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New Nintendo System
PointBlank
writes " Details of Nintendo's new machine for the
millennium are emerging. It will not feature a MIPS
processor, or utilize cartridges, but is thought to
produce a raw output of 20 million polygons per second.
ArtX are believed to be experimenting with hardware NURBS
conversion for the new console."
Personally, I didn't see anything wrong with the classic 8-bit NES game system. Maybe that's just me...
Zero load times. Yeah, I tried to convince myself of that, too. I bought a N64 near when it came out. Unfortunately, the load times were horrible. Maybe one good title every couple of months, if that.
I eventually bought a Playstation. The only problem there is that there are more good games than I have time to play.
N64 is good if you play games 1-5 hours a week, or have another console or computer to play games on instead.
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Jason Eric Pierce
Nintendo is fscked. They simply don't care enough about the North American market to give a damn. The Nintendo 2000 will surely be released in summer of 2000 in Japan, causing Japanese gamers to yawn and say, "great, another platform with two games available".
Meanwhile, the PSX2000 will get all the good games. Again.
Same Old Nintendo.... PC prices will continue
to plummet pressuring console MFGS from the top.
Will this be the last generation???
It is the only one that exists outside the minds
if their most devoted (or brainwashed) fans. It
is the only one that isn't vaporware, and it is
the only one that will come to the rest of the
world on time (all they have to do now is translate
the games into english.)
Right now my coleco vision is better than the n2000
or psx2 -- it actually exists and plays games!!!
Its also going to be the first to die....Sega is the king of premature ejaculation...first to start...first to finish. Look at the history... SMS-killed my NES... Gamegear-clobbered by Gameboy... Genesis-Even with a year headstart (sound familliar)still pounded by SNES... Saturn-They released the saturn? Sony whiped their ass...before the platform could even build a decent library. As soon as anything and I mean anything...even that gimpy projectX is released Dreamcast is going to be a fogotten memory or at best an unsupported also ran. I for one have been burned way too many times...no Sega for me...
They keep half the good RPGs to themselves and don't export! Bugger them!
Whee, 20 million polygons per second. Isn't the Sony Playstation supposed to process 33 million, or was that theoretical only? In any case, I've found the NES to be woefully lacking in quality games. Most of the stuff I prefer to play comes out for PCs or Playstation months, if at all, before I even hear about it on Nintendo. Plus, there's very few games I still buy at all for gaming consoles -- renting them seems to be enough. For NES sets, that is. I can replay the Sony titles I buy over and over, w/o getting sick of it.
I haven't seen a truly inspirational NES since the Legend of Zelda (old-school, people, not N64).......N64's polygon rendering didn't impress me anyway, since I was playing Quake I in OpenGL at 40fps at the same time N64 was going "mainstream". Toss NES out the door -- PCs and Playstation2 are the future of gaming.
And I never considered Mario, Zelda or Metroid to be bad games.
Heh, that's his point when he said:
"great, another platform with two games available".
Speaking of two, Metroid hasn't been released on the N64 (and shows no signs of even being planned - other than very very flakey rumors).
Personally, I can think of a bunch of excellent games for the PSX - all from Square: Xenogears, FF7, FF8 (oooh, played the demo at Babbages.. yumm), Einhander. And these are just the ones I've played. Square has put out a bunch more that I've heard great things about, but just haven't had time to play (game overload!).
And that's just one single third part developer.
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Hey, this kicks ass. I was just thinking how you could make videos of your favorite ways to BSOD windoze. It's always been rather hard to film it before, considering your computer dies. Someone should create a website for this.
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Jason Eric Pierce
Ding! Your link, sir.
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http://www.gamefan.com/NewHotInfo/hotinfo.asp?s
And how much do you think old used psx1's will
be when a good percentage of the 50 million
world wide psx1 owners sell back their machines?
In a year or two people will be giving away psx1
Machines for almost nothing.
So the DC doesn't play psx1 games. It doesn't play
colecovision games either; by the time the 128bit
era is upon us it won't matter.
If the only bad things you can think of
to say about the DC is that it is coming out to
early and Sega sucks, then I think DC has a
pretty good chance.
Now if you were telling me that the DC sucks
because it is to expensive, or doesn't have any
good games -- that would be different.
It's not up to Japanese companies to translate their games, especially if nobody asks them nicely, with a bag of money in hand.
