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b12arr0 sent us a link
to a quick little GNOME article.
An anonymous reader wrote in to say that
GNUStep.org has
had a major makeover. Nice to see that project still
alive and kicking.
chrisd wrote in to say
that VA has made its first acquisition:
ElectricLichen,
possibly best known to most of us as the Beer Hike guys.
OGL wrote in to
give us the heads up to Linux Game
Tome for info about a a work-in-progress video game
starring Tux in a 3D environment. The screenshots alone
are unbelievably cool.
Brian Gue wrote
in to tell us of a new
a beer called Fubar. Why
not fubeer?
snorkel sent us
a link to yet-another-dancing-animal-page. This is the
Cow Dance
Finally
Vik Olliver wrote
in with the most impressive Linux Fan act I've seen (narrowly
edging out the dude at LWCE with the Tux hairdo). It is
of course, Husband and Wife matching
Tux Tatoos.
My largely tux based fashion sense pales by comparison.
I've been carrying around a color printout of the beastie that Lasseter drew up for years now, waiting for the right inspiration (mostly just trying to find someone I can conn into paying for it) to get it imprinted. I have other tatoos, so it would be no biggie, but it would certainly be cool.
Of course, in twenty years, I won't have any idea what it had anything to do with since computers will be so way far beyond where they are now...
I just makes sense
Use a text editor for HTML!
Anyone interested in doing some tux-based games/animation?
I made a tux-ish looking penguin, and have animated it a little. I could do a hell of a lot more if there is interest.
I am also considering GPLing all the meshes and animation paths, but will probably only do so if and when the model conforms more closely to the 'official' tux.
check http://www.actrix.gen.nz/tux2.gif
email - peterb@actrix.gen.nz
Yech.
la fin du monde 0wnz joo
Now while this will probably start a rather nasty flame war... I remember when I fist hear the Linux mascot was going to be a penguin. I was rather upset, a penguin has never struck me as a very impressive or even interesting mascot. The BSD demon is a least more interesting looking. They could have gone with an impressive beast like a lion or eagle, or instead an interesting one like a platapus or aardvark.. but no.. they went with a silly penguin..
Then again, I'll probably end up getting drunk this weekend and getting a Tux tatoo.
there is also a liquor called fubar...I never tasted it, I've seen it tucked away
in a couple of bars. sounds like fun, anyone drink it?
Canadian beer rules.. Try Kokanee and you'll agree with me. This FuBar stuff appears to be at my University (UofA) I think I'll go try it and make you jealous :P
Well I just took a quick peak at the silicon page, and the main part with the article seems to be slashdotted, which comes as no surprise. The tattoo page is slow, almost suicidally so, but so far it is holding up, and that is amazing, since most ISP's would frown on such a spike in usgae on a member page...... :>>--
Kokanee?? yeach! Try Alexander Keith's India Pale Ale or Sleeman's Honey Brown for a great Canadian beer!
There's a link over on the Silicom page about M$ sponsoring a little mouse at the zoo. The last sentence is an amusing quip about penguins :-)
:-)
Looks like the M$ PR is trying to play catch up with Linux PR
My entire life existence is expressed as a javascript program in two comments lost in slashdot. No wait, that was dumb. I'm looking for a link to cool ATX cases that was posted in a quickie swarm within the last three months. I've been digging through the archives for an hour, but I can't find it. Does anyone have that link, or a link to some other cool, _different_ cases? thank you very much!
They're lying it's not 2 arms..it's someone's tooshie...
"Linux my ASS"
Fucked Up Beyond All Return
Sleeman.......... YUM!
Guys & Dolls, what's the problem?
My mother (!) has digitised the Tux logo into "machine embroidery format". This means you can have it embroidered on nearly everything that can fit in the machine.
Have a look at:
http://bewoner.dma.be/Mamik/
or contact me for details at:
root@aforest.webprovider.com
Upper Canada Rebellion, yum
Red Cap Ale, yum
Creemore, yum yum yum
What's with the references to Vietnam era?
All these expressions pre-date Vietnam by several decades at least
Exactly Kokanee sucks.
It's no better than Blue or Canadian or Keith's or whatever mass-produced crap that's churned out.
The best Canadian beers probably don't make it to the States.
Creemore = yummy.
Granite Brewery in Halifax and Toronto = yummy.
Sleeman, Upper Canada. Tasty.
We're not talking about Murphy's stout I admit, but still some pretty fine beers.
Go to Brutopia and Montreal for some great Quebec beers.
Quebec's really turning out some great beer lately.
I had some kick-ass oatmeal stout there on my last visit. And of course there's always been Maudite and Fin du Monde, yum yum yum.
