The familiar pattern is that America causes waves of democracy wherever it goes.
That really is bullshit, and raises a point about why America is so hated around the world. The image of an arrogant and obese American steadfast in the belief that anything that is good in the world is due to the good ol' US of A is offensive as it is laughable.
I know you guys are bought up saluting the flag and all that shit so you are pretty fucking brain washed by the time you turn 7, but you should really include the facts that you don't like in making your assessment. Particularly in the last 60-70 years, wherever the US has gone they have worked against the will of local populations, killed millions of innocent civilians, installed puppet totalitarian regimes, sold out allies, supported terrorists etc, etc, etc.
If US mods find this post they will surely mod it down, but they will have to settle for flamebait, troll or overrated because there is no "True, but goes against all of the programming my fucked up country has burned into my being from childhood and I can't cope" option.
In terms of your liberal democracy, from studying your system and the Westminster system, I find the latter superior, certainly at defending liberty. That system has been evolving since long before the US existed and owes the Yankee "freedom man" nothing.
That's right! They hate our freedom to invade, steal from them, install puppet governemts, tear up the puppet governments and install new ones, blame them for terrorism while remaining really friendly with countries that actuall y produce the terrorists - in fact giving them VIP rights to fly when no one else in the US is allowed to.
Yep, they hate it that anyone has that kind of freedom.
as a resident of College Park... I seriously doubt they have the capacity to handle a ten foot sphere of sodium
It's like this.
You could inhale a load of ash and need serious and expensive medical attention. Then again,you could get pro-active and install a water tank somewhere uphill from the sphere, with say a 10 Kl capacity. If there is a problem, you release the water.
Sure, it'll cause a larger, more violent reaction, bathing you in sodium hydroxide and turning you into soap, but at least you will then be of some use to someone rather than a financial burden. And what better way to clean the local environment?
Sheesh, you're not even trying to look for the positive.
... Which suggests that you haven't coded for very long. It is not that Java is bad per se, it just that the competition beats it. Try Python, PHP, Ruby, Erlang, Bash, Lisp or any other really-high level language. You'll be pleasantly surprised and maybe you will also see why people dislike Java.
This suggests you don't know what Java is - especially including bash in your list of comparisons, WTF is with that bullshit?
Google is your friend - but I'll just start off by letting you in on a little secret to get you started. Java and Javascript are different languages.
I have used 4/6 of the languages you listed and I still prefer Java for jobs where Java is more appropriate than say bash. Bash vs. java is like frying pan vs. screwdriver. One is good for fixing eggs, the other good for fixing a car.
Seriously, that shit is like people who still bang on about how Linux is not ready for the mainstream desktop because it only has a CLI. Go and update your knowledge and then comment.
The most successful language I know would have to be befunge93. It set out to be difficult if not impossible to compile and was an outstanding success. The facts that it's used to develop exactly 0 projects on Sourceforge and that there are no compilers are testament to this.
Probably been said before by others, but the biggest reason I don't use kde is the kutesy put a "k" in everything naming konvention. Not trying to troll here, it's one of those things that shits me enough for me to not want to install it at all, regardless of how far it's kome.
How drastically would their DNA differ from that of current Norweigians, Swedes, and Danes?
Or parts of the British Isles, Francs and Germany? Let's not forget that the worlds first known representative democracy was the Viking city of Dublin. They went everywhere, man.
Also on the web side of things, a friend of someone I don't even know was working for a government department where certain officers with very high legal responsibility where given access to the network over the internet using an extremely locked down remote desktop type of product. These officers were given the access so they could review important and often highly sensitive files at home. Just to be clear, these officers are also cleared to take the material home on paper, so giving them this kind of access is not really a problem.
The hole in the the system was that the secure remote desktop type product allowed them to deny certain types of access and the policy forbade the ability to print on the officer's local printers. This was to prevent the leaking of sensitive information in case the officer was burgled, or perhaps to keep the log files neater. Most likely to look good to their bosses by applying strict security measures.
