Nobody has the patience nor the time to go through all our mails, but if it helps finding people connected to the attack, then so be it.
Does this mean surveillance, I don't think so and they shouldn't unless autorized by a judge.
Listening to phone calls is essentially the same.
For me as long as they get a judge order, then they could track someone's mail and I won't object.
The only question left is which countrie's judge wshould order such a thing. If I am from X country, should a Y country judge allow reading my mail? I don't know an answer for this.
Note: Most Third World nationals leave their countries to America and the West to get away from injustice, corruption, state terror and live and speak freely. This includes most non Western countries. Those who launched the New York attack are the same assholes that many in those countries tried to get away from!
I really think we should avoid those people altogether. On the other hand, I think someone should refute what he says publicly.
What I am really suggesting is a public destruction of his reputation as a knowledgeable person, because he definitly isn't. Gosh, he even claims we discovered how bad our OS is.
These people shouldn't write or even talk on any media of any type. So what's the solution? Publish logical deconstruction of anything he writes anywhere, until someone at ABC or wherever else those people work, gets the hint and fires them. Pure and simple.
Stupidity is a very dangerous thing. Stupidity disguised as intelligence is public enemy no 1 of humanity. You don't believe me? Look at how extreme stupidity drove Germans to elect Hitler.
So let's get working on eradicating it peacefully. Public destruction of such people should be encouraged.
Truth to tell no difference at all. Except, Debian always ships with much older and more stable versions of many packages. This way, it looks more stable as a whole.
Either than this, they are all the same. They all package free (as in freedom) software developed by someone else.
RedHat however has the best balance when it comes to ease-of-use/stability/quality/support....
It has also built a good brandname, kindda like Sony for electronics. Sony stuff might not always be the best, but you know it's among the best.
As for hardcore geeks prefering Debian. I think it's mostly the "I don't use what newbies use" attitude or maybe it's "I use something very few use"
Anyway, conclusion: they are 90% same stuff with some version number difference.
It simply supports as many Linux's as it is humanly possible, plus some non linux os's.
Game companies, app companies should simply do the same.
Make sure their stuff works ok on all systems.
It IS really easy since most of the time all that is really big is the set of data files which usually happen to be the same for all platforms including non linux platforms.
Next you got the binaries which can be the same for all again, it leaves libraries (drivers...). Heck they could have the installer build RPM for each distro,.deb for debian based... on the fly then install them.
Why is that still a problem. It's not like you have to compile those things, they are closed-source.
I have been using RedHat distro since 5.0 and I have only once had a problem with kernel compile and recompile and it was because I did not follow the instructions correctly.
Hell, if you only follow MaximumLinux magazine kernel compilation guide, written for utter newbies, you will be able to do the job easily.
Since RedHat 5.2 if I remember, any user could shutdown the machine from gdm, or kdm (gnome kde display managers)
Under RedHat (since 6.0), you can now access most administration functions by entering a password at a prompt. This goes for ppp configuration, linuxconf (if properly installed)....
More of this and the ability for sys admins to easily turn the feature off would make everybody happy.
Plus, you can now configure most of Linux using Linuxconf in text/web/gui modes.
Moreover if you use gnome, you can just go to helix-code, launch that helix-update thing and you are done. Same thing goes with up2date from RedHat if you bought support.
Playing games is getting easier, installing StarOffice/Corel Office 2000 is trivial.
Most video cards are recognized at installation by most distros (if not all), same goes for sound cards.
You can now even buy your own video card driver from companies like Xi Graphics, printer drivers from ESP PrintPro if I remember correctly.
I would say we are 80% down the ease-of-use road, and gnome will certainly look better and easier to use with Eazel's work and Helix/Code work in at most a year.
On the other hand, companies like Corel have succesfully done the whole thing with KDE.
So I'd say we are 90% down the road.
Finally why is everybody bitching about Linux usability? Is it just another die-hard myth or are you using pre-historic versions of distros?
As much as I don't care what happens to Microsoft, I'd like to see this drag on forever as long as real pressure from government/judge is still there.
Linux has benefited most of this and will continue to do so as long as this actually stays in the spotlight.
After that, Microsoft (if left whole) could start toying with RedHat/VA Linux/Caldera stock and future without even doing it itself and that might not be a nice thing for Linux.
So please Judge/Gov/Micro, keep up the pressure and the break-up warnings or just break the company into:
-NT -Win9x -Office/Visual Dev software -hardware: mice, gamepads/wheels, soundsystems....
