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Netscape 1994 Time Capsule
jenkin sear writes "Netscape Time capsule site- original splash screens, and much of the original netscape site, including the release notes for version 0.9. Definitely a trip down memory lane....
I saw this link on scripting news" Warm fuzzies. Sure was simpler then. An interesting similiar and unrelated article also popped out recently, a
history of microsoft.com.
http://slashdot.org/code.shtml
Yeah, too bad you posted eighth...
Recall even more vaguely and you'll remember that Linus based his first Linux kernel on Windows NT 3.1. Or something really vague (and wrong) like that.
Any more false rumors to spread?
It should discuss how a 5 billion dollar company disappears in a technological puff of smoke.
RIP "Nut-scrape". iCab for Mac demonstrates about 100 different amazing and competently engineered things that the Navigator "product" lacked.
I knew Netscape would never make a dime. I correctly predicted Mozilla source would lack SSL and lack JAVA when shipped. I correctly guessed, that the source code Netscape eventually shipped would not compile to run on many macintoshes... EVER. I was right about that too. It required countless thousands of resources, lacked 68040 support, and was a complete shame. The valuable and precious Navigator 3.01 to 4.0 saource was never given out like the deceitful press releases said they would.
And worse, Netscape has always maintained that the sham Mark A. helped code most of Mosaic or even major parts of Navigator. What a fantasy. There are many documentary Anti-Mark sites that laboriously demonstrate this.
Netscape has been a blight on society and i am glad they died a miserable well deserved death. The thing that makes me laught the most is how Netscape appologists always whine about how MICRO$OFT put them out of business by giving away browsers for free. HA! Netscape always did that with every release.
Then the Netscape whiners bellyache about Microsoft IE quality or capabilities, etc etc. Look buddies, Microsoft purchased their browser source code from two macintosh development companies. Just as Netscape had strong mac origins, so did IE with Spyglass code and some other newsreader code from another mac developer. Microsoft is a publisher. Publishers publish. There is nothing wrong with some balanced and strong competition.
Plugin politics are a nighmare with Netscape.
Ever try to write a decent plugin with their obnoxious API? Ever try to get auto-upload support? Oh well.
Netscape stock was at one time worth far more than Boeing stock. Today Yahoo stock is worth more than GM stock and Ford stock COMBINED. (Yes Combined). But that stock valuation did nto change the fact that the browser broke many http standards, has pathetic disk caching characteristics, pathetic mail, awkward obnoxious button bars, no way to turn off graphics anymore, lack of cookie control, etc.
I always wanted Netscape to die. I giggled my ass off when AOL spent 100 million or so on a MP3 shareware player (to add encrypted music in it in 2000) and spent 10 billion or so for Netscape to shut it down. Why? I like it when companies waste their money.
Hurray for iCab. Written by just a couple guys and does everything a STANDARDS based http browser should do. I wish it was multiplatform, or OPERA was multiplatform, but i will settle for iCab regardless. Both should be coming out in 2000 with mjor new releases for all the IE haters out their.
Done gloating for now.
Maybe it's not Malda but Andover that's causing the code availability problems. Just raising an eyebrow and saying 'hmm?' ;)
It was Slashdot'ed out of existance. All I get now is a polite request to go click somewhere else.
No their 1st sites were SCO based. Anyone have some dates on the SCO boxes they used instead of WNT???
lol.... great fun :)
Wow, you're a freakin' genius... now go pat yourself on the back some more...
IIRC, Linus is quoted as saying that he had never used or seen Windows when he started development on Freax, so it is unlikely that he would have based his OS on one he had never used :)
MS just did a story about the history of their main site, it never ran anything other than NT.
Please stop with the FUD already.
Even though IE had yet to be released?
All the major computer makes have the OEM release of Win2k.
I am sitting here at Stream right now. They still have staffing problems, but most of it is hiring people with NO computer experience, giving them a week of training, and then throwing them on the phones.
