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John B. Random writes "I see that Science Fiction Crowsnest has got it's hands on the leaked details of the new Star Trek show set to replace Voyager, Star Trek Excellent." Stupid name but the plot did actually read interesting.
I am really tired of the whole ST big ship thing. The Defiant, their smallest whooping ship, needs 50 crew, and even Voyager's Delta Flyer needs four people. Let's get us a show in North America based on the "one over many" concept, where one man/woman/furry blue creature from Alpha Centauri (oops, some Hitch-Hiker slipped in there) can make a real difference to the universe.
Oh, and nowhere in the universe should I be able to find Minmei.
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Not to nitpick too much, but it was a Sovereign class Starship that got controlled with a joystick(in Insurrection.
The Sovereign is quite a bit smaller and more agile than the Galaxy class, but still much larger than the Defiant. Cheers
Cliff Palmer, Jr.
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Correct. There has been mention in TOS (The Original Series) of a race called the Precursers, who seeded a number of planets. It's not at all made clear in this ep. if these people are them, though -- they are the ones who seeded Miri's planet, for instance, which implies a much later time frame than the people of the TNG ep. :)
The ulimate goal, as I recall, was to see the various intelliegences of the galaxy live in peace. Needless to to say, they missed a ittle on that one.
Well if I remember correctly, what the aliens had said was that they had spread their genetic code on planets that had already developed primitive life, so that would make that after the sequence in "All Good Things..."
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Hey, I love star trek and I got a miniture Enterprise-D to prove it, but I think Iain M. Banks is far more creative than the star trek writers.
First off, the ship names are better. In star trek, all the ship names are like "Enterprise," "Excelsior," and "Defiant" while the culture has more interesting names such as GCU Prosthetic Conscience (my fav) and GSV No Fixed Abode. Also, the characters in the Culture are also smarter. I remember in Excession where a bot, about to be destroyed, fakes a suicide attack but instead uses it's laser to burn an encoded message onto the enemy ship's hull. Kirk/Picard/Sisko/Janeway would never have thought of something like that! The aliens are also much more interesting (probably because they are part of a book, not a tv show - no need for puppets/models/customes) but just to give you an idea, see what an Idiran looks like. Finally, the idea of a hedonistic society where you got perfect genes, a built in PDA, and the abilitity to change hex sounds a lot more exciting than exploring space and meeting strange aliens that all look alike.
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Seat belts or harnesses!! How many generations of Starfleet ships have existed only to kill half their bridge crew upon impact with some weapon (everyone goes flying around with exploding panels). Klingons have had half a mind to put shoulder harnesses for gunners. Even the Defiant has everyone sitting or standing unrestrained.
The Universal Translator shouldn't be the instant language solution. I can't believe that thing could decipher any alien language just for the sake of having all actors speak English. Foreign tongues and subtitles do come in handy sometimes. Oh, and why do the more intellectual aliens get universally translated with British accents??
Use less bipedal humanoid aliens. It's getting silly seeing the same actors wearing rubber suits and multi orifice masks. They need more aliens that look, well "alien!" More 8479-type aliens. Things with more/less than two legs or arms, different locomotion (levitation, crawling, rolling, etc)
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There is pretty good evidence that same-sex preferences are "natural" for individuals across several species. Of course, medical science is likely to view a lot of things as disorders - witness the first edition of DSM, which noted a "runaway slave disorder" as a legitimate mental illness definition. Or the speech therapists who "cured" a friend of mine of his Louisiana accent at age eight. Or the number of surgeries, electroshock therapies, etc., which have been administered to make individual appearances and behaviours less "unnatural" and disturbing.
My recommendation: get therapy. You have a mental illness, xenophobia. It's not natural. You yourself know that something is wrong with you, as you have taken steps to conceal it. Let's pray for a cure soon!
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I know I massacared his name...
But Star trek excellent? I know bill and Ted adventures were funny, but I doubt that Mr. reeves will come back to play a dimwitted teenager in searh of excellence with his mighty guitar and badly knarled english...
"Excellent Bill, hey captian, can we try that guitar riff at warp nine?"
I know sensless drivel... but if any part of this supposed star trek series has the word excellent anywhere near it, the roddenberry family need to go on a axe-murder rampage....
What's next? a TV series based on the Foundation series with bobcat Goldthwait and Carrot-top as the lead characters or better yet.. Gilbert Godfrey! he'd make a great alien!
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Well, according to the Star Tech technical manual (yeah..I've got one), all computer consoles consist of touch screen panel illuminated/powered by one of those plasma channels (sorta like a high energy conduit).
The concept behind the panels includes a fully customizable set of controls and very high resolution display - all inside a thin plate of some material that has the appearance of a "Miracle Thaw" (and behaves like one when not powered up).
It sounds like you are uncomfortable with gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. That's too bad for you, but there is help available. The majority of mental health professionals call that homophobia and are happy to help you overcome that anxiety.
I'm gay and what you said is offensive. Just because you don't want to see "yucky" homosexuality on TV doesn't mean I don't. Maybe I want to see a gay character in Star Trek? After all, I loyally watched ST:TNG for many, many years.
It's probably difficult for you to understand, as you think we're "yucky", but queers have to put up with straight poeple flaunting their sexuality in our faces every day.
So, basically, asking to see ourselves portrayed on TV isn't asking much.
Dunno. Sponge Bob and Catdog are two of my kid's (age 4) favorite shows. There are infinitly worse shows on TV that these two (most of daytime TV, I supposes). At least Catdog teachs something about friendship and loyalty in a way that kids can understand.
He likes Star Trek too, but never got into DS9. And, he loves to watch Will Smith dodge that "green %$&*" fired at him by the "bad aliens".
I do not require validation from a television series to feel good about myself. I feel good about myself anyway.
I do require that people extend the same level of civility that common courtesy demands. You have proven yourself lacking in this regard.
Why fear and loathe us? There are so many other reasons to hate people based on defects in the character.
-- benton.
Your point in well made, but I find it difficult to believe that Star Trek is geared towards children. Maybe.
But I find it interesting to note that for many, many years in Indianapolis ST:TNG and DS9 were shown at night around 10:30 P.M. Of course, they did air each week's new episode on Saturdays around 6:00 P.M.
I guess I'm not sure, but I would say that Star Trek is geared towards a wider audience than just children.
Ahh, but I am asexual...
that is a *choice* so why cant homosexality be a choice too?
Didn't Picard have a male/male romance anyway?
:-)
I know that Beverly had a delicious female/female thing once
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Meaning, you choose to reproduce asexually? That's a neat trick, I bet.
Babylon5 and DS9 had one remarkable thing in common: They both sucked until the wars started (the war with the Dominion in DS9 and the Shadow War in B5.)
Of course, when they go good, they were MUCH better than any but the best episodes of the other Star Trek series'. B5 was even better because it didn't stop every few episodes to do some stupid human interest/secondary-character character growth episode.
I belive your right. I've got two points to back up this statement. One absents makes the heart grow stronger. So maybe with a break will it will come back and everyone will like. Now please PLEASE I'm not trying start a flame war. Please everyone put down the fire hoses. But Look at Star Wars. There was a 25 year break and now everyone loves it again. Perhaps that is the way to go.
How do you think a straight male would feel if guys kept flirting with him?
He'd reconsider when it came time to re-up in the Navy.
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So I gather Cmdr. Data isn't under the General Public Licence? Bad, bad, bad...
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hehe, not quite...
i just dont have any lust...
(... for humans that is... ooooh pi, fibanocci...)
Star Trek: Holodeck Island -- the name says it all.
Hmmm...sounds good, but I don't know how the characters would respond to having Khan for a host. (or Soren, from Generations, if you go by the new series)
I always wanted a Love Boat Star Trek.
How about a revival of Space 1999! Even better series than Voyager!
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I love Star Trek, but it really is getting a little tired. DS9, Voyager. It's an unpleasant trend.
-awc
Why do you people dislike Voyager so damn much? I thought the last season was very good. I was very scared when they realized they were in the Borg area of the Delta Quad. I think it would be very scary if they ventured to the Borg Homeworld like the great book, Star Trek The Return.
-brandon
"when i needed you most, when i needed a friend, you let me down now, like i let you down then."
There are three plots to choose from for TNG:
* Evil Data
* Stuck on Holodeck
* Q
Sometimes you can mix them, and have evil data on
the holodeck.
demi
But Dax was so much better looking! Why couldn't they have killed Kira and kept Dax. Oh crap. Now I've fallen to talking about alien chicks on Star Trek. Kill me now.
After all, both the original series and TNG had no mention of the ship name in the series title.
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OK, I'm probably going to piss off a few folks here by saying this, but I just have to say it.
Ever since Roddenbary died the series has been running on inertia. I would equate the lax plot and writing styles (nevermind the always shoddy Voyager series) to the malaise that set in under John Nathan Turner's tenure as Doctor Who's producer (might I add his tenure resulted in the death of that once fine series?). We have a producer (Berman) who seems more interested in flash and money than pushing the bounds of modern science fiction, which Roddenbery did so well during the original series and during the majority of TNG (you could see when Berman and co. really asserted their influence-the latter half of season 6 and season 7 of TNG were the worst of the lot). What Paramount needs is to get someone in there who really wants to get the franchise back on its feet and return it to its roots-well thought out and inventive stories. Instead I'm seeing more and more stories which rehash the series past without any real creative influx-anyone who remembers the last 9 years of Doctor Who (especially 1984-1989) and the new adventures will agree with me.
