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Is the Golden Age of YouTube Over? (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Verge: As YouTube battles misinformation catastrophes and discovers new ways people are abusing its system, the company is shifting toward more commercial, advertiser-friendly content at a speed its creator community hasn't seen before. The golden age of YouTube -- the YouTube of a million different creators all making enough money to support themselves by creating videos about doing what they love -- is over... By the end of 2016, when algorithm changes were creating headaches for some of the platform's biggest creators, people started announcing they had to take a break from the site they called home. YouTube wasn't what it was between 2011 and 2016... YouTube was exerting more control over what users saw and what videos would make money...

YouTube faced an escalating crisis of radicalization and sweeping conspiracy theories that had been ignored by executives for years. The company's first small efforts to address these serious issues -- promoting content from musicians, late-night shows, and recommending fewer independent creators -- would have huge secondary effects on the middle-tier creators who had once been the heart of the platform during its golden period. It pushed YouTube toward the exact same Hollywood content to which it had once been an alternative.... Even people outside of YouTube saw what was happening. "YouTube is inevitably heading towards being like television, but they never told their creators this," Jamie Cohen, a professor of new media at Molloy College, told USA Today in 2018....

Individual YouTube creators couldn't keep up with the pace YouTube's algorithm set. But traditional, mainstream outlets could: late-night shows began to dominate YouTube, along with music videos from major labels. The platform now looked the way it had when it started, but with the stamp of Hollywood approval.

It's a contrast from the earliest days of YouTube, the article argues. Rather than user-generated content, "it was something else that helped the site explode in popularity: piracy." But their pivot to user-generated content apparently slowed with what YouTube creators call the "adpocalypse" -- YouTube's aggressive demonetization of "problematic" videos. (A handful of creators had been making more than a million dollars a month, and some even quit their jobs to focus on making videos full-time.)

To be fair, by 2017 YouTube had a problem. Every minute users uploaded 27,000 minutes of new footage, making it difficult to pre-screen. But after adjusting their algorithm, "perceived, secretive changes instilled creators with a distrust of the platform."

The old YouTube "seemed to welcome the wonderfully weird, innovative, and earnest, instead of turning them away in favor of late-night show clips and music videos," writes the Verge. But the new YouTube is different, say two brothers who used CGI to re-create Mortal Kombat's most gruesome kills on their RackaRacka channel. They say the new YouTube now buries their videos for "excessive violence."

256 comments

  1. It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Double ads to watch anything and a "recommended" section full of crypto-fascist garbage, yeah, it's fucking over!

    1. Re: It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And tell me when was the last time YOU gave $73 dollars to the local food bank?

    2. Re:It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what YouTube creators call the "adpocalypse" -- YouTube's aggressive demonetization of "problematic" videos.

      If a video is deemed to be "problematic" then remove it, don't just "demonetize" it.

      Oh wait . . . if YouTube demonetizes you, it just means that YOU don't make any money, but THEY still do.

      Which is why YouTube will never be serious about removing "problematic" videos.

    3. Re:It's BEEN over... by Local+ID10T · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The "Golden Age of YouTube" died when people discovered that they could make money posting videos.

      Once people started making money on their videos instead of doing it as a hobby (read: income vs expense) it became dominated by entitled shits who felt that they were owed something. Sensationalism became the norm, and outrage the response... advertisers reacted to protect their image, and the heavy hand of control slammed down -and the entitled shits whined about how they were owed a living for their efforts.

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    4. Re:It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Crypto-fascist" a.k.a. "I'm desperate to call this guy a racist fascist everything-else-ist turbohitler so I can summarily dismiss all his opinions on everything without engaging with them, but even the voices in my head can't figure out how to make a coherent argument for that without resorting to telepathy."

    5. Re: It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So much for that. Amirite? Nanananana

    6. Re: It's BEEN over... by illiac_1962 · · Score: 1

      It peaked five or six years ago. Since then it has been nothing but disappointment.

    7. Re:It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its not just that
      first of all fuck your "problematic" statement. you're problematic.its an easy statement that means nothing and used by actual totalitarians.

      the issue is that YT will demonetize videos that "you" do not like but aren't illegal, and usually aren't even offensive. these are your "problematic videos". this includes pewdiepie for example.
      if YT would delete these there would be a huge backslash and the platform would be deserted over a few years. demonitizing ensure this does not happen. its the slow death of user generated channels, without much backslash.

    8. Re:It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tell me how thats different from cable television, other than on cable you do not have a real choice of what you can watch.
      if you dont like a YT channel you dont watch it and they dont make money.

    9. Re:It's BEEN over... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That wasn't even the problem. People have created great content and continued to do so well into the time when they could actually make money from it. What killed it was that people with high production values can't continue due to the risk of demonetization while those without (i.e. the "10 things that will blow your mind" bull and the assholes that get most of their money from the companies whose products they hawk anyway) can.

      So what's left on Youtube is videos from large studios that have a relevant deal with YouTube, videos without production values whose makers don't give a shit that they get demonetized because they can crank out more and if only one of them makes money they're in the black and videos that are more advertisment than the crap YouTube cuts into them.

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    10. Re:It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are a fucking spammer just using your zero value outrage lure here

    11. Re:It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol.. what's the matter? you were exposed to something other than marx? or were they real nazis? Well if it was the latter, you can blame yourself because if youtube recommended it, it's because you've been watching that kind of content.

      Bunch of crybabies.. if you don't like what you're seeing, turn it off.

    12. Re:It's BEEN over... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I never get crypto-fascist garbage recommendations. Maybe Google has built a profile on you that includes a desire to (hate) watch them? Or someone in your household's desire (since it groups by IP address as well.)

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    13. Re:It's BEEN over... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Who has high production values and risks getting banned though?

      The only ones getting banned are the smaller channels or the ones where it's just some dude talking into a cheap microphone. Once you get big YouTube has actual humans who talk to you and get stuff sorted out.

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    14. Re:It's BEEN over... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sensationalism became the norm, and outrage the response

      Kind of exactly what happened to the History channel and similar channels, that moved from documentaries and educational content to Pawn Stars and Storage Wars. And just like on TV, there is plenty of good stuff on YT as well, sensationalist rubbish notwithstanding, and it isn't always the rubbish that is most popular either

      Why would you use ugly word like word "entitled"? It seems only fair that popular content creators get paid part of the advertising dollars they helped generate. If a TV network decided not to pay the creators of a TV show for a certain "controversial" episode after airing it, and as a result the writers, actors, sound guys, stage hands and everyone else on that show would go unpaid for their work as a result, would you call them "entitled whiners" as well? Especially if the network continues to air that episode in reruns?

      Advertisers are always moaning about their precious image, and are always pushing to exert control over the content shown around their ads. Google could have just told them to advertise on YT on Google's terms, or kindly leave. And while they might have lost a few advertisers who are genuinely concerned about portraying a "family friendly" image, the bulk of them would think twice before abandoning such a rich treasure trove of eyeballs. Unless there's a good alternative, which there isn't; YT is the undisputed king in this space. Instead, Google decided to open this particular can of worms, and they will now have to deal with ever stricter norms from advertisers to clean up the channels. And the more YT turns into a regular TV channel, the more viewers and content creators alike will turn away. Maybe we'll soon see some competition in this space...

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    15. Re:It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm totally fine with the direction YouTube is going. And no, it's not going Hollywood only. That's a disingenuous exaggeration.

      If a channel is good and worth paying for, they won't have any problem getting funding through Patreon. You could also run a "clean" channel and monetise your videos. It's like people have lost all sense of creativity and imagination and think the only entertaining things must be violent, sexual or obscene.

    16. Re:It's BEEN over... by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Huh? Youtube has ads?

    17. Re:It's BEEN over... by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I have to disagree, well that is providing you stay away from the "top" Youtube channels. Minor monetisation keeps people going in their weird hobby, and for others provided a commercial platform that's accessible to all and not geoblocked to a specific TV station.

      The reality is that there's only so many dumb home videos people can take. Some people actually like commercial content such as the video arm of review magazines, or instructional videos on commercial products. Your old youtube is still there to be enjoyed. It's just needs to be found in different ways.

    18. Re:It's BEEN over... by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      The "Golden Age of YouTube" died when people discovered that they could make money posting videos.

      Once people started making money on their videos instead of doing it as a hobby (read: income vs expense) it became dominated by entitled shits who felt that they were owed something. Sensationalism became the norm, and outrage the response... advertisers reacted to protect their image, and the heavy hand of control slammed down -and the entitled shits whined about how they were owed a living for their efforts.

      I think the same applies to the Golden Age of Internet in general. People were happy to have free hosting for their content, perhaps using it to promote gigs that made them money elsewhere. (My most viewed Youtube video is a trailer for our last theatre piece.)

      Any recommendations for a Youtube alternative that doesn't suffer from these issues? I don't mind some ads if it means free hosting. I also understand there should be some control over the content, but I'm not too worried about that with my math art.

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    19. Re:It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eau contrario bitchboi. UTUB helps the yeoman fascist right by displaying ghetto nibbers and wettbakkks in battles at fast-food outlets. Watch those ratchets howl and pull hair and swing-for-the-fences babyboo woo-hoo ! Just like baboons battle for bananas in BwandaBwandasland! Savages really, those displaced Homo Ergasters ... and to see the street battles opens eyes of many WHITE bleeding heart lib'ruls . UTUB have ben veby veby gob two me.

    20. Re: It's BEEN over... by tsa · · Score: 1

      I have once by accident clicked on one of those âextremeâ(TM) videos, realized my mistake after 10 seconds or so and then found my list of recommended videos full of similar garbage. Amazing. Luckily the stream of recommendations in that âgenreâ(TM) died out quickly because I never clicked on any of them. Nowadays I enjoy Youtube again as my source of funny nonsense videos and videos of mundane things that interest me like cars and fountain pens

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    21. Re: It's BEEN over... by tsa · · Score: 1

      I hardly ever see ads on YT. I probably watch channels that are not so interesting for advertizers.

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    22. Re:It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I haven't seen any difference really in the recommended videos for the past year, which contradicts the opinion of the article, your comment essentially says it's been over a for a long time, not just now. I'm sure that any user created content that competes with major company content will be subject to a lot of ridicule as the major companies try to gin up controversy and grab non-controversial ad dollars.

    23. Re:It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As a private company they could do that. As a public company they can't talk down their advertisers. They would risk a shareholder lawsuit.

    24. Re:It's BEEN over... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      They don't have to talk them down. If refusing to pander to advertisers would open them up to shareholder lawsuits, so would pushing their biggest earners off the site and letting viewership (and with it ad revenue) dwindle. In other words, they are free to follow their strategy for the site as long as it does not obviously harm long term revenue (which it doesn't in either case)

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    25. Re: It's BEEN over... by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Back then people had small channels with relatively low production value. Few videos / channels were banned, and related/ recommended videos were actually something I wanted, not just clickbait.

      Now everything is trying to be overproduced with an intro, and the mandatory "Don't forget to like, comment, subscribe, hit the notification bell, send money on Patreon, follow us on Twitter and Instagram", with content-less clickbait as the "recommended" videos.

      Everyone is trying to make a god-damn job out of being a celebrity, instead of just showing rough-around-the-edges videos of what they're working on in the garage.

    26. Re: It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'm getting fascist garbage like Young Turks too!

    27. Re:It's BEEN over... by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 1

      That's why I use the YouTube plug-in for Kodi. NEVER seen an ad using that bit of code and I watch *lots* of YT vids.

    28. Re: It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based stroke poster. You might wanna get some help though bro.

    29. Re:It's BEEN over... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      There are quite a few channels with about 100k, maybe 300k subscribers that do produce decent quality that are far from being save from demonetization (quite the opposite).

