That is interesting, but not exactly the same situation. As with the nuclear option of addressing the oil well, Hell's Gate was an attempt to fix a problem resulting in bizarre primary consequences.
The theorized cause of the fire here was an unintended consequence of an action. If the firefighters had instead, say, attempted to burn off a dangerous pocket of gas in the mine causing a fire which lasted for 40 years, that would be an illustration of an engineering problem with a stupid, brute force solution. So it's still halfassery, but not of the sort under discussion in this instance.
I don't necessarily disagree with you because I think you've probably got a point, but I'm going to play devil's advocate.
The counter to your assertion is that the majority (not all, by any means) of the folks who are doing this stuff are helping bring capital to the markets. Through investment banking, deal-making, and mathematical analysis of market patterns it helps allocate capital to projects which build economies. NOW... this obviously has it's downsides because you can point to the real estate bubble and say that was a disaster (which it was) and you can also point to the dot.com era and say that was a disaster (which it was), but in the instance of the dot.com bubble at least, a lot of infrastructure was built because of funding created through Wall Street Bankers. This infrastructure (hardware and software) still supports the projects we're working on today.
Like I said, I don't know if I totally buy the argument I've just outlined, but that is the response a banker would give (and has given me).
What do you think "auditing the Fed" really means? The Fed's books are already open and reviewed by accountants regularly. In this context, "auditing the Fed" means putting the Fed under more control of politicians, which does NOT WORK... just ask Japan. Yes, the politicians would LOVE to get their hands on the money spouts.
I find that when people go off about the Fed, monetazation, etc they generally don't know jack about economics and ultimately start babbling about end of world scenarios, the government, blah, blah blah rather than economic facts.
WOW. Thanks for the info! I'm going to go back to buying stuff on iTunes now. I dunno if it's just in my head, but it seems the Amazon songs are of lower sound quality - never bothered to look up the bitrates though.
Wait... are you SURE about that? I've been buying music off Amazon for over a year now. I recall right as Amazon rolled out their service, Apple started offering Apple+ (or some such name) without DRM for a 30 cent premium. That's when I flipped Apple the bird and started buying off of Amazon - why should I pay 30 cents more?
But buying from Apple straight onto my ipod would be a lot more convenient, if it's DRM free...
Someone. Please, please, PLEASE enlighten me on the difference between web and Internet. Yeah, I know they're different and it's a matter of protocols, but I've heard this for years and honestly still don't quite get it.
A fair number of revolutionary ideas began with people supported by the church. That doesn't mean the ideas were embraced by the leadership at the Vatican.
Yes. Catholic leadership generally learned their lessons during the Renaissance. You know, the whole obstinate insistence the Earth is at center of the universe, imprisoning Galileo, etc, etc will teach nearly any institution a lesson or two in flexibility. And it only took 1500 years or so...
The church has not "endorsed" evolution though - they just remain fairly silent on it and grudgingly admit the argument may have merit. But I'm with you, I have some appreciation for the institution that attempts to use some kind of critical thought in it's view of the world. Nothing drives me more crazy than intentional ignorance.
Agreed. So all a terrorist organization needs is 1) Enough money to buy this thing... which isn't cheap 2) The contacts to do so (not difficult, but not inconsequential) and 3) A FUCKING CONTAINER SHIP... if you've ever seen a container ship, they're HUGE and enormously expensive... even the "small ones".
I think a few dudes with AKs in a crowded NYC street is enough to cause real terror, not hoping your one time shot off an impossibly huge investment in a cruise missile and boat is successful.
Yeah, because I want random bits of whateverthefuck plant in my cheerios and bread. What bullshit. There's nothing wrong with cultivating plants for human uses while at the same time preserving those truly wild places for biodiversity and nature.
Again, I've got to make the point, but... duh. How did you think these things worked? (I'm assuming you're a technical person)
I'm not trolling, I'm just saying this is the way things are designed and in fact, I've heard at least a couple stories where 911 operators have had and exercised the option to triangulate a cell signal to determine someone's whereabouts (could be urban legend, I dunno). Doing all that in the time needed for emergency service? Location info sounds pretty freely accessible to governmental authorities to me.
But this is our brave new world. Damn near everyone on this site knows it. We just don't want to sit down, think about it and admit it to ourselves. We think we've got the option for total privacy, but we really don't if we want to be members of society.
Well, I didn't read this article, but I did read the article LAST week when/. posted this same story. My understanding was these folks spoof the number in question and use that to access 'xyz' database with the name info. Once you've got the name and phone number info, you can use the small European telcos to use the location service and determine roughly where someone is.
It all makes total sense to me, and as a tech person is actually one of those things I figured was probably the case (the routing protocol HAS to know where to send the phone call, and your phone must poll every once in a while to let the service know where it is), but like much in this modern age, I gave a big, huge meh to it. I feel fortunate enough to just understand how this crap can screw you, unlike my non-tech friends who are either completely ignorant or completely paranoid.
Agreed. I got an Android phone because I knew I was going to get Google's best products (and the google voice search and maps are more than enough to justify my purchase). To insinuate that Google is "evil" because they're competing in a marketplace is just silly.
Interesting. An actor doesn't just decide to "drop out of public life" - they're actors because they love public life. Hate to say it, but he may have one of those wretched old person's disease and needs to say goodbye.
Aging should be treated as a disease./provactiveStatement
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That is interesting, but not exactly the same situation. As with the nuclear option of addressing the oil well, Hell's Gate was an attempt to fix a problem resulting in bizarre primary consequences.