I'm glad somebody else remembers this, but it was the Preservers, not the Precursers.
MSK
Slashdotted already...mirrors anyone?
Hmm.. how long before Naga shows up? O.O
> The crew finding an unknown piece of alien technology, and immediately knowing how to operate it/reprogram the computer
Thats actually quite trivial. They only have to figure out whether the alien race belongs/belonged to the good or the bad guys. Group one uses Unix, so they take some time to compile their favorite tools but then can work very quickly. Group two uses Windows - Which are usually the episodes where the person at the keyboard is heard saying "Almost got it. One more minute, I have nearly figured it out. Damn, Bluescreen!"
I am just as much of an ST fan as the next pointy eared fool, all the way back to the original, but I have to ask if I'm the only feeling like it's time this all saw the closing curtain. Doesn't the phrase "water from a stone" come into anyone else's mind reading about this?
Good one. Very funny.
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If the series is set in Star Trek's past, how can they invent a never-before-seen technology to save them at the end of the episode?
MSK
This is getting ridiculus! (i know that isn't spelled right). It started losing it's appeal after Deep space 9.
Well at least titles like that would work for Slayers.
What is biologically incorrect about homosexuality? (Hint: kin selection) (Clue: if that hint means nothing to you, perhaps you should learn your biology from books written in this century)
Yup yup yup, sturm an drang all the way! (the patter is wonderful tho- the posting deserves a higher rating than zero!)
Star Trek: Enema would be more interesting than Voyager. The plot lines in ST:V were hokey, and the dialog wasn't very belivable.
We don't suffer from a "condition" any more than a black person suffers from their skin color.
I have a real problem with your statement that gay people don't propogate. That's an incredibly short-sighted statement to make. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean that he/she doesn't want children. There are non-traditional ways of having babies.
We've existed all throughout time, and will always be here.
What happens after six months? It seems to me when the Federation's horde of Defiant-class starships show up and beat the living daylights out of everything in the quadrant (pursuant to the prime directive, of course), the meat of the story would be gone. Not a recipe for a long-running series (unless of course they get blasted into the Epsilon quadrant or the prophets disappear the Fed fleet or whatever).
Also: The USS Excellent? What, is this in homage to that 20th century classic Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure? How about the USS Homicidal Insanity, the USS Asswhupper? Hell, why not just have the Enterprise show up and save the day (neither the Voyager nor the Defiant look as cool as the old Galaxy class did).
In any case, so long as they don't wait three or four series to get cool like the last three series have, this plot looks promising.
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Holodeck mishaps that lead to danger and amusing adventures
Technobabble to cover up piss-poor plots
Major Kira
Incredibly powerful technology that's a plot device one week and never mentioned again
Major Kira
A brand-new alien race that's vaguely based on an old earth culture
Episodes written by more than eight people
Anyone read the Star Trek: New Frontier books? They are great. Great plot and by far the best crew. The captain has Picard's ability with Sisco's strength. Why don't they make a series based off this? Oh wait...this is pretty close. Hmm...lets hope they have a great crew! The Crew saved DS9!
-brandon
"when i needed you most, when i needed a friend, you let me down now, like i let you down then."
Anyone who's never had sparks or fires from their electronics, and can't tell what type of component is burning by the smell, just isn't pushing them hard enough :)
hawk, who was nonetheless surprised to find yout that you really do get thrown across the room for touching the coils on a 9" crt . . .
On TRO (The Real One), that's a constant issue with McCoy. But the budget didn't allow shuttles until the second season, so he spent a lot of time in them anyway. (For that matter, the transporter exists because the special effects for landing the ship each week were too expensive . . .)
(Heard about the USS Wyld Stallyn) Captain Bill:Whoa, you totally bones that Klingon in the Head, First Officer Ted! First Officer Ted: Yeah, he was a real bonehead!
>TOS covered the Federation when it was already mature
:)
umm, how do you define "mature" in a manner that allows sending Kirk around the galaxy in a heavily armed ship?
That was the real problem with the newer series: they introduced adult supervision:)
Apart from that, Voyager is pretty good. (But I'm several seasons behind... :-)
Something that explores the life of the Galaxy in more depth and gritty non-Starfleet life would be intriuging. I think they'd have to do a lot of work, but, to set it up. Maybe they could hire J Michael Stryczinski (sp?) to help.
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They all take place in the same time period.
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Why does the universal translator work for every language encountered but not work for Klingon?
Well i hope a law suit goes on. This is kinda blatently ripped off the comedy/action series The slayers. Its a japanesse animation that is on the second series here in the states called slayers next. I hear they have a third seson going on in japan called slayers excellent. prob just a coincidence but all the voices in my head can't be wrong can they?
"Star Trek! Excellent! Party Time!"
"Let's welcome out first guest ``the borg chick from First Contact.'' Scha-wing!"
Heh, Precursors was from a computer game. Ack, I can't think of the name, but it was in a series, I think three games. Typically, you has a Precursor vehicle and you went around talking to various races, getting resources, artifacts, etc. The Ur-Quan were evil, at least some of them, some of the time. Star Control, I think.
low production values (the amount of money spent to make it), bad acting, and terrible writing.
:(
it's a bad show, and does a huge disservice to the star-track story
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The Milky Way is 100,000 light years in diameter. It is in the part where we are 650 light years thick. So if you are going to divide into big chunks you can just as well leave away the third dimension. If you want more granularity the quadrants are way too big.
More proof that Neo == Ted (or was that bill, whatever)
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Well that's just like the classic trek were someone who wasn't a regular and wearing a red shirt(security) would get killed. Talk about a cliche.
How can you devide 3d space into only 4 quadrents? (in a similar way to the x-y grid)
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Yeah i wonder why Earth is the center? Wasn't Vulcan where it all started? also the new rts game tells the story of the beggining of the Federation.
-brandon
"when i needed you most, when i needed a friend, you let me down now, like i let you down then."
Are you an expert?
Because the REAL experts say otherwise. The American Psychiatric Association took homosexuality off their list of mental disorders in 1973. In 1975 the American Psychological Associate passed a resolution supporting the action.
They did this because homosexuality is not associated with emotional or social problems. In other words, we have normals lives. That's why you can't compare us to people with ADD or schizophrenia. Something isn't a mental disorder *just* because of something chemically wrong inside our bodies. If that were true then we'd all be mentally disturbed by your definition.
Nope. You're wrong. It's geared toward children. The movies? A wider audience, perhaps. But the television franchise is kiddie stuff. Just check the tie-ins. Hell, there was a Star Trek cartoon on Saturday mornings for a while.
Action figures, toy lines sold in WAL-Marts. Comic books on the racks in grocery and drug stores. It's aimed at children. If you're unsure about a show's target audience, check out the commercials. In most markets, it's sugary sweet cearals or super soaker ads. Maybe a commercial for the new rasslin' toys will be in there too.
For the shows to become more mature, they will need a network whose call letters can't be mistaken for "Ubran Programming Network" and have fewer affiliates than even FOX.
You want good sci-fi aimed at adults? Check out the reruns of Alien Nation on Sci-Fi. It was one of the best series that FOX ever cancelled. Adult themes, issues and dialogue. They canned it after one season.
My gullibility needed an outlet, and it turns out that zoning on Star Trek Rev X.X is a lot cheaper than Scientology.
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I agree, with the slow progress in genetic manipulation (i.e. Dolly the sheep), how is it that Japanese scientists are making progress toward Having chicken-of-the-sea?? Sounds kinda flaky.
I too am a little tired of the crap coming from DS9/Voyager. I would like to see a series like what Star Trek 2 (the series which turned into Star Trek: The Motion Picture) was supposed to be. The time between TMP and TWOK would be good. It would be hard considering DeForrest Kelley is dead and all the other stars are very much over the hill.. If you didn't focus on the Enterprise but another ship instead, that could be possible.
That's funny - I didn't even realize that such a series ever existed when I picked my nick.
:)
Actually, although the scenario I put together sounds like a parody/comedy, it doesn't necessary HAVE to be - I was thinking more along the lines of: crew of "average" beings (rather than the cream-of-the-crop which all StarFleet personnel supposedly are), somehow scraped together the resources to get their own starship (perhaps they own it communally and they're always trying to scrape together enough credits to make the mortgage payment).
They might not get along too well with each other, but they're all stuck with each other because of the financial obligations. They're always looking for the "big score", and willing to take a few chances (both physically & legally) to get it.
Anyway, there's lots of opportunities with a setup like that. I just get tired of seeing series where the main characters are always some kind of "elite", and they save the universe every other week. I'd like to see something where you stick a bunch of people like myself & my friends, with all the slovenly, neurotic & irrational behaviors we have, & put them into a science-fiction situation somewhere (hopefully, they have a chance to survive
On the funny side, you could have their weapons system running on Windows 30001 "damnit, another BSOD - hit ctrl-alt-del fast, we need those weapons!"
