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Making Video Games Is Not a Dream Job (nytimes.com)

The video game industry is richer than it has ever been. Its revenue in 2018 was $43.8 billion, a recent report estimated, thanks in large part to hugely popular games like Fortnite and Call of Duty. These record-breaking profits could have led one to think that the people who develop video games had it made. But then the blood bath began. From a story, shared by an anonymous reader: In February, Call of Duty's publisher, Activision Blizzard, laid off 8 percent of its staff, or nearly 800 workers, in a cost-cutting massacre. A few weeks later, the game studio ArenaNet cut dozens of positions, while smaller layoffs hit companies like Valve and the digital store operator GOG. And just last week, the video game giant Electronic Arts announced that it was laying off 350 people across the globe.

This brutal start to 2019 followed the closures of major game companies like Telltale, the makers of games based on The Walking Dead, and Capcom Vancouver, the large studio behind the popular action series Dead Rising in 2018. All in all, thousands of video game workers have lost their jobs in the past 12 months. In many of these cases, laid-off employees had no idea what was coming. One developer at a major studio told me in February that he and his colleagues had been crunching -- putting in long hours, including nights and weekends -- for a video game release, only to be suddenly told that security was waiting to escort them off the premises.

Worker exploitation has always been part of the video game industry's DNA. Executives with multimillion-dollar stock packages often treat their employees like Tetris pieces, to be put into place as efficiently as possible, then promptly disposed of. For many kids who grew up with controllers in their hands, being a game developer is a dream job, so when it comes to talent, supply is higher than demand. Some people who make video games receive decent salaries and benefits (experienced programmers at the richest studios can make six figures), but many do not.

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  1. Not as many people needed by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Essentially game development is now using a engine (like Unreal, etc) and hooking up scripts and creating assets. That is why so many "big" games look like clones at this point.

    1. Re:Not as many people needed by JD-1027 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also, with most games now just online multiplayer with a few maps, development becomes much more simple. No need for AI when you have other humans to fill the niche. I guess I don't know for sure, but lack of any single player campaign mode probably really cuts down on development needs.

    2. Re:Not as many people needed by mjwx · · Score: 5, Interesting
      We've always known that games development was a brutal industry, ruled over by corporate overlords who want a product shipped ASAP. Fortunately this is changing as those massive games companies are starting to fail because people aren't buying Medal Of Snorefare 2001923 Modern Boredom or Generic Sports Reskinned for 20xx as much any more.

      Essentially game development is now using a engine (like Unreal, etc) and hooking up scripts and creating assets. That is why so many "big" games look like clones at this point.

      It's a bit more complex that that. However using a pre-existing engine is preferred because building a bespoke engine is so complicated that unless you've got millions in the bank and years to wait, its cheaper just to buy COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf) engine and then build the game around that. This has actually been a huge boon for smaller games developers on PC, they can use Unreal or Unity to make a game on a shoestring budget compared to many the likes of EA, Ubisoft, et al. Consoles not so much as the gatekeepers (Sony/MS) are firmly in the corner of the big boys.

      This is basically like the sports/super/hyper car industries these days. Noble automotive buys a Volvo, Yamaha or Ford engine, then builds a car designed to fit that with a bespoke frame and shell. So a company with limited resources can compete with the likes of VAG (VW/AUDI/Lambo) at the top end. We joke that Noble is "five blokes in a shed in Birmingham" but the M600 is a phenomenal car that I'd prefer over the Aventador or La Ferrari, it can only be that phenomenal because they're using a Volvo designed engine built by Yamaha.

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    3. Re:Not as many people needed by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      You might be surprised. I've worked on several online games before, and multiplayer gameplay creates a significant set of technological challenges that single-player games don't have to worry about (predictive modeling, server-side validation, backend gameplay and matchmaking services, etc). And while the artists aren't necessarily creating a huge game world like in many single-player games, they're plenty busy. I don't think most people appreciate how much work goes into creating a single playable character, with all the unique models, animations, skins, weapons, effects, sounds, and voice work that go into each one.

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    4. Re:Not as many people needed by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Also, with most games now just online multiplayer with a few maps, development becomes much more simple. No need for AI when you have other humans to fill the niche.

      Except all the tweaking as players constantly find new ways to exploit your game mechanics, flaws in your maps etc. in ways that weren't intended but still don't really qualify as cheating or exploiting bugs. Keeping a competitive multiplayer balanced is certainly not a fire-and-forget thing.

