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dhs.org In Beta
TC writes "It looks like Domain Host Services (created by three former members of ml.org) is in beta test mode. I signed up for my name this morning and it is active now. It's a free service like ml.org was. They won't be getting the ml.org domain however :(. "
I only heard about this service after ml.org was shutdown, so I can't seem to find any info on it. What exactly did it do?
Hi there, I've got a couple of questions regarding abuse that I would like answered.
1) I have heard of this happenning, and incidentally had this happen to a friend of mine. It was a simple matter in the past for a person to email monolith and say "Hi this person has been spam emailing me" and poof, the domain name disappears. Are you going to be able to fully check out any allegations, as opposed to just jumping into the fray with guns blazing?
2) Wouldn't it be easier to offer everything *except* the dyndns service, and then offer software out to people who have static domains with dhs.org, so they can offer the dynamic dns service? From all the problems I kept hearing about it before, and all the huge abuses of it (warez/porn losers etc), seems to me it'd be better to let others offer services like this.
3) Would you ever be charging a fee for the static domains?
Lastly, I'd just like to say, lots of luck with this, I hope you do alot better than ml.org did.
Oh, come on. I hate NSI and their self-imposed monopoly as much as the next guy, but you can't bash them for being slow. Every change I ever made, save one, has been processed in less than 24 hours, and usually in less than three hours. So what if you have to wait a day for their database to be re-run? My named.* changes take longer than that to propogate... :)
Give them a break. ML may have a lot of hosts, but imagine how many entries NSI has.
-Chris
tsi@perigee.net
well, i submitted the fact that i have a beta version of the same thing, like 3 months ago. it was all setup, and waiting, and the only reason i never finished (dyn and static work, but athome *was under devel) is because no one looked at it. i guess i didn't have .ml.org to post mine on their site. it was a joke anyway though.
dante@schlut.org
i;m not anon, just lazy.
ODS is alive and well, but we do not have ods.org anymore.
We are almost done with a new version of all our services, which should be easier to use, faster, and more reliable -- should be up in a week or so.
We are moving servers in a few days, so we may be down then, but we shouldn't be down for long.
Until then, you can see our old (too old) site at www.dyn.nu -- just remember in a week the site will be replaced by a much much better one.
Thanks, Randy.
randygar@jps.net
I probably should point out that current users won't carry over to the new version of ODS, so you will probably want to wait a week before signing up.
:-)
Also, we don't want to slashdot our current server just yet.
Thanks, Randy.
randygar@jps.net
I was browsing through DHS.org's pages, and noticed they didn't say anything about offering DYNDNS, DNS Service or URL Forwarding on second level domains. So it seems like people would be stuck using .dhs.org or what ever other domains they register. Currently I use Nikhlino Online Systems, they offer DYNDNS, DNS Service, and URL Forwarding for any domain that can be pointed to their DNS servers.
They are very affordable and have never went down on me. I really enjoy their services, and they have prompt quick
Yes, I know that ml.org is gone, and what I'm wondering is why, and why none of the ml.org people are willing to comment on it, and why they're not willing to transfer the domain or even to endorse a successor service. What happened?
BTW, ODS is also open-source, and, in about a week, will have the source available for download.
It does use MySQL as well, but almost all db access is through wrapper functions, so porting it to another sql database should be easy.
And, like people have always emailed me saying they liked ODS for, it is very flexable.
--Randy
randygar@jps.net
I have found that the console client is great for when your using ip-up.. Just set it up to use the automatic connect and it will work just fine. I'm not sure about the xringd though, as i have never used it.
I like the gui client, but only use it if i am in x.
- james wilbur
Well, if you are an experenced user you may use any perl DBI database for GnuDIP. The only MySQL spacific code is in the install script. So, any experenced user may bypass the install script and use it that way. Complete db schema is available from outside the install. I think the FSF would be just fine seeing an OPEN SOURCE product that someone has spent may hours on just so everyone in the world could use it for free!I agree it has work, but its not bad compaired to a lot of other dyndns that have been in progress for more then twice the time.
The console client is included with the main package. You should have it. The command is gdipc.pl
First run with a -c and the enter all your info, and then you just have to run gdipc.pl and it will work fine automatically.
- james wilbur
The good thing about Nikhilino Online Systems is the fact they have never gone down, even when they have large surges of users signing up...
They have a very stable service and it is worth the nominal fee.
It let you point a domain name at a dynamic IP address.
When my system dialed in, it used to update pathwalker.ml.org with it's current ip address, this made it easy for me to find my system when I wasn't home...
One thing I saw on another system was domain hosting for dyndns people (web redirection, mail holding, etc). They wanted something like $20 a year, which is certainly reasonable. Is there any plans in the works for these sort of advanced services (charging a fee is fine by me)?
G'day. I've got a semistatic IP (assigned by DHCP; It's been known to stay the same for months on end or change twice a week).
