Slashdot Mirror


Andrew Yang Plans To Use a 3D Hologram For Remote Campaigning (nymag.com)

Andrew Yang, the presidential candidate who supports Universal Basic Income and has attracted a devoted online following, is planning to use a 3D hologram on the campaign trail. "On Wednesday he gave the #YangGang, which is what his supporters call themselves, their first look at it," reports New York Magazine. From the report: The hologram's debut came on TMZ Live, which showed a video of Yang's hologram performing a duet alongside a hologram of his "hero," Tupac. "I was doing a demo of what a hologram would consist of in order to send the hologram of me to campaign in Iowa or other battleground states," he said.

Last month, Yang spoke about his hologram plans with Iowa newspaper, The Carroll Daily Times Herald. "We are exploring rolling a truck out that would enable someone to see a hologram of me that is three-dimensional give my stump speech," Yang told the paper. "And, also, if I were in a studio, which we could set up very easily, I could beam in and take questions live." Yang also told the paper that he plans to use hologram technology to remind voters that "it is 2019, and soon it will be 2020, and things are changing."

156 comments

  1. yang my wang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yang it real good

    1. Re: yang my wang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suck my balls BeauHD.

      You promote the narcissistic idiot that gives everyone free stuff without being able to pay for it while promoting conspiracy theories about the properly elected guy who has made everyone's lives better by attempting to bring the jobs back.

    2. Re: yang my wang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Slashdot push polls are coming next.

    3. Re: yang my wang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fake meme lord will be forgotten in 12 months

    4. Re:yang my wang by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      I suppose the "hologram" could come out and to get the crowd warmed up...go into a snappy rendition of :

      "Everybody have fun tonight...."

      "Everyone Yang Chung tonight...."

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    5. Re: yang my wang by javaman235 · · Score: 1

      Lol. Made even better when Yang reveals the hologram of him is actually a product of DeepMind AI, and he was never actually campaigning, just making his point about automation replacing jobs by replacing himself!

      I like Yang. Heâ(TM)s a capitalist making points about where this game with AI will end, and heâ(TM)s right.

      --
      -The art of programming is the pursuit of absolute simplicity.
  2. Reminds me of a Woody Allen's "Sleeper" by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Instead of the Nose he can campaign as the Yang.

    1. Re:Reminds me of a Woody Allen's "Sleeper" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      isn't that the guy who fucked his daughter?

    2. Re:Reminds me of a Woody Allen's "Sleeper" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yang or Allen?

    3. Re:Reminds me of a Woody Allen's "Sleeper" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yang

    4. Re:Reminds me of a Woody Allen's "Sleeper" by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Adopted, but yes

    5. Re:Reminds me of a Woody Allen's "Sleeper" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Allen married his ex-girlfriend's adopted daughter, so no relation at all.

  3. Not a 3D hologram by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A projection on a transparent screen is not a hologram.

  4. Universal basic income doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Universal basic income doesn't work - Yang is an idiot.

    1. Re:Universal basic income doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holograms don't work either. What a fool.

    2. Re:Universal basic income doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your evidence for that is?

    3. Re: Universal basic income doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Automation is a gigantic issue that literally only one candidate is considering in any serious way. UBI will definitely have problems associated with it, but at least it's an attempt.

    4. Re:Universal basic income doesn't work by Zorton · · Score: 0

      Say you issue a UBI to everyone that amounts to 10% of their income. Everybody now has a "free" 10% boost. Congratulations you have now inflated the currency by 10%. When dodging pitchforks, a duck and weave motion may be best.

      The next logical step usually is price controls to 'hold down inflation" which leads to shortages of products and consuming of your pets in the end.

    5. Re:Universal basic income doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Inflation is evil" is a meme. Rich guys don't like inflation because they want deflation and sit on their asses and earn even more money by doing nothing. Even though antisemitic memes that Jews are responsible for inflation are circulated. This is bullshit since inflation benefits debtors and deflation benefits creditors.

    6. Re:Universal basic income doesn't work by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Yes, holograms work.

      What this guy is using, however, is not a hologram.

      I've seen real holograms, and they are utterly amazing.

    7. Re: Universal basic income doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not how UBI works - it isn't a 'free 10%'. Let's say UBI is $500 a month. If you earn $5000 a month then income tax rates get tweaked to essentially cancel the $500 out. The people getting $500 largely end up being those who were going to get $500 in welfare anyway, but now the cost of that to administer is $1 rather than $100.

      For most people UBI makes no difference apart from reducing overall administration costs. For those on low incomes a few might be happy with $500 and no work rather than some work and $750, but probably not that many.

    8. Re:Universal basic income doesn't work by Zorton · · Score: 1

      To be honest, I would rather the currency was pegged to something hard to gather. As for the antisemitic meme stuff, I didn't mention anything in that vein, you did. Try your macro somewhere else were the context makes more sense.

  5. How is he getting so much attention? by aicrules · · Score: 2

    Someone explain that please....

    1. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The media is heavily biased and pushes every random leftist.

      We've been getting fluff pieces for that Pete Buttgag guy all the way in goddamn Germany.

    2. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes he really knows how to fluff.

    3. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Shareblue AstroTurf. This idiot is their answer to Trump.

    4. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He doesn't want to grab women by the pussy nor places his hands on them with uncomfortable hugs and uncomfortable kisses. He's pushing for leftist ideas that as a platform represent more of what the public says they want than most other platforms even bother to discuss--honestly, 99% of people don't care about immigration except as a reaction to politicians making it an issue, yet that's the discussion of the day that's used to wedge people for votes. He's pretty calm and rational in speech, and he seems not only willing but capable of listening to views he doesn't agree with and discussing why those views should either change or otherwise are incorrect.

      Or as a lot of Democrats and Republicans would put it, he's some sort of left wing fanatical elitist and whtever you do don't look at the man behind the curtain that is our dog and pony show masquerading as political discourse. Now get back over here and be enraged and focus on the stuff we tell you that's important even though no matter the outcome it has about zero effect on your lives! The last thing we want you to do is focus on real change where failure to deliver gives good reason to fire us or for which if the legislation succeeds but the results aren't what was expected we might lose because are ideals are proven wrong!

    5. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A need to distract from other projections without substance?