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  2. Rush in by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If everyone and their dog want to do it, then there's lots of cut-throat competition and employers know they can treat you like crap. My relative found this out in the clothing designer industry.

    1. Re:Rush in by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If everyone and their dog want to do it, then there's lots of cut-throat competition and employers know they can treat you like crap. My relative found this out in the clothing designer industry.

      "And the man in the suit has just bought a new car with the profits he made on your dreams."

      It's an old story.

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    2. Re:Rush in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Traffic - Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys if anyone wonders where the quote is from.

  3. Nightmares are dreams too by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Funny

    Technically it could still be a dream job. Not all dreams are enjoyable.

  4. Hold on.... by MitchDev · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Worker exploitation has always been part of the EVERY industry's DNA"

    There, FTFY

    1. Re:Hold on.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, that's simply not true. It _can_ be part of massive companies, but there's plenty of companies people actually like working for.

      The game industry, however, has been that way for a long, long time. The spouses of Electronic Arts actually sued EA 15 years ago!

      https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ea-settles-ot-dispute-disgruntled-spouse-outed/1100-6148369/

      I used know someone that worked in games. Her bosses told her "this is what our industry is like". This is what people mean when they say it's in the DNA.

  5. It's like with anything else by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Bad headline.

    Making video games CAN be a dream job.

    But, probably not if you are doing so for a huge company. That's the same with almost any work that can be pleasurable, until you mix in a giant organization you have to please with a million bosses above you who all have a say.

    The thing is, there has never been a better time to be a game developer and make games in a very small (sometimes just yourself) company.

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    1. Re:It's like with anything else by chispito · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the same with almost any work that can be pleasurable, until you mix in a giant organization you have to please with a million bosses above you who all have a say.

      The thing is, there has never been a better time to be a game developer and make games in a very small (sometimes just yourself) company.

      Small shops can have too many bosses, too. Partnerships, for instance. You also may not be able to specialize in a particular area, because you are more likely to be wearing many hats. Not saying working for a megacorp is always better, but there are tradeoffs either way.

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  6. Fishing by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hear lots of kids say that they want to be game developers because they like to play games and they need a job when they're adults.

    These same kids may enjoy fishing too (some of them get outside...) but very few have aspirations of becoming commercial fishermen. Somehow they know that's a very rough job that's not for most people.

    *Anybody* considering a career really needs to think through the work/life balance and pay, from clerk to physician, and do their research. Somehow I don't think most gamers ever do that when they decide to go to school to be a game dev.

    I've told a few high-schoolers about EA Widows and they were really surprised to hear it.

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    1. Re:Fishing by King_TJ · · Score: 2

      Yep! Very true!

      I think a lot of kids don't realize how different a skill-set is required to write good code vs becoming a good gamer. They just really enjoy playing their favorite video games and think it would be cool to have their name on the credits as someone who actually made one of them.

      Honestly, video games have become such large productions these days, I suspect they're more like creating Hollywood movies than anything else. If you're a really good artist and can draw the kinds of creatures, characters and backgrounds a game needs, you might be more employable doing that than just being a coder? Same thing for someone good at composing soundtracks for a game title, or someone good at doing voice-overs.

      As many people are pointing out here? Most titles today are using off the shelf engines to handle the bulk of the grunt work, so making unique games is more about filling in that audio and visual content than coding the skeleton.

  7. Re: Need an UNION BAD!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    But that's like ~SocIALisM~ bruh, we'll all slip down a slope where innovation stops and every video game is basically the same.... oh wait.

  8. An industry that preys on the naive by chispito · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I always give younger people starting out their careers the same general advice that I was given and subsequently failed to heed as early as I should have: Find something you are good at and seek a job in whatever industry needs that skillset and will allow you to develop it further. Basically, I try to tell them to keep their "passion" for a particular cause or industry at bay, and develop their skills and resume instead. This is for two reasons.

    1) You aren't going to become CEO of Sustainable Tech Incorporated because you loved what they stood for so much you took a job in the mail room. Sorry, it just isn't going to happen.
    And, 2) You will learn to appreciate the benefit that different industries provide, and how just being good at something helps out your coworkers and customers.

    The video games industry is notorious for running sweat shops that prey on the young and naive, people who would do better to find a steady, "boring" gig with a 401k and reasonable chances for advancement. Maybe something union, if that floats your boat.