...a ship crewed entirely by (for some reason) the english
Why "for some reason"? Does the idea of a predominantly non-American spaceship crew strike you as odd?
With NASA's budget being whittled away year on year, and the continued absence of a commitment to send men to Mars, there's just no telling which nations - if any - will end up dominating the push out into space.
It'll probably be fully international projects all the way until launch costs come down. Then I'm sure we'll see a fair proportion of British, German, Russian, Australian, South African etc. missions.
America doesn't own space. They used to, but they found they didn't want it any more.
I'm guessing they were slashdotted and took it down, but it's back now (many days later...)
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Wow. You better check yourself. A guy wonders why everybody on Star Trek is straight and suddenly you're talking about "immoral fags spouting their bs philosophy while they blow each other in space"? Get some help, man. I know it's tough to be straight and all, but please!
... showing them something that might be (unfortunately) new to them.
Go read Nichelle Nicols biography and check out some of the hate mail she received when she was playing Uhura on the original series. That's you, brother. You "watch TV to be entertained", you don't want some "community's agenda" interfering with that. You're part of the "HUGE majority of Americans" who are "normal".
Man, even the fact that the characters in the original series could use technology without wearing glasses and pocket protectors was cutting edge stuff for the time. Where is the challenge in today's Star Trek? The leadership, the vision, the UNEXPECTED? Slashdot's opinion on Star Trek today seems to be "too bland". Your response: make it blander, gimme more of the same. Today's Star Trek has been Fortune 500 approved for saleability and cross-marketability.
And it has to be said: the guy in the dress wasn't necessarily gay, same as women in pants aren't necessarily lesbian. A hundred years ago women couldn't wear pants, but three or four hundred years from now men can't wear skirts?
>How will spacemen in dresses entertain the
>majority of the population?
They wouldn't. But talented, happy, productive characters who also happen to be homosexual might entertain them by opening their minds
Before the psychology profession cowered to political correctness, homosexuality was still considered deviate. The typical homosexual also suffers from some form of depression and is very likely to attempt suicide. THis remains true even in liberated open places.
These are the same people who say pedophilia is fine. These are the same people who say that fathers are useless in children's lives. These are the same people who bow to poltical correctness and its hatred of straight men.
Compared to the APA, I guess I am an expert.
And for the record, while homosexuality is *not* listed as a mental disorder in the most recent DSM (the "manual" for shrinks), homophobia *is*.
Here we have evidence of how political correctness has infected the APA. I also find it interesting that the APA in the DSM lists a sense of knowing your personal rights as a symptom of several disorders. I guess the NRA and ACLU have psychological problems.
...is an adaptation to an outside stimulus. So is homosexuality
Actually that's a fairly poor (though common) misinterpretation of how genetics is thought to operate. According to Dawkins, genes are the fundamental operator on adaptation, but they don't code for behaviour that "intentionally" abandons all reproductive opportunities, nor for any other altruistic behaviour, ie. self-sacrifice for the sake of one's distant kin. It's easily proven; a gene that results in an altruistic behaviour which effectively removes itself from the gene pool (eg a homosexual gene) will not be able to propagate itself, it is effectively committing suicide. Even if it has a beneficial effect on the population at large it is completely cut off from the positive effects of its own actions.
The only exception to this is self-sacrifice which directly benefits one's own direct descendants.
Don't take my word for it, go and read Richard Dawkins somewhat more deeply than you did before. His only serious critic is Steven Jay Gould but even he doesn't appear to contend this particular issue.
To summarize: homosexuality is not a positive adaptation in any respect. It is just one of thousands of possible maladaptations (we all have some of them).
Consciousness is not what it thinks it is
Thought exists only as an abstraction
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Why do they always have to put exsploding thigngs on the bridge to burn people? why don't they just put them somewhere else?? I mean, the only power they need near the bridge is to run there little TVs and stuff. That always irritated me...
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I can answer this question easily. Most of the heterosexual Americans (Heterosexual Americans are at least 98% of the population of the US.) are tired of the gay agenda being rammed down their throats. They are tired of hearing about how they have these secret bisexual fantasies that they know nothing about, and how it is abnormal not to have them. They are tired of being told that they are abusing children by being a father, or being married to one. They are tired of hearing about how beneficial pedophilia is for their children. They are tired of hearing how they are bigots for not sexualizing their children at 4 years old. They are tired of gays being given special rights.
One of the things that dateless heterosexuals are tired of hearing is that they are gay because they are dateless. Remember when the article about how American Singles was going to have their convention in Silicon Valley. Both here on /. and on the zdnet talkback some people start pushing that geeks are gay because of their apparent datelessness. I know that we are tired of this recruitment. On the zdnet talkback gays were saying how being gay made them better at computers. (If you don't believe me, go to the article and check the talkback.) I guess heteros are tired of being treated as if they have a mental disorder and being forced bi or gay.
or horny or whatever.
is fine by me!
TNG had the worst characterization I've ever seen. None of the crew had any limits. JL was a scrawny, ancient human who could go hand to hand with a battle trained Klingon (in one of Worf's home world adventures). Troi can empathically sense emotions across thousands of kilometers. Yet the crew keeps getting trapped in weird situations. The technology they use is totally bogus (the theory behind it). They only use it as a plot device to keep their story going. Someone else pointed out how an incredibly powerful, new technology will show up one episode and NEVER be mentioned again OR developed. The TNG ship, at the end of all those years and all those new technologies is the same ship as when it left. If they're going to work with characters, then work with characters. The tech should be in the background and NEVER solve the problem (a new form of tachyon inversion phase beam, captain). If they're going to work with tech, KEEP IT CONSISTENT. Don't allow ANY of the writers to introduce new tech in any story just to be the focus of that story. If any new tech DOES get introduced, be sure you understand the implications of that technology. Like in Voyager when the ship crashed into the ice planet and everyone died. But the survivors sent a message back in time to change the past. They could have made shorter hops and gotten home within a fraction of the time. But they just turn of the super drive and never mention it again. Or when we find that the USS Relativity is operating hundreds of years in the future. And handling time paradoxes. This means that NOTHING will ever threaten the Federation. We know they're around in a few hundred years and we know they can handle time travel. But I will agree that the writers NEED a coherent story line. No more episodic shows. Think up a story that can span 3 or 4 years and KEEP WORKING ON IT. Allow character growth and development. Kill main characters. Develop secondary characters. Do something more than the disjointed mess they've produced so far.
That actually sounds pretty damn good.
Hmmm, I guess nobody ever sat down and wondered exactly *what* Kirk and Spock were doing when the lights went off in Officer Country every night... there's a heap of fanfic on the topic though...
The point of this satrical comment, for those many of you too dense to understand, is that gay people, like black people, are a part of the world; you aren't required to like them, but you are required to tolerate them and acknowledge that they are part of the world. Ignorance solves nothing, and pulling the bedsheets over your head only makes you look like a fool.
I guess us queer folks don't exist in the 23rd century (or whenever it's supposed to take place).
Well, in the 23rd they're supposed to have cured the common cold and even headaches. Very likely by that time they would also have found a way to treat most neuroses including sexual deviations such as homosexuality*.
There was even a TNG episode about it. Yeah, I know, the episode was written to make a political point that was pro-choice. Well, it was written in Hollywood and I think most people would accept that the entertainment industry in general and specifically Hollywood has more than their fair share of gays.
Given the huge amount of Hollywood output we digest, it's no wonder the reprogramming of society to accept and embrace homosexual lifestyles has proceeded so quickly.
(*I know we're not allowed to think of homosexuality as a mental illness any more - but no political dogma lasts forever...thankfully...)
How long has it been since we have had a great show where we are egging on the bad guys. Something like the pirates in Galaxy express 999.
I hate to say this, but 6 billion people isn't overpopulation. In the next century when we solve most of the current world's problems, we will also colonize the oceans and part of space. This is going to require a lot of people at least 15 to 20 billion for starters (and this isn't even beyond the inner planets). Also, population in first world countries has been decling so the problem is being corrected there without homosexuality but with wealth. It doesn't need to be there.