    6. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      He's the only candidate promoting the only realistic patch on capitalism. If you want capitalism to continue supporting our population, we're gonna need UBI. Otherwise, we need something other than capitalism, or we're gonna have to kill off a whole lot of people. And the targets are gonna be you and me, since we're not part of the 1%.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    7. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by cayenne8 · · Score: 0

      ...99% of people don't care about immigration except as a reaction to politicians making it an issue...

      Tell that to those folks living on the border states that are being overrun by the ever growing influx of illegals coming across the border.

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    8. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      He's the only candidate promoting the only realistic patch on capitalism.

      Umm no UBI is about as far away from free market exchange as you can get. Also we more or less already have a means tested version of it in the form of the EIT (earned income tax credit). Given the failure of that to solve all of our problems, I think the claim that UBI somehow would requires some extraordinary evidence. You can make some no-true-scottsman arguments about EIT but the reality UBI has been tried and more or less exists now and doubling down on it isn't going to make it work any better.

      If you want capitalism to continue supporting our population, we're gonna need UBI.

      Hmm capitalism has proven it can support a larger population than economic system in place before it ever has. Every single claim population bomb, chicken little sky is falling prediction has been wrong; why should this time be different?

       

      Otherwise, we need something other than capitalism, or we're gonna have to kill off a whole lot of people.

      Nope Nope and Nope. The birthrate in the most capitalistic parts of the world is already below the replacement rate. Malthus is thoroughly debunked now.

      And the targets are gonna be you and me, since we're not part of the 1%.

      I don't know what to say to this, other than stop watching quite so much MSNBC.

      --
      Repeal the 17th Amendment TODAY! Also Please Read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
    9. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a sad level of opinions you have.

    10. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Because he is talking about something. . .ANYTHING. . . other than reparations?

      --
      Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
      Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
    11. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      The problem with his leftism is that the idea that two people acting in good faith can look at the same set of facts and reach different conclusions has gone from unspoken assumption to exotic claim. People arenâ(TM)t just wrong on this or that issue: Theyâ(TM)re morally flawed. They donâ(TM)t have bad politics: Theyâ(TM)re bad people. You actually find college professors and politicians using Nazi analogies to attack people who disagree with them on mundane points of policy.

      --
      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    12. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You can make some no-true-scottsman arguments about EIT but the reality UBI has been tried and more or less exists now

      EITC and UBI are fundamentally different as you get UBI whether or not you earn anything.

      Hmm capitalism has proven it can support a larger population than economic system in place before it ever has.

      Agreed.

      Every single claim population bomb, chicken little sky is falling prediction has been wrong; why should this time be different?

      Every one before has been the same. This one is fundamentally different because it attacks the class of jobs that the people who've lost their jobs traditionally defected to.

      Otherwise, we need something other than capitalism, or we're gonna have to kill off a whole lot of people.

      Nope Nope and Nope. The birthrate in the most capitalistic parts of the world is already below the replacement rate.

      You don't understand the argument. If people don't have jobs, and they don't have UBI, then they're just going to be problems to be disposed of.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    13. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh look, a commie weirdo.

    14. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...99% of people don't care about immigration except as a reaction to politicians making it an issue...

      Tell that to those folks living on the border states that are being overrun by the ever growing influx of illegals coming across the border.

      Nobody on the border has ever been overrun by illegal immigrants. Not figuratively and certainly not literally.

    15. Re:How is he getting so much attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with his leftism is that the idea that two people acting in good faith can look at the same set of facts and reach different conclusions has gone from unspoken assumption to exotic claim.

      One, "his leftism" doesn't AFAIK include that. Two, "leftism" in general doesn't include that any more than "rightism". Three, both Republicans and Democrats, who are not generally actually left or right, aren't interested in facts, don't reach conclusions, and simply work to present a narrative that creates a dichotomy of "them" vs "us" so you can continue to root for "us" against "them" regardless of how much you even agree with the narrative. You're actually doing precisely this invoking "them" (college professors and politicians) instead of actually presenting what he has said or done. In fact, the whole point of his platform is to push for a lot of changes which, like I originally stated, represent testable (either in success of enacting or success in outcomes) things which would be harder to twist simply into a narrative but would instead leave much more room for voters to actually come to their own conclusion rather than simply voting for their team.

      Sorry. Please try harder to actually be part of the discussion.

  6. Is this what it means by phone it in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also sounds really boring.

  7. That won't work by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "This guy is so elitist he can't even be bothered to leave his comfy studio and come out here and speak to us in person? I'm sure as hell not voting for him."

    --
    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    1. Re: That won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So elitist he probably doesn't even have a body. He's calling you from inside the computer. (His brain is in a computer.)

    2. Re: That won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be awesome if he had a headless Agnew carry around his head in jar like in Futurama.

    3. Re:That won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This guy is so elitist he can't even be bothered to leave his comfy studio and come out here and speak to us in person? I'm sure as hell not voting for him."

      Yep, that's how it comes across to me as well. Remember how Clinton lost some of those "in the bag" states that she didn't bother to physically visit?

    4. Re: That won't work by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      That would be awesome if he had a headless Agnew carry around his head in jar like in Futurama.

      He could pay the UBI in Nixonbucks!

      --
      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    5. Re:That won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't help that he's just another unoriginal copycat: piggybacks on the Tupac hologram and regurgitates the old and tired "Change!" rhetoric.

    6. Re:That won't work by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only people who have never heard of "television" would make such an argument.

    7. Re:That won't work by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      That was the second thing I thought of.
      The first thing I thought of, was "..he's for UBI? Well that excludes him from serious consideration, he's obviously either delusional or wants to destroy the United States".

      UBI won't work. Period. Why? Look at how rich kids, who have never had to work a day in their lives, being handed everything gratis, act: entitled, spoiled, lazy ('work' would be a totally alien concept to them), despotic. Now imagine a low-rent version of that. That's what the fist generation raised in a world of UBI would be like. We'd ruin the country, we'd ruin entire generations of kids. Nope, nope, nope.

    8. Re:That won't work by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Only people who have no concept of 'respect' would say what you just said.
      If you're going to make 'public appearances' to get people's votes, then you have to make a public appearance, not mock them by sending a 'hologram'.
      If he can't be bothered to make the effort then why should anyone believe he'll make the effort as POTUS either?
      Won't happen anyway. UBI is a dark Pipe Dream, that alone guarantees his failure.