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  9. Solo Programming by Tempest_2084 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My interest ended when it was no longer possible for a single programmer (or a very small group) to make games anymore. When I was a kid growing up with my Atari 400 and Apple II I dreamed of possibly being able to come up with a new game idea, programming it, and getting it published somewhere. However by the time I was in college and getting my computer science degree I realized that those days were long over and games were far too complex to make by yourself. Not to mention the whole industry had changed drastically by that time becoming the meat grinder it is today.

    Personally I don't know why anyone would want to make games for a living anymore. Even if you don't mind the grueling hours, crappy management, and relatively low pay, it sucks the fun out of what you used to enjoy.

    1. Re:Solo Programming by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why do you think it's now impossible to make games with a small group or solo dev? In fact, I'm a solo dev doing that right now, and there are plenty of other examples. Obviously, you can't expect to create a game that competes with AAA stuff, but there are plenty of game types that are well within reach of a single developer. Modern tools and language improvements allow you to be vastly more productive and do much, much more than you ever could back in the Apple II days (my first computer too).

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    2. Re:Solo Programming by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My interest ended when it was no longer possible for a single programmer (or a very small group) to make games anymore. When I was a kid growing up with my Atari 400 and Apple II I dreamed of possibly being able to come up with a new game idea, programming it, and getting it published somewhere. However by the time I was in college and getting my computer science degree I realized that those days were long over and games were far too complex to make by yourself. Not to mention the whole industry had changed drastically by that time becoming the meat grinder it is today.

      Personally I don't know why anyone would want to make games for a living anymore. Even if you don't mind the grueling hours, crappy management, and relatively low pay, it sucks the fun out of what you used to enjoy.

      Sure you can; there are still games out there written by small groups or individuals. Some even sell astonishingly well. The trick is, you're going to have to stay motivated and have a day job in the beginning. It takes a lot longer to write a game by yourself than when you have room(s) full of developers. You're not going to compete with the big guys in graphics, effects, or music.

      The trick to being a small operation is being creative. You've got to write a game, or reimagine a genre in a way that hasn't been done before, and is still fun. You've got to embrase quirky graphics, go pixel or 8 bit if you have to- embrase it! You're probably not going to write a good FPS that can compete with the big guys- so think of something different, something more unique.

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    3. Re:Solo Programming by lance_of_the_apes · · Score: 3, Informative

      After many years of game industry experience as a cog in the machine, I am now also a solo developer. I went to an indie meetup not that long ago and came across a guy even older than me. He was talking about how "easy it is" to make games nowadays. It is certainly true that there are more opportunities than ever; that free engines, resources, tutorials, and publishing platforms are plentiful. Back in "our day," those things hardly existed or not at all. Of course, he's mostly right.

      However, it is also true that there is more competition than ever because of how much easier it is, at least to get started. Expectations have also gone up drastically. Still, I'd like to think that there is still room for innovation and a small, dedicated studio can enjoy success, even in this overcrowded market. Cheers, and good luck to you!

  10. Supply and Demand by hedge00 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When the hiring manager has starry-eyed young hopefuls lined up out the door and around the block, who view a game developer job as the culmination of their lifelong dream, of course working condition will be shit. Because you're all easily replaceable. So you put in unpaid overtime during crunch time and get laid off after the product ships. Contrast this to someone who does non-glorified skilled work and has a reliable job and decent work/life balance.

  11. For testers it's even worse by Higaran · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Game testers are treated even more like garbage, often they are employed by a separate company, and crammed into the basement for minimum wage.

  12. Not just the gaming industry by foeclan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This really isn't specific to the gaming industry.

    My first job (printer company) I lost because we were acquired and they wanted to cull the herd.
    My second job (storage company) I lost because we outsourced everything.
    My third job (HPC company) I lost because our CEO was an idiot and ran the company into the ground.
    My fourth job (storage company) I lost because we bought our biggest competitor, put them in charge of my division, and then strangely we took the brunt of the cuts.

    experienced programmers at the richest studios can make six figures
    Experienced programmers pretty much anywhere should be making six figures. If they're not, they're probably being taken advantage of.

  13. Nothing New by alvinrod · · Score: 2

    This is hardly a new problem or something that people haven't been aware of for decades. The EA Spouse blog is almost 15 years old at this point and its the same story.

    With the rise of Steam and in a broader sense digital distribution itself, there's no reason you can't make your own game. Minecraft became one of the biggest and most successful games of all times. More recently, Stardew Valley has sold millions of copies, and it too was made by an independent developer. You can even make big 3D games thanks to things like Kickstarter. Kingdom Come Deliverance raised money through crowdfunding and produced a title that's similar in scope to an Elder Scrolls games, so you're hardly limited to just 2D sprite graphics. I think Star Citizen raised more than any other Kickstarter project ever.