Sleeman is cool.
Well I guess to be fair, I should point out that most American beer is crap too. I just havent seen any decent beer come of of Canada. Molson? Blue (or is it Bleu?). They are terrible!
I'm serious... I've been a linux user for a while, and I just find Tux a bit silly. I don't think it helps its image in the work place. I also think even if it's just your home box, a more bad-ass looking logo would be nice.
Lager is a type of beer as is stout or IPA.
Translation: I don't know even the most rudimentary
HTML tags, and I'm too thick-skulled to learn.
Anyways, I'm using Linux to be "leet", and when
Windows 2000 comes out I'll be the first in line to
lick Gates' butt.
Lager is the WORST type of beer, though. I've tasted urine ( no, I didn't like it, yes, it was female in origin) and lager tastes like urine, but more bitter, as if someone had mixed in earwax....
Then you've got the typical english lager drinker ("lager lout" in british slang)- fat, sweaty, loud, stupid and obnoxious at footall matches, or anywhere else...
Give me stout every time.
PS. the fact that yeast fermentation is necessary for beer production, and is naturally occuring body fauna ( it's not bad in itself, it's overpopulation that leads to ickiness), and that yeast is also used to make bread rise, leads me to speculate just what the woman who invented leavened bread was doing with her hands just before she worked the first bread dough that ever "magically" rose...
i just saw an OLD warner brothers cartoon called "Porky in Wackyland" about porky pig's trip to the surreal wackyland to find the last do-do bird. In the background of one scene, there is the giant word FOO carved out of mountains or something. i thought it was kinda weird.
-dr. bombay
whats a theme? a consistent look and feel across pages?
how does CSS wiggle? Could you tell me what WYSIWYG editor support CSS?
Excuse me, but I'm designing professionnal Web pages (for paying customers) and I certainly do all the HTML by hand, CSS, tables and everything included ! My HTML is as clean as it can be, while any WYSIWYG editor is making bloated stuff... beside, WYSIWYG editors don't always respect standards, and only make code that works with IE/Netscape. When Opera or Netpositive come along, your page becomes an ugly pile of junk, and you can't even modify the code by hand because the WYSIWYG editor made a big mess with lots of stupid tags.
Maybe when XML becomes the norm, making Web pages with an editor will be OK, but right now HTML is way to messy and no automated system can make a clean output of it.
Know your tag, know your CSS and use a text editor ! Designing a web page that way is a little longer than with an editor, but "debugging it" and adding PHP3/Javascript goes faster than if you have to mess with the output of a WYSIWYG editor.
Doesn't it seem sort of strange that they both had tatooes done of the gnu/linux mascot but their webpage was created with an application that runs in windows ??
Vik,
;-)
It also works for a nice ASI plug (if they goto the home page).
Wayne
ASI ECTC Member
http://www.asi.org
While you're checking out cowdance.com, pay a visit to http://www.hamsterdance.com.
VENI! VIDI! VICI!
Posted by OGL:
/.'ing.
Ugh...I submitted that link on March 15, and it's no longer on the Linux Game Tome. A better link would be this one. Happy
-W.W.
Posted by Akira410:
:-)
Am I strange for knowing this since it happened?
Btw: Sup Jim
heh
ack...that damn banana slug :P i grew up in SC and have fond memories of trying to melt them w/ a cardboard can of Morton's salt :) now i live in silicon valley and miss SC...ahh...the beautiful fog :)
It's still there...you've gotta go back a day or so, or try this link instead.
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The Linux Game Tome
How about body modifications instead of limiting it to tattoo's? I have 8 body mods... 7 piercings (incl 2 in my ear) and 1 tat I just got this weekend (ahhhh spring break is great).
funny thing is, I almost got a tatoo of tux this weekend at Jade Dragon in Chicago. I decided to get a tribal instead.
- Tux Quake II skins
- OpenGL rotating 3D Tux Screensaver
- a 3D Tux tamagochi-type desktop toy
- etcetera
So free those files, and let the community get on with it!--
Uh, you change your template, then rerun the script which renders your content into the themed output.
You *did* write the content in a nice portable manner, didn't you?
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Everyone seems to assume that if you don't use a WYSIWYG HTML editor, you necessarily "do it by hand".
The *smart* way to produce pretty web pages that remain consistent across a site is to write plain HTML (or LaTeX or whatever) and use scripts to index/prettify/add sidebars/etc
If you don't want to roll your own, there are plenty of such tools on freshmeat.
Oh, and what's more, GUI != WYSIWYG -- with the number of browsers out there, all on different platforms, different screen sizes, different colour depths, different fonts installed, Lynx, IE, Navigator, Mozilla, Arachne, Arena, you'll never be able to do WYSIWYG HTML.