    9. Re:That won't work by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      "What the hell is a "television"??! (spoken in valley talk speak) - some millennial.

      --
      Life is not for the lazy.
    10. Re:That won't work by Junta · · Score: 1

      If this is 'instead of making them watch a television screen like my opponents, they can see a nicer thing', that's one thing.

      But he's going to be going to be up against people actually bothering to show up.

      It may be silly, but actually getting to be in person is still considered important to prove that the candidate thinks enough of the people to show up. A lot of voters would react just like the parent post said, 'screw this elitist and his hologram' is a likely reaction among people that would normally care about a local rally happening.

      --
      XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
    11. Re:That won't work by Junta · · Score: 1

      I'm skeptical as well, but I don't think UBI would be 'free ride' but rather 'barely survivable when augmented by some sort of job or meager savings'.

      --
      XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
    12. Re:That won't work by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      UBI won't work. Period. Why? Look at how rich kids, who have never had to work a day in their lives, being handed everything gratis, act: entitled, spoiled, lazy ('work' would be a totally alien concept to them), despotic. Now imagine a low-rent version of that. That's what the fist generation raised in a world of UBI would be like. We'd ruin the country, we'd ruin entire generations of kids. Nope, nope, nope.

      No, and communism actually proves that doesn't happen. Yes, communism.

      First off, UBI provides just the basics. The basics (food, shelter) aren't terrific - and while there will probably be people who don't mind living like that, ask anyone on welfare today that they'd like to move out of their squalor, if the system wasn't so biased against them (clawbacks and such making it if you work, you don't get anywhere). This is where UBI differs since it doesn't clawback and it turns out, people want to work. Sure it might be nice to sit around all day watching TV, but it turns out the vast majority of people can't live like that - they'll go stir crazy.

      Plus, like I said, basics. People want more.; Perhaps you like living in a single room apartment, with shared living spaces and kitchen and bathrooms, but work a little bit to upgrade yourself to a private apartment with all that to yourself is a huge upgrade. Or maybe you want to live in a standalone house with a white picket fence. Your UBI freebie money won't be enough to pay the rent for that, let alone own it.

      And you probably want a car, or some sort of enhanced transportation options.

      Spoiled rich kids do all sorts of crazy things, but they've got the resources to do so. They don't have to work, because everything they could want, they can have. But if you want that private kitchen and bathroom you've got to work for it, and it turns out, people actually do.

      And why I said communism proves it? It's the biggest downfall of the system - with the central planning giving everyone the same thing, they're squelching the human desire for more. When you and everyone else has the same apartment, you can bet someone wants one that's bigger, on a higher or lower floor, or has air conditioning, or whatever. It's human nature. And that's where discontent sets in.

    13. Re:That won't work by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      *weary sigh* listen buddy it won't work plain and simple, basic arithmetic will show it'll bankrupt the country in the first year or two that on top of everything else I've ever said shows it just will not work I wish you people would just accept reality and more on, please?

    14. Re:That won't work by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Only people who have no concept of 'respect' would say what you just said.

      That's not all. I don't understand "what is going on in the news" and I'm not "likeable" and I don't "get along with people" and when I go to work I don't "make eye contact" and I don't "wear the latest clothes" and when I sweat I don't "shower" and I "make babies cry.".

      Oh sorry, I didn't get to see the rest of your comment since I was so distracted by the ad-homimem attack against me. But please go on to explain why a hologram disrespectful but a a television appearance is not.

  8. And I support a chicken in every pot by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    And I support a chicken in every pot ...

    But anyway, how is this better than a 2D video conference? Or for that matter, just Luddite text?

    1. Re:And I support a chicken in every pot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know, it worked quite well for Melenchon 2 years ago in France. For two weeks media were talking about his hologram instead of talking about the other candidates.
      US is a different market though.

  9. -o- by easyTree · · Score: 1

    "Please state the nature of the medical emergency."

    1. Re:-o- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seven of Nine just tried to assimilate me with her big metal Borg penis. She stained my sheets with nanoprobes. I'm going to have to throw them away because that shiny gray spot is NEVER coming out. You really need to make more effort to remove the parts concealed by the catsuit.

  10. A Chinese supporting redistribution of wealth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you view a population as your extended family, filial piety starts to look a lot like socialism (or, dare I say, I communism).

  11. Simple: He's promising you other people's money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That gets the attention of a lot of people, especially the leftist media.

  12. Black Mirror anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waldo_Moment

    1. Re:Black Mirror anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't that a parody of Trump? (Reads wiki. Ah yes, right at the bottom, several references saying "This is EXACTLY what Trump is.")

    2. Re:Black Mirror anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The episode first aired on 25 February 2013, so you'd be more accurate if you said that Trump's candidacy & presidency is a parody of Waldo.

  13. Running mate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is Hatsune Miku going to appear alongside him as his holographic running mate?

  14. Emaphasis. Holoviz by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Right. It grates on me when they call it a hologram.
    Why can't they come up with something equally sexy sounding.
    On the other hand if it gets people excited about holography and "Science" then that's not a bad thing even if it's a misunderstanding.

    The trouble is real holograms will be a lot more disappointing! A real holgogram will have a quality will be way lower yet the net effect will for practical stage purposes be identical to the audience.

    But why not call it holoviz or something just a little different.

    --
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
    1. Re:Emaphasis. Holoviz by mark-t · · Score: 1

      It grates on me when they refer to this stuff as holograms as well.

      The notion that a hologram is any image which somehow appears to be hovering in real 3D space, and is basically nothing more than an illusion which was invented in the 1860's, is something that has been perpetuated by the media and pop culture recently, and quite honestly, it actually kinda pisses me off.

      A hologram is not a two-dimensional image projected onto a sheet of glass hanging in space, nor is it something that simply "looks" like it its three-dimensional, it is an image that actually *IS* three-dimensional... in that when you see if from different angles, you see the image as you would see a physical object at the same angle. When you are close enough to a hologram, the difference between your left eye view and right eye view will be enough that you will perceive real depth, just as if you were looking through a window at some real object just on the other side of it. Technically, a hologram is not even an image at all, but actually just the capturing of a "light field", and when light which is shone on it interacts with that field, it will recreate the image as it originally was when the hologram was made, appearing not simply as a 2-dimensional image, but as three-dimensional one that looks different from different angles just a real object would.