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    30. Re:It's BEEN over... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Maybe we just need to think about alternative funding models that don't involve advertising, or at least allow people to connect with advertisers who don't worry too much about the content. Because the simple truth is that you can't force advertisers to pay you if they don't want to.

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    31. Re: It's BEEN over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly!!!
      I'm still flabbergasted every time I watch a YouTube video on somebody else's device and it's full ads.
      I guess they haven't heard about uBlock Origin (greatest browser plugin ever)

    32. Re:It's BEEN over... by houghi · · Score: 1

      I am subscribed to around 200 channels. Each 6 months or so, I drop a few and add a few. The amount stays the same.

      The thing that is hard to do nowadays is to find what you are looking for. You can not count on the recomendation that are given by YouTube. You can not search for it, because it will promote even more bullshit than the recomendations.

      What I do is look at what channels the people are subscribed to and hope I might somehow stuble on something I might be willing to watch.

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    33. Re:It's BEEN over... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's what Patreon and similar services are for. Pay for the content you enjoy. I can very well support such a system.

      Of course that means that I have exactly zero problems with my consciousness anymore when using an adblocker for YouTube.

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    34. Re:It's BEEN over... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately Pateron also has some minimal moral fortitude and will ban Nazis etc. from their platform too. Bitcoin maybe?

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    35. Re:It's BEEN over... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Patreon works for me, so I stopped looking...

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  2. Google's Slogans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1998: Don't be evil.
    2008: Good and evil are highly subjective.
    2014: We make robots for the government.
    2019: We do not merely destroy our enemies; we change them.

    Captcha: chained

    1. Re: Google's Slogans by jdawgnoonan · · Score: 1

      Amen mofo.

    2. Re:Google's Slogans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.

      And sometimes that new shape identifies as a 60 foot tall futa dragon.

    3. Re:Google's Slogans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And sometimes that new shape identifies as a 60 foot tall futa dragon.

      Oh no!

      Ze just boned Tokyo!

      Oh no Fu-Zilla!

      Sorry, couldn't resist.

      https://youtu.be/RTzb-sduiWc

  3. Impossible to monetise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's impossible to even get monitisation.

    I wanted to start a mountaineering channel but you need a huge number of subscribers and videos to even begin. No way I'm going to spend a year of my life making trash videos for the small chance to qualify making a tiny amount of money.

    1. Re:Impossible to monetise by taiwanjohn · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah, they keep moving the goalposts just when I get to the 5-yard line. I had just gotten monetized a couple of years ago, and had racked up a whole 43 cents in revenue, when they changed the rules so you needed 10k views. Some time later, just as I was getting close to 10k views, they changed it again, so now you need 1000 subscribers (I currently have 76). Meanwhile, my analytics page still shows that 43 cents of revenue... along with 28k views and 5k hours of view time.

      I'll keep working on it for now, but if they screw me over again I might have to bail out.

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    2. Re: Impossible to monetise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      28k views might in the best case be $50 or $75. Youtube does not care if you are on the platform or not. And other than 76 people, nobody else does either.

    3. Re:Impossible to monetise by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 4, Funny

      and had racked up a whole 43 cents in revenue,

      You're doing it completely wrong. I comment on Google Maps (I'm a level-7 something) and they actually sent me a FREE pair of physical socks!

      Sorry dude, I'm WAY ahead of you.

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    4. Re:Impossible to monetise by ezdiy · · Score: 1

      The goalpost seems pretty reasonable to me, it's probably in there only to prevent spam, so the thresholds are adjusted to spam levels. I get monetization offered almost all the time (8 years old channel), and all I do is just upload random crap and low effort clips/amv edits/obscure playthrough caps every few months.

      Never took google on the offer because the numbers (something like 100k views a year?) are miniscule for it to make any sense and annoy people with ads.

      The way people get "youtube career" is when some random crap on their channel suddenly explodes, and they seize the opportunity to entertain the audience. Channels where people "work on it" from the start seem comparably rare.

    5. Re:Impossible to monetise by taiwanjohn · · Score: 2

      LOL, yup... "random crap" is a pretty fair description of the 19 (I just counted them) videos I've uploaded in the last seven years. What I should have said was that I'm still going to put some actual work into it one of these days... ;-)

      That said, I agree with your assessment for the most part. But I figure if I can get four times as many subscribers as videos on my channel without even trying, it might be worth putting a little effort into it, and see what happens.

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    6. Re:Impossible to monetise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've been pulling this shit with adsense for decades now. I highly doubt that Google actually pays anyone who carries their ads. I suspect anyone who says they have been paid are employees of Google, paid to say that. Would not surprise me at all. It's a brilliant scam.

    7. Re:Impossible to monetise by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      if they screw me over again I might have to bail out.

      In the story you tell, you never get screwed over. You just don't understand the challenges of a small business, and you have unrealistic expectations about the world staying the same from one week to the next.

      In your case, you didn't make a bunch of money and turn into an entitled shit; you merely dreamed of making a bunch of money, and that was enough for you to become an entitled shit.

    8. Re:Impossible to monetise by taiwanjohn · · Score: 2

      You just don't understand the challenges of a small business

      Sorry if my imprecise use of language led you to believe I was trying to run a "small business" on my YouTube channel. If it helps, feel free to substitute the phrase "screw over" with any of the following: vex; miff; annoy; frustrate; or bebother.

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    9. Re:Impossible to monetise by religionofpeas · · Score: 5, Funny

      they actually sent me a FREE pair of physical socks!

      They gave you clothing. You are now a free elf.

    10. Re: Impossible to monetise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. I highly doubt that all these supposedly-famous "Youtubers" have any real fanbase at all. It's just Big Brother Google trying to shove degenerate garbage down people's throats. Part of their culture war against the working class.

    11. Re:Impossible to monetise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My channel has over 200 million views and over 100k subscribers and they demonetized us at the end of last year, citing that our videos were repetitious and not educational. We appealed and were denied. Yeah, its over for average Joe's.

    12. Re:Impossible to monetise by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Are you in it for the money? You said in another comment you uploaded 18 videos over 7 years, most of "random crap", so it sounds like you are just doing it for fun, not for profit.

      It would be nice if YouTube paid you for that, but would you really give up this hobby if they didn't? And is a few bucks really what people need to upload a few hobby videos to YouTube?

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    13. Re:Impossible to monetise by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I'll keep working on it for now, but if they screw me over again

      They aren't screwing you over. You're behind the ball game in the most general sense while competing against others. It's no different than your rent raising faster than your income. That's not you being screwed over, that's you not keeping up with the demand being generated, and if you stay on the same trajectory then you won't ever get ahead.

      Life is not a game with fixed goalposts.

    14. Re:Impossible to monetise by taiwanjohn · · Score: 1

      I was never in it for the money before, but I'd like to at least have that option. In particular, I was PO'd because they took away something I already had. Originally, anyone could get monetized, but they wouldn't start paying out until you earned your first $100. I had just barely gotten started down that path when they pulled the rug out. If I'd applied a few months earlier, I might have gotten grandfathered-in before they changed the rules.

      In the long run it doesn't matter that much. If I ever hope to earn much of anything from YouTube, I'll need way more than 1k subscribers anyway. It's just the principle that's annoying... they're putting up unnecessary hurdles. From their POV, they might argue that it's too much hassle to keep track of all those 43-cent accounts. To which my reply would be: "Yeah, you'd probably need a computer to keep track of all that."

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    15. Re:Impossible to monetise by Cederic · · Score: 1

      28k views isn't terribly many. I've had 20k in the last month, 375k lifetime.

      I consciously chose not to monetise, although the 1000 subscribers requirement would prevent me anyway. My audience isn't the type to subscribe.

    16. Re:Impossible to monetise by Cederic · · Score: 1

      That's kind of weird. Being repetitious and non-educational doesn't mean that your content lacks an audience, and it's the audience that advertisers pay for.

      There may indeed have been a dislike for your content but the reason you cited is demonstrably bollocks.

      Not that you can do much about it. Tried bitchute?

    17. Re:Impossible to monetise by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I'll keep working on it for now, but if they screw me over again I might have to bail out.

      I don't get it. Before they moved the goal posts on monteization, you racked up 43 cents in 2 years. It sounds like you're in it for the fun of making videos not the money so why do you care if they move the monetisation goalposts?

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    18. Re:Impossible to monetise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ZOMG! So you need huge number of watchers to get decent income! This must be news to all you millennials. Did you actually believe Youtube is some kind of money making automate which will fill your bank account the minute you upload some garbage there? Don't the advertisements need actual views before even Google will get paid?

    19. Re:Impossible to monetise by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 1

      YouTube shot itself in the foot. I've had a YouTube account for *many* years and was one of the very first YT Channel Partners (ie: monetized my vids). Here is the timeline:

      1. YouTube starts -- no ads, virtually no censorship
      2. YouTube sold to Google
      3. YouTube fixes some stuff but in the process, breaks a lot more
      4. YouTube introduces "Channel Partners" who can monetize their vids and thus ads start appearing on a very few videos.

      It is worth noting that at this stage it was *very* difficult to qualify for monetization. Although there was no minimum subcriber or view count, you did have to be creating reasonable quality content on a pretty regular basis. As a result there were probably only a few tens of thousands of "monetized" channels and YouTube was, as a result, still largely ad-free. Also, because there were so few monetized channels, ad-rates were pretty damned high so those who did get "Channel Partner" status were able to earn a reasonable amount of money for their efforts.

      5. YouTube realised that there was a growing demand for ads on YT so they decided to let *anyone/everyone* monetize their channels.

      As a result of this move, the laws of supply and demand kicked in -- which meant that the CPM (Cost Per Thousand) for ads fell precipitously. Those hard-working Channel Partners had their income severely reduced by the sudden abundance of ad-space. The supply of ad-space now exceeded the demand so ads sold for a song and in the months/years that followed, quite a few formerly active channels withered as their creators had to go back to getting a day-job to pay the bills.

      In short, YouTube/Google got greedy. Previously they were selling what was effectively premium advertising on channels which had been carefully hand-selected for monetization. This selection process ensured that the content was of sufficient quality and met community standards. When they opened the doors to let everyone monetize, they devalued the ads and lost control of the content against which they were shown.

      6. Someone noticed that brand-name advertisers were appearing alongside rather unsavory content. -- enter the first adpocalypse!

      A very sizeable chunk of brand-name advertising revenue dried up overnight, as big names pulled their ads from YouTube for fear of appearing alongside terror videos, violence or other content with which they did not want to be associated. This meant a further hit in the pocket for those of us who had committed to becoming full-time YouTube content creators. The result was more really good channels disappearing or going quiet.

      7. YouTube's response to the adpocalypse was to fire up some AI to try and determine whether uploaded videos were suitable for monetization.

      Epic fail. Many channels had huge swathes of their back-catalog demonetized and some genres of content (such as firearms videos) were finding that videos had been demonetized before they'd even been published on the platform. Once again, legit, hard-working content creators were now paying the price for YouTube's greed.

      8. YouTube decided that most of the problem channels (from an undesirable content perspective) were small ones -- so they totally removed monetization from those which did not meet a minimum viewcount and subscriber-count threshold.

      Suddenly, YouTube was headed back to the old days of fewer (but higher quality) channels carrying ads -- except they had still lost the confidence of those big-dollar advertisers.

      9. In an attempt to get back some of those advertisers, YouTube began some more AI silliness by turning off comments on videos featuring kids, effectively stigmatizing many completely wholesome family channels.