This would be nice for Linux as it will then get Office, Visual Studio et al...., win9x would die and that is a good thing. Win NT would survive and stay strong and that is also a good thing for competition is always a plus for consumers (us).
Do you think the Judge reads Slashdot? Can we ask him?
What about an interview with Judge Jackson here on Slashdot? Is it even possible?
I mostly agree with you, except that I have been using Linux for 2 years (not much above your 18 months limit) starting with RedHat 5.0, and feel insulted
It simply is the best distro as far as I am concerned. But then I never used any other distro nor do I care to do it nor do I care if they all cease instantly to exist.
RedHat has been an excellent distro for me and being on their watch-list means that I know about updates and security holes and have access (free) to their update site (sometimes laggy but they all are when you have a 33.6 modem).
You must however understand that in the group of RedHat bashers you will find "offended virgins" who don't like the "commercial aspect" of RedHat (in truth their success) but would still buy Suse/Slackware (the first a real commercial thing, the second the first commercial and failing Linux company), or even worse Mandrake/Macmillan/Joe Schmuck (all redhat-based) distros.
Oh but I forgot, they are better RedHat than RedHat, when all Mandrake did was recompile packages for pentium machines. Dammit guys, there is a CD with src.rpms on any RedHat distro and yes you can all recompile them (it will take less time than waiting for your Mandrake).
There are also the elitists who don't like RedHat because so many people use it. These people will be the first to leave Linux when it really reaches world-domination and would maybe go with Hurd (DUH!) or *BSD*, *BeOS* (but then they'll bitch about GPL and hail NOT GPL).
These folks would even support Windows if it was on the loosing side, believe me.
While waiting for this to happen, have fun with this new release. I am gonna buy my copy as soon as I can.
Peace and NO I don't have shares in RedHat nor do I work for RedHat nor am I going to an interview for a job at RedHat nor do I have plans to do so.
Well, let me phrase this simply. I use Linux at home. I have been using it since RedHat 5.0
Now I am at RH 6.1.
The only thing keeping RH6.1 on my disk is the lack of Gnome under Corel Linux as RedHat has always claimed high and loud and still is claiming that it dosn't give a damn about desktop users and won't in this millenium. They want to run after appliances and I wish them good luck. However, I'd laugh myself out in 10 years when they start fighting for survival like SGI is doing now. You know the enterprise market is not as big as the home market, and I am not even talking about the supposedly future of appliances !!
The only think keeping Win95 on my disk is the lack of international in Netscape (try to read arabic pages there) But Mozilla have been working on this and I see advance. So there is hope here.
Now for Corel, put Gnome on your desktop and I swear I'll switch as has/will probably do a lot if not all current RedHat desktop users.
This was an excellent analysis. That is what I always believed. People want what they are used to, and more and more people are using Linux (students the future ceo's it's etc...)
Buying Cygnus is good. Now they need to buy VMWare
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Ok,
If it's true, good for them, they need apps. And, I think that buying key companies that make Linux cool is good.
On the other hand, I would have loved to see them buy VMWare and open source whatever they can in it!
Of course, these bought companies should be independent divisions of redhat that keep their name and employees etc....
All linux developers are worthy of being nominated! Hell, Linux developers are those who have helped most the GNU spirit, after Linux companies (they did it with the suits).
The only serious way to do this is to include all known developers, market people of the GNU world, be it Bob Young, Alan Cox, Linux Torvalds, Eric Raymond, Caldera Folks, Debian, *Bsd* etc.....
Only then should be a general vote on who gets the most vote based on a one year activity.
Other than that, you are only making a joke of yourselves and GNU in general!
Man, Bill Gates?
Who in Hell or Heaven actually typed his name on that website?!!! This guy/girl should stop taking drugs while working!
Yes you'd better thank Loki and other REAL game coders!
If you want to win the desktop, the only way is to have games games and again games!
There are 3 types of desktop buyers:
-The Norton Virus folks. They won't buy Linux for another 5 years! And, in any case, they don't spend much on software!
-The gamers. Give them games and they'll get it! And they buy a lot of software and hardware!
-The sohos. The most advanced of them might give a try to Linux, but I doubt it, yet!
So no desktop for Linux unless we get games, gamers will bring sohos in a few years and then the Norton folks!
Otherwise, Linux will be a good SERVER, nobody will use it as anything else, and since most users will still be on Win95/98/2000...., they'll want NT on every BOX, and finally Linux like other Uni*s will start loosing ground except in some really invisible places!
That will not bring money or any world domination to Linux!
