38. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Possibly since Hollywood hasn't been kind to the right, it's a bit of payback. But unless you have some evidence of your claim, you're nothing but a tin-foil AC. People taking money in the Justice Department would be risking jail, so until you have a smoking gun, I'm gonna call BS.

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    39. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      You also don't have a free ticket to the movie theaters, so you can cut that bullshit right there. The Oscars have included streaming sources, and now that it's cutting into Spielberg's (and others) bottom line, they want to limit competition. That's anti-competitive, and should be stopped. Yes, there are also plenty of other places that the JD should be doing the same, but that's just whataboutism.

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    40. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by strikethree · · Score: 1

      OOooooo. This is interesting. I am surprised because I wouldn't think there is much here:

      I think I am seeing what the other person was driving at. Netflix is not an "open platform". I need to subscribe and I need to have an "approved device" whereas with a movie theater, I just buy a ticket and watch, nothing special needed from me.

      A movie theater has to justify kicking me out, Netflix does not.

      I am sure there is more to it than this, but there is a very real difference in access between a movie theater and Netflix.

      Not that I agree or disagree with the final point, just that it is more nuanced than originally expected.

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    41. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ideally, companies should be allowed not to hire blacks...
      And let other companies hire all the black talent they left out and outcompete them.

    42. Re:How can this be anti-trust? by Can'tNot · · Score: 1

      Following that trail, it then becomes harder for Netflix to make quality movies with major names because the actors don't get their rightful acclaim for the work.

      This is not true. It would not be any more difficult for Netflix to make quality movies, it just means that they would have to give their movies a full theatrical release before putting them on the streaming service if they want that Oscar bump.

      This happened because Netflix has been following the letter of the rule, in defiance of the spirit of that rule. The Academy has said that they want the Oscars to be for theatrical films, and made some rules to try and enforce that. Netflix did the bare minimum to qualify, and is very obviously just using the Oscars as a marketing tool without any intention of supporting films as a theatrical medium. Hence Spielburg's comments about changing the rules further.

  2. Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If the studios are pushing to keep, say, Netflix away it's a very serious concern. If the oscars just don't like Netflix or any other reason, it's not such a problem

    1. Re:Rules by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      If the studios are pushing to keep, say, Netflix away it's a very serious concern. If the oscars just don't like Netflix or any other reason, it's not such a problem

      Netflix should just have their own awards. With black jack...and hookers. Forget the awards.

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  3. Re: Rich people make award to give themselves.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't that the tag line from the blues brothers?

  4. Overreach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is the govt getting involved to tell a private organization how in needs to run its awards program? Thereâ(TM)s no commerce going on here, just trophies being awarded. DOJ needs to butt out.

    1. Re: Overreach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a marketing campaign run by a cartel. Cartels are legal, according to the current DOJ, as long as they don't abuse their position. This is a warning that the cartel appears to be planning to abuse their monopoly position.

    2. Re: Overreach by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      The People need not be afraid or armed thugs who would tell them, "here is our approved list of whom you may declare great actors and movies".

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    3. Re: Overreach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously you've never worked with Disney.

  5. History of the Oscars by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The nascent studios, facing uneasy public relations , literally decided to get together and give themselves awards.

    Stupid Americans bought the act hook, line, and sinker. The Academy Awards is an industry group doing promotion. Their awards are not a meritocracy nor do they reflect any kind of objective standards. WTH is DoJ thinking?

    You can't play a game other people host and expect them to lose their own game. If anything, Rotten Tomatoes has made them obsolete, aside from the people who are more concerned with celebrity worship than filmcraft.

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    1. Re:History of the Oscars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Fake awards, fake law enforcement. DOJ pretends to enforce anti-trust law, hopes you won't notice banks, telecom, health care.

    2. Re:History of the Oscars by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      WTH is DoJ thinking?

      Grabs the headlines, doesn't it? It's absolutely wonderful Theater of the Absurd...

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    3. Re:History of the Oscars by s4080326 · · Score: 2

      Rotten Tomatoes is slowly starting to bend the knee to the studios.