      In short... YouTube had a really good thing going but they got greedy and, ever since, have been paying the price for that. Now if Google/YouTube was the only one affected by the fallout from that greed then I wouldn't give a toss... but they're not. With YouTube's encouragement, a lot of people have given up th

    20. Re:Impossible to monetise by yuriklastalov · · Score: 1

      That's what Patreon and the like are for. Ad money is a fucking meme, people hear about giant sites raking in ad revenue and don't think about the huge number of impressions these places generate. Most creators on YouTube are making their money with Patreon, GoFundMe, and other crowd funding services. SuperChats are another huge revenue source, and with the YouTube Premiere feature you can rake those in on pre-recorded videos instead of just live streams.

      Quit waiting around for a pittance of ad revenue, get yourself a Patreon and run the e-begging racket.

    21. Re:Impossible to monetise by dryeo · · Score: 1

      No censorship, no ads (unless the video creator included them in their videos), no risk of being shut-down without notice for some faked copyright claims or community standards violations -- in short, the ability to sleep soundly at night without worrying about what YouTube is going to break tomorrow.

      Until the big copyright holders start using that video search engine to find copyright violators and along with the big ISP's, start blocking you.
      Both big content and big ISP, who are often the same today, don't want you hosting content and competing or using bandwidth.
      It's ideas like yours that make net neutrality important though copyright is always going to trump net neutrality.

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    22. Re: Impossible to monetise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait until YT becomes a full on game of Calvinball. Good luck trying to make any money then.

      You would be far better off buying scratchers at the Kwik-E-Mart.

  4. what he said. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The old TV channels might "dominate" the trending page, but they aren't really in terms of views pr. video. They do seem to get preferential treatment.
    It is clear that if you want to make it your source of income, actually making a video is just a small part of the whole process. Finding the right time of day to post, figure out the right key words you need to include in your script and of course at least post once pr. week, preferably every day to please the current configuration of the algorithms.
    If you don't post once pr. week, your videos won't get recommended to viewers as much at similar topic videos and when you do post once pr. week, YouTube will recommend your videos on other topics to viewers that has been watching your video on one topic/category.
    It is all very complicated and a lot of work to "break through".
    Also user engagement on one video also seems to improve views on other videos, likes and dislikes work but comments seems to be rated higher value in user engagement.

    But you can still make $2-$3 pr. thousand views if you keep away from "controversial" topics.

    This is all just my own experience from my own little channel. I am certainly not going to make it my job since YouTube likes to change the rules and not tell you what the changes are. At least you need to diversify into other media platforms as well.

  5. The business case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you were getting, say, 10k a month before and then YT changed and you're getting less, then you ought to take a look at the business facts.

    If you can construct a case that you'd get more money off YT than relying on it, then that's what you ought to do when your videos don't appear in the algorithm. They were never under any obligation to passively promote you so you should already have a backup plan for when that ceases to be the case... Right?

    1. Re: The business case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oy vey you have a really funny definition of controversial. I think torture is controversial. I don't think sex is controversial at all, just dot use rude language or actually have sex in front of children. Are simple things like picking up the phone controversial? YouTube has been officially for a very long time

    2. Re: The business case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you reply to the wrong post? I didn't mention controversy at all

    3. Re: The business case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck off ivan your potato is showing

  6. whats a sweeping conspiracy theory?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brooms from planet X are running the central banks?

    1. Re: whats a sweeping conspiracy theory?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sleeper cells in caves on the other side of the planet did it with jet fuel. Duh gubmint sez so and they've never had a conspiracy theory. Sure, hundreds of people get charged with conspiring every day but that doesn't count because they're all guilty.

      Sieg heil the homeland as mandated by law! AE911Truth Org

    2. Re:whats a sweeping conspiracy theory?? by eclectro · · Score: 1

      No. That the Russians colluded with the president.

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    3. Re:whats a sweeping conspiracy theory?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is just a free-range traitor for hire. He will kill Americans, fellate every single dictators and outright worship Putin without making any contracts for payment that would be subject to subpoena.

    4. Re:whats a sweeping conspiracy theory?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the daughter-fucking thing. Weird AF. He needs to stop lying about where his Dad was born also, just wtf? Are you high on designer pills old man? Your doctor is a druggie nut... either of them...

  7. Youtube died with the ads by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

    And the ads and the ads and the ads. Then some more ads. The content has become corporate and did I mention the ads?

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    1. Re: Youtube died with the ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before the ads, YouTube wasn't making any money. So it wasn't really -alive- then so much as on Frankenstein's table trying to be brought to life.

    2. Re:Youtube died with the ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And the ads and the ads and the ads. Then some more ads. The content has become corporate and did I mention the ads?

      I've never seen a youtube ad. Have you tried an adblocker?

    3. Re:Youtube died with the ads by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What ads?

      Just don't watch videos from the assholes that scam kids into thinking they're friends when they're actually just getting paid to promote some crap.

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    4. Re:Youtube died with the ads by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I did, and I guarantee you that I immediately spent the 5 minutes to teach my wife how to view it in the browser on mobile.

    5. Re:Youtube died with the ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    6. Re:Youtube died with the ads by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      1- There are many effective ad-blockers.
      2- If you prefer to stay official, for $12/month, you can get YouTube Premium, which is ad-free.

    7. Re: Youtube died with the ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, tell me what you guys think down in the comment section below!!!!

    8. Re:Youtube died with the ads by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I don't even mind the ones that tell their audience that they get paid for a certain statement. At least they get paid and not YouTube (after demonetizing the video, so they don't have to share with the one doing the actual work).

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  8. nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nope

  9. Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Censorship ruins everything. They should have 2 youtubes. 1 with the robots and filtering and another the classic youtube with like youtube responses, no filtering, no nothing. It'll get there again, once the current moral panic dies down. Hopefully Matt & Trey are right and it's just a few more years.

  10. It was NOT "Golden Age"!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "two brothers who used CGI to re-create Mortal Kombat's most gruesome kills"

    Maybe, common good of general public (especially children/teenagers) really do not need such content???

    Maybe, humanity really needs children who did not grew-up w/ such content, so they are not mentally screwed-up???

    IMHO, whole internet (especially YouTube & FaceBook & Twitter) desperately needs clean-up (always)!!!

    IMHO, internet companies/websites have social responsibility, to protect & serve common good of general public/humanity, whether they like it, or not!!!

    1. Re:It was NOT "Golden Age"!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Score: +0, Are you from China?

    2. Re:It was NOT "Golden Age"!!! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      And who died, made you king and let you dictate what I may or may not see?

      If you want to protect your kids from "seeing stuff", maybe don't use the internet as some cheap babysitter?

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    3. Re:It was NOT "Golden Age"!!! by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      "maybe we don't need" and "we don't have to" are weasel words that are the hallmark of censorship czars. We don't "need" violent videos, but by the same token we do not "need" hate speech, nor do we "need" right-wing conspiracies nor left-wing agitprop. We don't "need" to see any argument between opposing viewpoints at all, nor unsettling images of natural disasters or chemical spills, or anything else at all that might upset the precious snowflakes we have created by "thinking of the children" in everything we do. In fact why show anything on TV at all except videos of kittens?

      The common good? Freedom of speech is one of the most important common goods that we have. Cherish it.

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    4. Re: It was NOT "Golden Age"!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has a point. If you have children and half a brain you would understand. If you don't than you are one of the children.

  11. Of Course It Is Over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everybody whos been paying attention knows this. We just need a replacement now.

    1. Re:Of Course It Is Over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. I have an original video i'd like to share, but youtube no fucking way. Daily motion seems to require google or facebook account, no thanks. Same sort of crap or other intrusive rules on the rest of the few existing services, no thanks.

    2. Re:Of Course It Is Over by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Hosting a single video is trivial. Reaching an audience for it can be achieved.

      Hosting a thousand videos with an audience of millions takes infrastructure. Youtube lets you start small and scale up, and offers network effects to boost your audience.

      There aren't many sites offering that.

    3. Re:Of Course It Is Over by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 1

      Which is why I see the future of user-generated video content being served via "web/video server appliances". A small, cheap, pre-configured SBC that plugs into your broadband modem/router and allows you to serve content up directly. That content would be indexed and curated through a "video search" site that provided the front-end but didn't host any videos and thus needed far less iron and bandwidth than YouTube needs.

      Remember the whole tenet of the internet and networkign in general -- distribute the load!!!

      With Facebook and YT in decline, I think we'll see a return to the days when people hosted their own content rather than relying on a social media giant to do so. This gives you full control and ensures the right to free speech is maintained without "shaping" by corporations.

  12. Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I left after they censored Hillary Clinton Illuminati videos.

    And yes, you "tech people" that's still censorship. The government doesn't have a monopoly on that practice.

    ("tech people" love parroting the meme that a private corporation can't censor somebody. I don't understand where that comes from.)

    1. Re:Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to facebook dumbass.

      Tech people are less concerned because they can run their own sites and services, in a way that you never can.
      You're angry because you're dependent.

    2. Re:Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ("tech people" love parroting the meme that a private corporation can't censor somebody. I don't understand where that comes from.)

      It comes from the fact that it is true.

      YouTube is a private business, not a government organization. They can delete or prohibit anything they want, for any reason they want. They don't even have to give you a reason. They can just delete your video because they don't like you.

      From a Public Relations standpoint, it's probably not a good idea to do that, but, they can if they want to, and if you don't like it, you are free to go somewhere else.

      If you come into my house, I can tell you to get the fuck out. If you go into YouTube's house, they can do the same.

      It's not censorship.

    3. Re:Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's not censorship, what do you call it?

      If they're tailoring content then it falls afoul of the DMCA Safe Harbor provision which says sites are not held liable for the content users upload so long as they are not editorializing content and promptly respond to DMCA takedown notices. There's an argument to be made that the actions of YT voids their Safe Harbor provision, making them potentially liable for all uploaded content.

    4. Re:Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youtube has no problem enforcing DMCA, it even has automated responses. They don't give a fuck about your fantasy version of law you ignore when you don't like and cheerlead when you use it as excuse; they follow the actual law.

    5. Re: Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporate Progressive nazis sure do love corporate censorship.

    6. Re:Censorship by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Oh, I know I _can_ host my own video site. I just can't be bothered, and it would cost more than I want to spend.

      So yeah, I do give a shit about Youtube. If they fail me I'm going to be exposed to an irritating level of effort and cost.

    7. Re:Censorship by alexgieg · · Score: 1

      It comes from the fact that it is true.

      That depends. If a private media organization is in a monopolistic or quasi-monopolistic position, and the government has extensive influence over that organization, then the government may get it to act as unofficial censor without breaking any anti-censorship law that prevents the government itself from censoring.

      That also works with a few layer of indirection added, so that it doesn't look so obvious. For instance, the government may have influence over private companies, who in turn have huge ad budgets and thus have influence over private media organizations, and then approve laws preventing ads from companies it doesn't have influence over, so that these lose the influence they had over the same private media organizations.

      19th century laws aren't meant to deal with this kind of scenario.

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  13. What's the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are other places to upload videos, right? You're just going to have to make your own arrangements to get paid. I mean, if you were looking for easy money from youtube, well, that's just too bad. You gotta make your own money press. There are other internet outlets for that also.

  14. Dilemma by Jarwulf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Youtube, and all the social media/market place tech companies are caught between those who want more freedom and less censorship and for them to behave as a passive neutral channel of goods and information and those who want more 'safety' and control and proactive regulation of content. Sometimes you have the exact same people demanding both. But you can't have it both ways, control of fake news inevitably will spill over to shutting down alternative news outlets, hysteria about pedos means no comments at all on any video with a kid walking into frame. Censorship of offensive content inevitably morphs into censorship of unpopular opinions. Forget net neutrality. This is what will determine what our future internet will look like. We as a society will have to choose, we can either have a bland 'safe' corporatized internet that is essentially an al la carte TV channel or we can have the wild west Internet and whatever it will grow into in the future it all its terrible glory and freedom. Google, governments, and the other companies favor the former option, are we going to stop them?