One day in a meeting on security for an unrelated project this friend of someone I have never even met used this as an example to illustrate the difference between reality and theatre by pointing out that these officers had taken to emailing sensitive documents to hotmail accounts (!!!!), then downloading them and printing them at home. You wouldn't call the colours of their anglo faces white on receiving this information, more a dull silvery grey.
The following week it was announced that these officers would be allowed to print on local computers when logged into the network. The friend of someone I have no idea about also got a generally more pragmatic approach to security for at least three weeks!
Thank you. There seem to be so many people who have bought the propaganda to the point that they no longer understand what some words mean, or perhaps they never knew so the definitions have been defined by propaganda.
Insurgents rebel against legal authority, they are individuals within a group that rebel against the group. People from one country who attack another are generally invaders, aggressors or terrorists depending on the scale, government involvement and nature of the attacks.
The US has not experienced an insurgency in Iraq. The Iraqi government has, but that government is of dubious standing in Iraq given that it has been installed by an illegal invader. Hypothetically reverse the conflict and ask yourself if someone invaded the US and installed the government they wanted, would you fight against it or simply accept it? If you would answer the former, you could well be labelled a "terrorist insurgent", or "resistance fighter" depending on the political standpoint of the labeler.
Not many monitors or practitioners of international law consider the invasion of Iraq legal, close to zero. There was no UN mandate to support it, there were mandates supporting the use of force but they were irrelevant to the situation at the time. The only people who argue that it was legal are American neo-cons, hardly known for their understanding or respect of international law, their cronies and idiots who buy the propaganda.
Please re-read the dictionary because while the definition of terrorist has changed recently, the definition of insurgent has not yet been corrupted in the good book.
There's also the Celts in Western China - well they aren't exactly Celts, they just happen to be a minority with indigenous art that resembles Celtic design, they frequently have blond hair, curly hair, green/blue eyes, etc, etc. Makes me wonder whether the Orkney Islanders contributed to the Yakuts or the other way around.
Which brings me to another point. How does this get passed off as science? It's pseudo-science at best, rating somewhere close to astrology. They find some patterns that frequently occur and use them to pass their fictional stories about unknowable history as fact. Not saying it has no place, just saying it deserves as much funding as astrology.
Apparently people smarter than you are have decided that "who is the creator according to Hinduism, and for what was Al Capone eventually imprisoned" are very relevant to your IQ.
Aaaah, that's one of those arguments stupid people make when trying to beat intelligent people in an argument.
The same kind of stupid people who think that intelligence can be assessed world wide from general knowledge questions which are obviously based in narrow cultural bounds. Stupid stupid stupid.
It said "Who is Winnie the Pooh's depressive donkey friend?" and I spent too long looking for the "How the fuck does knowing something about British children's fiction later bastardised by Disney tell you anything about my intelligence?" option.
Sorry everyone, I should have known better than to try and answer a question with a question.
It isn't a distro yet, although it isn't that anyone got their ego dented, remember it's for Gentoo users and their egos are unassailable. Now that word has got out that someone actually got a fully functioning installation of Gentoo and kept it working for six months, these guys had to create a distro which doesn't work at all and announce it with a site that tells everyone to go away.
They aren't setting out to reinvent the wheel as such, just taking strategic measures to maintain their 1337ness.
To me this feels like she bought a car with power windows and AC then went back to the place that sold her the vehicle and forced them to take out the parts.
Nah, that's a bullshit analogy. That's like your saying that a car needs power windows or AC to be usable - it's as if you're saying that an OS is an optional extra.
To be really useful cars, whether or not they have AC, need roads. Even off-road cars don't last long without them. Roads are the things that facilitate the application of the tool (car) to the task (transport), much like computer operating systems are to computers.
For a better analogy, try this:
To me this feels like she bought a car with power windows and AC then went back to the place that sold her the vehicle, complained that it only allowed her to drive between the car dealer, a MacDonalds and the local infectious diseases clinic, charged tolls on otherwise free roads and the stereo automatically put earplugs in the ears of her passengers when she listened to the stereo. She forced them to allow her to drive her car wherever the fuck she wanted and give her a new stereo.
Do you think maybe the government feels they are doing such a great job there's no need to clamp down?