    So if you think working for the man sucks, then quit and start your own company, make your own game, and be the one to reap the rewards of your own effort.

  14. Six Figures? BFD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In order to have a middle class life - support a family of four ( own a house, own a car, health insurance (and dental & vision), retirement savings), all on a single income requires a six figure salary in most places in the USA.

    My grandfather did all that ( a family of seven!) on a BLUE COLLAR pay check - and all he had was a ninth grade education.

    What's different? Aside from the fact that there were more opportunities back then and that about 10% of people went to college (and college was much cheaper back then), he was in a union.
    The union made sure people got training, acted as a buffer for technology changes, and made sure management didn't abuse the workers too much. I'm not saying it was perfect but it was better than today.

    Back then, they had stakeholder capitalism. Everyone - investors, workers, local residents (government) - had a say in the company.
    Now it's all investors' interests and everyone else can go screw. Wealth rules - everyone else drools.

    Miner wants to destroy the local environment and pollute the drinking water and destroy the fisheries downstream?
    It's all good. Pretest and then you hate: jobs, capitalism, and America! Tough shit if the residents of that mining town have to drink bottled tap water out of plastic bottles.

    Stakeholder capitalism = good.
    Shareholder capitalism = evil.

  15. Suckers! by EllisDees · · Score: 2

    Working long hours for a company that doesn't give a shit about you is strictly for suckers. Get in at 8:30, leave at 5:30, take an hour for lunch. Go home and enjoy the money you make. Encourage everyone else to do the same. You will be fine.

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  16. That is also true of the game industry by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    It _can_ be part of massive companies, but there's plenty of companies people actually like working for.

    But that is equally true of companies that make video games - some can be great to work for.

    It's kind of absurd to claim video game jobs are bad, when what we are all rather obviously saying is "working under EA is bad". Why not just say that rather than trying to mislead someone who may want to develop games for a living?

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    1. Re:That is also true of the game industry by lgw · · Score: 2

      As a sector, video game development is bad. It's not just EA. It's not just Blizzard. It's not just Ubisoft. It's every large game company. Of course, you can start your own games company, but then you'll find your boss is really demanding.

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  17. Re:No shit. by Bert64 · · Score: 2

    Exactly, if a few people start letting the companies exploit them like that then the companies will start to perceive it as normal and expected.

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  18. Avoid AAA games by Berkyjay · · Score: 2

    This is why I only play indy games these days. I get more fun out of Rimworld, Cataclysm, & Dwarf Fortress as I ever did out of any of the AAA games spewed out these days.

  19. Re:Six Figures? BFD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Grandfather had a 1200 sqft house.
    1 car
    B/W TV or no TV
    Radio

    You can EASILY do that on min wage or slightly more in most of US. What you are bitching about is big screen TV, Netflix, Hulu, 3 cars, going out drinking multiple times a week, multiple cell phones, and on and on.

    Compare apples to apples. You don't need a 3000 sqft house otherwise you DO need six figure.

  20. Re:subject by Frobnicator · · Score: 2

    Not all game developers are game programmers. Artists, animators, designers, audio engineers, they're all game developers, too. Many statistics that talk about game developers could be better broken out by discipline. Programmers are the highest paid of all the game development disciplines, and at senior levels they're comparable to other fields. I don't mean the trend of "senior" being applied to someone with three years experience, I'm referring to people with a decade or more of work experience working at established companies.

    At the junior levels --- where there is more supply than demand and many young eager applicants are willing to work for exploitative companies --- programmers are often paid less than similar industries. There are many bad companies who churn-and-burn. This means a large number of junior developers have bad experiences because those abusive companies churn through so many.

    At senior levels --- where demand is greater than supply and workers are generally savvy enough to not be exploited by the abusive companies --- pay rates are good. They're not investment banker or well funded Internet Startup good, but on par with programmers in many other industries.

    The good companies that pay well also tend to grow slowly and have low turnover, meaning people are secure in their higher paying jobs, but the openings are less common (because of the low turnover) so they are less visible.

    The "six figures" comments others are making are location specific and misleading. $100K in Silicon Valley is not a living wage. $100K in Des Moines is high. £100K in Yorkshire is an amazing rate.