  15. Oh for fuck sakes, that's NOT a hologram by mark-t · · Score: 2

    That technique is over a century old and is referred to as "Pepper's Ghost". It is well established technique used in illusion and other entertainment.

    A hologram is a *THREE* dimensional image, not a two-dimensional one projected onto glass.

    As you move relative to the position of a hologram, your perspective of it changes just as it would if you were to move around an actual 3-dimensional object, and even the differences between what your left eye sees and right eye sees will be different enough at close distances that your brain will tell you you are looking at something with actual depth.

    No so-called "hologram" of Tupac ever did that.

  16. New policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Legalize whatever he is smoking. I want some.

  17. Disappointment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess if you are unfamiliar with the trick it seems kinda cool. But, I can imagine a certain level of disappointment when you pay a bunch of money to see a "hologram" show then realize it's a somewhat higher-tech version of the dining room scene at the Haunted Mansion in Disney World.

    1. Re:Disappointment by mark-t · · Score: 1
      Of course it's a cool optical trick, even when you *DO* know how it works, but my point is that it is categorically *NOT* a hologram.

      A hologram isn't a 2d image that appears to be projected onto something that is otherwise invisible such as glass. It is literally a 3-dimensional image that you will perceive as 3D even when you are right in front of it.

      Looking at a holographic plate with an image in it is like looking through a window at something which is beyond it, where the size of the holographic plate is the size of the window. You get all the parallax effects with a hologram just as you would with real 3-dimensional objects.

  18. Like hillary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump had teams of angry people trying to pin him with something/anything. And? Nothing. NOTHING.

    No collusion, but a metric tonne of leftist bullshit.

    And that is their legacy - no decent policies - just 4 years of 'orange man bad' propaganda and misinformation.

    Which is why they have lost the next election - and rightly so.

    1. Re:Like hillary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't call 50 odd arrests "nothing".

      And the shitshow isn't over just yet.

      If he's so innocent, why hasn't he published the unredacted report?

    2. Re:Like hillary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe. And except for those 300+ other lawsuits, with charges dating back decades... everything from labor violations to contract violation with illegal racial bias in renting, employment of illegal aliens, and breech of sales, etc. And then the whole actual 100% unprecedented and unpresidential conduct of his "private" business against the interests of the United States. The founding fathers would have tared and feathered him the hard way with boiling oil.

    3. Re:Like hillary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump had teams of angry people trying to pin him with something/anything. And?

      Well, for a concrete item, there's the felony campaign finance violation that Cohen got convicted of where the court documents essentially said they would have indicted Trump but won't while he's president.

      The general consensus seems to be that dealing with crimes done by a president is entirely Congress's job, not normal law enforcement. Needless to say, until January, Congress had zero interest in making any attempt to investigate Trump and for procedural reasons they didn't really get started until March. And the Trump administration has been very active in stonewalling documents requests, including possibly violating the law this week by refusing to share Trump's tax returns with Congress.

    4. Re:Like hillary? by magzteel · · Score: 2

      Trump had teams of angry people trying to pin him with something/anything. And?

      Well, for a concrete item, there's the felony campaign finance violation that Cohen got convicted of where the court documents essentially said they would have indicted Trump but won't while he's president.

      Cohen pleaded guilty to avoid more serious unrelated charges. It's very unlikely the payment to Stormy Daniels constituted a campaign finance violation but Mueller wanted Cohen to plead guilty to it to advance the narrative. See https://www.politifact.com/tru... for some discussion on the nuances of this law. Even if it is ultimately determined to be a violation, for something that small the penalty would just be a fine.

    5. Re:Like hillary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he's so innocent, why hasn't he published the unredacted report?

      Because releasing the full report without redaction would violate the privacy of private citizens who were caught up in the investigation just by association.

    6. Re:Like hillary? by aicrules · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      arrests that had absolutely nothing to do with collusion or anything to do with Trump doing anything wrong. HE doesn't get to choose whether it is published or not. He wants it published. And also, you're an anonymous coward and an idiot all in one.

  19. Alt title "How Andrew Yang lost the presidency" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This method won't fly...

  20. I plan on voting for Yang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The +1 growth and +1 industry he promises are something our country really needs right now, not to mention the free perimeter defense at all of our cities. I can deal with the -1 economy.

    1. Re:I plan on voting for Yang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The +1 growth and +1 industry he promises are something our country really needs right now, not to mention the free perimeter defense at all of our cities. I can deal with the -1 economy.

      100 million citizens thought they could "deal" with -1 socialist economies too.

      They were wrong.

  21. This will never happen or end badly. by EnderWiggum · · Score: 1

    Ever see a regular person try to run a powerpoint presentation? What is the success rate? I predict the hologram will never work and/or will fail constantly. It'll make for good entertainment.

  22. Welfare for billionaires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That gets the attention of a lot of people, especially the leftist media.

    It's amazing how you people never bring up "other people's money" when billionaires get local taxpayers to pay for the sports stadiums for their professional ball teams. The taxpayer never sees any benefit for it.

    Or when they tool around in their private jets and get the benefit of taxpayer funded air traffic control and airports.

    And of course the use of the taxpayer funded interstate system that allows them to make their billions.

    But when regular people want some basic single payer healthcare, oh no! "other people's money!" Healthcare is a luxury in the USA. We have the most expensive system that is also the worst performing in the industrialized world. Why? More welfare for the billionaires. They rigged the system so that we have to do business with their ripoff insurance and pharmaceutical companies.

    You know what? If AOC, Sanders, Warren somehow got what they promised for all us, OUR standard of living would go up. Yes, you too.

    But you have been brainwashed by the conservative media (it's ALL controlled by big conservative corporate interests: yes, even MSNBC) that what they want is in your best interests.

    Nope. Wake up! You're being played for a rube.

    1. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      But when regular people want some basic single payer healthcare, oh no! "other people's money!" Healthcare is a luxury in the USA. We have the most expensive system that is also the worst performing in the industrialized world. Why? More welfare for the billionaires. They rigged the system so that we have to do business with their ripoff insurance and pharmaceutical companies.