    4. Re:History of the Oscars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AG Bertelsmann, News Corp, and Disney now own 95% of the media in the united states, e.g. print, television, cable and radio and to an increasing the last mile of internet.

      What they are being warned against is colluding to engage in misleading advertising against an competing industry that might unseat them, which they have prooven themselves more than willing to do. As to why the FTC would allow let Disney Buy Fox from News Corp is beyond me but whatever.

    5. Re:History of the Oscars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Rotten Tomatoes has made them obsolete

      Talk about buying something hook, line and sinker.

      Rotten Tomatoes is a PR site for big studios. It's owned by NBCUniversal and Warner Bros.

    6. Re:History of the Oscars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid Americans bought the act hook, line, and sinker. The Academy Awards is an industry group doing promotion. Their awards are not a meritocracy nor do they reflect any kind of objective standards. WTH is DoJ thinking?

      Probably the obvious: if the Academy Awards were a meritocracy and reflected some sort of objective standard, then any claims of anti-trust collusion would be trivially proven as baseless. Instead, being an industry group doing promotion on the scale of most the major players, the Oscars excluding Netflix and others is little different than Microsoft pushing OEMs to not pre-install rival web browsers. Yea, you lose the argument that you can do whatever you want to push your own agenda when you're part of a trust or a monopoly. The only amazing thing to me is the DoJ is actually speaking up so quickly rather than waiting for 10+ years to get off their ass to do something meaningful.

    7. Re:History of the Oscars by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      There's nothing misleading about saying, "This actor is great!" And even if it were, it is not a lying snake oil promise about fake medicine.

      This is speech, not manufacturing.

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    8. Re:History of the Oscars by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Except that the Oscars are speech, not part of a manufacturing progress.

      Free speech drags itself like an 800 lb. gorilla wherever it goes.

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    9. Re:History of the Oscars by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      The nascent studios, facing uneasy public relations , literally decided to get together and give themselves awards.

      Stupid Americans bought the act hook, line, and sinker. The Academy Awards is an industry group doing promotion. Their awards are not a meritocracy nor do they reflect any kind of objective standards. WTH is DoJ thinking?

      You can't play a game other people host and expect them to lose their own game. If anything, Rotten Tomatoes has made them obsolete, aside from the people who are more concerned with celebrity worship than filmcraft.

      This American agrees, I have zero interest in awards shows or who wins, but we aren't the only ones to get sucked up in awards and celebrity worship.

    10. Re:History of the Oscars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fraud is also speech, not part of a manufacturing progress (process?). Oddly enough, companies aren't people and their vested interest of "make money" and "fuck over people, even to their death" doesn't fly. So, no, you don't get to relabel rat poison as aspirin and claim "free speech". Nor do you get to collude to misrepresent your ads as anything more than a trade show to hype your own products without getting the regulatory beat down. Don't like it? Prove to me that a trade group is a person or that their actions warrant protection as "press"--that's why I brought up the whole meritocracy and objective standards bit.

      The whole line about the answer to speech is more speech doesn't apply when people can commit outright fraud. Or, put another way, if it's okay for the Oscars to misrepresent who and what it is designed for, then I sure as fuck can claim to be WB and intentionally or not tank many WB "properties" because "free speech".

    11. Re:History of the Oscars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is speech, not manufacturing.

      The Oscars are advertising. Advertising is speech. Fraudulent advertising is still illegal.

    12. Re:History of the Oscars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's nothing misleading about saying, "This actor is great!" And even if it were, it is not a lying snake oil promise about fake medicine.

      This is speech, not manufacturing.

      Speech can and is manufactured.

      One liar who says an actor is great. No big deal.

      Ten million liars saying the same thing is the kind of shit that now shifts stock prices, which is exactly why we shouldn't be listening to bullshit feeders like Rotten Tomatoes. You never know if those opinions were honest or manufactured.

  6. Re:Oh the irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, I think that's how things always worked. No Trump required.

  7. Of all the problems by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the Justice Department can be looking into . . . . .
    they look into a GD AWARDS SHOW ?