Yup, I remember that too. BTW, that's still their logo.
If I remember correctly, IE 4 and 5 downloads were and are both hosted on ConXion -- though they are of course served from NT machines.
That said, they handled the ie4 download fine. Of course, back then 500mbps public and private peering with other backbones was considered pretty good..
Yes, I knew it was a joke.
You could even telnet to the domain and the issue file would tell you about it ...
Then some savvy MS engineer learned how to turn it off. ;-)
This history of microsoft.com page was probably written when the Dec. release date was still firm, thus they expected that it had already been released. Plus, their internal servers migrated to Win2K quite a while ago.
yes I have tried M12 yesterday (or was it)
I like it it is really getting there
too bad http and html weren't invented by CERN until 1989huh? next time check your facts.
I'm stunned Microsoft, et. al., aren't trying to add their own proprietary extensions to the English language and wrestly the whole thing under their proprietary control. At least Mosaid waits for the dust to settle before adopting new features. Is mosaic still developping its browser?
Maybe it's time for OTML The Open Text Markup Language? The W3C seems to have lost control of web specs long ago.
But the QPL is a free software license as verified by the OSD, DFSG, and FSF I think that's about as free as its get.
Oh yes I remember the Iraq article with comments disabled it was a classic.
I'm surprised that your query worked. The one I tried was different, I went to the search page selected AUTHOR senegan, left the text field empty, searched and received only one hit.
-Midnight Coder
HEY DUMBASS! THE LOGO WAS FROM 81, THE LOGO
They spend time erecting a time capsule and the release of 5.0 lingers somewhere... anyone but me expect it to be vaporware and Netscape leave the browser business to Microsoft? I suggest you look at a pattern: Every company that complains of anti-trust against another company is usually just lazy. Netscape used to be a great company. AOL bought them and brought in the corporate atmosphere of not a programming company but a content provider, where every person was a designer or PR person. The environment stifled the best and the brightest and they all left. That should be a signal to you that you gotta keep the smart ones happy or you'll end up with brain-drain on an organization.
that MS site is shown using IE as the browser. IE didnt exist in 1993. Microsoft revisionist ("We innovate!") history once again.
That's not a time capsule jeez...6 whole years, back in the good 'ole days...this is a sad a pathetic comment on the lack of attention span in most people today...when 6 years constitutes a LONG time.....
Please note that, due to the extreme age of these pages, many links may have become dead.
Last time I checked, even in Internet Years, 1994 did not constitute "extreme age". The Dead Sea Scrolls, the Ming Dynasty and the Universe are extremely old. If 1994 is extremely old, then I'm a frickin' fossil. =P
The second most popular paltform after Windows to surf the web is Macintosh, and as of last month I am quite certain OPera is not released for the Mac yet. So before you call someone "numbnutz" dirtmerchant@rmci.net , you should check your facts a little. When Opera is on Macintosh or any other non Windows paltform that is at least as large a user base at the mac, then and only then will i consider it multiplatform. By the way accurate statistic generated from 8 million clicks per day from 8 thousand popular websites running browser monitoring software showed that in some recent months, LINUX web surfing amounts to an embarrassing 0.24% marketshare. 0.24%! If that nmber was greater than the mac marketshare, and if the stores and economics backed it up otherwise, then Opera could be considerred multiplatform enough to me. I understand Opera WILL have mac support one day soon, but it does not yet, "numbnutz"
Rich -- Play xracer!
Look at this page in the MS timeline:
.com/misc/features/features_flshbk_hp2.htm
http://www.microsoft
It describes their "Collage" design from August of 1995. Take a look at one of the most prominent links on the graphic. Yes, your eyes don't deceive you; it does say "Microsoft Reacts to the DOJ". Like I said, some things never change.
iCab is cool
Hey, yahoo.com doesn't display properly anymore! ;)
"Hot lesbian witches! It's fucking genius!"