PCT's winmodem (PCI bus) has been released for Linux too. At least OEM's can get them for now!
So, there is no end to winmodems unless you mean that now it is winmodem/linuxmodem
Re:Why can't PC companies innovate? Apple is dead
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All companies copy each other. This is true for cases, hardware, etc... All cars look the same now. This is what business is about. Apple is dead and will stay dead because it never understood that.
The basic principle is be the best value/preformance/price.
All they ever did was : we do everything from floppy to cables to software to hardware.
Well let them keep their piece of crap.
I'd never buy an IMac. It's like I bought one of the first Korean cars or appliances (NOW Korea does a lot of nifty things). It looks good and has a lot of gadgets but is filled with CRAP!
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Nobody has the patience nor the time to go through all our mails, but if it helps finding people connected to the attack, then so be it.
Does this mean surveillance, I don't think so and they shouldn't unless autorized by a judge.
Listening to phone calls is essentially the same.
For me as long as they get a judge order, then they could track someone's mail and I won't object.
The only question left is which countrie's judge wshould order such a thing. If I am from X country, should a Y country judge allow reading my mail? I don't know an answer for this.
Note: Most Third World nationals leave their countries to America and the West to get away from injustice, corruption, state terror and live and speak freely. This includes most non Western countries. Those who launched the New York attack are the same assholes that many in those countries tried to get away from!
I really think we should avoid those people altogether. On the other hand, I think someone should refute what he says publicly.
What I am really suggesting is a public destruction of his reputation as a knowledgeable person, because he definitly isn't. Gosh, he even claims we discovered how bad our OS is.
These people shouldn't write or even talk on any media of any type. So what's the solution? Publish logical deconstruction of anything he writes anywhere, until someone at ABC or wherever else those people work, gets the hint and fires them. Pure and simple.
Stupidity is a very dangerous thing. Stupidity disguised as intelligence is public enemy no 1 of humanity. You don't believe me? Look at how extreme stupidity drove Germans to elect Hitler.
So let's get working on eradicating it peacefully. Public destruction of such people should be encouraged.
Truth to tell no difference at all. Except, Debian always ships with much older and more stable versions of many packages. This way, it looks more stable as a whole.
Either than this, they are all the same. They all package free (as in freedom) software developed by someone else.
RedHat however has the best balance when it comes to ease-of-use/stability/quality/support....
It has also built a good brandname, kindda like Sony for electronics. Sony stuff might not always be the best, but you know it's among the best.
As for hardcore geeks prefering Debian. I think it's mostly the "I don't use what newbies use" attitude or maybe it's "I use something very few use"
Anyway, conclusion: they are 90% same stuff with some version number difference.
You don't have to compile anything. Sit tight, wait for rpms, debs and use helix-update to update your packages.
Can't get any simpler really.
have you noticed the page asks to come back with a decent browser. Well the words are not exact, but I remembered we had that talk about Mozilla.
Then I thought that well the W3C folks are not that nuts.
I think we do need Mozilla team balls to be squeezed a bit so that they'd deliver a browser soon. And I am talking browser.
Of course, this is off-topic.
Ok,
This simply means company is going to offer support to people who have RedHat installed.
While this might seem stupid, I think it is normal they start by supporting one distro then move on with others as time goes on.
galeon is an example of what a browser can be.
Sure it doesn't have a nice UI, but the thing is fast. It uses gecko engine and moz-embed whatever widget.
It works for god's sake. And I am sure with 3 UI designers we could get a working, standar compliant browser in no time.
Then my question is what the heck those people are actually doing? These questions beg some answer.
I can't believe they are unable to release a browser at that point in time. Look at Galeon, it works.
Modern mozilla UI sucks big time. Damn, I won't even go into the mail/news client love of huge bloat.
I could decode my mail if saved in assembly faster that it could show me those same messages.
I seriously think someone has to step in, take the open source components, write a UI in a couple of days and make a damn release.
Yep this is good.
Anyone from Linux world care to look at it?
Maybe launch a sourceforge project.
Aren't Quake III, UT already 3D and interactive and handle many users online?
Now imagine taking this, adding vision interaction, voice interaction.
Now change the whole setting so that the scene is not walls and monsters but apps, files and folders.....
Any thoughts?
Helix code has shown the road to other folks.
.deb for debian based ... on the fly then install them.
It simply supports as many Linux's as it is humanly possible, plus some non linux os's.
Game companies, app companies should simply do the same.
Make sure their stuff works ok on all systems.