    Where rich and famous celebrities co-mingle and congratulate each other for the ability to cry on que ?
    ( Does anyone even give a sh*t and watch it ? )

    Not the opioid problem.
    Not the thousands of illegals streaming across the border problem.
    Not the Big Pharma cranking prices of drugs up by 5000% because they're a monopoly problem.
    Not the $infinitely_long_and_MUCH_MORE_IMPORTANT_list of problems they can be looking at. . .

    No no no. . . . The Academy Awards :|

    W-T-F

    1. Re:Of all the problems by mentil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is like Congress grilling baseball players about doping. It's all about conspicuously appearing to be doing stuff that matters to the average voter. Ideally, stuff that's easy. I imagine the current DOJ has no love for Hollywood right now, so it's something that doesn't agitate any donors of the current administration.

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    2. Re:Of all the problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like this was a major investigation, it's literally just a letter that probably took Mr. Delrahim 30 minutes to compose. I don't think any of those other problems you mentioned can be solved with a single letter. Settle down and stop getting high on the adrenaline from your own misplaced outrage.

    3. Re:Of all the problems by oldgraybeard · · Score: 2

      While I have no interest. Many in my family won't miss the entertainment awards show of the week. So they do have an audience.
      In my book anti trust was meant for things that are required to live. If it is something I don't need to exist why is the government wasting tax dollars. Oh right wasting tax dollars is what the government does.

      Just my 2 cents ;)

    4. Re:Of all the problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you have to fix the big stuff AND the small stuff?

      Authorities can't just ignore the small crimes, because those will poison people's everyday lives.

    5. Re:Of all the problems by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Remember this observation the next time the parties are swapped, and make sure you still hold it a high value.

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    6. Re:Of all the problems by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      Worse, this is speech they are attacking, explicitely carved out for protection.

      Declaring it "for money" is not a work around for the First Amendment assaults any more than it is for a newspaper.

      Government minder: "Here is a pre-approved list of people and movies you may praise. Do not deviate or you will be jailed."

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    7. Re:Of all the problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cynicism is price less. Nobody pays to have it,but they pay when they don't.

      You should remember that now.

    8. Re:Of all the problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my book anti trust was meant for things that are required to live.

      Your book isn't the Federal register, is it?

      If it is something I don't need to exist why is the government wasting tax dollars. Oh right wasting tax dollars is what the government does.

      Yeah, the government only exists for you and your needs.

      Your two cents aren't worth a plug nickel.

    9. Re:Of all the problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worse, this is speech they are attacking, explicitely carved out for protection.

      Nope, this is commercial enterprise, explicitly identified for regulation. Read your Constitution!

      Declaring it "for money" is not a work around for the First Amendment assaults any more than it is for a newspaper.

      Declaring it "mah freedoms" is not a Carte Blanche for doing something illegal, any more than it is for employment, housing, religion, or murder.

      Government minder: "Here is a pre-approved list of people and movies you may praise. Do not deviate or you will be jailed."

      Reality of Government: No trying to kick your competitors out of the marketplace by acting in restraint of trade. We know what you would do if you got your way.

    10. Re:Of all the problems by Danathar · · Score: 1

      Actually, there are probably open cases in DOJ about most or all of those.

    11. Re:Of all the problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the robocall problem?

    12. Re:Of all the problems by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Let's look at the list shall we:

      Awards show: The presence of the award making a start or service marketable in an industry and thus having negative direct financial impact on people and companies across the industry involved or working with one specific company. - Seems exactly what the Department of Justice - AntiTrust Division should handle.

      - Opioid problem - Not sure why the Anti Trust Division should handle that.

      - Illegals streaming across the border - I think this is more of a Fox New problem than anything belonging to the DoJ, but in any case it wouldn't be part of the Anti Trust Division.

      - Big Pharma cranking up the price by 5000% due to being a monopoly - that does sound like an Antitrust problem, right until you realise that it's not an antitrust problem nor is it illegal to set a high price for your goods even if you're a monopoly. It's actually quite the opposite. If a competitor came along then it would be illegal for the monopoly to *drop* it's price to remove the competitor out of the market.