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  21. Not naive, just recent graduates by Slugster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some years back there used to be a (US?) print magazine titled "Game Developer Magazine". It existed from 1994 to 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    I read it at the time because of a general interest in programming and computer games. I didn't ever really expect to get a job doing it. And reading that magazine didn't really change that expectation...

    There was basically about three kinds of articles they generally had:
    --One was about new game hardware, software or related tech coming soon.
    --One was called "Post Mortem" where after a game was released, they would have a manager talk about all the major problems they had along the way.
    --The last was general management articles about running computer game production.

    From reading this magazine occasionally for a couple years I gathered two things:
    1. Many people who got hired to code were recent college grads in LA or Austin TX, who really just took the job to put something on their resumes. The lower coding jobs were low salary and long hours with little benefits, and they left as soon as they found anything better.

    2. There were constant problems with employee turnover. Many articles were about how to set up content management systems so that it was as easy as possible to get new people up to speed and working productively.


    I often wondered who the target audience for this magazine really was. From reading it, working at a game company really didn't sound like much of a dream job.

    1. Re:Not naive, just recent graduates by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ex professional game dev here. I was formally in the industry from 1995 to 2011. I give dev & design advice and do indie games on the side now.

      Those articles were written by and for us professionals in the industry. Working at one company it was hard to see that everyone else had the same set of problems. GD Mag brought awareness:

      - Securing funding
      - Management setting unrealistic schedules
      - Publishers setting artificial deadlines
      - Not taking responsibility for burning people out
      - Extremely high turn over due to kids thinking game development was easy
      - Managing technical risk
      - Managing innovation vs what worked last year
      - Managing technical debt
      - Managing scope
      - Managing people
      - Managing business relationships
      - How to share knowledge
      - Create an engine vs buying off the shelf
      - What is fun?
      - What makes a good game good? What makes a bad game bad
      - What are today's and tomorrow art challenges?
      - What is a good, flexible, scalable pipeline?
      - How to avoid crunch time? How to manage crunch time?
      - Audio design
      - Animation tricks
      - Technical tricks
      - Applied higher level Mathematics
      - etc.

      I worked at several game development studios. While I started just out college almost all were dream jobs. I had the opportunity to learn tons about programming and about the game industry. I was extremely lucky. The industry is definitely volatile -- few smaller studios folded while I was working for them or shortly after I left. I only had to crunch a few times. Inspire of all the negatives about the industry it was a great opportunity to learn many things that just can't really be learnt any other way. You don't really understand something until you learn how NOT to do it.

      I know people got burnt out, got taken advantage of, were exploited, and it sucks. A few companies actually cared about doing things right and treating people with respect. Don't judge an entire industry just because the majority cared about making money. Many, many people were in the industry because they were passionate about making games and entertaining people. Some just wanted the paycheck.

      I wouldn't trade my experiences for anything.

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  22. No dream job by c++horde · · Score: 2

    I spent over 13 years in Game Development, with Paradigm Entertainment, Ensemble Studios, Microsoft then my own company. Looking back, it was a terrible career decision. It was non-stop death marches, many co-workers had ridiculous egos, by the time you shipped, you hated the game. I should write a book. I would not recommend anyone game development as a career to anyone. The budgets required for a triple A title can only be financed by corporations, and they expect you to live at work. It is a lifestyle. If you do go into game development, go to work for Microsoft so there is lateral mobility.

  23. As a game developer by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Okay, put aside things like EA Widows and excessive overtime and layoffs. Take those things off the table entirely and ask the question: is game development a dream job?

    Answer (unsurprisingly): no. It's a job. It's a job with slightly different parameters than normal programming, but I've been doing this for over 15 years, and I use the same tools most other programmers do (emacs, Visual Studio, a PC) and I work on teams with other programmers, I have to live with the decisions of managers that I disagree with, etc. Particularly as a developer of AAA games, it's not much different than when I worked at an oil company. A lot of the development is not very interesting. It's just code, man. Occasionally you get to scratch a creative itch, but most of the time it's just the same programming that you do anywhere else. (Except, usually, the pay is worse.)

    There are some things that are better about the games industry than other industries. You might actually have fans of your work, people will find out about a game you made and express some joy they had in playing it. People are always interested in your job, and you get to mingle with artists and animators and writers.

    But don't come to this industry expecting like it's not work just because the end product is entertainment. Think about what it really means to have a 'dream job'. You probably won't change the world here, or get rich, or become influential. If you're lucky, you'll work on a decent project with decent people, get paid passably well and make something that other people find entertaining or useful. Just like any other job.