      You know what? If AOC, Sanders, Warren somehow got what they promised for all us, OUR standard of living would go up. Yes, you too.

      In liberal states, they raise the taxes on the rich to fund these programs. The rich move away and the taxes received goes down. Now you have less money to spread around or you have to raise taxes on the middle class. When they raise taxes on businesses they locate overseas and American jobs are lost. You lower taxes on businesses the jobs come back. If AOC, Sanders and Warren did what they promise, jobs would go overseas and we'd have another recession, or depression if they were really effective. Look what they did with Amazon in NY. There is a reason that Obama had the lowest labor force participation rate ever and Trump has the highest in 50 years.

    2. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the top 3% of taxpayers paid most of the tax, it is actually their own money that is being spent on those things.

    3. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You really went down the rabbit hole quickly on that one. 'All of the billionaires' are not going to leave the United States because of taxes. Full on fear mongering that "we'd have another recession, or depression." You sound like you're trying to parrot Hannity, what a role model. "Socialist programs" do not equate to "socialism." You thinking things like that is a great example of why your public education should have been better funded.

    4. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this billionaire-drain is what always happens! History is full of examples, such as... um... Elbonia, maybe? Moronica? Terabithia...?

      Simple fact: If a billionaire is not contributing to the well-being of a region... then fuck them; they should indeed leave. Good riddance to these societal leeches.

    5. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You know what? If AOC, Sanders, Warren somehow got what they promised for all us, OUR standard of living would go up. Yes, you too.

      Yeah! Just like the 100 million citizens under Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Kim Jong did! The standard of living was amazing under mass socialism!

      Wait, what the fuck do you mean they ALL died?!?

    6. Re: Welfare for billionaires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And perhaps, just perhaps, the United States would be stronger if wealth wasn't so concentrated in a few people then?

    7. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Zorton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Socialist programs" do not equate to "socialism". Double plus redef word think.

    8. Re:Welfare for billionaires by cayenne8 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You know what? If AOC, Sanders, Warren somehow got what they promised for all us, OUR standard of living would go up. Yes, you too.

      Maybe...for about all of a month of so, they the country would be on the precipice of being BROKE.

      Even if you confiscated the entirety of the 1%'s assets, you could not fund all the free stuff AOC and crew are promoting.

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    9. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical bullshit propaganda peddled for billionaires, by millionaires, to convince paupers that the solution to everything is let the billionaires have more and eventually the paupers shall get some. Same idiocy as "the employee's wages are a gift" convinces you that "taxes are theft".

    10. Re:Welfare for billionaires by aicrules · · Score: 0

      You know what? If AOC, Sanders, Warren somehow got what they promised for all us, OUR standard of living would go up. Yes, you too.

      If they got the programs they want we would all be worse off because they ignore the actual impact and cost of implementing those ideas. Sure, if magically the cost of those programs was magically taken care of maybe our standard of living would go up..maybe....still would debate that. But with the actual cost any bump up would be quickly followed by a terrible and much longer drop down. The problem people have with their ideas is that they have no basis to work in reality. THEY ARE STUPID PEOPLE MAKING STUPID CLAIMS. End of story.

    11. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about payroll tax? Afaik you in the US have payroll tax to pay for Social Security, Medicare and then you get "employer-provided healthcare" which is just a private payroll tax rather than a public one. You can replace huge private taxation with equal or lower state or federal taxation, with better health results and lower out of pocket costs.
      That's what it's all about, lower healthcare costs by getting rid of inefficient money grubbing administrators and lawyers and advertisers and waste of physicians' time, although misplaced ideological beliefs akin to cultural poisoning prevent this be realized. Remember, healthcare is not bolshevism : it's also something Otto von Bismarck would do.

    12. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Targon · · Score: 1

      You must have missed that the reason the government has such a large deficit is because the wealthy keep hording their money in banks and offshore accounts and don't spend all that much compared to their income. As such, why give the wealthy tax breaks if the money doesn't go back into the economy in some way, shape, or form?

      Government spending should be seen as an investment, with education being the thing that really does provide the biggest return on investment. Health care and keeping people from getting sick and to minimize time away from work also would be a huge return on investment, except that at the moment Medicare is primarily provided to the retired rather than the workers, so return on investment is relatively low there. Do we get a good return on investment when it comes to the military? Does the US government actually get money when we get involved in all of these wars, or is it going into the pockets of politicians who are corrupt?

    13. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what? If AOC, Sanders, Warren somehow got what they promised for all us, OUR standard of living would go up. Yes, you too.

      Yeah! Just like the 100 million citizens under Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Kim Jong did! The standard of living was amazing under mass socialism!

      Wait, what the fuck do you mean they ALL died?!?

      Oh fuck off...

      They're pitching softball euro inspired policies, not gulags.

      All of western Europe has socialized healthcare.
      And Canada.
      Australia.
      New Zealand.
      Most of Asia and South America.

      All Stalinist hellscapes right?

    14. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      That gets the attention of a lot of people, especially the leftist media.

      It's amazing how you people never bring up "other people's money" when billionaires get local taxpayers to pay for the sports stadiums for their professional ball teams.

      Umm? It's amazing that you pay so little attention. That has been a big issue for conservatives MULTIPLE times, and they complain long and loud about it.

      --
      Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
      Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
    15. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dumbfuck: Having a few socialistic programs to not make us "socialist". Just like having a few feminine features does NOT make a person a "female".

      Learning the grey that lies between the Black and the White is something they should teach in school, as an adjunct to "Critical Thinking".

      Then, dumb asses like you would not be misquoting and bastardizing 1984. It's really too bad your takeaway from it was not any actual understanding, but go ahead and make those deep-sounding memes and quotes. You really sound smart.

    16. Re:Welfare for billionaires by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      It's amazing how you people never bring up "other people's money" when billionaires get local taxpayers to pay for the sports stadiums for their professional ball teams.

      Of course it comes up. Most jurisdictions in the US require a public vote on it. The issue is that _most_ people are idiots. They don't understand that it's just another subsidy. We don't have Capitalism in the US anymore.. We have crony capitalism, corporate welfare, and an addiction to spending money. At every step the Government is engaged in crushing competition and small business.