      - the $infinitely_long_and_MUCH_MORE_IMPORTANT_list - You have yet to label one thing that the Anti Trust Division of the DoJ could be working on instead of this. I'm beginning to think that you don't understand that there are different departments dedicated to different problems within the DoJ. I'm beginning to think you raged and typed before thinking and researching. This also isn't the Anti Trust Division's problem. This is firmly the problem of the United States Department of Education

    13. Re:Of all the problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worse, this is speech they are attacking, explicitely carved out for protection.

      Declaring it "for money" is not a work around for the First Amendment assaults any more than it is for a newspaper.

      Government minder: "Here is a pre-approved list of people and movies you may praise. Do not deviate or you will be jailed."

      The awards ceremony, or specifically the voting and issuance of the award, may constitute speech but the awards ceremony is not the subject of the DoJ. The issuance of awards itself is a determination made by the 5000+ members of Academy which vote on the nominees. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences is the subject for the DoJ and it is a trade organization. As a trade organization, it potential monopolistic nature makes it subject to anti-trust regulation. Like it or not, conferring an Oscar typically carries a long term fiscal boon for the recipients with being able to command higher salaries, more reliably get projects green-lit, or secure greater levels of funding for projects. For a production company like Netflix, this can result in directors and projects avoiding their platform. The AMPAS officers and board of governors restricting Netflix can be seen as anti-competitive behavior to reduce the ability of Netflix to be able to secure projects to produce.

  8. Re:Oh the irony by dbrueck · · Score: 4, Informative

    What's ironic about it, exactly? Monopolies aren't inherently illegal, so the line you quoted seems accurate.

  9. DOJ scope creep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Netflix and Bezos want to sue the Academy Awards for not considering their programming, let them.

    To the staff at the DOJ who spent time on this: you are the definition of non-essential and and a product of a bloated government.

  10. tick tock by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How long until Netflix buys one of the traditional studios that supports the oscars?

    1. Re:tick tock by jaa101 · · Score: 4, Informative

      How long until Netflix buys one of the traditional studios that supports the oscars?

      That won't help if a rule "restricting movies that debut on Netflix and other streaming services around the same time that they show in theaters" comes into force. Netflix would have to buy enough traditional studios to have the votes to change the Academy's rules.

  11. Still doubtful by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    contracts -- amongst members who are competitors and effectively operates as a trade organization.

    I'm not going to really argue that point, as you say an amateur opinion is not equal to the department of justice.

    I will say from the outside looking in the argument that any of these awards shows are "trade organizations" seems quite weak, and I would love to see how the court case goes here... after all the DOJ does not win every case it pursues, so it's not like they are infallible in option as to what constitutes legality.

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    1. Re:Still doubtful by DRJlaw · · Score: 5, Informative

      I will say from the outside looking in the argument that any of these awards shows are "trade organizations" seems quite weak, and I would love to see how the court case goes here...

      Yes, it's quite a weak argument when you publicly categorize yourself as a trade organization for an exemption from taxation by the IRS.

    2. Re:Still doubtful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I will say from the outside looking in the argument that any of these awards shows are "trade organizations" seems quite weak

      I will say it's quite strong, since that's what they are.

    3. Re:Still doubtful by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      I will say from the outside looking in the argument that any of these awards shows are "trade organizations" seems quite weak, and I would love to see how the court case goes here..

      This is anything but a weak argument and it is not weakend in any way that the general public (including me and obviously you and probably anyone else) never realized that this award show is run by a trade organisation. Different rules would apply for award shows run by e.g. charities or even award shows not limited to members of the organizing trade organization or even awards without commercial and marketable potential as the Oscar.

      So this is not a thing about "any award show" that would require special ruling or exemption but a bunch of criteria that makes this award (and probably a bunch of others) relevant in anti-trust laws.

      On the other hand, any other reward not handed to industry members by industry members based on industry defined rules is not effected in the slightest way. e.g. Nobel Awards

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    4. Re:Still doubtful by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      An award is speech.

      Good luck with this, pal!