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The Klingons and Romulans were not convinced. The whole thing could have been a hoax (Although, it would have to be a multi-million year old one perpatrated by individuals who knew something about the alien races that would come about in millions of years). One of the reasons that it was done was to give an answer to all those people who have always asked why there are so many humanoids in the Star Trek universe and why so many of them can interbreed. The answer: A bunch of enlightened, if highly narcissistic aliens sent out probes all over the galaxy that found promising species and then modified their dna to create something in their own image. It's not really all that implausable in the confines of the Star Trek universe. It certainly explains a lot. It does seem a little unusual that entirely different species can breed until you consider that they are _engineered_ even if their DNA is quite different, it has been designed with common characteristics so that when the DNA from a sperm cell ends up mixing with the DNA from an egg cell, they'll combine in the right way. Even if one species has copper-based green blood and another has Iron-based red blood, or even purple blood (do the Klingons have purple blood? Or was it just that one movie? I've seen Klingons bleed fairly normal looking blood before. Then again, maybe the purple color only comes out when it's richly oxygenated. After all, human blood is supposed to be surprisingly bright crimson right after it has passed through the lungs). Of course, there's always genetic drift to explain the cases where humans and aliens can't interbreed successfully, like Humans and Klingons (only with medical help, according to the Klingon/Human crossbreed woman that Worf had a child with). If you're wondering why it was never mentioned again, it's probably because the jury is still out. There are probably plenty of academics working on it, however. Probably the reason you don't hear about it all the time is the same reason you don't hear people talking about the life-bearing Mars meteorite deal all that much. People talked about it for a while, but nothing conclusive has come of it yet, so people are waiting for the next bit of news. As far as new technology, being developed, and then never being seen again, that's not entirely true. The metaphasic sheilding that was developed by that Ferengi scientist who was murdered in one episode of TNG was used later on by the Enterprise on at least one occaision (hiding from the Lore controlled Borg by flying close to a star). I seem to recall mentions of the same technology in Voyager and maybe Deep Space 9. I imagine it's just one more thing that gets folded into standard shield technology on a Fedaration starship. Positronic brain implants are done almost casually by doctor Bashir on DS9, while the technology wasn't well enough understood early in TNG to ever manage that. I've seen a few tricks that they came up with on the spot in TNG used almost casually in episodes of other Star Trek shows. For example, in an early DS9, they moved the entire station to the site of the wormhole using a trick developed in TNG to save a planet from a big rock (either an asteroid, or one of the planets moons) which was on a collision course (this was the same episode where Q was made human as a punishment and took refuge on the Enterprise).
and very hot to :)
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Huskies on one end. Chiuauas on the other. They breed. Do you end up with a Chiuaua the size of a Husky? Do you end up with a Husky the size of a Chiuaua? And NONE of that "original species" crap explains the Vulcan's blood or the Klingon's internal organ duplications. Even all life on Earth might have evolved from the same ORIGINAL life form (no Creationist arguments yet, please). But now, a human cannot impregnate a fish. Most that try would be submitted to mental wards. So, no. If that story was viable (given current genetic understanding), then the differences between the species are minor (genetically). This isn't so because Vulcan's and Human's don't have the same blood composition. So the differentiation must have happened far enough back so we each developed into our own species. Which means that we cannot inter-breed. Of course, NONE of this matters because in the last TNG show, Q shows Picard where life began on Earth and it wasn't because some alien race seeded the planet. Rewatch the tape if you don' believe me. Picard was risking the destruction of the entire race if he didn't grasp the concept of the vortex operating in reverse time. So, we have two non-compatible answers to the question of how life arose. And if we take either of them, we end up with situations where the races cannot inter-breed. Don't try to figure out the show. The writers didn't.
You expect consistency from a show that in it's previous incarnations (fondly referred to as "The Old Series") routinely killed off "The Red Shirt" (Let's put together the away team. Bones, Spock, Checkov, and McDeadGuy, meet me in transporter room three) Kids, it's a television show. Of course the good guys are going to pull something out of their proverbial ass at the last minute. (Oh, wait. I think I can just screw with he plot continuum, and the good guys (that's us) will live to see another day, just like the beginning of the show!) It allows them to syndicate it just like Three's Company, and show the episodes in whatever order they want, so only their hair style shows what season it's in. I'm just waiting for the movie where Jean Luc looses the rent money, and has to pretend he's gay so Admiral Ralph Furley doesn't suspect he's sleeping with Bev Crusher.
Kira's "evil twin" character was bi, and had quite the hedonist. There was also one or two eppisodes where Dax ran into an old lover of Kerzon's (sp?) who was female.
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With all these hundreds of comments, I imagine we lowly SlashDot readers 86'ed (or 8086ed?) the server containing the ST:Excellent story...why else would it suddenly go tits-up (or is that slash-dot?) after breaking news we Trek zombies would kill to read first-hand...
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sorry, I also wanted to mention that lesbianism is much more acsepted by American sociity then Male homosexuality. probably beacuse guys get off on it :)
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We don't suffer from a "condition" any more than a black person suffers from their skin color.
Utter rubbish. Black skin is an evolutionary adaptation to protect against UV damage from the sun. It helps aboriginal black humans to survive in a harsh climate and thus achieve reproductive success. The adaptation is of course useless in temperate climates (and may even carry a negligible penalty in terms of reduced vitamin D secretion). But its validity as a positive adaptation to the native environment is unassailable.
Homosexuality on the other hand is a mental condition that, even if it does nothing else, by definition always tends to interfere with the natural process of sexual reproduction. It is therefore always a maladaptation.
This may be difficult for you to accept because it doesn't support your distorted world view but these are simply the facts.
I have a real problem with your statement that gay people don't propogate. That's an incredibly short-sighted statement to make. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean that he/she doesn't want children. There are non-traditional ways of having babies.
I see. Well, you'd need a whole lot of stuff to help you there. But why should anyone help you? You've made a choice that doesn't easily result in babies. Fine. But it was your choice.
Besides, if the gays are right about homosexuality being congenital (and I simply don't believe it is anything more than a minor contributory factor) but if they were right, then how stupid would it be to use technology to increase the frequency of these genes in the gene pool?
Make your choice, mister. You can be a homosexual or you can be a parent. But nowhere in nature does it say that you're entitled to be both.
We've existed all throughout time, and will always be here.
Don't bank on it. One day there will be a technology that cures homosexuality. Then the next time our society goes through a repressive moralistic phase, it will be used. And once it's used routinely, that will be the end of it. i.e., we only have to get rid of you once and then, abracadabra (I nearly said "poof!"), no more "gay" lobby, ever.
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Well, yes, obviously homosexuality is a deviation from the majority (usually heterosexual) of human sexual behavior. But yellow roses are a deviation from the majority (usually red and pink) of the colors of roses that exist in the world, yet I don't think you would attach a positive or negative moral attribute to such a difference. There is a *big* difference between something being "not the norm" and something being "not normal"- much less making a value judgement like "immoral".
Psychology as a branch of scientific inquiry is less than 100 years old and constantly changing- not, as you claim, for political reasons, but because of new data, new studies, new medical breakthroughs, etc.
And for the record, while homosexuality is *not* listed as a mental disorder in the most recent DSM (the "manual" for shrinks), homophobia *is*.
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Well, geez, if everyone you knew and everywhere you looked every day of your life gave you the overall impression that you're some type of sicko, that your relationships are inferior to other people's "real" relationships, that you've got some sort of agenda to take over the world (?!), and overall you would be better off lying in a ditch somewhere, wouldn't *you* be just a tad distressed? Maybe after taking this kind of crap for years, wouldn't you would want to stand up for your rights and demand to be treated like an actual human being?
As a lesbian, I would have to say that I do not "suffer" from homosexuality in the same way that I do not "suffer" from being a woman or a brunette or tall or (FSVO) intelligent. I suffer only when these attributes are held up as being somehow lacking or immoral when compared to any other set of descriptors.
Am I depressed sometimes? Yes, but I'd chalk it up to my own reactions to being harassed or ignored or minor things like almost getting kicked out of my house as a kid by gay-hating parents.
It is the societal stigma that causes "suffering", not the being a dyke in and of itself.
Don't forget:
Star Trek: World funniest home videos.
Star Trek: Cops! On Location. (think Men In Black)
Star Trek: X-Files.
Star Trek: ER (I need 5 units of Vulcan Z++, STAT)
Star Trek: G vs E.
Star Trek: (any MTV dating game).
Star Trek: The Real World (A group of cadets agree to let us film their lives at the acadamy).
Well, a black person in the first half of this century could be said to be 'suffering' due to there skin color, witch is defnetly a 'condition'
anyway, Gays can't reporduce unless they do somthing that they don't really want to do (from what I understand), so it is most certanly a genetic 'flaw'. With homosexuality becoming more acsepted, less and less gay people will be having childern. it may be removed by the 24th century
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Star Trek aliens had makeup on something more than their faces/necks. I realize this will likely be moderated Flamebait, and so be it, but honestly, I find their aliens/races rather uninteresting.
Furthermore, it seems that they mix at will, and the mixing doesn't do much to produce a more exciting race, and the ony way you can tell the difference is if you watch the show more than once, or memorize all the different tattoes they like to wear. Or their big hair and ridged foreheads (re: Klingons).
I'm not saying Star Trek isn't a good show, because I like it and I used to watch it every day (back in the days when I watched T.V.) but I don't anymore, and I love Star Wars a heck of a lot more than I like Star Trek, maybe because they seem more creative or something.. It couldn't be the fact that their alien races actually look like alien races, or that they have lightsabers, or....
But back on topic, I think this is interesting, and I'd certainly try it out. Yay Star Trek!
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I'm sure GR cares. I'm sure his family cares, and anyone who understands the underlying theme of Star Trek will care.
Speak for yourself. I always subscribed to the underlying themes of racial harmony etc. And I can accept cultural relativism as long as we are talking about practices in alien cultures. But I like my own society to be what it is, and I like my Trek without any gay activist dogma or perverted sexual practices.