    1. Re:Dilemma by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Youtube, and all the social media/market place tech companies are caught between those who want more freedom and less censorship and for them to behave as a passive neutral channel of goods and information and those who want more 'safety' and control and proactive regulation of content.

      YouTube never saw itself as a "passive neutral channel of goods and information". Does it matter to you what a private company wants its business model to be, or are all businesses now required to give equal time to every single jackoff and dirtbag and only do business according to the dictates of your political agenda?

      When did you think YouTube was aiming to be a "passive neutral channel of goods and information", anyway?

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    2. Re:Dilemma by Jarwulf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I never said the company itself wanted to be a neutral carrier, I said a large group of people prefer a wild west internet over a controlled limited corporatized internet. That was the prevailing model before companies like Google formed an oligopoly and switched from taking advantage of the free internet, to clamping down on it for ideological and financial reasons. Google/Facebook/Amazon etc want the internet to be like a tv channel, thats why they characteristically overreact to every new internet 'safety' or 'fake news' scandal, knowing it empowers the mob. The only roadblock as far as tech companies are concerned is characteristic corporate laziness and inertia.

    3. Re:Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I said a large group of people prefer a wild west internet over a controlled limited corporatized internet." Youtube is 1 website, you're a moron. Don't like youtube, NAVIGATE AWAY FROM IT DIPSHIT.

    4. Re:Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YouTube and social media companies don't owe you anything. Fake news, comment sections on home videos, and other garbage are free to migrate to someone else's servers, and they are free to regulate them however they want, and advertisers are free to take one look at you and say "WTF".

      Your crazy rants on 8chan don't have a large enough audience? Tough nuts, snowflake.

    5. Re:Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never said the company itself wanted to be a neutral carrier, I said a large group of people prefer a wild west internet over a controlled limited corporatized internet. That was the prevailing model before companies like Google formed an oligopoly and switched from taking advantage of the free internet, to clamping down on it for ideological and financial reasons. Google/Facebook/Amazon etc want the internet to be like a tv channel, thats why they characteristically overreact to every new internet 'safety' or 'fake news' scandal, knowing it empowers the mob. The only roadblock as far as tech companies are concerned is characteristic corporate laziness and inertia.

      Everyone who prefers a Wild West Internet can go enjoy that with everyone else, why would the rest of us have to suffer it? Taking advantage of the free internet, REALLY? Go spin up a free server yourself then.

    6. Re:Dilemma by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Well that is the way they choose to market themselves to get people to the platform. NO, they are an advertising corporation, first, last and everything in-between. The way they present themselves to the public is pure market, the shiny coat on a load of bullshit (the bullshit being the advertising and google will advertise any kind of rubbish as long as they are paid, which makes them an extremely bad advertising platform for quality products because they become associated with the ad shown before and after.)

      So Google want content as advertising, they want the content itself to be advertising, then show more ads before, during and after, that content which is actually an ad itself and then they want ads on the platform outside of the content. They want that platform to compulsary lauch on you system as soon as you attempt to use them to force more ads on you, they want to wake you up with ads and when it is time to go to sleep, scream more ads at you and you can bet subliminally feed more ads to you whilst you sleep.

      They are just a greedy sack of shit pretending to be something they are not because no one want accept their stuff if they really knew how bad they really are. Lots of feel good ethicsvertising, it is who they are, anal retentive privacy invasive arseholes, hiding behind a mask of normality. We learned to hate that kind of crappy behaviour in primary school, why as adults are you now putting with that privacy invasive and psychologically manipulative shite.

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    7. Re:Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YouTube's biggest problem is that it's got a small staff - and they were stupid enough to let their own SJW staff push them into content control.

      They had some clever software that could spot flagrant piracy. They tried to claim it could spot "hate" too... all bullshit... and they've been caught at it.

      Since youtube didn't have the staff to police it properly, they offloaded the job to the users (flagging) and the decision to various left-wing groups. These groups can flag AND make the decision on the flag. Youtube tried to hide/cover this by claiming it was being done by AI.

      The result has been a disaster for google. They've been caught using political censorship. they can no longer claim to be neutral. The effects of this are slowly becoming obvious. The politicians are closing in now and that's why YouTube will never be the fun place it was.

      All down to Susan Wojcicki and her terrible decisions.

    8. Re:Dilemma by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      When did you think YouTube was aiming to be a "passive neutral channel of goods and information", anyway?

      When it was aiming for DMCA safe harbor status.

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    9. Re:Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youtube has no problem enforcing DMCA, it even has automated responses. They don't give a fuck about your fantasy version of law you ignore when you don't like and cheerlead when you use it as excuse; they follow the actual law.

    10. Re: Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is the people who want a wild west Internet, but also feel entitled to be paid by advertisers, who are the ones who want a "safe", controlled Internet.

      "Bwwaaah, I've been demonetized"

      Feel free to post any shit you want on your own platform.

    11. Re: Dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporate Progressive nazis sure do love licking the iron boot.

    12. Re:Dilemma by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      An even larger group of people want the freedom to criticise YouTube for its choices about allowed content and recommendations. They demand their free speech and it's very difficult for those who wish to silence them in order to stop their content being criticised to do anything about it.

      The group that demands protection from criticism and the "dumb pipe" model of content delivery is extremely small. Then you have the spammers who complain that they are getting hammered by the recommendation and search algorithms, and there is a surprisingly large amount of overlap with the "dumb pipe" group. There is a lot of double think going on there.

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    13. Re:Dilemma by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      But you can't have it both ways, control of fake news inevitably will spill over to shutting down alternative news outlets, hysteria about pedos means no comments at all on any video with a kid walking into frame.

      I don't see why you can't. We'e talking about computers, flagging, and filtering here. Just give people the settings in their account to restrict various content if they want to. (Fake news filter, titty filter, violence filter, comments filter for each, etc.) By default enable the maximum filtering, and make this the default for non-logged-in viewers. Then let people opt their way out of filtering if they want to. (Or in the case of an account set up for someone under 18, don't let them.)

      If they opt out of filtering and get pissy at the content, then they need to enable their filters again.

      If you can identify and filter out this content for everyone, you can conditionally do it for people who have their filters enabled.

      And before someone cries about the advertisers, give them the option of which level of filtering to show their ads under. Are you a family friendly place? Only show your stuff to people with maximum filters. Are you a porn company? Only show to people with the titty filter off.

      This really doesn't seem to be a hard problem to solve. If you disagree with what YouTube calls fake news, then just turn that filter off. If you're ok with your kids seeing titties but not violence, go ahead and set those filters that way. Letting people determine their own comfort level is far superior to enforcing yours on everyone.

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  15. Bullseye, now target then whole board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Absolutely right. But, now apply this logic to the internet writ large. RIP the internet. I remember the first time I searched for something with few to no results, only to find that there were now many more results. The internet was growing! I remember the first time I found something blackholed, lost to never be found again. The internet is now shrinking. It's dying.

    1. Re:Bullseye, now target then whole board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the internet is rapidly shrinking.

      Normal people keep insisting that they "have access to all of humanities knowledge in their pockets".
      Holy shit you really don't! They have no idea just how much has already been lost.

      Soon there won't be a fucker left alive who remembers that the internet was freedom unprecedented in human history.

    2. Re: Bullseye, now target then whole board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most kids are trained to get on their knees as soon as they hear the authority personâ(TM)s jeans unzip. It was bad when I was in school, and itâ(TM)s worse today.

  16. I Recently Shut Down All Comments On My Videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since my videos can be removed for comments made by anyone, I will no longer allow comments. That signaled the end of YouTube for me.

    1. Re: I Recently Shut Down All Comments On My Videos by illiac_1962 · · Score: 1

      Comments have always been useless trash on YT.

    2. Re: I Recently Shut Down All Comments On My Videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Truer words have never been written.

  17. Fake News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is nothing but indie creator content in my youtube. Veritasium, Kurzgesagt, 3blue1brown, Vihart, etc etc..

    The post above seems like it's trying to manufacture outrage

    1. Re:Fake News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because you're stupid enough to create an account and sign in.

    2. Re:Fake News! by SpaceDave · · Score: 1

      Me too. I just checked my YouTube home page and of the first 50 suggested videos, 4 of them were from traditional broadcasters or "big players" such as NASA. All the rest were from independent creators such as Scott Manley.

      Also, it's pretty hard to take anyone seriously when they say YouTube is dead. Wikipedia lists it as the 2nd most popular website in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_websites). You may not like where it's going but to say it's dead is simply denying reality.

    3. Re:Fake News! by jonwil · · Score: 1

      I too get a lot of recommendations from content creators that are far from "mainstream media". Some are fairly large in their own right like LinusTechTips but many are still fairly small and definitely "indie". (channels like LGR or 8BitGuy).

  18. Not just YouTube by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The 'golden age' of the Internet in general is long since over. Everything is tracked, monitored, monitized, and charged subscription fees for. Wouldn't at all be surprised if 10 years from now you're not only paying for basic access to the Internet, but every last thing you access on it charges a subscription fee one way or another.

    1. Re:Not just YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything is tracked, monitored, monitized, and charged subscription fees for.

      ... and popped-up over the top of.

      Well, for those who run any old script the site throws at them anyway.

    2. Re:Not just YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'golden age' of the Internet in general is long since over. Everything is tracked, monitored, monitized, and charged subscription fees for. Wouldn't at all be surprised if 10 years from now you're not only paying for basic access to the Internet, but every last thing you access on it charges a subscription fee one way or another.

      Well how did you figure everything would just be free, and at the scale it is today, or tomorrow?

    3. Re:Not just YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up unless you have something intelligent to say.

    4. Re:Not just YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might be right, but it's partly up to you. My own website is 20 years old. Still free. No ads. There are lots of similar sites, providing various things, from software to gardening tips. But if you want Facebook, Twitter and pop music then you'll see ads and you'll be tracked..

    5. Re:Not just YouTube by Calydor · · Score: 1

      The same way it used to in the earliest days - people doing it as a hobby with non-intrusive ad banners and images that didn't try to install malware to create botnets to deliver email spam.

      People don't mind spending money on their hobbies, even if that hobby means paying for hosting space for the sites about whatever you want to talk about.

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    6. Re:Not just YouTube by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The 'golden age' of the Internet in general is long since over.

      Define the golden age. There's two commonly acceptable definitions: "the ideal time in the past", or "the period where an activity is at its peak".
      I don't yearn for the internet of the past. Content was poorer, harder to find, information was more scarce, everything was slower, the people were fewer (anyone remember sitting for minutes at a time on battle.net matchmaking screens?).

      If anything the golden age hasn't even arrived yet. The internet is seeing more and wider use now than ever before.

    7. Re:Not just YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same way it used to in the earliest days - people doing it as a hobby with non-intrusive ad banners

      Huh? You seem to have some selective amnesia there. Before the advent of personalized ads, banners were extremely obnoxious. Personalization increased the per-impression value enough that ads were able to become non-intrusive and still generate adequate revenues.

    8. Re:Not just YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything is tracked, monitored, monitized, and charged subscription fees for.

      Install NoScript and even the NSA won't be able to track you without a court order. Seriously.

    9. Re:Not just YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'golden age' of the Internet in general is long since over. Everything is tracked, monitored, monitized, and charged subscription fees for. Wouldn't at all be surprised if 10 years from now you're not only paying for basic access to the Internet, but every last thing you access on it charges a subscription fee one way or another.

      we do pay a subscription fee to access the internet and generally I always have, admittedly in the 1980's and early 90's I did pay sub but did pay per minute phone fees and a sub to phone company. I know you're talkign about www and NOT "internet" but even then a lot of content consumed on web is already subbed to services, we're already there.