Yeah, I think it's a way to show the world that they are a lot better at handling a humanitarian crisis than totalitarian governments like Burma's junta after the cyclone or the USAs rebublicans after the hurricane. They are doing well with this and are keen to show it - as many governments on Earth would be.
Most of KDE's signature customizability is gone...
I think all the tweaks in KDE have gone while they overhaul the whole project. The same thing happened to gnome a while back. Remember when GNOME was the king of customisation? Then everything disappeared into text files and then eventually new tweak UIs became available. I'm running an Ubuntu desktop now and, apart from the icon on the Applications menu, it looks and feels very different from Ubuntu. The same will happen with KDE4, you just have to be patient.
GNOME, which started out as a GPL-purity alternative to KDE, has become Microsoft.NET for Linux
People keep saying this but I don't see it. There are a couple of gnome apps which use.NET, but they are not essential and are easily removed or replaced if Microsoft decides to play really rough. Just because Miguel is now a paid promoter for MS technologies, doesn't mean that the GNOME project is compromised.
I really don't see the problem with using technologies like.NET or Java, although the latter is now approaching full GPL. As long as the standards are open, and remember that.NET has had language support advantages over Java for some time which are only now being addressed in java6, a free implementation is possible.
Of course if FOSS does gain world domination, saying this in public will probably have me shipped off to "free camp" for re-education.;-P
I tend to avoid hanging it on people who hold strong beliefs about the existence of aliens. Partly because I believe in freedom of religion and think it is rude to ridicule the faith of another, but mostly because religious nut-job whackos can be really dangerous.
<tinfoilhat>... maybe this statement means that the CoS has successfully infiltrated the RCC and is a step closer to world domination...</tinfoilhat>
The media, movies, web, just about everything is full of proud Americans banging on about the freedoms enshrined in the constitution, but it seems you guys don't know how to use them. Obvious corrupt crap like this which is precisely what your 2nd amendment is for.
Now it may seem like I'm trolling here, but stay with me a moment. Your right to bare arms is not there so you can all be badass gangstas, cowboys or teenage psycho-killers. It's so you can remind your governments at all levels that they serve you, not the other way around.
March on these fuckers, boot them out and then raid warehouses and shops of legitimate DVDs, CDs, etc. Dump the lot in the bay. Have a big L.A. DVD party and stop being such pussies.
Okay, so maybe I am trolling a bit, but at least I'm shooting for Insightful Troll. You know it makes sense.
I find Impress about as easy to use as Powerpoint. The major difference for me is that Impress exports to flash. Sorry, which one were you saying is better for the average user?
If I was australian and wanted to buy one, I'd throw in the extra cash to show that linux users exist as a demographic.
I am Australian and I would do the same if I wanted one.
This is a bit off the topic of the original story, but hopefully relates to the thread.
Another good trick I used just recently to show that there is a market for Linux in Australia is to complain about the OEM OS that comes machines from the viewpoint of statutory warranty.
I bought a notebook which, according to the display in the shop, came with Vista Home Premium. According to MS, Vista home premium has excellent repair tools and can be installed on a 40GB partition, but the version on my notebook could only be installed by wiping the entire machine and taking up the 150GB of the 160 GB disk.
I argued that what they gave me was not Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium as advertised. I pointed out that the box including the term "OEM" did not fully explain the limitations of the included software and that reasonable research into Vista on the Microsoft site gave me a completely different idea of what I was buying. It wasn't until after I opened the box, installed Linux and then wanted to put Vista on a 40GB partition for testing purposes that I found out about the limitations, and then it was only after I called support.
After a several conversations with customer service and tech support, I finally got them to pay for full installation media from Microsoft. I know MS still got their money, but the story has spread through the OEM about how Ubuntu is easier to use and quicker on my notebook than Vista and I have soured the relationship further between MS and a supplier, which according to some candid conversations with support and business people within the supplier is already pretty sour.