Wonder why the English-speaking world doesn't get all the RPGs? It's because American and British companies think you don't want them! Bugger them.
...As long as Nintendo continues to publish their own amazing games for their own system, it will always be worthwhile to own a Nintendo system.
Not even Sega's Sonic Team has ever matched the quality of Nintendo's games, besides Sonic I.
Well, maybe the Dreamcast does, I don't know. (WinCE =)
Some devices, especially low-res pixel pushers like game consoles, just don't need a huge OS lurking over them, period.
Nintendo doesn't make vaporware? Hmm... What about my SNES CD-ROM (the original Playstation) and my 64DD? Or what about their PR guys that called Final Fantasy VII boring, humiliating trash in a press release; after begging Square to develop for the N64? And wasn't the Ultra64 supposed to originally be released in late 94/early 95 (alongside of Killer Instinct)? Nintendo isn't perfect, and they have a history of failed products and bad choices. And Shigero Miyamoto's comments about a DiVX-style video gaming future is hardly helping.
So they have millions to spend and cant make it compatible? yet again a bigcompany fails whata lone programmer or two can achieve.
Surely at 400mhz and the horse power the N2000 will have, it could easily emulate the N64, hell hire the programmer who made UltraHLE, duhhhh.
Whats with these Y2000 names for products, Windows2000, N2000, what next, Slashdot2000, and Dell2000, jeez, again the amiga was first in 1988 or so... Amiga2000 was here before.
By that logic, we should all be playing atari's.
They kicked butt in the early 80's they should kick
butt now.
No, it breaks down like this:
The next nintendo will do 20 million actual polys
per second. The psx2000 can do 75 million polys
but they are special fairy polys. You only see
them if you click your heals together three
times and chant, "there is no system like sony's!"
Yeah, I agree with this guy. Sony's vaporware :)
is clearly better than nintendo's
The genesis had an add on to play master games,
and noone cared. Most atari's could play 2600
games but noone cared. The sony trys the same thing
and now everyone cares? I bet in a year or two
nobody will care either. Either that or consoles
will be like pc's. Everyone else is risc and
at least 64-bit except pc's. This is so they can
still run windows 3.1.
Of course Dreamcast rocks. It runs Windows CE with a modified version of DirectX.
Again, MS giving the people what the want, right now.
An American is claiming to not have enough support??!@#
:P~
Try living in aussie moiite
What do you mean? Nintendo *did* release an inferior console... it doesn't do cdroms...
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As long as an emulator comes out for the new Nintendo system that's as accurate as x86 emulation under VMware, I'll be happy.
1) yes
2) haven't tried, but will tonight
acshully the offical specs say, if i recall, 60 million polys a sec, with prob about 75 million the theoretical max
They got Pokemon... :(
It kicks Nintendo's ass now, and it will again in 2000. Bahahahaha. Cartridges. Get with the 90's you lame bastards.
...are entirely pointless when your output device is a shitty NTSC television.
If you've played around with this:
;) (substitute your own fave fps deathmatch game if you don't like HL)
1) does Win9x/NT's TCP/IP work correctly under it? (assuming of course TCP/IP is working correctly in Linux (or whatever you're running on))
2) Can it run Half-Life?
you're forgetting the psx2 will also play all psx1 games. So the psx2 will automatically have more games than sega
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Crazy new hardware, huge storage mediums, and full connectivity don't amount to squat without good software. Games have always been, and will always be the deciding factor in the fate of a console system. Hopefully, Nintendo will be able to get out more quality games for their new console.
Who believes Nintendo can actually deliver this product on schedule? Too many rumors in the article, very few facts. Yes it is early in the cycle, but Nintendo is known for their "vaporware" also. Look how often they changed plans on what is now the N64. I'm betting when they do produce N200X (or whatever they call it) Playstation 2 will still destroy it. Did you notice, NCL doesn't like SOny has quality games for their system (while they tend to have few). Oh well, just my own ramlbings.
Read the article. These specs will change. Common sense tells you that Nintendo won't release an inferior console. Look at the N64 vs. Playstation.
Have you looked at the movies of the new sony box? Do you really think you can do that on a n64? Impossible. These new boxes will basically reach the limit of need for ntsc, but the current boxes don't come anywhere close. After these boxes it's probably on to HDTV.