'Nuff said.
How about something that is different?
we've had 4 series about nothing but plot re-cycling. I have seen origional ST plots used blatently in every other series with only DS9 having the only origional worth. The whole thing needs a death and quickly... now seeing a series based on First contact as the beginning this would be interesting.... the beginnings something new.. instead of mindless saving of the universe every week....
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
That is the worst name I've ever heard for a show, with the possible exception of CatDog (the wonderful Nickelodeon series about a cat and a dog attached at the ass). Who is writing these plots, untrained rabid monkies?
It sounds like you are uncomfortable with gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. That's too bad for you, but there is help available. The majority of mental health professionals call that homophobia and are happy to help you overcome that anxiety.
You're being disingenuous. Of course, he is the normal one; and you are the one who needs help. Unfortunately, medical help for homosexuals is not yet available. I do advocate treating sufferers with tolerance and sympathy. However, just because the disease has no known cure it doesn't mean that the rest of us need to accept the disease's victims, and their resultant disturbed behaviour patterns, as normal.
We live in a relativistic age where it is considered "politically incorrect" to voice negative feelings about other people's lifestyle choices, no matter how obnoxious. Of course medical health professionals are no exception. But even so there are still a few of us who still remember which way is up.
I'm gay and what you said is offensive. Just because you don't want to see "yucky" homosexuality on TV doesn't mean I don't. Maybe I want to see a gay character in Star Trek? After all, I loyally watched ST:TNG for many, many years.
That a heterosexual worldview might appear offensive to a gay is simply irrelevant. As a human being you have the same rights as any heterosexual, but those are broadly heterosexual rights. Being "gay" does not entitle you to any extra rights of course.
I don't particularly care what you watch. I certainly don't care what you want to see. As far as I'm concerned, it would be totally unacceptable to allow mainstream TV (or society in general) to be twisted to suit your perverted preferences. If you (and your kind) actually pushed hard enough to get your own way on this I can more or less guarantee a fairly violent backlash from the (usually silent) "moral" majority.
If you must see homosexual soft porn on TV then get a video or a private cable channel or something. It's wrong of you to expect the rest of us to put up with it.
It's probably difficult for you to understand, as you think we're "yucky", but queers
have to put up with straight poeple flaunting their sexuality in our faces every day.
That's just tough. We're normal, you're not (you chose not to be_. You've no right to complain.
So, basically, asking to see ourselves portrayed on TV isn't asking much.
Realistically, it's more than you're ever likely to get. Most of us don't particularly want to see you on the TV, and of us are sickened by the prospect. If you push the issue too far I think you might be unpleasantly surprised by the consequences (all gays effectively forced back underground). But then, that is bound to happen sooner or later anyway - history is a pendulum and I'd guess we should expect the backswing fairly soon, within 20 years.
Much as I'd hate to add to the negativity on Slashdot, with topics like Star Trek a regular recurring feature, I feel forced. I think I'll never understand what people see in this cheap looking soap in space. Is it the complete lack of human traits like fallibility or greed in the completely two-dimensional hero characters? Is is that the holodeck makes anything goes as far as plot goes not just a possibility but that they actually do it? Or perhaps simply that even the most bizarre backward alien species they'll find in any quadrant 60 million light years from earth looks like a human with rubber acne on his face? I'm sorry, I'm really not aiming to mock Trekkies (my girlfriend is one), I just really don't understand what they see that I don't.
That's right, we follow the adventures of the intrepid crew of the USS Red Dwarf, a ship crewed entirely by (for some reason) the english. And a cat. And a hologram. And (later) a mechanoid. And (even later) a woman.
OK, you guessed: Actually, we just retread the old Red Dwarf episodes with a new Trek-type opening sequence (the voiceover would be dymanic, featuring Holly's introduction to the series and the requisite joke about gym teacher's IQ).
Disadvantages: Lack of women in skin-tight outfits. Advantages: Lack of women, surplus of beer.
So, it's cheap to produce and Rick Berman wouldn't be able to fsck it up. Any takers?
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Not as bad as the second series, when she let a bunch of fools with ludicrous hair and pop-guns steal the ship, stranding the entire crew. Oh, except for madman hiding in the vents, ready to save the day.
A pity Suter's character showed too much promise to live.
It says a lot about the vision of the producers that the best actor on the show seems to have been hired for her body. Funnily enough, like Troi before her on TNG, 7of9 looks better in a regulation uniform than spray-on spandex. Maybe she'll go the way of Suter, if she gets too interesting, or interferes with Janeway's erratically-written character once too often.
God knows, the writers wouldn't be smart enough to eliminate Janeway and Chakotay, and make Tuvok the captain and 7of9 first officer -- the ship might actually get home!
I don't know... Homosexuality used to bother me, but it dosn't really anymore. but I still don't know if I'd want to watch a series with homosexual main characters
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Or did Steven R.'s idea get shot down at the :-)
start?
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"I can see my house from here!" - ST:
OK, while I've always said DS9 was just a rip-off of other SF series, it really just hit me the other day just HOW BAD of a rip-off it is.
So, I'm sitting there watching DS9 for the first time in probably a year, because the plots are just LAME, but I was bored and flipping channels, and it's on, so I'm thinking, OK, let's see what's up. So I'm watching, and something about the shape of the Defiant catches my eye. You know, how it's kinda rounded in front, but has that deflector thing sticking out. I've seen that somewhere else before...
Aha! The Defiant looks like the Ark from the Transformers! OK, the Star Trek people have tacked on their gawdy warp nacelles, but other than that, it's the Autobot ship that crashed on Earth like 4 million years ago. Don't believe me? Check out the last episodes of Beast Wars: Transformers. There it is, different color, engines are a bit different in back, otherwise it's the Defiant.
Admittedly, I've just told everyone I have no life. Plus, you may not agree with me. I still think I'm right. And my Slashdot karma will probably drop me into the garden slug class after this message. I don't care, I still say ST is so desparate they've been ripping off cartoons!
Complete bullshit. Decrease in birth rates due to a homosexual percentage of the general population is linear, or nearly so. True population control "devices", such as plagues, are effective because they are caused and/or sustained by the features of a large population, such as waste management problems, etc.
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... goofy looking aliens aside, it's going to feature a ship called the "USS Excellent". Is the captain of said ship going to be "Bill" or "Ted"? Maybe it's a comedy :)
Even without the consideration of the whole "soul" issue, TOO MANY THINGS GO WRONG TOO OFTEN.
Stepping into a transporter is just asking to be melded / split / parallel dimensioned / or altered in some other way.
Who in his right mind would ever use one of those?
Someone should do a compilation of all the "tech" terms used in Star Trek and how they get re-arranged in each episode. I've heard "multi-phasic" applied to Bev's and her Granma's lover (multi-phasic life form). I've heard it applied to phaser weaponry when altered. I don't recall that shield episode, so I'll count it as another instance. They don't use the same tech from episode to episode. They just recycle the verbiage. I wonder if anyone's created a "Star Trek Technology" app yet. You put in the type (weapon - energy, shield, life form) and it spits out a descriptor based off of the standard Trek tech. Examples: Multi-phasic life form. Phased tachyon beams. Active phased X desktop 2000.
We may not even need to wait for a repressive moralistic phase. When I become a parent if I find out that my child is going to be homosexual, I will correct it if the technology exists, even if its expensive or even illegal. My children deserve the best, and I am not going to force them to live a life where they will be like that.
There were rumors on Ain't It Cool News (www.aint-it-cool-news.com) about a Roddenberry inspired new series. One rumor has it that an x-DS9er put together a proposal for a new series, set in the distant future when the Federation, Romulans, Klingons and all the rest had collapsed, leaving the Galaxy in total ruin.
The idea was to have someone uncover a Federation Star Ship from that past, perhaps an Enterprise from farther down the line, with most of it's crew in suspended animation. The idea would be that the Enterprise, it's crew fresh with the memories of the former glory of the Federation, going around and trying to restore order to a galaxy with roaming bands of Klingons and Vulcans who have renounced their philosophy of logic.
Sounds like a cool idea, especially given that there isn't a person over 16 who wouldn't immediately grasp the magnitude of the loss suffered by the inhabitants of that future Enterprise.
Of course AICN suggests that while they may go ahead with this idea (using Hercules's Kevin Sorbo as the captain), they may nix putting this in the far future of the Star Trek universe.
Too bad--something about merading bands of pissed off Vulcans fighting to the death with bands of empire-less Klingons that sounds sort of fun.
Actually, I think it's pretty obvious that that character was originally supposed to be Ensign Ro - but the actress didn't want to do it. Too bad, Ro (Michelle Forbes) would have been -way- better.
I don't really watch DS9 very much (never really got into it and I also don't watch TV, really), but I did see that episode. They weren't evolving BACKWARDS, rather the propulsion device they were testing caused them to evolve FORWARD in time billions of years. The lizard/amphibian things they turned into were the future of humanity, not its past.
Though I don't know why they didn't just use that super fast drive (if I recall correctly it was Warp 10+ [which for any of you who have read the ST:TNG Technical manual, is supposed to be impossible] device) to blast a message to the Federation "Hey we're out here!". Or send their transporter image or something. That would get them home...