I should stress that all the way through the process I was polite. Every time customer service attempted to transfer me to tech support, I explained that the problem was not a technical one, but a business one, namely that they had to provide Vista Home Premium as described on the Microsoft site or they were in breach of the statutory warranty. Every time they said "We don't support downgrading the unit," I politely corrected them, informing them I had upgraded it. Every time they made reference to the "recovery partition", I corrected them telling them that from a customer's point of view wiping the entire system clean is no recovery.
Sure I am only one person, but seeing as you can no longer get a refund for just the OS on an OEM product, if everyone does what I have done instead of silently installing Linux, the manufacturers will start to see that there is a market for desktop Linux here.
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That really is bullshit, and raises a point about why America is so hated around the world. The image of an arrogant and obese American steadfast in the belief that anything that is good in the world is due to the good ol' US of A is offensive as it is laughable.
I know you guys are bought up saluting the flag and all that shit so you are pretty fucking brain washed by the time you turn 7, but you should really include the facts that you don't like in making your assessment. Particularly in the last 60-70 years, wherever the US has gone they have worked against the will of local populations, killed millions of innocent civilians, installed puppet totalitarian regimes, sold out allies, supported terrorists etc, etc, etc.
If US mods find this post they will surely mod it down, but they will have to settle for flamebait, troll or overrated because there is no "True, but goes against all of the programming my fucked up country has burned into my being from childhood and I can't cope" option.
In terms of your liberal democracy, from studying your system and the Westminster system, I find the latter superior, certainly at defending liberty. That system has been evolving since long before the US existed and owes the Yankee "freedom man" nothing.
That's right! They hate our freedom to invade, steal from them, install puppet governemts, tear up the puppet governments and install new ones, blame them for terrorism while remaining really friendly with countries that actuall y produce the terrorists - in fact giving them VIP rights to fly when no one else in the US is allowed to.
Yep, they hate it that anyone has that kind of freedom.
It's like this.
You could inhale a load of ash and need serious and expensive medical attention. Then again ,you could get pro-active and install a water tank somewhere uphill from the sphere, with say a 10 Kl capacity. If there is a problem, you release the water.
Sure, it'll cause a larger, more violent reaction, bathing you in sodium hydroxide and turning you into soap, but at least you will then be of some use to someone rather than a financial burden. And what better way to clean the local environment?
Sheesh, you're not even trying to look for the positive.
This suggests you don't know what Java is - especially including bash in your list of comparisons, WTF is with that bullshit?
Google is your friend - but I'll just start off by letting you in on a little secret to get you started. Java and Javascript are different languages.
I have used 4/6 of the languages you listed and I still prefer Java for jobs where Java is more appropriate than say bash. Bash vs. java is like frying pan vs. screwdriver. One is good for fixing eggs, the other good for fixing a car.
Seriously, that shit is like people who still bang on about how Linux is not ready for the mainstream desktop because it only has a CLI. Go and update your knowledge and then comment.
How does one measure success?
The most successful language I know would have to be befunge93. It set out to be difficult if not impossible to compile and was an outstanding success. The facts that it's used to develop exactly 0 projects on Sourceforge and that there are no compilers are testament to this.
Probably been said before by others, but the biggest reason I don't use kde is the kutesy put a "k" in everything naming konvention. Not trying to troll here, it's one of those things that shits me enough for me to not want to install it at all, regardless of how far it's kome.
Or parts of the British Isles, Francs and Germany? Let's not forget that the worlds first known representative democracy was the Viking city of Dublin. They went everywhere, man.
Also on the web side of things, a friend of someone I don't even know was working for a government department where certain officers with very high legal responsibility where given access to the network over the internet using an extremely locked down remote desktop type of product. These officers were given the access so they could review important and often highly sensitive files at home. Just to be clear, these officers are also cleared to take the material home on paper, so giving them this kind of access is not really a problem.
The hole in the the system was that the secure remote desktop type product allowed them to deny certain types of access and the policy forbade the ability to print on the officer's local printers. This was to prevent the leaking of sensitive information in case the officer was burgled, or perhaps to keep the log files neater. Most likely to look good to their bosses by applying strict security measures.