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    5. Re:Still doubtful by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      An award involves speech but there's more to it. Especially in this case. Forbidding a rule that excludes newcomers from an important industry award has nothing to do with curtailing freedom of speech. At least, I expect that a judge will find it so.

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    6. Re:Still doubtful by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      An award is speech.

      Good luck with this, pal!

      The speech is the bit of the award everyone wishes they would skip.

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    7. Re:Still doubtful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the award that's the issue, it's the eligibility for the award. That's not speech. As far as I can tell, the Academy would be entirely safe if they allowed Netflix films to be eligible for awards but just never nominated them for any or awarded them any. After all, nominations and awards are down to the judgement of the Academy members and therefore 100% covered by free speech. But the eligibility for films to even be considered by the members? Well, that probably does fall under Sherman.

      So the long and the short of it is the Academy can still easily collude to exclude Netflix from getting any awards, it just has to be more subtle about it.

    8. Re:Still doubtful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's quite a weak argument when you publicly categorize yourself as a trade organization for an exemption from taxation by the IRS.

      They are exempt from taxation, because they are a non-profit organization. There is literally nothing to tax, since the IRS taxes profits. This is as silly as when the banks complained that credit unions didn't have to pay federal income taxes.

    9. Re:Still doubtful by DRJlaw · · Score: 2

      They are exempt from taxation, because they are a non-profit organization. There is literally nothing to tax, since the IRS taxes profits. This is as silly as when the banks complained that credit unions didn't have to pay federal income taxes.

      1. You can only be a tax-exempt "non-profit organization" on certain grounds laid out in section 501(c) of the tax code. Read the second link. Then explore the other related categories.
      2. Nothing except for the $300M in accumulated untaxed assets and $20M in net income made in 2016. Read the first link. Then tell me how there is "literally nothing to tax."
      3. What is silly is your belief that the world works only in the way in which you want it to after 10 seconds of thought, when all evidence is to the contrary.

      You're so far into an imaginary universe, calling it "wrong" does a disservice to those who try but don't get it right.

  12. It's not one organization, it's a cartel of establ by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine if Walmart, Target, Albertsons/Tom Thumb/Safeway, and Whole Foods / Amazon got together and came up with ways of making it harder for new companies to compete with them. It's ilegal for the established companies in a market, competitors, to collude to try to keep out new competitors.

    The Motion Picture Academy is basically the major Hollywood studios; their decision to exclude Netflix and other new companies is about the major studios trying to disadvantage competition from the newer companies, according to the Justice Department.

    ONE studio can do what it wants to try to cause problems for streaming services. It would be ilegal for them to collude in an anti-competitive conspiracy.

    Factually, I don't know if the Academy is controlled by the major studios, but that's the law - if in fact the governors of the academy are trying to protect their employers by disadvantaging streaming services.

  13. Re:How can this be anti-trust? HUH? by chromaexcursion · · Score: 1

    Did you read the article? Read it again. How you got voted up to 5 for an incorrect assumption, well that's the ranking system.

  14. Re: It's not one organization, it's a cartel of es by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing prevents Netflix from doing the required theatrical release for their titles

  15. Streaming = YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quick, someone nominate PewDiePie for Best Actor

  16. What about TV? by jaa101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is competition from Netflix and streaming different from competition from TV? Haven't telemovies already been excluded for years? I guess nobody cared because telemovies haven't been able to compete on quality in the way the movies made for streaming services now can.

    1. Re:What about TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Netflix i complying with the current rules to debut the movie in theatres.
      The new rules would require them to not show those movies on Netflix for some time after the theatrical release.

    2. Re:What about TV? by Whorhay · · Score: 2

      Netflix is fighting it because of the the experience of TV movies. Netflix can see that if they want to be able to attract quality acting talent to make their own movies they have to fight to make that material eligible for the awards shows. Of course if the Studios weren't so hell bent on extorting every penny possible out of their licensing agreements for streaming, Netflix likely wouldn't have pursued creating their own content to the point that they are now in direct competition.

    3. Re:What about TV? by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Movies and Television are separate markets. Television gets their money from advertisers, Movies get their money directly from individual consumers. Entirely different market forces at work; therefore, it is appropriate to treat them differently, even if they seem similar on the surface.