Wouldn't you like to see a Jurrasic Park Hunter game on a $400 box?
...According to what I've heard coming out of the game development industry. How many the N2000 ends up doing under actual gaming conditions remains to be seen, but I could believe 20 million for a 2001 release date.
NTSC should still benefit somewhat. You just wind up with polygons with areas of only a few pixels. As long as your anti-aliasing blends these triangles in correctly, this will give you very smooth-looking surfaces (no more jagged borders).
>you're forgetting the psx2 will also play all psx1 games. So the psx2 will automatically have more games than sega
:)
...which is perhaps the sweetest thing about the PSX2
yes, i prefer PAL HDTV
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not shitty never-twice-the-same-colour
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It seems the PlayStation 2 will have better graphics.
Carmen San Diego was a very good game. Today's games are copies of Doom, WarCraft or Tomb Raider but with nicer graphics and some improvements in AI.
Whoops, wrong platform/technology. <blush>
--jon. Postel is dead. May we all mourn his, and our, loss.
Well, I still think genesis one the hole 16bit thing. It wasn't a failure like the master system. Gamegear was fine, it just cost money. You could play street fighter on it, which automaticly made it good.
I know I will be moderated down for this, but . . . Vincent
Look at Atari. Their consoles (7800, Jaguar) were top of the heap at the time of release and yet they died because Atari hasn't produced a good sports game since "Real Sports Baseball"...
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That's what I remember! At least I don't remember forgetting it...
Corndog
So, what's the mario brothers game going to be called in this one, Super Mario Orgasm, or something?
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Beef
"Raging Moderate" of the
They're not making any promises. If you noticed, the article was from IGN, not Nintendo. Even so, Nintendo will release it at the right time, they're great marketers (and they're NOT known for vaporware). The fact that they change the specifications along the way is for the best, and with them releasing it at least 6 months after the PSX2, you can count on it being more powerful.
That's funny, I haven't really read any confirmation from either Sony or Nintendo on who will be 3rd party publishers for either of their next generation systems. Of course we can "assume" that Sony will get Namco and Square, but you know what you do when you assume...
And I never considered Mario, Zelda or Metroid to be bad games. Looks like PS2 won't get ALL the good ones.
>>And that's just one single third part developer.
I'm definitly not in disagreement that there are great games for the PSX. I would disagree that there aren't any great games for the N64. For someone like myself who plays games quite a bit, it doesn't come down to what system is better, it comes down to what games are great, and I'm willing to buy those games regardless of what system they're on.
My arse...
I've crashed my mates Playstation before playing Colin McRae Rally, (excellent game), but it's the way in which these things are handled that makes them look like they haven't crashed.
A PC on the other hand will, if you're running Windows, "Blue Screen" you because the OS doesn't know how to handle "fatal exception 0x101" or whatever. The consoles don't have an OS as such and are usually programed to forget the exception or whatever and just discard that process. This will usually dump you back at some part of the game, less what you've just done. In some cases though, as I found, the thing will really crash and just hang there 'til you press the 'master reset'.
- Dan
Dan. -- So what if it's spelt wrong, nobody's perfect
The cartoon was based off a game.
Yea right nintendo doesn't get destroyed it destroys.Like it will the playstation wich it already has.The only thing I'm glad about playstation2 is that it will destroy the Dreamcast before it gets started
Baha not nintendo is better than playstation.My cousin has a playstation and he says he wishes he had a N64.Playstation sucky graphics ha.Also the next nintendo will have DVD the new thing so shut up about cartiages and they don't take an hour loading up a sucky game like playstation.
Windows helps the dreamcast about as much as Sony would, look at the huge number of games out for the console already (Hmmmm, there is'nt any). Sega are the sheep of the game console flock, they follow Nintendo around and try and stay up with Sony's CD based console but never manages to reach their level. So what do they do, they bring out a console that everyone knows is going to be swallowed up in the competition between Nintendo and Sony for the Millenium crown. Ok theirs good old Sony and their very successful 32bit console, you have to give them credit for what its achieved but Im afraid no one will take the crown from Nintendo they are just to great a company to be beaten by one time hopers like Sony or total no-hopers like Sega
And the playstation is a low resolution blur. I prefer cartridges with their zero load time anyway. That's why I got a console. If I wanted to get a CDROM game, I get it for the PC (and I do).