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Supposedly they hire people to check and remove inconsitencies and contradictions to the storylines.
But let's be honest here. The only reason rules and laws exist in the Star Trek universe is so that they may be broken.
From the laws of physics or the prime directive, they have all fallen at one time or another. Heck, remember when warp 9 (which is faster than the speed of light by the way) was as fast as you could go??? See, they even break rules they make up, with 'slipstream' technology making it possible to go alot faster.
It's ok though. I've thought that the writing on Voyager has been good, and the stories interesting. Yes, it is soapish, but I'm not asking for perfection either. I think that the key to any quality product is consistency, and I feel like that's what I have received for my viewing. Much has to do with a matter of taste.
I have always been a trekkie, before it was fashionable to be one. (I wish I didn't throw away my enterprise squirt gun!!) If they were to take the series off, I would miss it.
biology doesn't tell what's right and what's wrong, it can only tell us what's evolutionarily favorable/disfavorable. homosexuality is certainly disfavorable (if it is in fact genetic). but it certainly isn't "wrong" in any sense of the word. Science only tells us what is true, not what is 'right' those decisions can only be based on ethics. Unless you are right-wing Christian radical, there is nothing ethically wrong with homosexuality (but then, you don't believe in evolution)
It might be possible that homosexuality will be "bread" out of the gene pool in 400 years, if we continue on this path (of open acceptance). But then, why would it not have in the past 10,000 years?
To say that homosexuality is 'wrong' is a stupid (and dangerous) mis-interpretation of Darwinism.
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A new star trek! I loOOoo()O00O()()ooOo0o()ooOve star trek!
/what/? All the other comments were negative... I'm just trying to increase entropy.
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Well,
The site's been slashdotted so I can't make any opinions about the new show (but I have a feeling that didn't stop half of you who posted
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More we want more.
That was one of the funniest things I have read in awhile. I love my Star Trek and Star Wars but love the Red Dwarfesque treatment you gave it kind of like GR meets Terry Pratchett and a Hollywood spin doctor over lunch.
Thanks for the laugh!!
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The Star Trek: New Frontier novels by Peter David have set up a pretty strong set of characters; they are the crew of the USS Excalibur (a ship name also used in the B5 spin-off Crusade, right?). I started reading this series mainly because I've always liked Mr. David's work and his previous Star Trek novels have always been a great read.
No holographic doctors, no Borg, but an even mix of gender (especially the character Burgoyne), quite a few non-human characters, and a security chief (Zak Kebron) who can actually keep things under control!
Berman and co. seem to have been loathe to tap into the book-writing side of the franchise for TV ideas. This may be because many of those writers don't want to be tied down by a weekly series. I've never seen this topic addressed, though.
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I just wish the local Public Broadasting station here in Oregon would carry it. The do carry the Black Adder though.
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> OK, Are you sure it's not Star Trek EXCEL? No, I think they meant Star Trek EXTREME! Hehe Ken
Just what the world needs: another moralistic, SF TV series. The theme I've noticed throughout the posts in this topic is that ST episodes are rehashed versions of episodes from the original series, the aliens (and characters) are shallow and two-dimensional.
What is worse is that it is bad science fiction. Aliens that coinicidentaly look like humans and parallel cultures from our own world. Pseudo-scientific explanations run amok (its all quantum physics you know) as if it were some kind of New Age Scientist meeting. Maybe this was all quite sophisicated stuff during the sixties and seventies but this is the post-Alien nineties. Do we need to be patronised like this?
What is worse, I feel that the latest Star Trek series (DS9, Voyager, whatever) betray the original vision of the great liberatarian, Gene Rodenbury. The mordern federation has become a disturbing vision of a vaguely fascistic utopia. Did you know that GR intended to have gay characters in the next series of ST:TNG, just before he died. I don't see them in any of the new series? I guess it didn't fit the whole Star Trek corporate identity.
No, I think they meant Star Trek EXTREME! Hehe
Ken
But for a younger audience, I think it fits most peoples' definition of "good television" for children. It's a fairly "geek" oriented show, emphasizing knowledge of science and technology, showing both men and women in roles of responsibility. These same smart scientific folks are also fit and athletic, which is important in this day and age of couch potatos. There are also good messages in all of the shows, which, if you agree with the messages, are good for kids to see.
Admittedly, this makes it annoying for the rest of us that don't need the moral lessons, but I would love to have my children (if I had any) watch star trek with me. I'll be sad if there isn't a Star Trek to watch when I do have kids.
As for today, though, I think DS9 was the first Star Trek series that lost the morality message (Wheel of Morality, turn turn turn ;-) and became more of a science fiction soap, with a running plot line. That, I liked. I was sad to see it go.
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but "as exciting and as dangerous as Sweden"? Girls here sure excites me, but that was perhaps not what they meant. What do we have to do to get rid of this image of being so incredibly boring?
B5 does have a steeper "learning curve" than ds9, tng, or voyager, but that's due to the depth of the story. It takes a couple episodes to get into the story, but once you're hooked, you're hanging on every episode. (It didn't hurt that some of my friends were die hard B5 fans, including my girlfriend who ran the ISN website.)
I particularly liked the foreshadowing and flashbacks that are mostly lacking in the star trek series.
So, is anyone else out there watching Crusade?
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No, to keep with the current trend, the captain in the next Star Trek will have to be an ethnic minority*, bisexual, disabled single parent in order for it to be PC enough.
Star Trek and its derivatives are merely a sitcom / soap with a pseudo - scifi backdrop, and are no less myopically American than Happy Days.
From the original series, the Klingons are the Russians, geddit? And why does a galaxy-wide organisation like the Federation, with long established spacefaring species like the Vulcans (think - First Contact) locate its headquarters within 300 miles of Hollywood, and use the same designations for its vessels as the US Navy? Because the USA is the centre of the universe.
Of course Paramount don't care about inconsistencies in the ST universe, or how plausible the stuff is. There is no science, it's not sci-fi. If you want sci-fi, read a good novel. And keep Hollywood away from it - look at the travesty that they have made of epic works like Dune.
Let's hope they keep their claws off of Known Space and all the other untarnished universes out there.
* minority in the sense of the US term, i.e. non-white.
First I heard of this European Union evquivalent in the Trek universe.....and I've watched almost all the episodes.
HRM
Why waste 5 hours a day putting on makeup when you can paint dots on your face and then let a computer render your face for you. Then you can have faces that are physically impossible otherwise. Some people might complain you can't capture as much human emotion from a CG render, but some of those faces on Star* have so much latex they can hardly smile. There are some problems with occlusion and lighting, but it shouldn't be impossible to have one of the lead characters designed this way.
Rembember when Odo first came out and did the morphing bit? It caught your attention.
-- Virtual Windows Project
Has anyone else noticed that there's only one accessible page from their website? Do mutant chickens breathe underwater? Come on...
Don't Paramount have a history of leaking future plots with "names and places changed to protect the innocent"? This could well be another example of that practice.
I certainly like the idea of a little more creativity on the alien effects front. It'd also be nice not to be able to pick whether a given character is a good guy or a bad guy based purely on how "alien" they look.
Ahh - My eye!
The doctor said I'm not supposed to get Slashdot in it!
Star Trek: Good Ship Lollypop?
or
Star Trek: Yog Shothoth's Revenge
or
Star Trek: Groovy, Baby!! Yeah!
oh well
Will in Seattle
...Where at the end there's a hologram from the one species that was the only one in the universe, until they split into humans, vulcans, klingons, etc.?
I know it's just an excuse for their costume dept. to slack off, but I thought it was kind of a nice theory.
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Seeing is believing; You wouldn't have seen it if you didn't believe it.
They've lost the plot with Star Trek. Voyager, Deep Space 9, they're all pathetic!
The Quadrants of the Galaxy are called quadrants because there are only four of them, alpha, beta, gamma, and delta (the first four Greek letters). You'd never have more than four because once something is divided four ways, there are only four pieces.
They've also never left the galaxy, so we're stuck with only these four divisions. (They have gone to alternative universes, but it was always the Milky Way over there, and they probablly kept the same quadrants for simplicity's sake)
(This is waaaayyy off the original topic, but I'm going to post it here, 'cause it's relevant to the thread we're in...)
First off, there is considerable evidence that Homosexuality is GENETIC, and not a physiological condition. This is not proven yet, but it's definately a strong possibility.
Thus, you aren't going to "Cure" a homosexual, any more than I could get a "straight" person to change.
The AMA and the American Psychologists Association have wised up, and no longer consider homosexuality a "disease" or "correctible-condition". It's who gay people are. Period.
Also, there is considerable natural evidence that homosexuality occurs in a large number of mammals. Many primates have been observed engaging in homosexual behavior, and it's also been seen in animals such as wolf/wild dog packs.