It IS really easy since most of the time all that is really big is the set of data files which usually happen to be the same for all platforms including non linux platforms.
Next you got the binaries which can be the same for all again, it leaves libraries (drivers...). Heck they could have the installer build RPM for each distro,
Why is that still a problem.
It's not like you have to compile those things, they are closed-source.
I have been using RedHat distro since 5.0 and I have only once had a problem with kernel compile and recompile and it was because I did not follow the instructions correctly.
......
Hell, if you only follow MaximumLinux magazine kernel compilation guide, written for utter newbies, you will be able to do the job easily.
And btw, I have never read kernel-howto.
Use make xconfig
Since RedHat 5.2 if I remember, any user could shutdown the machine from gdm, or kdm (gnome kde display managers)
....
Under RedHat (since 6.0), you can now access most administration functions by entering a password at a prompt. This goes for ppp configuration, linuxconf (if properly installed)
More of this and the ability for sys admins to easily turn the feature off would make everybody happy.
Plus, you can now configure most of Linux using Linuxconf in text/web/gui modes.
Moreover if you use gnome, you can just go to helix-code, launch that helix-update thing and you are done. Same thing goes with up2date from RedHat if you bought support.
Playing games is getting easier, installing StarOffice/Corel Office 2000 is trivial.
Most video cards are recognized at installation by most distros (if not all), same goes for sound cards.
You can now even buy your own video card driver from companies like Xi Graphics, printer drivers from ESP PrintPro if I remember correctly.
I would say we are 80% down the ease-of-use road,
and gnome will certainly look better and easier to use with Eazel's work and Helix/Code work in at most a year.
On the other hand, companies like Corel have succesfully done the whole thing with KDE.
So I'd say we are 90% down the road.
Finally why is everybody bitching about Linux usability? Is it just another die-hard myth or are you using pre-historic versions of distros?
As much as I don't care what happens to Microsoft, I'd like to see this drag on forever as long as real pressure from government/judge is still there.
Linux has benefited most of this and will continue to do so as long as this actually stays in the spotlight.
After that, Microsoft (if left whole) could start toying with RedHat/VA Linux/Caldera stock and future without even doing it itself and that might not be a nice thing for Linux.
So please Judge/Gov/Micro, keep up the pressure and the break-up warnings or just break the company into:
-NT
-Win9x
-Office/Visual Dev software
-hardware: mice, gamepads/wheels, soundsystems....
This would be nice for Linux as it will then get Office, Visual Studio et al...., win9x would die and that is a good thing. Win NT would survive and stay strong and that is also a good thing for competition is always a plus for consumers (us).
Do you think the Judge reads Slashdot? Can we ask him?
What about an interview with Judge Jackson here on Slashdot? Is it even possible?
I mostly agree with you, except that I have been using Linux for 2 years (not much above your 18 months limit) starting with RedHat 5.0, and feel insulted
It simply is the best distro as far as I am concerned. But then I never used any other distro nor do I care to do it nor do I care if they all cease instantly to exist.
RedHat has been an excellent distro for me and being on their watch-list means that I know about updates and security holes and have access (free) to their update site (sometimes laggy but they all are when you have a 33.6 modem).
You must however understand that in the group of RedHat bashers you will find "offended virgins" who don't like the "commercial aspect" of RedHat (in truth their success) but would still buy Suse/Slackware (the first a real commercial thing, the second the first commercial and failing Linux company), or even worse Mandrake/Macmillan/Joe Schmuck (all redhat-based) distros.
Oh but I forgot, they are better RedHat than RedHat, when all Mandrake did was recompile packages for pentium machines. Dammit guys, there is a CD with src.rpms on any RedHat distro and yes you can all recompile them (it will take less time than waiting for your Mandrake).
There are also the elitists who don't like RedHat because so many people use it. These people will be the first to leave Linux when it really reaches world-domination and would maybe go with Hurd (DUH!) or *BSD*, *BeOS* (but then they'll bitch about GPL and hail NOT GPL).
These folks would even support Windows if it was on the loosing side, believe me.
While waiting for this to happen, have fun with this new release. I am gonna buy my copy as soon as I can.
Peace and NO I don't have shares in RedHat nor do I work for RedHat nor am I going to an interview for a job at RedHat nor do I have plans to do so.
Well, let me phrase this simply. I use Linux at home. I have been using it since RedHat 5.0
Now I am at RH 6.1.