    10. Re:Not just YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh? I had a much easier time finding everything I wanted on the internet circa 1998-2009, the modern one has everything behind paywalls with tons of fake data sites.

    11. Re:Not just YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'golden age' of the Internet in general is long since over.

      Define the golden age.

      That's easy: when the Internet was interesting. By my estimation, the golden age peaked in about 2000.

      Sure, the Internet is a lot more useful then it was back then, but that's all it is now: useful.

      The Net hasn't been interesting in over a decade....

  19. It is all relative by pegdhcp · · Score: 1
    For whatever reason, my experience is just the opposite of what is described in TFA. For some months I was forced to actively modify my history, shape it somehow in order to get recommendations I used to get with no effort at all. I only recently can stop YouTube algorithm to recommend pirated content and some extremely amateur producers. In a way I am actively trying to get a flow that is described as "bad" here, but which I prefer to view.

    I agree that there is(was) a problem with new modifications in recommendation ML routines, but the bias is not as described, in my case, as such I would think twice before saying that developers are explicitly pushing certain materials, but they are pushing material which is not fitting to viewer preferences.

    However last two or three weeks, things are getting better. After months of Bollywood recommendations and some strange pop music videos popping up, interestingly both videos and advertisements got meaningful and related to my interests recently. I do not know how much of this is due to manipulations on my history, and how much is due to a new modification in algorithm.

    1. Re:It is all relative by pegdhcp · · Score: 1
      Well this is interesting. I am used to, even expecting and contributing to the environment of snarky comments. However a "moderator", probably a new one with a SJW or libtardy oriented mind downrated my comment which basically says "it is not so as described in TFA". I frankly do not give a levitating sexual intercourse about any negative comment and/or negative moderating action, as such is the natural course of life and usual environment in our professional circumstances in certain professions. OTOH this is the first time ever I have seen a negative reaction why TFA has a letter "F" there...

      Let us think about what _this_ says about the changing trends in /. platform in general. Have a nice Sunday...

    2. Re:It is all relative by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I can see your problem by the words "actively modify my history."

      Press the little hamburger control next to the video you don't plan on watching. From the drop-down menu, select "Not interested." Keep doing it. You should be able to get the recommendations under control very quickly.

    3. Re: It is all relative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep giving google that data you fucking sheep cuck.

    4. Re:It is all relative by volmtech · · Score: 1

      I would say it is the new algorithm. I am a 66 year old man. I like car and heavy equipment fail videos. I also like young women singing metal music. I am getting recommendations to great new bands and crash filled videos. I recently was introduced to O'Keefe Music Foundation. Kids playing groups like Tool and Danzig. These are high production value videos performed by extremely talented teens. Check out their version of Tool's 46 and 2 and Dirty Black Summer by Danzig. Let me know what you think.

  20. I have never liked YouTube by jdawgnoonan · · Score: 0

    Most of the content is shit.

    1. Re:I have never liked YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are shit. And hawt. And gay.

  21. They're a private corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can make whatever rules they want.

    1. Re:They're a private corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember the dawn of the WWW (during the Gingrich and the "Republican Revolution" era, it was the left that was *vehemently* against online censorship, and somehow, free speech has become a right-wing issue.

      What happened to affect this paradigm shift in the American political landscape, that the left now champions censorship? Everything has shifted 180 degrees in the last five years.

    2. Re:They're a private corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the wrong question. The right one, is how the left became supporters of the ***BIGGEST*** corporations on the face of planet Earth (Google).

    3. Re:They're a private corporation by Jzanu · · Score: 0

      There was no shift ending "freedom" that you can blame on your limited idea of politics. The world got online, and that meant the world's problems got online. That means the same virulent hate and xenophobia that causes actual warfare and actual murder got packaged and disseminated along with the latest cat video. Youtube didn't care which it served you, both were hits. The hate video made you reply though, and made you come back one way or the other either as fan or enemy fighter. Youtube and all social media are exactly the equivalent of war profiteers, and are just a step above the arms traders that sell rocket launchers and anti-personnel mines to children.

    4. Re:They're a private corporation by imperious_rex · · Score: 2

      "Youtube and all social media are exactly the equivalent of war profiteers, and are just a step above the arms traders that sell rocket launchers and anti-personnel mines to children."

      Laying the hyperbole on rather thick, aren't you? I didn't know children have the cash to buy rocket launchers and anti-personnel mines. When I was I kid I couldn't scrape up enough cash to buy a BB gun, let alone an RPG or mine. Who do the kids use them on? School teachers? Other kids who called them ugly names? School district administrators?

      I agree with Lady Gaga who said that social media is the toilet of the internet. As far as YouTube goes, I only partake of it as a consumer, not a participant or creator. Sure, there's a lot of conspiracy and extremist garbage on YouTube, but so what? I don't actively look for it, so I rarely encounter it.

    5. Re:They're a private corporation by Jzanu · · Score: 2

      No. I take it you have never heard of child soldiers? They are supplied by the military forces that kidnapped and conscripted them. This happens every day and all over the world. That you are not familiar with this shows your world view as overly sheltered, and at least artificial if not alien to the real world. What I means is this: The death campaigns in Rwanda in 1994 began with radio broadcasts, in Thailand last year it started with facebook posts by a radical cleric. They are the same, and have the same responsibility for what is disseminated.

    6. Re:They're a private corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SEIG HEIL MOTHERFUCKER

    7. Re:They're a private corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm German and a retired soldier. Nazis are worse than roaches. Both just need to get stepped on and killed when seen.

    8. Re:They're a private corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hu-rah.

    9. Re:They're a private corporation by imperious_rex · · Score: 1

      I know about child soldiers. Obviously my attempt at humor was too subtle. You said "...sell rocket launchers and anti-personnel mines to children." Taken literally (which is what I was doing), you're saying that children are the ones who buy the weapons (where do kids get the money? Selling lemonade and pencils?). Joking aside, of course the reality is that children don't buy weapons. It's the scum adults who do and then supply the weapons to the kids.

      As for media inciting violence, I partially agree. In the case of Rwanda, the radio stations' owners are responsible and should be held accountable. Facebook shouldn't be in the position to censor and decide who can and can't post (except obviously illegal things such as graphic violent imagery, child porn, etc.), nor should any government be a censor as well. When anybody can exercise mass communication for zero cost, is proving to be a challenge to our democratic institutions of freedom of speech and freedom of the press and I have no idea how the situation will play out.

    10. Re:They're a private corporation by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Child soldiers don't buy rocket launchers. If you give the money to the kids, they're going to take a bus home or something.

      The adult soldiers buy the rocket launchers while the kids wait outside.

      Just like cigarettes.

  22. prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the future, microcelebrities will be famous for 15 microseconds.

  23. It ded by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Youtube started heading downhill when they started freaking about ads on monetized pages. Advertisers started demanding that their ads only show up on videos that the advertiser agreed with the content in the video.

    Next thing you know, they remove monetization from channels that didn't have acertain number of followers.

    Next they demonetized channels when people complained about the content. A lot of Men's rights and MGTOW challis were hit because of women who didn't want their content on Youtube. Firearms channels were hit people people demanding that sort of thing not be shown on Youtube.

    Figuring that what was good for the goose was good for the gander, the recently demonetized or disgruntled started complaining about the likely people complaining about their favorite channels. Chaos ensues.

    Google has some real problems these days. At the same time they are administratively full blown Social Justice Warriors, they have sexual discrimination Lawsuits against them, and have revolting employees because they apparently aren't Socially and politically pure enough.

    Protip: Social Justice Warriors are never placated, they just find something new to be outraged at.

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    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    1. Re:It ded by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Really, the lack of monetized MGTOW content is what has ruined YouTube?

      There is still plenty of good stuff on there. Loads of hobby related stuff, from woodworking to cooking to electronics. The lack of money-making MGTOW videos has not has any effect on the quality of hobby videos.

      And why do MGTOW videos need to be monetized anyway? It's a philosophical/political movement that people are following not to get rich, but because they believe in its ideology.

      Also, why blame YouTube? It's the advertisers who are demanding this. Find some advertisers who are MGTOW friendly and get them to sign up to YouTube's ad programme, or directly sponsor the videos.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    2. Re:It ded by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Next they demonetized channels when people complained about the content. A lot of Men's rights and MGTOW challis were hit because of women who didn't want their content on Youtube. Firearms channels were hit people people demanding that sort of thing not be shown on Youtube.

      Wow thats pretty entitled. It's not enough to have free speech. It's not even enough to be given a free platform on which to share your speech. No, you're going to whine if you're not actually PIAD by a big company to spread your speech.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    3. Re:It ded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off, AmiMojo.

    4. Re:It ded by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Really, the lack of monetized MGTOW content is what has ruined YouTube?

      Dare I say, whoosh? MGTOW is just an example of a fringey sort of group that falls outside of a narrative espoused by groups that want only one narrative. Innocent enough within itself, but verboten speech. There are other groups. I just chose one that apparently triggered you. But more on that below.

      There is still plenty of good stuff on there. Loads of hobby related stuff, from woodworking to cooking to electronics.

      Speaking of which, Cody's Lab has been demonetized. Just a guy who does chemistry type stuff. Hopefully that will make a less triggering sort of reference. But yeah, there is a lot of good stuff on Youtube like that. But the fact that there is good content does not detract from demands to control the narrative presented.

      Also, why blame YouTube? It's the advertisers who are demanding this.

      Because the process is completely broken. You are kinda an example of this. I mention MGTOW, and it triggers you. The process should be a lot more tailored. An ad for Burger King shouldn't be playing on a vegan channel, or a birth control ad on a fundamentalist religion channel. The effect is jarring, although sometimes hilarious. Television OTOH, uses demographics. Food and restaurant ads show up near mealtimes. Courtroom shows are a great example. Their commercials are aimed at the older audience that tends to watch these, and are loaded with prescription med ads, adult diaper ads, and other ads that might be of interest to the demographic.

      The internet ad service paradigm is stupid, and about the only targeted ads are for things that someone has already bought.

      Find some advertisers who are MGTOW friendly and get them to sign up to YouTube's ad programme, or directly sponsor the videos.

      A lot of the channels have been demonetized based on triggered people's complaints, so it isn't just advertisers. But direct sponsorship has been the route taken, as well as patreon. And it turns out to be so superior to the Youtube model that it is part of the problems Youtube is having. Instead of some random and often jarring commercial popping up in the middle of a vid or other places, the targeted ads embedded within these demonetized channels are impossible to block, and tend to be of products that the audience is interested in. What is more, other than kicking the people directly off Youtube, which would be prima facie political narrative control, any control over the content is lost.

      Ah, triggering. You seem to be on edge lately here, my friend, As the old saying goes:

      I tried to point out the stars to you, but all you saw was the tip of my finger.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    5. Re:It ded by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Next they demonetized channels when people complained about the content. A lot of Men's rights and MGTOW challis were hit because of women who didn't want their content on Youtube. Firearms channels were hit people people demanding that sort of thing not be shown on Youtube.

      Wow thats pretty entitled. It's not enough to have free speech. It's not even enough to be given a free platform on which to share your speech. No, you're going to whine if you're not actually PIAD by a big company to spread your speech.

      You do see the flaw with that, I would hope. As long as the political narrative is acceptable, or you didn't give someone booboo feelings you would get paid. Deviate from the straight and narrow, and you don't. And having an advertiser decide what is proper? I thought you far left people thought that companies are pretty amoral.

      The actual problem is that the ads aren't very well targeted. You might get an ad for birth control on a fundamentalist Christian channel, or a gun control ad on a channel about target shooting or hunting. A male catheter commercial on a kid's channel, or a dating service on one of those MGTOW channels that trigger y'all so much. Do you want Hobby Lobby or Chic fil A dictating the content of videos?