Like the poster above pointed out, black skin in humans is an adaptation to an outside stimulus. So is homosexuality. The stimulus in this case is overpopulation. I liken genetic homosexuality as a mutation (remember, mutations can be either Good OR Bad, depending on environmental conditions). It seems to be getting expressed more and more these days, which leads to the question: how badly are we overpopulated that environmental effects are causing this to be expressed? Thus, homosexuality IS A FAVORABLE ADAPTATION IN THE RIGHT CONDITIONS. It may not be favorable for the individual to pass on his or her specific genes, but it's beneficial to the SPECIES.
For a good look at how human society might change over time, w/r/t population and sexuality, I suggest you read The Forever War by Joe Haldeman. It's a good Sci-Fi read, and it looks at human evolution on the macro-level (over the course of about 3000 years).
People, you are going to have to accept that homosexuals are here, have always been here, and will continue to be here. I'm rather disgusted to listen to fellow straight folks claim that homosexuals are somehow bad deviants or lesser beings. It makes me sick. Grow Up!
To see how inane you sound, replace the word "homosexual" (or "gay" or "lesbian") with the word "nigger". Oooh. Ooops. You ended up sounding like a nice 1840s intellectual espousing the rightness (and superiority) of whites over the black man. How enlightened.
-Erik
We fear what we do not understand...
There are always four sides to every story: your side, their side, the truth, and what really happened.
Read a book:
Federation.
It delves into these areas, and is what the movie "Generations" should have been. (Ok, there are a few cheesy chapters in there, but hey!)
Worth the read, and better than any episode/visual stimulation could be.
You're wrong. In the episode (titled "Genesis") the crew "de-evloved" into *one* previous species. For example, Riker and Picard are both human, but according to Data Picard would "de-evlove" into something else than Riker did. Nothing in "Genesis" really contradicts what was said in "The Chase", although one might argue that a lot of things in general condradict what was said in "The Chase"...
/ Peter Schuller
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No offense, but I really hate it when people
say they hate a series, and then it turns out
they've only seen 5 episodes.
DUH!
FYI, Voyager's very different nowadays. I've
seen season 1, 2, 4, 5 and some random episodes in
season 3. 4 & 5 are completely different than the first, and the second seson definitely shows
the beginnings of that change.
/ Peter Schuller
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http://www.scode.org
I just cant see a long time plot for this, nor can I see the captain saying "Im Captain Blah, of the USS Excellent" I think they have more sense than this, (or maybe the head of Paramount does) Although, some episodes of Voyager would make you think differently.
http://www.cs.duke.edu/~dsb/vindaloo.txt
Killing spammers is too good for them.
This was relevant to the discussion.
WTF?
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
I like the idea of the living ship and the Pilot is merged with the ship. I know Star Trek had a living ship, the Tin Man, but this far better. I think Farscape is my new favorite.
Clearly Paramount has been taking sequel-naming lessons from the makers of the animé series Slayers ...
...)
(whose sequels have names like "Slayers NEXT", "Slayers GREAT", "Slayers GORGEOUS"
Humans, and everyone else, weren't accually the direct descendants of the original guys. Our original genetic material was just affected by theirs.
Of course the devolution episode was kinda weird anyway...
Yet another example, as some other poster pointed out earlier, of a vital discovery/invention being
made in one episode, only never to be mentioned ever again!
Star Trek is not SciFi, it's a soap opera set in space, and not a very good one either. It has none
of the juicy scandalous bits which make soap operas good, and rarely does it leave you wanting
to see it again at the end of an episode.
Cheers,
Ale.
I would be all for a new series, if they can come up with something original.
DS9 was original in the Trek lineage, but not really to my taste.
Voyager was a bad concept from the beginning, IMHO. The usual complaints of bad scripts, bad acting applies for me as well.
A new series would be welcome be me, anyway, if they:
a) Came up with an original idea/concept again.
b) Got some fresh blood in the writing pool. One reader's suggestion to include novelists like Peter David is a good one. I've always liked his Trek writing.
On a side note, at Planet Riker there are some additional rumours/facts about what the new series might be.
There are a number of things that disturb me about Star Trek, but most of all, I dislike the way the ships are run. If Commander Data can be created, why can't a starship be similarly intelligent and run itself?
I envision multiple-kilometer-long starships, some even maybe hundreds of klicks long, with millions of people on board; sort of like travelling cities. The entire inside of the ship would be something like a holodeck; it could be restructured at will in its entirety. There would only be backup crew on board. Everyone else would be a combination passenger/symbiont/pet.
Maybe the Federation doesn't have this tech yet. Why not skip the next series forward a few hundred years, to give us some new toys to play with, like Roddenberry did with ST:TNG over ST:TOS?
I've shamelessly stolen some of the ideas here from Iain M. Banks' Culture. He's got some of the best ship names ever. A few examples:
Finally: USS means United States Ship. How about FIV (Federation Interstellar Vehicle) instead?
Star Trek is becomming /very/ triesome. Like the kickass final episode of TNG said "All Good Things Must Come To An End" before they degenerate into mindless technobabble based plots. I don't mean to be flamebaited, but Star Trek has had it's chance, and it's been on the respirator long enough, time to pull the plug. Earth: Final Conflict is a very good example of what can be done if you have a story to tell and you don't try to incorporate it into an existing franchise. I commend Majel for departing from Star Trek, and I condemm JMS for adding on to a great story that was already finished, resulting in not-up-to-par quality. When the story is over, it's over. There is nothing more to tell. What we really need in science fiction, is another fun adventure serial that everyone can enjoy without the messy technical details. Something which Star Wars is trying to be (but sadly falling short). Somewhat comical, and a bit absurd, but all in all a general scifi romp (think Doctor Who). Ever since the 1980s the genre has been focused on dark stories that never quite capture the fun, magic, and mystery that is a large part of science fiction. ----------------------------- "The End?" "The Smeg It Is!"
Well, this isn't exactly related, except that it is a star trek observation.
A few people have mentioned the episode where it was reveiled that all the humanoid races were descended from the one race that colonized many planets before they died off.
Well, I seem to recall another episode where due to some sort of genetic disease (i believe that was the cause), everyone started de-evolving into whatever their race origionally came from. Humans started turning more apelike, and Worf started turning into some sort of large spider like creature.
Dosen't exactly sound much like races that evolved from the same genetic material to me. I know I'm just getting picky, but it would be nice if shows like this checked their old episodes for inconsistencies before coming out with new ones that just blow everything away.
OK, Are you sure it's not Star Trek EXCEL?
It could be sponsored by Microsoft and require you to turn your TV off then on again during each ad break...
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Just my US$0.02... I haven't read the plot for this 'excellent' series yet, since the server's /.ed.
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"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Quine "quine?
How about a spinoff of Space Precinct 2000! That show had too short a run... people just didn't get it. What an idea, bug-eyed aliens wearing NYPD costumes. Of course, there were a couple humans wearing 90's clothes thrown in just for good measure. Simple yet DrAmAtIc. I think it's major shortcoming was it's 3:30am timeslot. Of course, a "Homeboys in Outer Space" spinoff could do as well. With better marketing and a token appearance by Ice Cube or Kool Keith, that show could reach new heights.
I just wish they would end the Star Trek franchise.
Don't get me wrong, I have been a big fan for many, many years. I grew up with Spock's pointy eared logic and Kirk's unfettered libido. I watched STNG religiously all through high school and college. When STNG was in production and syndication, a lounge in my dorm transformed into 10-Forward *every day* at 6:00.
When STNG ended, I was sad, but it was a great end to a *great* show. Think about how STNG started and how it ended. Things were starting to get stale and formulaic, but STNG still had the bang. As I say, I was sad to see the end, but relieved too. I was happy to see STNG end on a high note. And Babylon-5 was just around the corner. It was nice to see well done sci-fi that was not Star Trek.
But then they came out with DS9. Hmm, I thought. Seems similar to B-5. Or maybe the other way around. I don't know for sure, but I gave it a chance, and it did not hold me. I am not saying it was a bad show, because I know it was a good show. Many episodes blew me away. But the magic, as they say, was gone. B-5 held my interest. It may have been campy, but it was new and fresh and cool as hell. DS9 was cool as hell, but not new and fresh.
Then they came out with STV. I gave that a chance too. And I have to say that I passionately dislike that show. Half the plots and conflicts and issues have been recycled from 3 decades worth of Star Trek. The rest are predictable and half baked. The writing is pedestrian. The direction and acting has improved with time, but a good director/actor can only do so much with a crufty script. I stopped watching. I was bored and offended by the decline of the quality of the Star Trek standard. If I ever watched, it was because I decided to give the show one more chance, much in the same way we might give a relationship with a codependent soul-sucking ex another chance. I was nearly always disappointed, except when Seven of Nine trotted her sweet-sweet can-can across the set. Ay Carumba! Indeed, Star Trek had to resort to pure sex appeal to keep the ratings up. That was disappointing. Mmmmmmmm, Seven of Nine.
*ahem*
So now we have Star Trek: Excellent? Can't they give it a break? Out of simple curiosity I would watch it; but I have to say, I am just tired of Star Trek. Why? Because Star Trek is getting tired.