Which service should I use? I hate to put the load on your machine that DynDNS adds, but it's a PITA when I'm away from my machine, my IP changes and all services are inaccessible 'till I get back, reregister, etc...
What are you going to do about the preventing buggy clients? Provide your own and insist (or otherwise ensure) that they be the only ones used?
Posted by stodge:
:)
Well Ive signed up already, and my chosen name is active, so thanks guys and good luck. It makes a hell of a difference having a name rather than just an ip. Now I need to work out how to run a web server properly
Posted by DHS-Craig:
Hey, and if you visit the DHS web site, be sure to e-mail me your comments - what you want changed, what you really like. We're making a new design that will hopefully bridge the gap between the regular and members NIC.
I'm glad to see you've re-established systalk. I hope it can get back to being as useful and fun as it used to be.
Oh yeah, and once you have some info on what (non-PERL or DNS hackers) I can do to help, I'll volunteer. I don't really need the service any more, but it is a damn good idea and should be supported.
Paranoia isn't an infectious condition, it's a way of life
How will this be more successful than Monolith, in terms of being able to support the services financially?
I'm not trying to criticize -- this is a serious question.
Joshua,
You should know better. It's ALWAYS more complicated than that.
I will give you though that one of the many reasons was a disconnect between management and the workers.
But it's not that simple...
Good luck in any case. There are a lot of lessons
you will only learn through experience.
I noticed that NWS was down as well ... Damn every time I finally get a domain name up and running the provider goes away ... I guess that is what you get for free... That or I have the touch of death... hmmmmm
Of all the things I miss
...and submitted the story last friday, then monday, and it was not published... maybe my submition go to /dev/null :o)
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"Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
anyone know www.ods.org ? the "Open DNS Server" project? it was people who wanted to replace ml.org services, they were active in december and january, then they dissapear... they used www.ws.nu also but dissapear too... they had in beta a DynDNS which was working, and C source available (OSS)
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"Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
It's too bad monolith went away. I actually bought a real domain, so does anyone know of a good reference on setting up services to warn users of an impending name change? Like sendmail auto-responding to old-domain requests, apache responding to the old domain as a virtual host that points to a cgi script auto linking to the corresponding page in the new domain, etc?
--cloudmaster, doesn't want his domain controlled by anyone else again.
That was quick. DHS.ORG is very slow. What do you guys do--all point wget at the whole site? I'm glad to see there is so much interest. If anyone wants to volunteer, please do!
--jon. Postel is dead. May we all mourn his, and our, loss.
Cheers,
Joshua.
--jon. Postel is dead. May we all mourn his, and our, loss.
I'll have fries with that, O.K.?
--jon. Postel is dead. May we all mourn his, and our, loss.
One goal of us at DHS is to avoid the pitfalls into which we ran at Monolith, like abuse, buggy DynDNS clients hammering our server, a poor password reset system, and an unmanageable contact address (ml@ml.org always had at least 500 and usually 1000 unanswered messages in the queue).
Cheers,
joshua@ml.org (formerly).
--jon. Postel is dead. May we all mourn his, and our, loss.
DynDNS was terrific, that's what it was. I'm dialing in on a school account, and it used to be that I could have my Linux box set up as terrania.dyn.ml.org so that I could telnet into it from the computer lab or wherever and check my mail, or run webpages or chatservers on it. But then it went away, sigh...now I have a script kludge that emails the current IP address to another account that I can check and use to telnete in, but it's just not the same.
:)
Of course, ML's DYNDNS service was never the most reliable thing in the world to begin with...if DHS can do better, I'll be very, very happy about things.
A couple of notes...Linux Gazette had an article about using DynDNS services, complete with scripts, in one of their back issues--I think it was the January one. There is a commercial DynDNS service, DynDNS.Com, that charges $25 a year for DynDNS service, too.
Also, for the DHS folks...did you know that there is a Dynamic IP hosting system for Linux out there? It's called GnuDIP--check Freshmeat for it. I haven't looked at it myself, but maybe it'll have some stuff you can use in it.
Good luck, and I have to say I can't wait 'til I can have terrania.(dyn.)dhs.org!
Editor Emeritus and Senior Writer, TeleRead.org
I have put a link directly to it for those not needing the whole package in the downloads section on the web site
http://gnudip.cheapnet.net
I'm new to this stuff. what does the MX field in the domain registration want?
Hey, do you think it would be possible to have a tld, but use some service, such as this one to have a dynamic ip?
Just wondering...
Umh, who is TC? I submitted this information (not the same wording) a few days ago...
my renewed ml.org domain officially died this morning. is this because of DHS in beta? in any case, i registered my dhs accounts already.
well...it was an active ml domain for 2 years. i ended up registering rosspages.dhs.org and danger.dhs.org, but i'm wondering why my entry has been deleted.
why use a Beta service, when GnuDIP already has a FULL working service?
GnuDIP also allows you to run your own ml.org if you have linux.
http://gnudip.cheapnet.net