That said, something like Netscape Composer is a useful part of your toolkit for producing templates for the aforementioned scripts to work with (then edit it, then test it in Lynx, then WebLint it!)
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And then if you want to change the theme, what do you do? Edit all the 500 documents?
Probably a better idea would be using either SSI or WML.
Gee, Slashdot ends up having a theme, and CmdrTaco seems to avoid using a GUI.
In any case, when I load your page using NS 4.5 (not exactly a minority web client), I get a blank screen. If your GUI generates HTML that NS 4.5 can't display, then by definition it's broken.
-russ
Actually, according to the Jargon file, FUBAR was one of the best cases of getting jargon past suits. On a VAX, FUBAR stood for Failed UniBus Address Register. In fact, if your VAX was suffering from a FUBAR, then it was probably FUBAR.
ERROR: Null
Journalistic integrity went out the window (no pun intended) a long time ago, if it ever really was. I remember when I was a kid and first started reading the paper how unimpressed I was with so called journalistic objectivism. Our local rag (Canadian city with a population of about 220000 at the time) would constantly insert editorial opinions inside of articles. This was probably 16 or 18 years ago. Now most of the paper is taken up by syndicated journalists, each with their own agenda or axe to grind. Online headline news for some reason seems to have less opinion inserted, so I tend to only read the local paper for local (but biased) stories and the comics (though since Calvin and Hobbes disappeared I don't even do that often). Online there are still the various wolves disguised as reporters, but headline stories on say ABC News does seem less biased than print publications.
I remember reading that programmer/writer/journalist Charles Petzold has (had?) a tattoo of the Windows logo.
Now, if you're a user, it's fine with me that you get yourself tattooed. But a journalist is supposed to be independent, right?
Besides, I also remember reading that Petzold was emberassed when it was exposed that he had this tattoo. I suppose he only wanted to show it to MS officials, as the secret ultimate proof of his loyality ...?
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Warning: Slashdot may contain traces of nuts.
Don't forget that this "beer" is brewed by Molson. It's probably just a relabelled Canadian or Export. Yuck.
STFU about slashdot bias.
I've moved my nostrils from my nose to where they should be: on top of my head. That way when I go swimming, I can catch air a lot easier.
STFU about slashdot bias.
I have always wanted a tux tattoo. A little BSDaemon on the other shoulder would be nice as well. I actually considered writing an ask /. to see if it had been done.
Oh well, knowing my luck, the logos would change the next week or something. I don't think there is anything that I want for the rest of my life.
Brian
"fubar" is older than that, at least as old as WW2. It's a very old military term, and "foo bar" and everything else is just another variation on it.
support gun control: take guns from cops
It sure does look that way.
support gun control: take guns from cops
I would actually get a tatoo, if I were a real hacker ... maybe one day. I wouldn't get a Tux tatoo though, especially not on the forearm (unless you like explaining what the hell it is to people all day).
The BSD daemon would make a great tatoo, but GNU would be the best ... it has a cultish aspect to it. Plus the GNU looks cool.
support gun control: take guns from cops
What would the M$ logo be? I personally believe that it would be a vulture, or some bird of prey. In the battle of the birds, the cute penguin will win...
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
What are you talking about? Kokanee tastes almost as bad as America mass-produced beer.
Yeah, they're pretty bad too. We keep the good stuff for ourselves...
Gimme a good IPA or stout anyday...
A host is a host from coast to coast...
Unless it's down, or slow, or fails to POST!
I'll assume that it's two arms belonging to separate people, based on observation that pairs of butt cheeks are almost always the same color.
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then you'll just take the fall"-- Michael Longcor
Try reload. I got a blank page with NS4.07, but then hit reload and it was fine. Of course I'm behind a MS proxy server today.
Joe
Joe Batt Solid Design
Maybe the tattoos are those washable ink fake tattoos. Maybe there's a photograph of the same people with MS Windows tattoos.
Perhaps Bill Gates has secretly purchased all the tattoo ink companies in the world and put these people up with their Penguin tattoos in the hopes that all Linux fans would say "Hey that's cool" and run out and get a Tux tattoo. Meanwhile Bill Gates altered the ink formula in the worlds tattoo ink supply to include mind control drugs. Voila! No more Linux problem.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Forget their Operating System..
I want their skin.
With a tattoo of an operating system, how could you ever build something better?
=-/
Don't knock that Fubar stuff, I live in Edmonton where it's made and I've heard it pretty good and I looking forward to trying it.
Getting 100 bytes per second :) Oh well, havta go back later.