Is not Science Fiction and/or SciFi and/or Star Trek itself supposed to be about exploring the unknown? When was the last time Star Trek really went "where no one has gone before"? It is my firm belief that Star Trek is not going anywhere any more. It is getting stale and predictable and cliche. In short, Star Trek is becoming not much different than the hoard of other mediocre SciFi shows we have been bombarded with over the past decade. I say to Star Trek: move over; your time is past. I want something new and fresh. I want to explore *other* universes.
I wish I could hear Harlan Ellison's take on this.
Nothing can possiblai go wrong. Er...possibly go wrong.
Strange, that's the first thing that's ever gone wrong.
Tyler's words coming out of my mouth.
H-O-T HOT!
sorry
...That guy was given way too much influence with Voyager, and all the worst episodes are (surprise) written by him.
The original storyline for First Contact was by Braga, and involved Picard and Cochrane involved in a romance, because this moron didn't know Cochrane was a *MAN*.
If this nitwit has anything to do with the next show, I won't even bother tuning in.
Harry
Or maybe "Quark" ?
See http://www.primenet.com/~luethy/
Sounds like an old series called Quark. Anyone remember that one?
"oooooooooohhhhhhhhhh,
Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?
Spongebob Squarepants!!"
My son walks around singing the stupid themesong, and he hasn't even seen an episode of the show!
I can't believe cartoons like CatDog, Cow and Chicken, and SpongeBob exist. They are all stupid, gross ripoffs if the first season of Ren and Stimpy (w/ John K at the helm). Hell, even the rest of Ren and Stimpy is a stupid ripoff off the first season!
If only "common" sense was actually that common...
What *I'd* love to see is a series in the Star Trek universe, but *NOT* on one of those damn annoying goody-two-shoes Starfleet ships.
:)
Maybe something like a run-down merchant/smuggler vessel working on the fringes of the Federation territory, with a really small crew, perhaps with a Klingon female commander (just think of the possibilities!) and a drunk engineer!
You could have the crew be severely dysfunctional, the ship falling apart half the time & a lot of shows would be about 1) survival, 2) getting themselves out of whatever scrape they got themselves into (which might be the same as #1
It's funny how many lists to which I end up posting about this topic, because in the giant scheme of things, it's Soooooooo not important. But I grew up with Trek; it strangely feels like family. I think it's time to let it go, though. Don't keep making series just for the sake of making series. That's just sad.
Think like a person of action, act like a person of thought. --H. Bergson
I saw an ad on nick for 'spongeboy squarepants' or something like that...I thought they were kidding...they weren't. I unplugged the television.
I loved some of the movies. the original series, and TNG. Frankly, DS9 was a soap opera, and Voyager....was just barf-bait. I watch TV to be entertained, and I found that Voyager was just one implausable adventure after another, with equally implausable resolution of the problems. So, within the first 4-5 shows, I quit watching. Boring boring, that's all I thought. I disagree with others, I found that the time travel plots (which intelocked were pretty good. And get someone like Patrick Stewart for a Captain; he was great. Janeway, she was just a polically correct window dressing.
As a general rule TNG was pretty good. Even the original series had some weak plots. But, if the new series is based on DS9 or Voyager, well hopefully the movies will be better. Hmmm Movies, what happened to having Alan Dean Foster write plot for a movie; everything after The Wrath of Kahn was pretty weak as well.
Excellent Dude!
You see, as long as the show is directed toward children, the show and its plots will never mature past anything other than good guys and bad guys pointing their ray guns at each other spouting clever exit lines.
There are toys and comic books, and halloween costumes and techno-babble to patch-fix bad plot development by far too many writers working on one project.
I'll give you a recent example. Here in Tallahassee, FL a local ABC affilliate (sp?) has carried the DS9 series for quite some time. In the last season of DS9, the schedule changed at least three times, one of those airing times was at 11:30PM on Friday nights, and was regularly pre-empted without notice...gotta sell that Ronco stuff!
Now, this is really sad because DS9 became the best of the three spin-offs. Sure it took a couple of years to find its legs, but it finally did, and the plots became more than time travel, alternate universes (although they handeled those with much more skill than Voyager) or alien mind control. If you were ever going to see gay Star Trek characters, you would have seen them on DS9. It was a station that had to cater to the universe, a diverse universe, that is. Plenty of potential to slip two men or women simply holding hands while walking on the promenade in the background of a random scene. They could have done it. Hell, Jadzia slammed a lip-lock on another woman in an episode. It created so much controversy and titillation that they never went back to it again, except perhaps in hints and inuendo (she and Worf on that resort planet, and he getting jealous of the woman who knew her as a man in a past life, remember?).
But, it's marketted to kids with toys and comics and childrens clothes for merchandising revenue...
If it could be carried on a major network, like Sci-Fi, NBC, ABC, CBS (dear God, no!) with a commited schedule and a prime time slot for adults with no toys in Wal-Mart, then maybe, just maybe you'd see a scene like the two men in bed chatting together like in that Nothern Exposure show...
Ugh...Cow and Chicken?!?! Please...Powerpuff Girls *OWN* :->
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I remember seeing ST:TNG with a roomful of college classmates... we were all slack-jawed over how awful it was. To each his own, I guess.
Anyway, there are no new ideas in Hollywood, so why not just embrace that fact.
Star Trek: Raisa -- set your sails for adventure, your mind on a new romance. Each week Isaac, your Klingon bartender, helps a new cast of characters seek whatyamacallit.
Star Trek: Badlands -- okay, so they killed off Sloane. But Sloane's clone and his sidekick Artemus Changeling kick alien tail throughout the wild, wild badlands in the name of the Federation.
Star Trek: Holodeck Island -- the name says it all.
Star Trek Blues -- Due to a major reorganization, security uniforms are now blue. Join the phaser-bait in their squad room, where they wait for the call from the bridge that could mean LIFE OR DEATH! Let's be careful out there...
Star Trek: Ferengi Exposure -- Julian Bashir is just marking time as a frontier doctor on the Ferengi homeworld. He's a fish out of water, but is finally charmed by the locals.
Star Trek Bloopers -- never underestimate the stupidity of the viewership. People can't get enough of the same old clips.
Star Trek: Cadet Squad -- not all Star Fleet cadets can be in Red Squad. Follow the antics of cadets who just squeaked by on the entrance exam.
Star Trek: Riker's Heroes -- what do you get when you mix an inept Vorta jailkeeper, a lovable Jem'Hadar guard, and a raft of Federation inmates? Espionage and sabotage behind the lines in the Gamma quadrant!
gives plenty of room for an Epsilon quadrant
I have lots of inside sources at Paramount (as evidenced through my good streak of reliable spoilers and such on my site, TrekWeb.COM) and although I haven't been able to read the SF Crowsnest article due to "slashdotting" (the enormous server overload due to being featured on slashdot), I know that Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are in the very early development stages of a new series and the chances that anyone outside of them knows anything about it other than Kerry McCluggage (the prez of Paramount tv) is highly unlikely. Expect some reliable information to be out in a couple months, since it is slated to premiere next fall (and thus casting must begin in Jan and shooting by May). Hopefully some of you will check out my site, TrekWeb.COM. I know that a lot of people that come to slashdot are Trek fans (as evidenced by the enormous amount of comments to this story) and I hope many of you try out TrekWeb.COM and maybe become regular visitors to the site for the best Star Trek news available. Thanks.
-Steve Krutzler TrekWeb.com -- THE source for everything TREK
Then nobody would care how crappy the dialogue is cause it's all about "the music" anyway. I mean, Neelix is not more stupid than Puccini. No, I won't defend that statement. A Gilbert & Sullivan flavor would not be much of a stretch, either: A tachion field! A tachion field! A tachion field is a great big shield we hide be hind the dominionfrom! Rerouting things in the big machines lights all the lights on the cyclotron! Then we spurt our jets on the alien pest and modulate the crap out of everyone! It's a crazy idea! It's a pretty long shot! It's never been done but we'll give it all we got. You know you want this, but you don't know why.
Gimme the USS Kenny! :)
Rumors are a lot more fun than spoilers.
I always thought it would be interesting to see a series based on Sulu's command of the Excelsior after the events of ST6.
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so that the names didn't sound stupid here. like 'daikatana' (big sword) would sound stuipd in japan.
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
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Homosexuality is a tool of nature to counter overpopulation and extensive population growth. Very natural.
So what if Cochrane was a man? Maybe he meant to do that?
I guess us queer folks don't exist in the 23rd century (or whenever it's supposed to take place).
Seriously... take a nice LONG break and let the field of ideas lie fallow to replenish and regenerate.
There doesn't NEED to be a Star Trek series going on constantly. It CAN take a break.
- Bono Vox, bono@vox.org
> a HUGE majority of Americans are normal [heteros] Actually, a huge number of gay men are 'normal homosexuals'. It is just a shame that the strange ones (flamers, cross-dressers, leather men) get all the media attention. But then again, when are you going to see a story on, "This guy's gay... and he's pretty hetero acting!" Damn stealth gays. On-topic ty-in: Do you think Gerabladi was gay? Or how about the binars?
Perhaps a cross between Red Dwarf and Seinfeld, where absolutely nothing really happens. With the billions of miles of space out there, there would have to be alot of boring time spent. Ever drive across the continent?