Netscape has copies dating back to their first release available on their ftp site. I can't give you a direct link right now, as all three of netscape's ftp servers seem to be down... how cute.
This was way too funny to pass up. In their 'snapshot' of what the web site looked like in 1995, they have a rather prominent button on their main page that says "MICROSOFT RESPONDS TO DOJ."
.com/misc/features/features_flshbk_hp2.htm
Check it out:
http://www.microsoft
And you've got to love "A vendor who had only a passing knowledge of microsoft.com coding policies delivered the first Windows CE site. The first test on the site with Weblint, a tool used to check validity of HTML, returned 100 pages of errors."
:-)
I suppose Microsoft coding policies specify a maximum of 50 pages of errors
* And remember, it's spelled N-e-t-s-c-a-p-e, but it's pronounced "Mozilla."
For those of you that keep posting "The code is available already" Why don't you download the code that Malda puts out and see for yourselves whether that code is for real. That code is version 0.3 which is way outdated. For some reason slashdot won't cvs their code. Probably because Malda prefers security through obscurity over peer review.
:)
Anyways, both code bases are based on flawed licenses. (Assuming the writers wanted the code to be free)
Cheers.
Joseph Elwell.
www.microsofttimecapsule.com
ROTFL!!! I don't believe I actually fell for it! It should have been moderated UP not down. I hope this one shows up for meta moderation!
Some "time capsule"
I distinctly remember the original Microsoft website used a single image logo from the early 1980's (Circa 1981, IIRC). It was far cheesier than the "original" they posted in the story.
I know of people getting less training than that at Stream. Kind of sad because that model of support could work very well.
The big question is: Do they still support Netscape or did that change in the AOL takeover?
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
When Mosaic Communications Corp (AKA Netscape) first went public, they outsourced their support to a company called Corporate Software (now known as "Stream" (as in "What end of the Stream are you one?").
There were six of us back then, supporting the PC, Mac and about 9 flavors of Unix. I lasted the longest, until the 2.0 betas. (In fact, I still have my Mosaic Communications t-shirt (with the angry Mozilla) and a brochure from the first few months.)
There were some good times and alot of bad. Since we were in Oregon and they were in California, they were willing to ignore us at times. It took a bit to get them to deal with the bugs we and our customers uncovered. (Leading to some very strange calls.)
And then there were the staffing issues. Because many of the original team left for other jobs, we were whittled down to TWO people at one point. (Doing 70 calls a day for a while.) When 1.2 was released to Egghead stores, we had FOUR people on the phones. (And the typos and bugs were bad enough that we got lots and lots of calls.) The staffing problems were not all Netscape's fault though. Corporate Software did not staff for the load that they expected out of a weird power play trying to keep Netscape current on their bills. (Which they were holding back on because Corporate Software was playing these games.)
There are a whole lot more stories I could tell. It was an interesting time in my life. Not certain if I would want to do it again...
And, yes, as far as I know, Stream is still doing support for Netscape. (At least since I talked to any Stream employees, but it has been a while.)
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
To my surprise, I found that the beta version information pages are still availble on home.mcom.com.
Much more fun than playing EA hockey, IMHO.
And then it appeared on Slashdot. Wierd...
ENDUT! HOCH HECH!
Unless the Slashdot Kommisarriat has managed to erase all my memories of someone going by a subtly differently spelled name:
http://slashdot.org/search.pl?query=sengan yields plenty of his stories. You just had an extra 'e' in there.
Sengan kicked off one of the bloodiest wars of the time on Slashdot with his classic US and UK unilaterally attack Iraq. It garnered 748 comments and earned Sengan a special fan club of his very own.
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http://scribers.midwest.net/dsmith42 /ns094.zip is where it is now -- mirrors are welcome. :)
No, the problem is that Netscape up to 1.0 used to crash on nested tables.