    17. Re: Welfare for billionaires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In most countries single payed healthcare is simpler and cheaper

    18. Re:Welfare for billionaires by Zorton · · Score: 1

      You really missed the point of 1984. Control of the language is thought control which was kind of the whole point he was trying to get across.

      All this from the human who won't even put a name to his words on a public forum.

  23. Shall we just call him Big Brother now? by GregMmm · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, he'll take care of you....

  24. Yeah. Taxation is theft. Government is the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude. Name your foe: Government.

    You are angry that people's resources are being taken from them, against their will, at the point of a gun, in order to fund someone else's stupid ideas.

    Taxation is theft. Accept it.

  25. We ain't one-at-a-timin' this campaign boys! by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Holograms delivered to every state on demand for a day of town halls around the country?

    Now THAT is mass-communicatiin'!

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  26. Help Me Obi-Wan by Megahard · · Score: 2, Funny

    You're my only demographic.

    --
    I eat only the real part of complex carbohydrates.
    1. Re:Help Me Obi-Wan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      u wIn the intertubz 4 2day

  27. This will work by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    "Hey's he's communicating just like Princess Leia! He must be a man of the people!".

    People think of you as elitist based on what you do. If what you do is appear to them in a hologram but then say even the poorest should get $1k/month as basic pay, that sure doesn't come off as elitist no matter how he arrives speaks to them. Pretty easily people can see that being able to talk to groups from many states in a day via a fancy FaceTime, is way less elitist than flying around the country by private jet.

    Plus it's not like the rich are using holograms everywhere, so there's no basis for claiming he's elitist by using one - just smart.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:This will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bread and circuses is the tried and true method for elites to keep the masses under control

  28. Tupac for President. by geekmux · · Score: 1

    "We are exploring rolling a truck out that would enable someone to see a hologram of me that is three-dimensional give my stump speech,"

    Yeah, or you could just make a YouTube video like normal people do for your "stump speech" instead of pissing money away on pseudo-hologram bullshit. Way to demonstrate fiscal responsibility. I'm sure everyone will benefit with you leading the UBI efforts.

    Yang also told the paper that he plans to use hologram technology to remind voters that "it is 2019, and soon it will be 2020, and things are changing."

    Just because it's almost 2020 doesn't mean getting out there and greeting people in person is an outdated concept, but hey don't let me stop you from digging your own grave. At least you'll be livestreaming your own demise. That should be somewhat entertaining.

    The hologram's debut came on TMZ Live, which showed a video of Yang's hologram performing a duet alongside a hologram of his "hero," Tupac.

    His "hero", is Tupac? Yeah, I'm fucking done here. Hope 300 million citizens are too.

    1. Re:Tupac for President. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tupac Amaru II is my hero too. Never heard of the rapper before.

      Oh, and 9/11 was a controlled demolition. AE911Truth Org

  29. his "hero" is a convicted rapist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Some choice of hero you've got there. Picking Tupac Shakur, a convicted rapist as your hero. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

    1. Re:his "hero" is a convicted rapist by iggymanz · · Score: 0

      wouldn't expect much from someone who supports Universal Basic Income, that's making irresponsible able-bodied adults into parasites on my dime.

    2. Re:his "hero" is a convicted rapist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And where did your "dime" come from?

      The United States Treasury under the authority of the United States of America.

      Congress can decide to do with money however it wishes. It isn't "your dime". It is a unit of political power that is distributed by the ruling sovereignty for the purposes of the common good.

      Money does not grow on trees, contrary to the belief of people like yourself.

    3. Re:his "hero" is a convicted rapist by spacec0w · · Score: 1

      While mostly mentioned by left-leaning politicians you should be aware that in its simplest form it would be a move to essentially dismantle the welfare state. The idea is that UBI replaces welfare, which would be eliminating millions of public positions and wasteful burocracy, thus saving money overall. Besides, I think once the right catches on it can be used as a tool to justify poverty even more than it is now, because we will all be able to smugly know that everyone on the street is receiving this same amount of money. So if they waste it, it's on them. No goverment or anyone else to blame. As to whether it would make people more lazy, sure, probably a little. What I think it would definitely do is eliminate or force higher salaries on the worst jobs, which might not be a bad thing. Then another thing probably would that this weird class of junkies who will have to crowd into small apartments to save on money will kind of spring up. I'm sure there will be tons of odd unintended consequences. But you should think about it a little more, it's obviously a lot more complicated than it seems you think. I think the right can and some day will push for it as well, but just with different motives.

  30. Re: Yeah. Taxation is theft. Government is the pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That simplistic view ignores all of the 18th and 19th century history of robber barons. Look at literally any society with a weak government and capitalism and you get giant monopolies exploiting people to the point of death. This isn't too say this doesn't happen under other systems, but a weak or nonexistent government which isn't beholden to the people is a death sentence for anyone who isn't in a position of power.

  31. I know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The USA is a Republic, not a democracy. The policies Bernie Sanders are pushing are Social Democratic (think Germany) not Democratic Socialism. Kirk says "Beam me up Scott" not "Beam me up Scotty". Darth Vader says "No, I am your father", not "Luke, I am your father".

    1. Re:I know by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Actually, Kirk says "Scotty, Beam me up" in ST4, and in one episode of TOS he just said "Beam me up".

  32. Re:Simple: He's promising you other people's money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Virtually all money is created by banks, under authority of the US government. It's not "other people's money". All money is created by Congress, or by banks. How it is distributed has been, since the country was founded, ultimately an issue of public policy. In particular, banks were allowed to fail so they did not make stupid capital allocation decisions.

    https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/working-paper/2018/banks-are-not-intermediaries-of-loanable-funds-facts-theory-and-evidence

  33. His UBI Concepts by turp182 · · Score: 1

    Include things like:
    1. Holographic food
    2. Holographic housing
    3. Holographic money

    I mean, if you're going to go holographic, you need to go all in.

    --
    BlameBillCosby.com
  34. The "Robber Barons" were creatures of Government! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learn you some Truth about the Robber Barons.

    Besides, why doesn't your mistrust (or even loathing) of a voluntarily grown monopoly extend to government, which is even worse: A violently imposed monopoly? You are proposing that we should rely on a violently imposed monopoly (government) to save us from a voluntarily grown monopoly; such a position is patently absurd.