      They need to use demographics, just like regular Television has so successfully. Takes a bit of work, but not that hard.

      The paradigm is broken. And instead of fixing it, they let any control they might have had slip away. Turning advertisers into the arbiters of taste and morality, and what is or is not acceptable won't work out too well, even if kowtowing to them is something you might agree with at the moment.

      Fear not though - as often happens, the fix is pretty simple. These channels that make you crazy simply go out and find sponsors and embed their commercials right in the video. And being the sort of product that the likely viewers would be interested in, works a lot better. And the money goes directly to the content creator.

      Good for the content creator, not so good for Google and Youtube. Now the complainers have to make a case for completely removing channels that apparently commit the crime of having an opinion the complainers don't like. It's kinda part and parcel of the subject of this story. The golden age is over.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    6. Re:It ded by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Cody's Lab was temporarily banned from uploading new videos because he microwaved some fruit flies. Microwaving insects is not allowed on YouTube.

      Have you got any *good* examples? There are plenty of fuck-ups on YouTube's end, I'm just questioning he premise that it's the lack of monetization that is causing the problems right now. I'd say it's the copyright enforcement system they are using, and the recommendation system.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    7. Re:It ded by epine · · Score: 2

      Advertisers started demanding that their ads only show up on videos that the advertiser agreed with the content in the video.

      The advertiser is the customer in this story. That mainstream advertisers were ever monetizing PewDiePie in any way is the only real anomaly in this YouTube story.

      Google is not even an advertising company. They're an advertising display company. They own the billboards, not what goes on the billboards. Apart from their own needs, Google has no advertising creative team whatsoever.

      Brand management has been a big deal for most of recorded history.

      In Pompeii, circa 35 CE, a manufacturer of fish sauce branded his amphora which travelled across the entire Mediterranean.

      And it only snowballed from there.

      You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company.
              — Dr Strangelove

      The only amazing thing here is the PewDiePie escaped the wrath of the Coca-Cola company for as long as he did.

    8. Re:It ded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MGTOW/MRA etc. are groups of men who weren't going to vote Hillary. THAT is what triggers AniMoJo. Furthermore, AniMoJo has a history of spreading fake stories against them.

      There has been a sustained attack on social media after Trump won because it was seen as usurping the traditional media houses - each of which are already aligned to political structure. I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist but the I predicted this attack and then saw it being carry out. It started with allegations of 'fake news', then tying it to Russia, finally lacing it with 'Nazis have come!' rhetoric. Social media is also usurping the normal revenue models of these media houses, so they not only provide full coverage to the SJW outcry, they actively participate in spreading provocative extremist views of both sides.

      MGTOW/MRA are those 'abnormal' groups who can easily be tugged under the rug of latest "deplorable" without any repercussion because they don't align with either party and hence have no control over traditional media.

    9. Re:It ded by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Cody's Lab was temporarily banned from uploading new videos because he microwaved some fruit flies. Microwaving insects is not allowed on YouTube.

      So are experiments on drosophila illegal or something? Oh, Youtube must have shit their panties when Mythbusters did some experiments on honeybees and water/alcohol.

      Youtube has videos on termite control. They actually kill those innocent little termites. Time to kick 'em off.

      Have you got any *good* examples? There are plenty of fuck-ups on YouTube's end, I'm just questioning he premise that it's the lack of monetization that is causing the problems right now. I'd say it's the copyright enforcement system they are using, and the recommendation system.

      You remind me of a guy who once worked for me. instead of conversations, he would listen for a trigger word, the pounce on it to start an argument with me. He'd lose the whole point of the conversation, by trying to make himself look smart. It did eventually cost him his job.

      Yes, Youtube has a number of problems. Almost all big problems have multiple causes.

      I take it that I am not supposed to point out one of them? Or are you saying that demonitization is not a problem? Well, I had a Youtube channel for a while that was demonitized for not having enough subscriptions, which was pretty obvious since it was just started a few weeks prior. Nothing remotely controversial, just instructional videos. So I stopped producing them.

      Yeah -that was a problem as well. Copyright issues are a problem. Attempted redefinitions of "fair use" are a problem. Ad content is a problem. Apparently, controversial marial that triggers some folks and have them attempt to take down or demonitize channels is not, will not, and cannot ever be a problem. Perhaps you should make a listing of allowable examples, and demand they be excluded from discussion. After all, if people say things that do not fit your narrative, those opinions must be suppressed.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    10. Re:It ded by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      So are experiments on drosophila illegal or something?

      YouTube does ban microwaving fruit flies, yes. I imagine Mythbusters got clearance from the TV network first, but Cody's Lab didn't ask YouTube and I don't think YouTube offers that kind of service anyway.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    11. Re:It ded by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You do see the flaw with that, I would hope. As long as the political narrative is acceptable, or you didn't give someone booboo feelings you would get paid. Deviate from the straight and narrow, and you don't.

      That's one of the most warped and entitled things I've ever read. No, nothing at all gives you a RIGHT to get paid for your speech.

      I thought you far left people thought that companies are pretty amoral.

      Yes well you would think that wouldn't you. You have no idea wht "left" even is, so you ascribe some mishmash bag of things to it then convince yourself that anyone who doesn't agree with you on everything must therefore believe all the things in your bag.

      They need to use demographics, just like regular Television has so successfully. Takes a bit of work, but not that hard.

      No you don't get it. It's their money, they don't need to do anything.

      Why do you keep telling other people what to do with their money? Are you a communist or something?

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    12. Re: It ded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you doubling down on stupid?

      Why are you INTENTIONALLY ignoring his points?

      You reply about fruit flies and getting the tv networks approval. WhT the fuck has that got to do with YouTube??

      You can't refute his points, so you double down on stupid. As per the usual.

    13. Re: It ded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first one to scream mahhhhhhh rights. But bends over and takes the google dick in his ass like a champ. Well played sir.

      Goatseeeeee!!!

    14. Re:It ded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are experiments on drosophila illegal or something?

      YouTube does ban microwaving fruit flies, yes. I imagine Mythbusters got clearance from the TV network first, but Cody's Lab didn't ask YouTube and I don't think YouTube offers that kind of service anyway.

      Hilarious that you ignore the rest of the comment, just like every other shill here on /.

    15. Re:It ded by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You do see the flaw with that, I would hope. As long as the political narrative is acceptable, or you didn't give someone booboo feelings you would get paid. Deviate from the straight and narrow, and you don't.

      That's one of the most warped and entitled things I've ever read. No, nothing at all gives you a RIGHT to get paid for your speech.

      I don't think I've ever noted that I thought it was a right. Youtube could decide tomorrow that no males were allowed, or no females were allowed, or that all content people have to make a donation to the NRA, or Join the Rosicrucians.

      That is Youtube's right. People have the right to say what they think of that though That is a right that the responders have. Works both ways. I thinnk you are having imaginary arguments with me.

      They need to use demographics, just like regular Television has so successfully. Takes a bit of work, but not that hard.

      No you don't get it. It's their money, they don't need to do anything.

      Why do you keep telling other people what to do with their money? Are you a communist or something?

      It is rather amusing that you claim that I don't "get it". I do get many things. Demographics allow a venue showing advertising to show advertisements tailored to their likely audience. They aren't forced to do that. But it's hard to imagine male catheter ads being shown on Teletubbies. Confuses the kids, and annoys the parents.

      When Papa John Schnatter went far right wing nut during the 2008 elections, and when he doubled down on his inanity, he caused a lot of damage to the Papa John's Pizza brand. Sales dropped, and when he made some disparging remarks about dark pigmented people of African descent in a freaking recorded call for chrissakes - he was removed from his position. Did he have the tight to do all that? Oh hell yeah. Were the shareholders happy? O hell no!

      When Hobby Lobby fought tooth and nail in the courts to refuse to pay for birth control, and eventually the supreme court decided that they had the right to do that - it harmed their business, even though they had an apparent God given right to do the best to make certain every sperm and egg resulted in a birth.

      Alex Jones, who is one brain cell away from playing with his poo, managed to lose a lot of money after saying crazy shit. Impressive for a guy whose business is saying crazy shit. My examples are mostly right wingers, but Youtube is showing it isn't immune to the rule by virtue of being left wing.

      Intelligent businesses and corporations realize that Pizza and health care packages shouoldn't be attached to political or religious beliefs. That is a sound business decision, one that shareholders appreciate.

      Once you start making political decisions that are completely unrelated to your business, you'll piss off about half of everyone. And that's your right. Smart people understand that everyone's money is worth the same, and deciding that you are going to spout off about your thoughts on border walls, birth control, third wave feminists, or men who prefer to remain single, you start making political judgments.

      But hey - it's your right. It's your money. If you are okay on telling a large part of your audience to FOAD because "Muh Rights!" by all means do . No argument there. I had great enjoyment watching Papa John and his self inflicted financial wounds and the loss of his position. And Alex Jones is just a gift that keeps on giving. It's all just popcorn and tequila to me. So is responding to your posts, until I get bored. So keep those coming.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    16. Re: It ded by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The first one to scream mahhhhhhh rights. But bends over and takes the google dick in his ass like a champ. Well played sir.

      Goatseeeeee!!!

      But he has awesome mental arguments with me in his head. Oddly enough, he's lost a few of them

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  24. TLDR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WAY too many words in that summary.

    Summaries are supposed to, you know, summarize!

    Sheesh.

    1. Re:TLDR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading is hard huh.

    2. Re:TLDR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copy/paste is easy, huh?

  25. Free speech by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    links and publishing is not "abusing its system".
    People want to find and share the content they are interested in.
    Not what ad brands want.
    It will not always be the same politics a brand expects to see.

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    1. Re:Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry bub, the brands that pay for the services are never going to accept your nazi content within 100 miles.
      You're going to get pushed off the internet and there's nothing you can do about it.

    2. Re:Free speech by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      AC "the internet" is becoming a utility. With that protection as a utility comes more of the gov protection for freedom of speech.
      Its the users who are commenting, publishing, linking, creating new content. The users are doing the publishing, not the social media brands.
      Once the social media brands start to become a political gatekeeper for other peoples published comments the social media brand becomes the "publisher" of the users comments.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except its not a legal utility and you are wrong and your status as customer gives you no right to spew shit at other customers to the harm of the business using business resources

    4. Re:Free speech by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC the customer is the ad company? The person who is publishing material that makes social media what it is?
      Social media becomes the owner of all content and the ad company fills what role?
      Is the social media company the owner and publisher of the users comments, video clips,links, reviews, images?
      With all the legal ownership of such publication?
      Is the social media brand just a utility allowing people to connect their own work with other interested people?
      That removes any legal risk of been a publisher :) and that legal risk reverts back to the user who put up their comments, links, reviews.
      Many different US states and cities have had to look at that freedom of speech in a private setting over generations AC.
      What happens when everything is done on private property? A private building in a city with total access to the public? A mall?
      Can a person lose all freedom of speech in private given the total freedom and amount of access to the public?
      Can they stand in a open space in a private building, a mall that is open to everyone and talk about politics/faith?
      That issues has swayed between total protected freedom of speech to having no freedom of speech.
      Freedom of speech does not become not protected due to the politics of a business.
      Once a social media product starts allowing gov and local gov on and people can comment on their gov?

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    5. Re:Free speech by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If you want to play Freeze Peach you're going to need your own server and domain name. Because Freedom.

    6. Re:Free speech by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Yeah. That's not sufficient these days; content delivery networks will refuse to carry your content, ISPs will refuse to host your server, registrars will revoke your domain, payment providers will refuse your business.

      There's a disturbing move online to try and eliminate unwanted viewpoints and it's reaching extreme levels already.