One day in a meeting on security for an unrelated project this friend of someone I have never even met used this as an example to illustrate the difference between reality and theatre by pointing out that these officers had taken to emailing sensitive documents to hotmail accounts (!!!!), then downloading them and printing them at home. You wouldn't call the colours of their anglo faces white on receiving this information, more a dull silvery grey.
The following week it was announced that these officers would be allowed to print on local computers when logged into the network. The friend of someone I have no idea about also got a generally more pragmatic approach to security for at least three weeks!
He didn't start his post sound like a pathetic grovelling little worm!!!
Thank you. There seem to be so many people who have bought the propaganda to the point that they no longer understand what some words mean, or perhaps they never knew so the definitions have been defined by propaganda.
Insurgents rebel against legal authority, they are individuals within a group that rebel against the group. People from one country who attack another are generally invaders, aggressors or terrorists depending on the scale, government involvement and nature of the attacks.
The US has not experienced an insurgency in Iraq. The Iraqi government has, but that government is of dubious standing in Iraq given that it has been installed by an illegal invader. Hypothetically reverse the conflict and ask yourself if someone invaded the US and installed the government they wanted, would you fight against it or simply accept it? If you would answer the former, you could well be labelled a "terrorist insurgent", or "resistance fighter" depending on the political standpoint of the labeler.
Not many monitors or practitioners of international law consider the invasion of Iraq legal, close to zero. There was no UN mandate to support it, there were mandates supporting the use of force but they were irrelevant to the situation at the time. The only people who argue that it was legal are American neo-cons, hardly known for their understanding or respect of international law, their cronies and idiots who buy the propaganda.
Please re-read the dictionary because while the definition of terrorist has changed recently, the definition of insurgent has not yet been corrupted in the good book.
There's also the Celts in Western China - well they aren't exactly Celts, they just happen to be a minority with indigenous art that resembles Celtic design, they frequently have blond hair, curly hair, green/blue eyes, etc, etc. Makes me wonder whether the Orkney Islanders contributed to the Yakuts or the other way around.
Which brings me to another point. How does this get passed off as science? It's pseudo-science at best, rating somewhere close to astrology. They find some patterns that frequently occur and use them to pass their fictional stories about unknowable history as fact. Not saying it has no place, just saying it deserves as much funding as astrology.
Aaaah, that's one of those arguments stupid people make when trying to beat intelligent people in an argument.
The same kind of stupid people who think that intelligence can be assessed world wide from general knowledge questions which are obviously based in narrow cultural bounds. Stupid stupid stupid.
I got stuck on the first question.
It said "Who is Winnie the Pooh's depressive donkey friend?" and I spent too long looking for the "How the fuck does knowing something about British children's fiction later bastardised by Disney tell you anything about my intelligence?" option.
Sorry everyone, I should have known better than to try and answer a question with a question.
It isn't a distro yet, although it isn't that anyone got their ego dented, remember it's for Gentoo users and their egos are unassailable. Now that word has got out that someone actually got a fully functioning installation of Gentoo and kept it working for six months, these guys had to create a distro which doesn't work at all and announce it with a site that tells everyone to go away.
They aren't setting out to reinvent the wheel as such, just taking strategic measures to maintain their 1337ness.
Nah, that's a bullshit analogy. That's like your saying that a car needs power windows or AC to be usable - it's as if you're saying that an OS is an optional extra.
To be really useful cars, whether or not they have AC, need roads. Even off-road cars don't last long without them. Roads are the things that facilitate the application of the tool (car) to the task (transport), much like computer operating systems are to computers.
For a better analogy, try this:
See the difference?
Yeah, I think it's a way to show the world that they are a lot better at handling a humanitarian crisis than totalitarian governments like Burma's junta after the cyclone or the USAs rebublicans after the hurricane. They are doing well with this and are keen to show it - as many governments on Earth would be.
I think all the tweaks in KDE have gone while they overhaul the whole project. The same thing happened to gnome a while back. Remember when GNOME was the king of customisation? Then everything disappeared into text files and then eventually new tweak UIs became available. I'm running an Ubuntu desktop now and, apart from the icon on the Applications menu, it looks and feels very different from Ubuntu. The same will happen with KDE4, you just have to be patient.