Nobody likes a smart ass! :P
No, AFAIR www.microsoft.com always was NT. Their internal mail servers, though, were UNIX (SCO Xenix?) for a LONG while.
Does the search engine in "older stuff" really stop after a few months? I haven't tested it in any depth, but it would suprise me if it didn't go back all the way; and a quick search just now took me back to May this year. I know that one can get back to the beginning of this year at least, if one knows the URL: e.g. here's one I saved. Another quick test: searching for "UnixWorld" gives two stories, that one and one from April 98. Wouldn't it be nice if a member of slashdot staff were to pop up now and tell us whether or not the archives do in fact extend back to the beginning?
Dragging myself manfully back on-topic, I loved the phrase in the announcement of Netscape 0.9 about it being "optimised for 14.4 modems". Those were the days.
There's an effort getting started to bring the current Slash code up to snuff. The homepage is here.
The 0.3 code that code.shtml links to has many known bugs. A lot of those have been fixed in 0.3-3.7, available here. There is a mailing list, slash-help, for help with Slash problems.
there is. look at that code link on the left side.
-- adraken
The search engine is screwed. Go to the search page and select the author senegan to see that. (He was at one time a prolific author but none of his old articles appear).
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Much old stuff is still accessible
eg "Linus on KDE vs. GNOME flame wars" at
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/980711108243
which is from mid '98.
At one point in time slash dot articles didn't have the date embedded in them at all, the articles were just numbered according to an incremented counter. For fun I went back as far as I could articles 000000000003 and 000000000005 were quite a laugh, with Rob fooling around saying stuff that he never expected people to see. I can't find those really old articles anymore.
Here is the oldest article from March 23 1999 (pre Chips and Dip stuff):
I meant March 23 1997 of course.
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http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00000001.sht
And it was actually articles
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00000005.sht
and
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00000004.sht
that were funny.
First non Malda comment:
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00000017.sht
First post by Hemos, Chips and Dips lives!:
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00000018.sht
Mandrake says Xfree 4.0 out soon (this in Oct-1997!)
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00000028.sht
Who new KDE and Gnome were so old (Oct-97 again)
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00000048.sht
First flame war, things were pretty civilized then
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00000054.sht
First fan?
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00000072.sht
Not just XFree can fall behind schedule, NT5 Ship Date Delayed, probably won't ship until 1999.
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00000114.sht
Wow it's a good thing these things tags aren't allowed in comments anymore
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00000137.sht
Slashdot has been renamed to Slashdot, "5000 hits per day, and that isn't slowing down yet" it's unstoppable:
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00000150.sht
Last of the old posts, then the format changes to yy/mm/dd/millsec and becomes untrackable
http://slashdot.org/articles/older/00001079.sht
.. with the 0.9 version . its actully quite a nippy little program :) :)
although nothing looks right
Not Really. BU is Boston University, a unrelated school in Boston, across the river from MIT. Although it is somewhat near the school with the dead server, we at BU have absolutly nothing to do with there server, or anything else for that matter. Yet.
I seem to remember that at some point MS was using Xenix as its internet presence, but this article basically says that it began with NT (which I am sure in the greater sense they would have you believe). Am I totally off my rocker here or is that the way it really was?
ZOMG I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS ON MACINTOSH VERSUS WINDOWS, VI VERSUS EMACS, AND HOW YOU'RE NOT A DORK
Man those were heady days. I had been running linux at home for a few months, and had seen Mosaic at school in the lab a few months before. When I got Linux, X (of course) and Netscape finally running on my home machine, I swore I'dnever use Windows (or DOS, back then!) as my front end ever again!
:)
Truly those were the founding days that solidified the potential in my and many of my fellow students' minds of OSS software, and of Linux in particular as a competitor to Window.
Since netscape is really the only true big browser available for Linux, it history is very closely tied to Linux's. Netscape helped linux along back then and we should pay hommage to them!
I hope everyone's tried the new Mozilla milestones!