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    4. Re:What about TV? by Can'tNot · · Score: 1

      This is exactly the point. Spielberg didn't say that Netflix films shouldn't be eligible for awards, just that the Oscars are for theatrical films while the Emmies are for films watched at home. TV movies are eligible for Emmies, the idea is that streaming movies should be similar.

  17. Government Overreach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is the government concerned about the Oscars? It should concentrate on important issues like investigating sports or legislating contraception in health insurance.

  18. Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have crooked politicians with cronyism and nepotism reaching our highest offices, an opoid epidemic destroying thousands of lives, companies breaking laws to profit off poisoning our air and water, illegal guns constantly hitting our streets, , not to mention foreign governments using the Internet to run propaganda operations and push their agenda on our naive citizens.

    Thanks DOJ for focusing your efforts on the things that really matter.

    1. Re:Meanwhile by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      the DOJ is more than one person, they can theoretically work on multiple things at once.

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  19. Since when our government cares about antitrust? by guacamole · · Score: 4, Insightful

    During the last 30 years or so, the American industry suffered from a massive erosion in competition thanks to the endless merger-mania. The telecoms and cable industry are probably the best example, leaving most of us choosing between two or three major providers, but the same went on in other areas, for example the airlines. Our drugs are the most expensive because we don't allow imported drugs, and our health insurance market is a joke. Our government had no guts to split Microsoft, and it still has no guts to split the monsters like Google into a bunch of separate businesses.

    So out of blue, they now worry about THIS? I honestly have this hard to believe. I am guessing the Amazon and Netflix lobbyists have rubbed a few right politicians.

  20. PewyDie by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    streams.... opps remember to subscribe :)

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  21. Think of it like this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's an advertising platform that excludes ONE COMPANY from getting ad space.

    That's pretty anti-trusty....

  22. Re:It's not one organization, it's a cartel of est by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Academy is not studios. Only individuals can join. It is selective and invitation only for artistic professionals in the American film industry. Each wing invites its own kind, actors invite actors, directors invite directors, writers invite writers. There is no studio boss wing of the organization nor is there a producer wing

  23. Re: It's not one organization, it's a cartel of es by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netflix already releases the movies in theatres.
    The new rules would disallow netflix to show the movie for a on Netflix until after a certain amount of time has passed.

  24. Re:It's not one organization, it's a cartel of est by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 0

    If Walmart, etc., was only speaking by saying how great something was, well, yes, the dictators in government who would control what you say can go hang.

    Is this a law? Damn. The First Amendment wins.

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  25. Re:Since when our government cares about antitrust by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    Anti-government rhetoric like that places you firmly in the far right politically. Careful friend, mark what you say in public. Timothy McVeigh thought just like you.

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  26. Not everyone gets a trophy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whatever.

  27. It's not one pole, it's a cartel of poles. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine if Walmart, Target, Albertsons/Tom Thumb/Safeway, and Whole Foods / Amazon got together and came up with ways of making it harder for new companies to compete with them. It's ilegal for the established companies in a market, competitors, to collude to try to keep out new competitors.

    Kind of like when the incumbents keep Google Fiber off their poles.

  28. Interesting point. A word for that by raymorris · · Score: 2

    Interesting point.

    You said "If Walmart, etc., was only speaking by saying how great something was". I think there is a word for that. "Speaking on television about how great the product is" is normally called "advertising".

    There have been several cases pitting Sherman anti-trust vs the First Amendment, where established media players colluded to keep new companies out.

    Justice Black wrote:

    "It would be strange indeed, however, if the grave concern for freedom of the press which prompted adoption of the First Amendment should be read as a command that the government was without power to protect that freedom. The First Amendment, far from providing an argument against application of the Sherman Act, here provides powerful reasons to the contrary. That Amendment rests on the assumption that the widest possible dissemination of information from diverse and antagonistic sources is essential to the welfare of the public, that a free press is a condition of a free society. Surely a command that the government itself shall not impede the free flow of ideas does not afford non-governmental combinations a refuge if they impose restraints upon that constitutionally guaranteed freedom. Freedom to publish means freedom for all and not for some. Freedom to publish is guaranteed by the Constitution, but freedom to combine to keep others from publishing is not.â

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/co...