    7. Re: Free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But everyone keeps telling me it's alright because it's not the government doing
      It.

      Sigh

    8. Re:Free speech by Aighearach · · Score: 0

      Oh wah fuckin wah, the 7-11 won't sell your newsletter. Freeze Peach!!!

      Try advertising it in the nickel ads. All the nutters read the nickel ads.

    9. Re:Free speech by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Well done, you've managed to miss my point entirely.

      The 7-11 wont sell my newsletter, the printer refuses to print it, nobody will take my nickel, paper manufacturers wont let me buy any paper, ink supplies have dried up, I've been banned from the town square and when I try and visit a bar to spread my message I'm pinned down and someone sticks a ball gag in my mouth.

      I mean, it's all very erotic but it's not how you assure healthy debate on contentious issues.

  26. YouTube died with ContentID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You posted a 20 minute video but used 5 seconds of my content? Even though it might have been used for commentary or satire?

    I own that video now.

    $$$$$ THANKS FOR THE FREE CASH BUDDY $$$$$

    1. Re:YouTube died with ContentID by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's the bit that pisses me off the most. I have around 1200 videos that the music cartels have monetised because of incidental background music.

      Sadly UK law leaves me no options.

  27. gosh golly by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

    It's almost like "fighting radicalization" can only take place in a paradigm of censorship-by-default that only allows massive rights-holders to distribute content.

    1. Re:gosh golly by Jzanu · · Score: 2

      Yes. Free publication, advertising, market reports, and even electronic storage of all data enabled the lowest and worst of humanity to recruit for death campaigns just as easily as as the scouting bake sale. There is now imposed user responsibility for user generated content. The company won't pay you to sabotage its market position to make money for yourself. Now you have to pay for your business, just like all real business always has, and you don't get to ride free while complaining.

    2. Re: gosh golly by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

      That's total bullshit. The entire reason this business model happened is that user-created content, including the garbage, is the cause of 100% of Google's income from the platform. Anyone who draws eyes to the platform deserves a cut and always has.

  28. It's... It's... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    It's almost as if people thought there were no other video hosting sites!

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  29. There were some warning signs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess that lady that fired some shots at some YouTube office was giving a heads-up ( or duck)

  30. Re: LOL MORONS STILL SEE ADS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YouTube ads are not overwhelmed with scams and exploits and such, and I don't think I've ever seen a YouTube ad that was questionable as such. Takes money to make a video ad, don't think virus writers and script kiddies want to spend time or money on something like that. Big Business probably likes telemetry stuffs, like screen rez and bandwidth and geographic location.

  31. Re: LOL MORONS STILL SEE ADS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adverts are literally corporate propaganda. Only retards watch them.
    Thanks for being retarded, I guess.

  32. The biggest most farmful conspiracy theory. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pushed non-stop the last 2+- years with countless thousands of hours of prime time cable and broadcast channels as well as youtube.. Was the Russian/Trump collusion, when in fact we knew for some time the investigation was started by BS and theres more Clinton Foundation/Russia collusion than anything else going(Foundation also found improperly spending $)..

    Do you see CNN, MSNBC, and the rest now banned for conspiracy theories etc? No .. This is Globalists trying to censor and make it so their voice is the only one heard.

    1. Re: The biggest most farmful conspiracy theory. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this. There you have it. When I see CNN banned as âoefake newsâ when they report something inaccurate I might change my opinion. YouTube, Google, and Facebook have become nothing more than propaganda machines for the left. Which kills their DMCA safe harbor. Iâ(TM)m waiting for the lawsuits to eventually roll.

  33. Re: LOL MORONS STILL SEE ADS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "YouTube ads are not overwhelmed with scams and exploits and such" = True, but "overwhelmed" = you're willing to be a guinea pig for that 1 in 1 million? Fuck that, and you. Block ads or die apologizing.

    "Big Business probably likes telemetry stuffs, like screen rez and bandwidth and geographic location." EXACTLY, why are you not also blocking and spoofing your canvas and obscuring yourself generally?

    Do you LIKE walking around NAKED and being targeted by LITERALLY EVERYONE as you go? Or is it a consumer-whore-urge-too-powerful issue? Laziness? What?

    "Takes money to make a video ad, don't think virus writers and script kiddies want to spend time or money on something like that" Oh, I see now. You're an idiot.

    https://securelist.com/it-threat-evolution-q3-2018-statistics/88689/

  34. No kidding by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

    "(A handful of creators had been making more than a million dollars a month, and some even quit their jobs to focus on making videos full-time.)"

    No shit? Who wouldn't quit their job to earn a million dollars a month making YouTube videos?

     

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      Moreover, the way that quote was phrased, they implied some people were making more than a million dollars a month, and then quit their job to make videos full time. Yes, if I can make videos part time for a million a month, I will start making double the videos if I can double my takehome. After all, I have maybe 5 years at best before I'm yesterday's news.

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  35. NEVER FORGET that the MSM did this intentionally by Shane_Optima · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember that this did not just randomly or organically happen. This was openly orchestrated. And everyone let it happen because they were too busy tweeting about Trump's moronic sound byte of the day to care.

    Never forget how the Wall Street Journal freely admitted that they hired three people to spend weeks mining and deceptively editing PewDiePie's content, then sent it directly to Disney for the express purpose of starting a controversy where none existed. Never forget that mainstream media organizations like Wired and The Independent (along with a few "new media" news organizations, such as The Young Turks) parroted this story uncritically and did not truthfully describe the video in question (which showed a closeup of PewDiePie's face looking shocked and then saddened after the words "Death to Jews" actually appeared on the screen). Never forget that none of them followed up to tell their readers that the Wall Street Journal not only edited his videos to remove all of the context indicating that it was comedic satire but even edited a shot of him pointing at something off-screen and implied that it was a Nazi salute.

    None of this is conspiracy theory. The Wall Street Journal was frank and open about their motives in helping to instigate this "adpocalypse". Just days later, they penned a story that basically explained how their intention was to not merely embarrass PewDiePie specifically, but to also start a moral panic amongst advertisers so as to compel Youtube and other new media giants to reel in ALL of this independent nonsense, ALL of this un-sanitized family-unfriendly content, all of this "let the viewers decide what they want to see" nonsense, all of this free speech nonsense.. They were so cheerfully open about this that they didn't even bother pay-walling that article.

    Like I said time and time again when this happened two years ago, this is not about "forcing" Youtube or other corporations to host content, though partisans will always still seek to end the conversation by saying "free market at work; nothing to see here." Corporations like the Wall Street Journal were able to do this by leveraging the fears of advertisers, fears that are ultimately rooted in the desires and actions of consumers like you and me. We aren't just a part of this ecosystem; we are its keystone species.

    So please never forget that this was not a natural or organic or grassroots thing that happened. Never forget that controversy was artificial, was intentionally created and cultivated by large corporations for cynical purposes. Never the day the tail wagged the dog and then bragged about doing it. Understand that this is NOT a shining example of free market supply and demand harmony. Understand how viewers and content producers were ignored in favor of what old media wanted to see happen.

    This is not a fluid or free market sort of thing. This is monolithic and dictatorial. There is no fine-grained option (from my understanding) that allows individual advertisers to opt-in to specific videos that Youtube has deemed not politically correct enough, not vapid and conventional enough. And nobody (be they advertiser or producer or viewer) has the clout to roll their own competitor to Youtube. Anyone who doubts this doesn't understand how the Millennials, how these "Digital Natives" have grown up to think about technology. For them, Youtube IS online video (other than porn) and there is very little incentive for them to poke their heads outside of that walled garden.

    Once again, there will be replies accusing me of being not just Trump apologist but a paid troll. I wish I didn't have to say thi

  36. Re:NEVER FORGET that the MSM did this intentionall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ivan you are retarded

  37. Not worth watching without an ad blocker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Double ads to watch anything and a "recommended" section full of crypto-fascist garbage, yeah, it's fucking over!

    Pretty ridiculous having two ads at the start. Ads that are sometimes minutes long. If I pause it for too long (sometimes overnight) it won't resume without forcing more ads.

    YouTube is not worth watching without an ad blocker.

  38. I MISSED IT?! by ahoffer0 · · Score: 1

    YouTube had a golden age?
    AND I MISSED IT?
    Shit.
    I miss everything.

    1. Re: I MISSED IT?! by ahoffer0 · · Score: 1

      Well, I did see that cat on a Roomba. So I didn't miss EVERYTHING.

    2. Re: I MISSED IT?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you see the one of the cat being sucked up by a Roomba? I think that one was banned.

    3. Re: I MISSED IT?! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Definitely worthy of a golden statue and an ornate tomb. Golden Age material. I laughed for at least 5 minutes.

      Also there was a bear walking like a human while stealing trash. Hilarious.

    4. Re: I MISSED IT?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That wasn't a cat. His name starts with a C.

    5. Re: I MISSED IT?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That wasn't a bear.
      It was slashdots famous persona. Starts with a C.

  39. Please God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let that be the case

  40. Re: LOL MORONS STILL SEE ADS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1 this

  41. No longer for the small creator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the summary: "But after adjusting their algorithm, "perceived, secretive changes instilled creators with a distrust of the platform." "

    Youtube's heyday is over, since Youtube was taken over by the mega-corporation, Alphabet/Google.

    Young viewers are exposed to gorilla advertising, product placement, vulgarity, gratuitous violence, and ghetto fights. This type of content, more then anything else, is what I associate with Youtube, and therefore with Google and Alphabet.

    Innovate creators have only to gravitate to other platforms, that aren't dominated so much by corporate interests. Some day, a new platform will emerge that welcomes new content from the small creator. Money isn't the end-all for creators. Google execs are slow to catch on to this. Some day Google and Alphabet will be broken up, or go broke due to excessive fines.

    1. Re:No longer for the small creator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "gorilla advertising"

      Make that guerilla marketing.

  42. Re:NEVER FORGET that the MSM did this intentionall by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Are you sure you actually read those links?

    Or did you just spew your rant, google the subject, and spew whatever showed up to make it seem like your rant was paraphrasing something?

  43. Re:NEVER FORGET that the MSM did this intentionall by Jzanu · · Score: 1

    Slashdot is definitely the target for practice with troll bots, and whether human powered or computer programs the method is the same. Basically random text generators fed google search results run from terms picked up on the target pages. They have advanced a bit over Eliza, but they are all still really obvious.

  44. secret algos by astrofurter · · Score: 1

    What the world needs to see is the actual source code. Someone needs to drag Big Brother Google's secret algorithms out into the light of day. Let the world see just how corrupt they really are.

    1. Re:secret algos by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      it isn't the algorythms or source code we need. Nobody at google even understands that crap. In short a program writes a million somewhat random bots. Then they give a tester bot 1000 videos they marked as good, 1000 they marked as bad. they have the million bots sort them, and all but the best 10 bots are deleted. Then a program uses those 10 bots as a baseline, makes a million more variants, test and delete again etc... when google finds out the algorythm is failing, they add some of what they determine as missed bad videos to the test and continue the process

      In short, the algorythm that survives, is unreadable to humans, nobody has a darned clue how it works, other than it does better at the test than millions/billions of other random algorythms they've come out with. In short, if you want to search for bias etc... there is a way to do it. Best of all it doesn't require google to give up it's trade secretes etc... we need the testing materials. The manually flagged and added videos that their testing bot judges the random algorythms.

  45. Based on what evidence? by ET3D · · Score: 1

    In my reality, the top news on Slashdot is "14-Year-Old Earned $200,000 Playing Fortnite on YouTube". In my reality, a lot of tech news has sadly moved to videos on YouTube, and new tech YouTube channels appear almost daily. My kids watch YouTube, not TV.