Math
I remember sitting down looking at that thing and thinking, "Can't they do better than that? The thing's horrid, take it away."
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I am not sure if these have already been mentioned, but those of you are having trouble with the site can find mirrors here:
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/mozilla/
http://www.dotnetat.net/mozilla/
Actually, I think this Idea has some merit. A time capsule of different format, popular stories, the meta-moderation debate, etc. I think it would be good to show the progression of not only the community that is Slashdot, but a progression of just what you can do with Perl Scripting, bailing wire and duct tape.
You say you want a revolution....
Cool idea.
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I for one would love to see the original "chips and dips" which preceded
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Yes, his whole argument was silly. He had "facts", but those facts didn't have anything to do with his conclusion. It's like me saying that the sun will go down Dec 31, it'll be dark, and people will drive with their headlights on. Because of that, there will be no Y2K problems. All of those were facts, and all will be true, but they have nothing to do with Y2K.
So, if anything, this should be marked up as "Funny", but having a few facts in a post that has nothing to do with the facts presented, is *not* "Informative".
-BrentYeah, they're *still* rebooting. You just can't tell it anymore because they've added enough servers so they aren't all rebooting at the same time :)
-Brent"The predecessor to MSNBC, known then as MSN News, was first published prematurely when a member of the production team, sitting up on a desk to study a schematic, clicked a mouse button with his derriere. The team watched in horror as the content went live to a public server before it was ready."
"Mark Ingalls recalls how he mistakenly deleted the live default.htm file that served as the microsoft.com home page, in the days before staging servers. While home page visitors were receiving File Not Found errors, Ingalls rooted around in his browser cache - where the cache filenames did NOT map to their real names - to find and restore the page to active duty."
The above AC is an anti-Netscape dissenter with a well-articulated view and a high signal-noise ratio. Facts even.
I like what Netscape tried to do but this guy should be moderated up.
Netscape decided to trust the free software movement and open source their browser. When will Slashdot show the same faith and release its own code?
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
i'm really kind of fascinated by this kind of thing..there's just something really cool about seeing something now commonplace in its early stages. Which is why i have a copy of the linux 0.01 source on my hard drive..just to look through, even though i don't understand 99% of it and i sure as heck can't compile it on my mac.
one thing i'd REALLY like to know about is the changing layout of suck.com. they seem purposefully quiet about this, and the only reference they have to the fact their logo originally looked totally different is hidden deep in the contributor profiles.. even teh back issues hae the new header image plastered on. yes, i realize the layout was never more than marginally tooled; i'm still really curious for some unknown reason.
oh, and real quick, cuz i haven't seen any other posters mention this: that "netscape time capsule" site is BEAUTIFUL from a layout standpoint. Whoever is responsible for the web design there is amazing.
but good LORD.. look at that clean, usable, uncluttered NSCA mosaic layout. i had no IDEA. i am amazed by what a gigantic step backward netscapes 0.97-4.7 are.. i mean a "stop" button is nice but not worth 12 other buttons that are never used.. esp. if the one ("security") next to "stop", the one you constantly hit by accident, opens up a slow-to-open dialog with a nonfunctional close box an.. sorry, i'm ranting again
-mcc-baka
listen to your heartbeat delete beep beep BEEP.
Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
At least, I am unable to reach that site. The MSFT site is reachable, however. And quite fun. The picture of the server rack looked just like any other server rack, except there was a MS BackOffice logo in the middle...
--The knowledge that you are an idiot, is what distinguishes you from one.
Is it just me or does this seem like an obituary, rather than a time capsule.
I remember the days when I was using version 1 under windows 3.1 with trumpet winsock....
I still use it every day under linux, in fact I still swear by it. After all, it is realistically the only viable browser under linux.
I have been playing with mozilla, and I like it, but it is still a bit too grungy for everyday use.