...although only to Windows. Isn't Windows 2k going to be renamed Windows fubar when M$ releases it in 2001?
~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
"We could be happy if the air was as pure as the beer"
~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
Richard von Weizs
Obvisouly, it seams the new brew comes with a warning label: FUBAR.
;)
I'm not sure I would want to try it.
Incidently, looking at their web page, it seems the only people involved are: Imaging, Public Relations, Launch night, Merchandising, Print Media, and Support. No where do I see brew-master or brewer. I guess that is Molson's partial support.
~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
"We could be happy if the air was as pure as the beer"
~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
Richard von Weizs
*ahem* "Yeah! And edit all your images with command line tools! Mice are for wimps, use the keyboard! Keyboards are for wimps, use punchcards! I've got a big dick! I'm a teenage Linux user pretending to be old school!"
WYSYIWYG does NOT necessarily suck. I see the web becoming more and more like desktop publishing what with things like css and xml and all that. You want to try doing css in vi? Have you ever tried doing imagemaps in a text editor(ok, it's easier than css, but still a pain)? Maybe you don't do very complex web design for your sites, but a lot of customers want the bells and whistles, and you can't do it by hand. GUIs are very good for certain tasks, and not as good for others.
-lx
I had thought about getting a bsd daemon on my shoulder as well, but then I couldn't decide whether it would be an incredibly stupid thing to do or not. (no offense to people with os-related tattoos, it's all personal preference) I mean - at first I thought bsd can't last forever, so I'd be stuck with a hopelessly out of date tattoo. Then I thought that maybe it would be a reminder of happy computing days gone by, and for a while I was happy with that.
:)
Then I thought "what if BSD suddenly goes in some horrible direction, to the point where I would willfully stop using it, like adopting the gpl or if linux/windows users started switching to it or something? What if I found an operating system that just blows bsd out of the water? Why doesn't BeOS have a cute tattooable mascot?"
And if I did end up getting a daemon tattoo, should I use the FreeBSD one, or the OpenBSD 3d-ish one?
Any thoughts on this? I don't have any tattoos at the moment - maybe I can just get an ambiguous tattoo in the meantime to help me catch the tattoo bug.
-lx
I do the majority of my html in vi, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the appropriate uses of a wysiwyg editor. Output varies from editor to editor, but some of them can be largely cleaned up by a script to remove ^M 's. Plus, it just makes sense to design something that will be judged by how it looks designing it by LOOKS, not by code. It's like graphic design.
I'd like to see CSS done by hand. Show me CSS that wiggles all over the screen like the customer wants, and done by hand, and I'll be impressed.
-lx
I hope they don't use something stupid like a bee. That would make a pretty lame mascot.
I think they should genetically engineer a totally new mascot, leaving out all the legacy code in current life forms...
;)
-lx
Penguins fly - just they do it underwater where the food is, rather than in the air where the competition is. Sort of represents the paradigm switch that linux is. I'd rather be a fat penguin with a stomach full of fish than a skinny gull chasing fishing boats for offal.....
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*--BigMan--- Time flies like an arrow.. but personally I prefer a nice glass of wine!
Wasn't that http://www.elanvital.com.tw/ ?
*--BigMan--- Time flies like an arrow.. but personally I prefer a nice glass of wine!
Always meant to post - http://students.ou.edu/D/James.R.Duchek-1/tat.html if you care to look.
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow...
That would be interesting to see?
I have 4 and try to get 2 a year or so.
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Joshua Curtis
Lancaster Co. Linux Users Group
Actually, I'd kinda have to agree with ya there.
Call it blasphemy, but I always thought Linux should have a more "bad-ass" looking logo than a goofy penguin. I dunno, Tux just looks too benign and he'd look kinda out of place next to my tattoos of skulls and demons etc.
Besides if Linux ever goes extinct, maybe replaced by something better (hey it COULD happen), all these dudes with the penguin tattoos are gonna look kind of silly.
At least with a "bad-ass" mascot you'd still have a fairly cool tattoo even if it lost most of it's significance.
As I said in the reply, a page editor is no good for a themed website. A web *site* design package is what paid website designers like my good lady wife Suz need.
:v)
Vik
If it's any consolation, the web pages are uploaded from a Linux box via our household Linux internet server because aforementioned Windows design software can't ftp in passive mode.
:v)
If you know of a good GUI Linux website design program, we'd love to hear about it. Web page design programs don't cut it when you've got a site to design with a theme, and we've not found a Linux tool that's up to the job yet since we saw the light and decided to defenestrate.
Vik
With Error 500.
:-/
Thanks a lot, Slashdot.