  46. Re:NEVER FORGET that the MSM did this intentionall by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

    Good to know even 5 and 6 digit slashdotters don't fucking read what they're replying to any more. It was the next logical step in the progression-RTFA, RTFS, now RTFP. If you care to check the article I linked to, you'll see that I was the submitter of that story from 2 years ago.

    I even commented in the post that the length was a negative, but if I didn't cover several of those points, it was just inviting the same tired shitty anti-communist replies that usually get modded up to +5.

    I don't have the time or energy to craft a short-enough-to-be-easily-readable-but-still-pertinent post these days. Brevity is hard when you know the morons are right around the corner with their non-sequiturs unholstered.

  47. alt-right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I met a member of the "alt-right" the other day. She was a hot little 24 year old hippie traveler girl in fishnet stockings. She openly expressed support for all sorts of "deplorable" things: Trump, Brexit, freedom of speech, heterosexuality, the working class.

    Yes, I was very surprised. Pleasantly so.

  48. Re:NEVER FORGET that the MSM did this intentionall by Shane_Optima · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ha. If you felt like checking, you might notice that I'm the submitter of that the story from two years ago with 920 comments. No worries; I know reading is hard. Like I told the other guy, I guess we've gone from RTFA to RTFS to RTFP now. I even commented in the post that shorter would've been better but I just don't know how to make it short any more, not when the ignorance is so deep and the nonsensical propaganda replies are so well-rehearsed.

    It's been well over a year since I read that stuff but read it I did. (I didn't include *all* of the relevant links because I figured the post would probably be little-noticed. I didn't expect to get mistaken for a spam bot, though, I must admit.) The Wall Street Journal was all very open about this, the reporters all bragging about what they'd done. Youtube's crackdown happened immediately afterwards and was also very public and open about it. For those who were paying attention, it was and is common knowledge that this event was one of the major catalysts for Youtube's policy shifts. But you can go on and believe it's a conspiracy theory if you must. I did use a lot of words after all. All the conspiracy nuts like words, therefore, etc.

  49. Re:NEVER FORGET that the MSM did this intentionall by Shane_Optima · · Score: 2

    Specifically--and I just remembered this--one of the reporters bragged about it with additional details on Twitter. Just remembered that. He was really quite candid in his comments and overall gung-ho attitude. There are also a couple other relevant WSJ articles around the same time period that *are* paywalled that I have saved somewhere. I don't remember what was said where, exactly. Other people have it all cataloged, I'm sure. Two years ago plenty of other slashdotters checked the links and chimed in with their astonishment and agreement. If you cared to check.

    Meh. It doesn't matter, though. None of it does. Just running low on drugs tonight and accidentally started thinking too much again. Blinked and two years slipped by. I mean it is pretty funny on one level... how we can be in exactly the same place, how Trump can say the mainstream media was fake news and that's reason enough for everyone to believe that anyone who calls out the mainstream media on anything is a lying conspiracy nut. Governance by reverse psychology. Although the evidence is all right there, right there in the open for anyone to pick up and put together with only a very very small amount of deduction required, there's no way of actually getting any significant fraction of people to go to all that trouble.

  50. Competition Commentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Is the Golden Age of Youtube over?" asks a news company that directly competes with Youtube content.

  51. The Golden Age is over? by RandomUsr · · Score: 1

    Ok, while there are many issues with the YouTube algorithm's and monetization of videos, this article is very skewed and doesn't seem to address the core issues of social media self regulation, and paying for good content that's in demand. The "Golden Age", as it's been dubbed here, is not well define. I get plenty of content from YouTube and find it quite helpful. If a content creator provides videos that I like, then watching a few ads is no big deal to me. The problem, for many, is watching so many ads gets old, when I simply want to learn about something. I believe that the educational value in YouTube is there best selling point. That said however, I get what I'd like to call, Ad Burnout: watching so many Ads, my head explodes. I constantly hit the skip button for those dumb surveys, and mute until most video ads have ended; have you noticed the ads getting shorter? Another problem is the demand for content. There so much content, and the demands are always changing. Could one of the big colleges or universities perform a study on content and demand trends have gone for the lest ten years? I think that would help both YouTube, creators, and viewers to get the most out of the platform. Finally, YouTube, doesn't answer to anyone really, except maybe the advertisers and viewers. We need competition is what I'm saying here. Without competition, you end up with Skynet. And no one is going to tell Skynet what to do. While I agree, there are some issues with the algorithms, and favoritism; There's also plenty of good content beginning to emerge. That said, Alternatives drive innovation. My guess is that this article was put together from someone terribly upset with the platform. Could this have been written by some folks over at the verge? Hell, the first link point to a damning article, longer the most people want to take time to read. Perhaps this is fallout from all of the bad press that the Verge has received over the past six months or so? Are you guys still bitter about the Bad PC Build? Get over it, and provide some better videos. And maybe do some better research about the things you're complaining about, with studies to back your claims. Not claiming that YouTube is problem free, but the Author could do a better job at organizing key data points about trends in content, Ads, and monetization in order to paint a picture, rather that regurgitating frustrations. Just my two cents.

    1. Re:The Golden Age is over? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess is that this article was put together from someone terribly upset with the platform

      It's Verge/Vox/Daily Kos. Don't expect quality journalism from that outlet.

  52. Re:NEVER FORGET that the MSM did this intentionall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This "Golden Age" was terminated, intentionally, in an open conspiracy of left- and right-wing oligarchs who all favor strong, centralized, dictatorial control of our entertainment and culture and political talking points/b>.

    This is the key to it. The internet in general, and Facebook Google/Youtube in particular -- was deemed ( only deemed mind you) to have influenced voter decisions against the status quo. Not just the US Presidential election, but on matters like Brexit, or wider european elections. The voters' decisions were across the political spectrum. Sometime they voted right, sometimes left, but more and more often, they vote to move away from the status quo political system.

    The internet has been blamed for this. It is not as manicured and manufactured as most of the post-War media has become. It allows dissent in all forms, and mass platforms for that dissent. Whether you're against say, war in Libya, immigration, privatising public utilities, the welfare state, or Game of Thrones, there is a place for you on the internet and millions of people can hear your arguments.

    The ruling class have suddenly realised they don't like this.

    And so the classic vice of media pressure is being turned against companies and individuals to try and put the internet genie back in his bottle. The ideologies and practices of the ruling class are not up for debate or scrutiny and the power of millions to do so freely is something to be denigrated and ultimately curtailed, once enough consent for the crackdown can be manufactured. And it is being manufactured by the likes of the Wall Street Journal and quite a few other "Papers of Record".

    It's especially disappointing to see the most educated people in society being the most susceptible and pliable recipients of arguments to crack down on the internet and free speech in general. But that is the nature of class warfare. Beneath all the cheap talk, people act in their class interests. And neither Free Speech not Democracy are any longer in the class interest of the political, executive, or administrative stratum of our societies.

  53. it's the fault of the content creators by reanjr · · Score: 1

    Back in the day, you would put your video on YT, but then you would embed it into your own site and link to it from places you think people would like to see it. YT wasn't a destination, it was a place to host videos.

    That shit died with monetization, not with changing algorithms. YT put themselves in this position by providing a revenue share.

  54. patents bring in government power. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    YouTube is a private business, not a government organization. They can delete or prohibit anything they want, for any reason they want. They don't even have to give you a reason. They can just delete your video because they don't like you.

    If they hold patents that prevent competition, that creates government suppression of alternative platforms of the same type.

    It could be argued that government courts enforcing those patents for them, while the censorship is in progress, against operators of an alternative platform that shows content they reject, constitutes a first amendment violation and thus invalidates the patents in question.

    It would be interesting to see an alternative video platform take that tack - even without a court case. The operators could announce that they are allowing the rejected content explicitly to make the claim that they have to carry it in order to head off the suits.

    And if it ever came to court they could also argue that there was no case because the patent-holder's business is not be harmed by others hosting content they won't carry, and with the algorithms secret the alternative video company can't be expected to determine which subset of the content that is.

    "But while we're at it, let's get those algorithms by the discovery process, to see how much damage they might be entitled to if the court rules for them on content they would carry." (Then, if the court rules that carrying content YouTube wouldn't reject IS an infringement, ask for the algorithms to be made public, along with any future changes, so the creators can know what to send to the alternative providers and the alternative providers can know what's safe to carry.

    Fat chance? Maybe. But the law is a tricky thing and there's no way to be sure how a court will rule on an argument until it does. B-)

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    1. Re:patents bring in government power. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I have been trying to figure out a way to verbalize this argument. You do it well. Patents enforce a monopoly and the lack of competition is a harm to citizens. Because the government is involved in enforcement of that monopoly, they should lose their 'private business' exemption to 1st amendment rights.

  55. Constant repeating pattern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A site or a service starts out good, then overtime, it gets top heavy with accumulated bullshit controversy, bullshit bureaucracy, and bullshit changes to the site itself which makes things slower, more prone to breakage, and just plain damn annoying.

    We see this happen in the 'real world' too with businesses and governments.

    YT would not be the first to fall because of it, and it certainly won't be the last.

  56. Re: I Recently Shut Down All Comments On My Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who's here because of the AC comment. ;)

  57. Kim Justice is still going strong by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    only about one video a month, but her content's solid and incredibly interesting if you're into retro games, especially if you'd like to learn about the British gaming scene in the 80s and 90s.

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  58. what ad? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    uBlock + NoScript FTW

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  59. Re:NEVER FORGET that the MSM did this intentionall by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Nobody cares to read the article that you didn't read before you shitposted it.

  60. This brings up a memory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back when Youtube just became available on mobile, when nearly everybody had a flip phone, there was a very limited selection of videos you could watch. Yes, you could search, but most videos would bring up a "this video is not available on mobile" error or something along those lines. I found this incredibly frustrating.

      I'm wondering if the videos that were "available" were the ones that were monetized.

  61. One word - CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go on Youtube and search for 'Sandy Hook crisis actors'. Five years ago, you would get numerous long videos produced by random members of the public, going into detail about why they thought Sandy Hook was a hoax, and showing news footage of the 'parents' failing to cry while talking about their children, who allegedly had been killed just ONE or TWO days earlier. Now all you get in the first two or three pages of results are two or three minute MAINSTREAM MEDIA clips from CNN, ABC, etc. all telling you how awful those people are, who dare to question the official narrative. Who knew? The media is telling us that we mustn't doubt anything they tell us. Okay...

    Now Youtube is turning into a massive censorship platform, where only the 'official' line can be seen. Look at Alex Jones as a classic example.
    Youtube is now constantly pushing the controlled media, which is what we DON'T want to see when we go to Youtube - that's why we go there.
    It's now really hard to find any dissenting videos on there, you have to know the names of the creators you are looking for, most of the time, everything else is hidden under a morass of controlled media bullshit.

  62. Re:NEVER FORGET that the MSM did this intentionall by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    I wish I had mod points to mod you up.

  63. Maybe an independent YT search tool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm surprised there aren't more services offering alternative indexing of YT videos.

    I just googled for such a thing, and found vitascope.tv, which I'd never heard of before.

    Seems to me a service that offers "find the videos you want even if youtube wants to bury them" could be the next thing.

  64. Whats this Youtube? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (I haven't been over there in almost a decade)

  65. Re:NEVER FORGET that the MSM did this intentionall by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

    Again, I not only read it but I was the one who submitted it (along with an associated response video) to slashdot two years ago. You can see my user name attached to that article. It received 920 comments, none of which provided any evidence to the contrary, whereas plenty of slashdotters looked at the same articles and watched the same videos and came to the same conclusions I did.

    It is common knowledge that Youtube's policies changed as a direct result of this incident. But please, don't let that stand in the way of your own brainless shitposting.