The secret of success is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake those, you've got it made. (Marx)
I get -1 sorry off topic and you get a 2. I agree with your sig. So moderate me down.
Anyway, maybe every first post should be the DeCSS source code.....ooops off topic again..... now what were we talking about? Oh yea netscape, the story of how someone took someone elses code, made some money, and sold out to AOL of all things. My god....AOL....the "you've got mail" idiots. Now what was the AOL keyword for slashdot....oh yea..."first post".
Error 403: Access Forbidden
The URL you requested:
http://www.eng.buffalo.edu/~clau/mozilla
is restricted, and cannot be accessed. Please do not repeat the request.
The Slashdot effect is truly a sight to behold. I hope the Slashdot effect is always used "for niceness instead of evil" (as Maxwell Smart would have put it). There's not much difference between it and a distributed denial-of-service attack - and let's hope the lawyers of affected sites don't notice the similarity.
For some reason, "please do not repeat the request" reminds me a lot of the "French person" in Monty Python and the Holy Grail where he says "now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time."
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke
I chatted with the creator of the Netscape Time Capsule, Chuck Lau, and setup a mirror for him on my employer's servers:
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/mozilla
PHP4 is only under the PHP License, which is essentially the apache license. GPL was dropped to make it easier to use/distribute PHP for commercial purposes. Some people just like to spread FUD. PHP4 is "free". The confusion comes from the fact that the Zend engine, which is integrates into PHP4, is licensed under the QPL. However, this only applies to Zend as a standalone product, withing PHP4 all you have is the PHP License and no worries.
Not even 5 minutes after the article is posted, the website is unreachable. You guys should do consulting for testing out how much webservers can handle a massive spike in server usage ;)
any mirrors?
http://www.jonmasters.org/
From the article:
Six years may not sound like a lot of time, but in "Internet time" that's almost half a lifetime. Internet time is sometimes likened to dog years - the first year is like 14, and every subsequent year is roughly equivalent to seven virtual years. By that reckoning, microsoft.com is pushing 50.
Apparently we can all look forward to microsoft.com being a corpse in about 5-6 years..
i'm telling you, if they publicly snafus me again, i'm gonna give billyg a pop in the nose!
*remove tounge from cheek*
-confidential
Windows 2000 was released? i thought they said "maybe febuary"?
-confidential
I don't know how load could cause a system to reboot except for software problems though. You can throw as much work as you want at a CPU or RAM or hard drive, and as long as your drivers and core OS are good, they aren't going to be rebooting.
As much fun as it is to rip apart Microsoft, I found their history article a good thing. I honestly never thought I'd live to hear:
"[Engineers] were literally in front of the FTP and download servers for an entire day rebooting them to keep them up because there were too many users for what the boxes could handle."
come from a Microsoft spokesperson.
No, this isn't a new story to laugh at Microsoft with. Having them admit to being mortal is an important step in becoming less of the conceived monster that they appear to be.
In case you're missing the big deal: Microsoft admitted that something they made didn't work. Perhaps this is just a fluke, or this article didn't get cleared by their PR people, but maybe this is a sign that they're going to start being more forthright when it comes to bugs?
Or am I reading too much into this?
MS's public face is one thing, but my experience has been that in private meetings their culture is one of pretty heavy self-criticism. I'm no MS advocate, but in my work life I interact with folks at MS pretty regularly, and they can be brutally honest internally. I'm guessing it's one of the reasons they've been successful.
As to the article, I'm guessing the PR people rightly guessed that there's not a lot of risk admitting something didn't work due to unexpected popularity. "Why, there were many more users than even *we* could predict!"
;)
I quote:
"Steve Heaney and Mark Ingalls were literally in front of the FTP and download servers for an entire day
rebooting them to keep them up because there were too many users for what the boxes could handle," said
Todd Weeks, now microsoft.com's systems operations manager. "Two weeks later, they hired a capacity
planner for the download program so we wouldn't have the same fiasco for Internet Explorer 4.0."