People keep saying this but I don't see it. There are a couple of gnome apps which use .NET, but they are not essential and are easily removed or replaced if Microsoft decides to play really rough. Just because Miguel is now a paid promoter for MS technologies, doesn't mean that the GNOME project is compromised.
I really don't see the problem with using technologies like .NET or Java, although the latter is now approaching full GPL. As long as the standards are open, and remember that .NET has had language support advantages over Java for some time which are only now being addressed in java6, a free implementation is possible.
Of course if FOSS does gain world domination, saying this in public will probably have me shipped off to "free camp" for re-education. ;-P
Crypto! You are not authorized to write articles for the Vatican Observatory. Return to the invasion site immediately!
Scientology may well be right.
I tend to avoid hanging it on people who hold strong beliefs about the existence of aliens. Partly because I believe in freedom of religion and think it is rude to ridicule the faith of another, but mostly because religious nut-job whackos can be really dangerous.
<tinfoilhat>... maybe this statement means that the CoS has successfully infiltrated the RCC and is a step closer to world domination ...</tinfoilhat>
My double negative parser segfaulted.
There's a loom at the Australian Wool Museum in Geelong, or at least there was last time I went.
They have punch cards from the 1890s IIRC
The media, movies, web, just about everything is full of proud Americans banging on about the freedoms enshrined in the constitution, but it seems you guys don't know how to use them. Obvious corrupt crap like this which is precisely what your 2nd amendment is for.
Now it may seem like I'm trolling here, but stay with me a moment. Your right to bare arms is not there so you can all be badass gangstas, cowboys or teenage psycho-killers. It's so you can remind your governments at all levels that they serve you, not the other way around.
March on these fuckers, boot them out and then raid warehouses and shops of legitimate DVDs, CDs, etc. Dump the lot in the bay. Have a big L.A. DVD party and stop being such pussies.
Okay, so maybe I am trolling a bit, but at least I'm shooting for Insightful Troll. You know it makes sense.
I find Impress about as easy to use as Powerpoint. The major difference for me is that Impress exports to flash. Sorry, which one were you saying is better for the average user?
Next you'll be saying that about diamonds..... Oh wait....
I am Australian and I would do the same if I wanted one.
This is a bit off the topic of the original story, but hopefully relates to the thread.
Another good trick I used just recently to show that there is a market for Linux in Australia is to complain about the OEM OS that comes machines from the viewpoint of statutory warranty.
I bought a notebook which, according to the display in the shop, came with Vista Home Premium. According to MS, Vista home premium has excellent repair tools and can be installed on a 40GB partition, but the version on my notebook could only be installed by wiping the entire machine and taking up the 150GB of the 160 GB disk.
I argued that what they gave me was not Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium as advertised. I pointed out that the box including the term "OEM" did not fully explain the limitations of the included software and that reasonable research into Vista on the Microsoft site gave me a completely different idea of what I was buying. It wasn't until after I opened the box, installed Linux and then wanted to put Vista on a 40GB partition for testing purposes that I found out about the limitations, and then it was only after I called support.
After a several conversations with customer service and tech support, I finally got them to pay for full installation media from Microsoft. I know MS still got their money, but the story has spread through the OEM about how Ubuntu is easier to use and quicker on my notebook than Vista and I have soured the relationship further between MS and a supplier, which according to some candid conversations with support and business people within the supplier is already pretty sour.
I should stress that all the way through the process I was polite. Every time customer service attempted to transfer me to tech support, I explained that the problem was not a technical one, but a business one, namely that they had to provide Vista Home Premium as described on the Microsoft site or they were in breach of the statutory warranty. Every time they said "We don't support downgrading the unit," I politely corrected them, informing them I had upgraded it. Every time they made reference to the "recovery partition", I corrected them telling them that from a customer's point of view wiping the entire system clean is no recovery.
Sure I am only one person, but seeing as you can no longer get a refund for just the OS on an OEM product, if everyone does what I have done instead of silently installing Linux, the manufacturers will start to see that there is a market for desktop Linux here.