  29. Just Regulate It FTW! by mssymrvn · · Score: 1

    If the film industry doesn't want competition, just do what every other industry does: ask Congress to create regulations (that the movie industry itself will write). That way the barrier to entry is so high no newcomers can enter, and boom!: no competition and none of that Sherman Act nonsense.

    Clearly these movie people are rank amateurs.

  30. let it happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop screwing with the free market. The old media will slowly fall away into decay.

    Now would be the time to establish a new organization that recognizes all media categories. Not in a woke faggotry sort of way. Just as a matter of fact.

    Do it on the level, with no preaching and stream it online and you'll have a winner.

  31. Re: It's not one organization, it's a cartel of es by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So? If its applied to releases from other studios that isn't unreasonable.

  32. Oscars are awful by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    Oscars don't really mean anything anymore, it's more about the best promoted submitted movie than really about being the best.
    It would be really stupid to exclude streaming movies from the Oscars, especially because they are made exactly the same. Because a movie hasn't been in theatre doesn't mean it's a bad movie or not 'oscar worthy'.
    Oscars should be about the best production etc, and that could even be a television movie.

  33. Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Been ignoring awards shows for 30 years

  34. Priorities of the DOJ are so shallow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They want to regulate an award? And is not to include poor producers but big rich streaming companies.

    Why don't they do their own awards? The format is not the same anyways.

  35. Don't break the law by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

    So this is our world, huh? Oscars. I think I now see how Trump is going to go down.

    Trump & family's criminal conspiracy with foreign governments against America will be proven, but no action will be taken. Campaign finance violations will be proven, but no action will be taken. Massive tax fraud has already been proven and more will be proven, but no action will be taken except for financial penalties. Multiple counts of obstruction of justice have already been proven and more will be, but no action will be taken. Direct theft from the treasury will be proven ("wall money" laundered through contractors into Trump's pocket), but no action will be taken. Then we'll find out in the Mueller report that the conspiracy with Russia wasn't to interfere with the election, but it was to buy sex slaves children from Russia using the money obtained by selling nuclear weapons to Saudi Arabia, but Barr will say "I've got experience with this" and he'll successfully protect everyone.

    And then Trump will be arrested, convicted and sentenced to federal prison for life, for cheating at golf.

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  36. Re: It's not one organization, it's a cartel of e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't heard that, do they have any decent film? And they release it like any other movie across the whole world?

  37. Spielberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steven Spielberg recently made his (fake) outrage about streaming movies known. But then a few days later, the same Spielberg appeared at the launch of Apple TV, where he is directing a new streaming TV show for Apple.

    Will Steven Spielberg still be outraged at some point in the future when Apple starts making their own streaming-only movies???

  38. Re:Oh the irony by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Yes people seem to confuse anti-trust with monopolies in both directions. You don't need to be a monopoly in order to abuse your market position and fall afoul of antitrust laws either.

  39. Re:Interesting point. A word for that by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Surely a command that the government itself shall not impede the free flow of ideas does not afford non-governmental combinations a refuge if they impose restraints upon that constitutionally guaranteed freedom. —Justice Black

    No, when these so-called "restraints" take the form of speech that's exactly what it means. The First Amendment, like everything else in the Constitution, is binding on the government, not private actors. By taking this action the government is infringing on the freedom of speech, and thus violating the Constitution—full stop. This is not counterbalanced by the dubious argument that their target was somehow (according to the government) undermining a more expansive interpretation of freedom of speech than the one embodied in the Constitution. This judge is placing his personal philosophical views above the actual law.

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  40. Re: Oh the irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shhh. Don't confuse the special needs people. There anti Trump bunch aren't firing on all cylinders. Complex ideas confuse them.

  41. #shitholecountryproblems #nouniversalhealthcare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awards peiple give themselves for media matter. Bigly matter!

    Meanwhile, #shitholecoubtry has no universal healthcare, lolololo!