Another time capsule I very much like: go to ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/sim/ and download the PDP emulator from the sources/ subdirectory. Then download the files from the software/ directory: uv5swre.tar.Z is an image of a PDP-11 disk running Unix version 5. That's really something worth trying out. You can also download Unix versions 6 and 7, and some old version of RSTS/E, and a few other dusty programs of the kind. Including a copy of the Lisp interpreter (with source), by L. Peter Deutsch, for the PDP-1.
One thing I would also very much like is to be able to run ITS, the fabled hackers' operating system that ran on the PDP-10. I found the sources, but I don't have a PDP-10 emulator capable of running that thing.
What makes it not free? This is what I get from phpinfo() for version 3.0.12:
PHP License
This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of:
A) the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
B) the PHP License as published by the PHP development Team and included in the distribution in the file: LICENSE
This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details.
You should have received a copy of both licenses referred to here. If you did not, or have any questions about PHP licensing, please contact core@php.net.
Is PHP4B3 different?
From the "well-articulated view":
I correctly predicted Mozilla source would lack SSL and lack JAVA when shipped.
Wow! He predicted something that has been known by anyone interested in Mozilla since the openning of the source code... (And if you don't know the reasons for the lack of SSL and how Java is supported in Mozilla, then find out.)
What the hell program have you been using? Edit>Preferences>Advanced>Automatically load images check box. Works just fine, thanks.
...sitting on my shelf. Back in the 1.1 kernel days, or maybe the early 1.2, my Quantum Empire 1 Gb SCSI disk died. It certainly still contain lots of historically valuable data in the netscape cache. Who remembers freshmeat.unreal.org? :)
For example, the sid=moderation might not be archived, and there used to be some really interesting stuff in there (like roblimo talking about slashdot's quiet period).
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
Those were the days when the Web wasn't yet commercialized...
Wow, I am reading Slashdot on Netscape 0.93! It works and even looks quite good. I think this is how a web browser still should look like! :)
Whoa, ya... erm, I'd better start writing a script right now to try to get this one. er, ah, get a friend who knows how to do that to write a script for it...
I predict a very large spike in posts surrounding midnight that day, assuming of course that all the necessary computers continue running over the date change. Naturally, the more people that respond to this post, the more people will attempt to get first post of the new millenium (first post of the first year in which the first digit in a four digit year is '2').
Happy posting!
daveo remembers deleting some of his most important files (in the not-so-new days of the internet) and having to call up friends to look in their cache to try to restore the site.
-DAVEO
"The URL you requested:
http://www.eng.buffalo.edu/~clau/mozilla
is restricted, and cannot be accessed. Please do not repeat the request."
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Demanding constant attention will only lead to attention.
Seems like all they were doing all the time was rebooting..
The article is filled with quotes like:
"Steve Heaney and Mark Ingalls were literally in front of the FTP and download servers for an entire day rebooting them to keep them up because there were too many users for what the boxes could handle,"
Welcome to 1999:
First, the web admin 403-forbids the site 10 minutes after slashdot links to it.
An hour later the server, http://www.eng.buffalo.edu/, is completely crashed.
Pinging confucius.eng.buffalo.edu [128.205.25.7] with 32 bytes of data:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
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What happens when you outlaw guns
While reading Microsoft's history of www.microsoft.com...
Did you notice that Microsoft's picture of the first Microsoft web server ever also shows the first pioneering implementation of Microsoft's proven PTKAMRFA remote administration tool, still the only remote administration option to ship with Windows NT to this day?
(PTKAMRFA: Put The Keyboard And Monitor Really Far Away (tm) (c) )
Some linux people seem to think that telnet or ssh is superior but they're just stupid longhairs.
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What happens when you outlaw guns
You can find PHPSlash here: http://phplib.netuse.de/download/index.php3
Be aware that it is pre-alpha software (v 0.5.2). A website will exist at phpslash.org, but it is not there yet.