    If you apply your ethics and politics to government, you'll see that government itself needs to be busted up, and thrown away; the future of a free society is law by contracts, not law by decree—the future is agreement between individuals in advance of interaction, not the coercive imposition of some blessed, ordained, religiously-revered authoritarian monopoly over the men with guns.

  35. Money is not wealth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By redistributing money, you are redistributing the right of people to decide what to do with society's wealth (provided people continue to use that money to facilitate their choices).

    In a free society, money is distributed according to voluntary interaction; there's a reason a doctor gets paid more than a paperboy. A government, then, is naturally opposed to a free society—a government uses violence (or the threat of violence) to force people to allocate society's resources in one way or another, and socialists want to use that violence to force people to pretend that a paperboy is worth more than he is (and that a doctor is worth less than he is).

    1. Re: Money is not wealth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because all we are worth is our output in widgets? How reductionist and limited in ambition that concept is. 'my dear wife, your production of children has not met expectations thus year so I'm going to have to let you go'

  36. Douchbag says what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is this douche?

    EDIT: CAPTCHA is "governed"!

  37. Wrong thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should be using this technology for its intended purpose. Porn.

    Remote 3D super realistic porn.

    Interactive touch-enabled porn.

  38. Re: Yeah. Taxation is theft. Government is the pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope the fire department lets your house burn down.

  39. I don't rely on bodybuilders in a giant red truck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I built my home with fire-retardant materials, and fire thwarting engineering, including a sprinkler system system; I did this not only because it's smart, but because my home insurance company gave me an enormous reduction in the premium as a result.

    Government is useless. Don't need 'em. In fact, the local government's fire depart is in financial crisis for lack of good management, which is another good reason for not relying on them. I mean, FFS, their method of fire mitigation hasn't fundamentally improved since Croesus of Rome.

  40. Re:Simple: He's promising you other people's money by Zorton · · Score: 0, Troll

    This sums up the central problem, promises of "free stuff because you deserve it" will always win against the core idea of "work hard and you will see rewards in the end". Nah, i'll just sign up for the "free stuff" train, they have holograms and hip young candidates who do IAMA's on reddit.

  41. Re: Yeah. Taxation is theft. Government is the pro by Zorton · · Score: 1

    Actually, they do here in Alaska. Some communities are so far outside the "fire service" area it isn't practical to respond to every call. Other's choose not to pay the taxes and the fire services will only respond if there is someone in the house, and the likely give you a nice bill. I had a friend who saw one of his neighbors houses go up in this exact way, he called the "local" fire department and reported the fire, they asked if anyone was home and when he said no, they told him to let it burn. The main concern was neighboring structures and forest fires since no lives were in danger.

  42. Care and feeding of news outlets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    News outlets need more candidates - more candidates means more words written about the campaign - more advertising and all the rest of the usual path they follow

    How is this surprising?

    Expect a Candidate X is surging in the polls news story soon when they go from 1% to 3% because the news media needs a horse race.

    For the Republicans, it will be all 'falling apart campaigns' and red meat news coverage.

  43. In a free society, billionaires are contributing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    A billionaire is, by definition, contributing to a region.

    A billionaire is the conduit through which much wealth is generated for society, through jobs, through innovations, etc. Even if that billionaire merely inherits his wealth, then he's either going to lose the wealth through a playboy life, or he's going to be the conduit through which learned money-managers allocate resources to productive activities.

    Government TAKES wealth; it does not MAKE wealth; in a free market, where the economic activity is voluntary, that billionaire has literally proven himself to be productive to society. In contrast, your precious taxmen have proved nothing of themselves, other than the fact that they are adept at robbing people.

    Your whole position seems to be dependent on the idea that the people who run governments are made of finer clay than the rest of us. Not only is history replete with counter evidence of that fact (after all, it's easier to force people to do something at the point of a gun than it is to convince them to do something voluntarily, such as buy your product), but I've got news for you: Smart, industrious, productive people who generate wealth for society (you know, those people who become billionaires) do not aspire to work in government; a government is never filled with society's best, but rather it's filled with people who depend on being able to decree their income regardless of their objectively poor performance.

    And, when do billionaires become a problem? They become a problem when a government corrupts them—when billionaires get tired of being actually productive, and seek to buy some of a government's authoritarian power to force people to pay for their products instead; as always, the real problem is government; the real problem is a cultural reverence for a monopoly on the men with guns.

  44. How can you tell the difference? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Neither one has a chance.

    --
    -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
    1. Re:How can you tell the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all "up in the air"

  45. Hologram trucks a minor French invention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Have a look at this web page. By the way I can't see what's "3D" in there. We don't need to care about "3D" or "hologram", the person shows up and the talk and convictions matter!

    https://lafranceinsoumise.fr/operation471/

  46. "I wish we had more productive people." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're just lamenting the fact that most people are a relatively unproductive drag; you're just wishing that there existed more people who are intelligent, industrious, thoughtful, planning generators of wealth.

    Well, that's my fantasy, too. Unfortunately, redistributing wealth at the point of a gun ain't gonna make that fantasy a reality.

    In a free society, there is inequality, because the most productive people end up exactly where they should be: At the top!

    1. Re: "I wish we had more productive people." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unproductive, yet productivity has gone up. Hmmm.

  47. Supply and Demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe the supply of paupers is too large...

  48. Re:In a free society, billionaires are contributin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    blah blah blah

    Billionaires have their own authoritarian power and get some more via media ownership, lobbyism, ownership of weapons manufacturers etc.

  49. Re:In a free society, billionaires are contributin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...he's going to be the conduit through which learned money-managers allocate resources to productive activities."
    This assumes all money managers make money through ways that are beneficial to the society as a whole?
    There are many ways of making money that really have no value to society at all (Martin Shkreli comes to mind as one example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Shkreli ).
      "And, when do billionaires become a problem? They become a problem when a government corrupts them—when billionaires get tired of being actually productive, and seek to buy some of a government's authoritarian power to force people to pay for their products instead..."
    Has the government corrupted Peter Thiel or is his corruption just inherent in humans?
    “Competition is for Losers” -Peter Thiel

  50. Re:In a free society, billionaires are contributin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Government TAKES wealth; it does not MAKE wealth;

    This is just unsubstantiated unadulterated bullshit. It's magical thinking. Ridiculous and baseless.