The only thing keeping RH6.1 on my disk is the lack of Gnome under Corel Linux as RedHat has always claimed high and loud and still is claiming that it dosn't give a damn about desktop users and won't in this millenium. They want to run after appliances and I wish them good luck. However, I'd laugh myself out in 10 years when they start fighting for survival like SGI is doing now. You know the enterprise market is not as big as the home market, and I am not even talking about the supposedly future of appliances !!
The only think keeping Win95 on my disk is the lack of international in Netscape (try to read arabic pages there) But Mozilla have been working on this and I see advance. So there is hope here.
Now for Corel, put Gnome on your desktop and I swear I'll switch as has/will probably do a lot if not all current RedHat desktop users.
Ciao
That is all I have to say!
Sun has bitched so much about JAVA that I am becoming sick of them.
As far as I am concerned, there Java tactics have been as evil if not more than MS tactics in other places!
But if you really like Java, then you should bitch about it like you did with Corel.
Slashdot them for Blackdown's sake!
Even though it looks like flame, it isn't.
Where are all those debian bigots badmouthing about RedHat's supposedly spamming them?
Or maybe, they didn't get the letter???
Or was it just that it was RedHat!
It will run gnome, no Linux/Gnome/GNU/whatever!
Where can I preorder one ?
This was an excellent analysis. That is what I always believed. People want what they are used to, and more and more people are using Linux (students the future ceo's it's etc...)
Ok,
If it's true, good for them, they need apps. And, I think that buying key companies that make Linux cool is good.
On the other hand, I would have loved to see them buy VMWare and open source whatever they can in it!
Of course, these bought companies should be independent divisions of redhat that keep their name and employees etc....
Ok, so they want an award! Great!
Now why didn't they do it this more seriously?
I mean are they on drugs or something?
All linux developers are worthy of being nominated! Hell, Linux developers are those who have helped most the GNU spirit, after Linux companies (they did it with the suits).
The only serious way to do this is to include all known developers, market people of the GNU world, be it Bob Young, Alan Cox, Linux Torvalds, Eric Raymond, Caldera Folks, Debian, *Bsd* etc.....
Only then should be a general vote on who gets the most vote based on a one year activity.
Other than that, you are only making a joke of yourselves and GNU in general!
Man, Bill Gates?
Who in Hell or Heaven actually typed his name on that website?!!! This guy/girl should stop taking drugs while working!
Ok, beat it!
Go work for Redmond or maybe you do!
I have RedHat 6.1, and it rocks.
And I have never been able to fail in installing any package!
And btw, instead of f**king around like this, use gnorpm with rufus.w3.org/linux/RDF, to get any god damn software you want in rpm format.
Not satisfied, get the f***ing src rpm and type rpm --rebuild blahblahblah!
Not satisfied, build it you idiot!
Ciao
Yes you'd better thank Loki and other REAL game coders!
;)
If you want to win the desktop, the only way is to have games games and again games!
There are 3 types of desktop buyers:
-The Norton Virus folks. They won't buy Linux for another 5 years! And, in any case, they don't spend much on software!
-The gamers. Give them games and they'll get it!
And they buy a lot of software and hardware!
-The sohos. The most advanced of them might give a try to Linux, but I doubt it, yet!
So no desktop for Linux unless we get games, gamers will bring sohos in a few years and then the Norton folks!
Otherwise, Linux will be a good SERVER, nobody will use it as anything else, and since most users will still be on Win95/98/2000...., they'll want NT on every BOX, and finally Linux like other Uni*s will start loosing ground except in some really invisible places!
That will not bring money or any world domination to Linux!
So beat it all of you lousy sys admins
Ciao
No,
RedHat employs Linux developers and improves it.
I haven't seen Mandrake do anything. Until then they can get no respect or cash from me.
I am happy to say I turned 7 possible Mandrake's customers back to RedHat.
Mandrake sucks!
and you can flame me if you wanna!
It's the pure and unalduterated truth!
Well,
PCT's winmodem (PCI bus) has been released for Linux too. At least OEM's can get them for now!
So, there is no end to winmodems unless you mean that now it is winmodem/linuxmodem
All companies copy each other. This is true for cases, hardware, etc...
All cars look the same now.
This is what business is about. Apple is dead and will stay dead because it never understood that.
The basic principle is be the best value/preformance/price.
All they ever did was : we do everything from floppy to cables to software to hardware.
Well let them keep their piece of crap.
I'd never buy an IMac. It's like I bought one of the first Korean cars or appliances (NOW Korea does a lot of nifty things). It looks good and has a lot of gadgets but is filled with CRAP!