[Seoman] "A conclusion is simply the place where you got tired of thinking."
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/mozilla/
Did anyone notice how one of the headlines on the 1995 page screenshot is "Microsoft responds to the DOJ" ?
Hehe... This has been going on for quite some time, it would seem.
1995: Msft responds to the DOJ
1999-2000: The DOJ has lain dormant for too long...
25% Funny, 25% Insightful, 25% Informative, 25% Troll
You mean this? ftp://archive:oldies@archive.netscape.com/archive/ index.html
I don't even see v0.94.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
There is a superb documentary produced by Canadian Broadcasting Corporation called 'The Archaeology of the Internet'. The show includes interviews with some of the Netscape crew as well as many others. The CBC has generously posted the show on thier site. (RealAudio). So hunker down with some popcorn for an hour and take a great trip down memory lane. It can be found at: http://radio.cbc.ca/programs/ideas/shows/internet/ internet.ram (running time 54 mins.) mitd
mitd -- Made in the Dark
"One good thing about spam... You don't gotta answer it"
When are we going to see a Slashdot time capsule?
I've had bad luck with the original and the mirror that was posted, so here is a working mirror.
what do you guys think would have resulted if they had opensourced their browser?! that could've changed history!
bye,
-jimbo
opera is multi-platform numbnutz
Enter the DirtMerchant
It may be just me, but I'm getting access forbidden errors on the site. I'm wondering if the site got slashdotted and the sysadmin changed the file permissions in order to save his servers. Anybody happen to get a mirror of this thing?
I read about that back around the 7th over at BrowserWatch. Three weeks later it shows up here. I guess my take on what would make a good /. story just isn't quite on, or I'd be posting more of this browser stuff. Either that, or I assume someone's already posted anything good I've found...
Constitutionally Correct
Troll.
Windows is going the way of phlogiston...
Man, oh man. Those boys over at Microsoft are trying to make it sound as if they invented the web "way back" in 1994! Can you believe that? They talk about one server sitting under a desk that some guy kept switching off by mistake. Hey, switching off a box running NT is no mistake; it is an honorable act. They have a screen shot of one of their early pages. It's pretty amusing. http://www.microsoft.com/library/images/gifs/stori es/flshbk_starmap.gif Now everybody together, let's slashdot 'em!
Windows is going the way of phlogiston...
To : release@mcom.com
Cc :
Attchmnt:
Subject : Re: Here it is, world!
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Hi Marc,
Sorry for the late reply, please send me an
updated list of the mirrors, thanks!
>An up-to-date listing of mirror sites can be
>obtained at any time by
>sending email to release@mcom.com.
I guess BU killed access due to bandwidth problems. Definition: Slashdot - Acceptable way to do a DOS attack.
"If you received this message from attempting to access the web site "http://www.eng.buffalo.edu/~clau/mozilla", please do not bother sending e-mail to the administrators; the site has been taken down due to overload problems."
"It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
Archives almost all older version of Netscape & includes latest version up to Mozzila M12!
StarTrek.org Free Webmail
While we're all flashing back, here's another great flashback to what www.microsoft.com looked like back in 1993. Enjoy! www.microsofttimecapsule.com
I loaded up Slashdot's front page in Netscape 0.94 and it is actually legible. Although, it crashed pretty quickly, probably because I was running it and Communicator 4.5 simultaneously.
Beer wants to be free
Looks like they didn't take too kindly to being slashdotted.
To anyone I may have freaked out on: I apologize. I was beside myself trying to get things working again, as this server is sometimes used for Real Work, and was totally useless during the initial onslaught. I'm better now ... :-)
-- Dave
Seems like as of 8:40 PM EST the site no longer gave 404's. it's 8:47 EST appro and it's still up.. slow.. but still working for me =)
hi guys- (in case you're wondering, i'm "clau") i'm setting up a mirror right now.