Glückwünsche, haben Sie Slashdot ermordet, indem Sie zum korporativen Druck beugten und Subskriptionen einlei
Yup, it's dead.. I think that there are a few expressions we should add to the english language: To feel slashdotted: To be very tired, worn out To Slashdot someone: To give someone to much to do Any more ideas?
QuMa
One might want to think that under those circumstances, it might be Situation Normal, All Fucked Up... or would that be treading on another vietnam era acronym? :)
-Chris
Yeah, Kokanee sucks...You American dudes, what you want is a good pint of Cinquante ("50"), right fellow Canadians (wink, wink). Or maybe Laurentide. Come on up and get it..we'll through in a coupla 2-4s of Cinci for free...
Just Remember, the Dark Horse Ale and the Upper Canada Dark, that sucks...just leave it up here with us (hehhehehe!)
Never by hatred has hatred been appeased, only by kindness - the Buddha
Actually, I thought it was this
Hope this helps!
Fubar is WW2, 'Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition', one of a stream of similar acronyms popular at the time (see Bill Bryson's 'Mother Tongue' for more - another from the top of my head was SNAFU, 'Situation Normal - All Fucked Up').
Any beer that's had Molson near it can safely be considered totally FUBAR, so the name is appropriate.
I always thought that Tux was a little fat. Maybey it would be good if Tux went to the weight room in his 3D adventure.
Otherwise Link and Mario are going to kick his ass all over the place.
I told you we would be putting
this stuff on our hands &
foreheads didn't I?
Still don't believe me?!
*he he*
Now way, it totally sticks out. One of the few birds that can't fly. Sort of like a cow that's allergic to grass, it's just funny.
DreamWeaver 2 ain't perfect (and I am guessing that's not what they used - it doesn't plaster ads for itself in META tags), but it's a damn site better than FrontPage 98 et al.
Open Source. Closed Minds. We are Slashdot.
Old news probably... but I've seen Duff Beer for sale... (I think 20thC Fox had it pulled?) in .AU
Open Source. Closed Minds. We are Slashdot.
Tux = fat penguin with belly full of fish
-- open source? sounds like the real book --
From what I've read (somewhere), the word fubar came to life already during the second world war. And I thought foobar is the same as fubar, just slightly modified to sound a bit less abusive (in case some sensitive person should read our code).
Just my theories. No references.
Something I've thought about many times but never have had the time to do is making a program something like that cute esheep that they have in Windows. But instead featuring Tux of course, would be pretty cool I think.
So many things to code, so little spare time.
Is it me or is this a troll? No, surely not...
AC's indeed...
1) Tux is cool. Almost as cool as the Dustpuppy. *grin*
2) The whole ethos of Linux is friendly, not predatory. Cute penguins, not eagles. Eagles may like killing things, but they ain't too bright.
3) There's already plenty of aardvark gone into Linux (ok, that was a *real* bad pun)
Ok - so if the MS logo was an animal, what would it be?
What you do is, you make a template, and edit it for each page that you want to make. All the "Theme" is still there just the content changes (And the chances are it doesn't look like EVERY other themed website made by the same package)
Fubar is Vietnam era military acronym standing for; Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition. It doesn't have any special relevance to computers or nerds.
Still pretty good for a non-programmer.
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One question though: When did GNOME become a foot?
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'Icaza claimed GNOME was just as good as windows'
This isn't a GNOME knock, it's wake the hell up... now to us geeks.. we may see something different here.. so that GNOME is better.. but users? hell.. to a user Windows incompasses(sp?) the OS, the GUI and the applications.. that said.. GNOME doesnt touch it.. granted it's coming along fast and great.. but from a USER standpoint that quote is BS.
Think about it.. lil user sees 'better than windows' all this gui and stuff.. so they go get it.. find out suree its pretty and got a great foundation.. but it sure isnt what they're used to, windows may crash alot.. but it is more or less complete.. and offers alot to the 'user'... you all should take a moment and look at things from a user standpoint.. different world out there.
Im not belittling gnome.. im just sayin a little modesty or something would be better... blatently saying something to the media that isnt thoroughly true is the samething another company does.. it gets people's hopes up for something new, improved and better.. only to get it and be let down once again.. only difference here is the user isnt paying $$$ for the let down.. and i for one care about the people, i care about their experience with what they use.. first impressions are lasting!
Just my thoughts..
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i am not a writer, or speler =)
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Animal mascots are cool, but once you pick one you're stuck with it- just like a tattoo.
How about waiting 'till O'Reilly does a BeOS book and adopting whatever animal they use?
I think it falls into relatively the same space as UC Santa Cruz's mascot - the Banana Slug.