    Two examples :
    1) a government builds a Hoover dam. Is no wealth created?
    2) a company like Comcast gets $50/month from 100 million people and sit on their asses doing nothing. Is wealth created?

  51. Re:Simple: He's promising you other people's money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Governments print money but they must stay within certain limits due to the Law Of Diminishing Marginal Utility and the very real risk that they lose the faith of the population. If they lose the faith of the population the currency goes into hyperinflation.

  52. Re:The "Robber Barons" were creatures of Governmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The conclusion of the article from your link has holes because it is quite bias. Why? Because it pointed out only bad things happened from one side and only good things from the other side. Possibly, the author couldn't think out of the box because the author is deep into his own bias.

    There is no such "all good" in either completely trust in government or no government at all. Why? Because we are humans, and at least one among us will always look for a way to exploit a situation in order to benefit the one. The link you gave shows how the other side is being exploited by certain group of people, but never mentioned anything about how his side could exploit the situation when it favors his side.

    To me, you need to give a benefit of the doubt to both sides and try to be in the middle. It is not easy or trivial to find a fine line where it is too much on either side, but it is not impossible. Though, it also depends on who is in charge and majority of the followers.

  53. That's not what "authoritarian" means. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freedom is Slavery, right?

  54. Re:I don't rely on bodybuilders in a giant red tru by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

    Let me know how all that shit works out when there's a gas main explosion in your basement, or a plane falls out of the sky and destroys your precious over-thought out coffin.

    Nah, you don't need those Chippendale's in Helmets! Nor the Gov't, all those laws are for suckers!!`!~

    Oh, and I would say the Jaws of Life are a significant improvement over ancient Roman firefighting techniques.

    Idiot.

    --
    -- You are in a maze of little, twisty passages, all different... --
  55. Competition is Cooperation to find the solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no such thing as Intelligent Design; there is only evolution by variation and selection.

    There are a lot of problems in society, and nobody knows their solutions; there are a lot of problems in society that nobody even knows about, and they definitely don't know the solutions to those.

    In a free society, when people compete, they are cooperating to find workable solutions; from the decentralized activity of the market, solutions emerge, often without people even realizing that they are emerging, or without people even realizing that a problem needed to be solved. May the best participant win, and thereby show us the way (at least for now).

  56. Then there's no need for taxation, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because a government can generate wealth, it has no need to take people's resources at the point of a gun.

    Hell, we can dispense with the market altogether—just think of the savings society will enjoy by removing the overhead of competition, allowing the angelic geniuses in government to command us all from on high!

  57. Government is explicitly coercion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to think about what a "government" is.

    The United States is a government; a monarchy is a government; a warlord is a government; the Kim regime of North Korea is a government; the Ayatollah of Iran heads a government.

    I, for one, am not going to give the Kim regime the benefit of the doubt.

    Is the local barbershop a government? Is Walmart a government? If one of these organizations does engage in coercive activity, is that coercion actually just outsourced to a government (and, thus, should such coercion be blamed instead on that government)?

    What does "voluntary" mean, anyway? What does "law" mean? If you sign a contract that says you get to drive a car as long as you make payments to a certain organization every month, does that mean that I also have to make such payments? Is your separate obligation to make payments a kind of law? Are you existing under a different law than I am? Is it possible to view the collection of contracts between individuals as emergent law? Would it be better to forego law by legislation (that is, law by decree) in favor of law by contracts, at least as much as possible?

    Is the enforcement of a contract a service? If so, should such a service be subject to the rules of the market like any other service, or should there be a magical, ordained, blessed monopoly on enforcement activities (e.g., a government)? Is competition among enforcers a better way to implement a separation of powers? Are competing nation-states viewable as competing enforcers? Are nation states actually an example of entities that have existed in total anarchy, and does that prove that anarchy is not without order? Has the world gotten better or worse as those nation-states have approached ever more robust contractual obligations to one another? Actually, who enforces those obligations, anyway?

    Is society the one thing in this universe that should be Intelligently Designed, or must it too be subjected to Evolution by Variation and Selection? What is the most robust and humane form of evolution by variation and selection? Law by contracts?

    Society is composed of individuals; those individuals can be grouped into organizations. What is it about this organization or that organization that allows you to call it "government"? Why can you so comfortably and confidently talk about "sides", as though it all makes sense?

  58. You mad bro? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You jelly?

    1. Re:You mad bro? by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      No I am not insane, and yes, I love Jelly on toast.

      English much?

      --
      -- You are in a maze of little, twisty passages, all different... --
  59. What a coincidence! by ChatHuant · · Score: 1

    Andrew Yang Plans To Use a 3D Hologram For Remote Campaigning

    I was just planning to use a 3D hologram for remote jeering!

  60. TV ad campaign by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

    So Yang is launching a TV ad campaign, only, if you want to see it, you have to leave your home & go to a specific place at a specific time to watch it... & Yang might even be watching you watching the ad & then answer some questions on Skype/Facetime.

    Yeah, I'm sure it'll catch on.

    --
    Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
  61. Yeah, you jelly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So jelly.

  62. Bold.. by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    I think he's a bold person with a very optimistic view. How he thinks he could ever be a president of the US is beyond me, but I hope he succeeds.. The biggest problem he has, is being asian.. And with the US already trying to block a lot of chinese companies (in the media) it will just make people wonder if Yang isn't a puppet for the chinese goverment (no, they don't even think about where he's actually born, he looks like one so he is one, for a lot of people).. And ofcourse I don't think a lot of democrats don't want him in the chair either..
    But agian, I hope he succeeds, it would mean a completely different direction as Trump is going.

  63. why vote by renegade600 · · Score: 1

    why vote for someone who don't care enough to be there in person?

  64. You people are cruel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Giving this jerk the idea that he has any sort of creditable chance is just cruel, when we all know he is just your date to the "pig party" so you can make fun of him. You should be ashamed.

  65. respect for individual == opposition to taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Value is in the eye of the beholder. That's why taxation is theft.

  66. Okies, who is the warmup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Hitsune Miku-chan? That will get the otaku's to vote!