The theorized cause of the fire here was an unintended consequence of an action. If the firefighters had instead, say, attempted to burn off a dangerous pocket of gas in the mine causing a fire which lasted for 40 years, that would be an illustration of an engineering problem with a stupid, brute force solution. So it's still halfassery, but not of the sort under discussion in this instance.
I just happened to come across this a month or so ago and thought it was such a telling statement to Soviet engineering halfassery...
As an illustration as to why we should NOT follow Soviet engineering techniques, I submit Hell's Gate to you... (this thing has been burning for 40 years)
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEjoga1yrn0
A small amount of background: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63J4H120100420
m3 is too expensive to track and a wild guess at best anyway... that's where m3 went...
ugh - I wrote this quick... my apologies to any grammar nazis out there...
I don't necessarily disagree with you because I think you've probably got a point, but I'm going to play devil's advocate.
The counter to your assertion is that the majority (not all, by any means) of the folks who are doing this stuff are helping bring capital to the markets. Through investment banking, deal-making, and mathematical analysis of market patterns it helps allocate capital to projects which build economies. NOW... this obviously has it's downsides because you can point to the real estate bubble and say that was a disaster (which it was) and you can also point to the dot.com era and say that was a disaster (which it was), but in the instance of the dot.com bubble at least, a lot of infrastructure was built because of funding created through Wall Street Bankers. This infrastructure (hardware and software) still supports the projects we're working on today.
Like I said, I don't know if I totally buy the argument I've just outlined, but that is the response a banker would give (and has given me).
What do you think "auditing the Fed" really means? The Fed's books are already open and reviewed by accountants regularly. In this context, "auditing the Fed" means putting the Fed under more control of politicians, which does NOT WORK... just ask Japan. Yes, the politicians would LOVE to get their hands on the money spouts.
I find that when people go off about the Fed, monetazation, etc they generally don't know jack about economics and ultimately start babbling about end of world scenarios, the government, blah, blah blah rather than economic facts.
lol - now that's funny
WOW. Thanks for the info! I'm going to go back to buying stuff on iTunes now. I dunno if it's just in my head, but it seems the Amazon songs are of lower sound quality - never bothered to look up the bitrates though.
Wait... are you SURE about that? I've been buying music off Amazon for over a year now. I recall right as Amazon rolled out their service, Apple started offering Apple+ (or some such name) without DRM for a 30 cent premium. That's when I flipped Apple the bird and started buying off of Amazon - why should I pay 30 cents more?
But buying from Apple straight onto my ipod would be a lot more convenient, if it's DRM free...
Someone. Please, please, PLEASE enlighten me on the difference between web and Internet. Yeah, I know they're different and it's a matter of protocols, but I've heard this for years and honestly still don't quite get it.
A fair number of revolutionary ideas began with people supported by the church. That doesn't mean the ideas were embraced by the leadership at the Vatican.
Yes. Catholic leadership generally learned their lessons during the Renaissance. You know, the whole obstinate insistence the Earth is at center of the universe, imprisoning Galileo, etc, etc will teach nearly any institution a lesson or two in flexibility. And it only took 1500 years or so...
The church has not "endorsed" evolution though - they just remain fairly silent on it and grudgingly admit the argument may have merit. But I'm with you, I have some appreciation for the institution that attempts to use some kind of critical thought in it's view of the world. Nothing drives me more crazy than intentional ignorance.
I would imagine the itchy trigger finger of the military would be very intolerant of a pirated ship anywhere remotely close to an aircraft carrier.
Agreed. So all a terrorist organization needs is 1) Enough money to buy this thing... which isn't cheap 2) The contacts to do so (not difficult, but not inconsequential) and 3) A FUCKING CONTAINER SHIP... if you've ever seen a container ship, they're HUGE and enormously expensive... even the "small ones".
I think a few dudes with AKs in a crowded NYC street is enough to cause real terror, not hoping your one time shot off an impossibly huge investment in a cruise missile and boat is successful.
FUD
Yeah, because I want random bits of whateverthefuck plant in my cheerios and bread. What bullshit. There's nothing wrong with cultivating plants for human uses while at the same time preserving those truly wild places for biodiversity and nature.
Again, I've got to make the point, but... duh. How did you think these things worked? (I'm assuming you're a technical person)
I'm not trolling, I'm just saying this is the way things are designed and in fact, I've heard at least a couple stories where 911 operators have had and exercised the option to triangulate a cell signal to determine someone's whereabouts (could be urban legend, I dunno). Doing all that in the time needed for emergency service? Location info sounds pretty freely accessible to governmental authorities to me.
But this is our brave new world. Damn near everyone on this site knows it. We just don't want to sit down, think about it and admit it to ourselves. We think we've got the option for total privacy, but we really don't if we want to be members of society.
Well, I didn't read this article, but I did read the article LAST week when /. posted this same story. My understanding was these folks spoof the number in question and use that to access 'xyz' database with the name info. Once you've got the name and phone number info, you can use the small European telcos to use the location service and determine roughly where someone is.
It all makes total sense to me, and as a tech person is actually one of those things I figured was probably the case (the routing protocol HAS to know where to send the phone call, and your phone must poll every once in a while to let the service know where it is), but like much in this modern age, I gave a big, huge meh to it. I feel fortunate enough to just understand how this crap can screw you, unlike my non-tech friends who are either completely ignorant or completely paranoid.
Yeah, you got fucked on that one
True, true.
That's why open systems ultimately tend to win over the long term. Apple still hasn't learned that lesson.
Agreed. I got an Android phone because I knew I was going to get Google's best products (and the google voice search and maps are more than enough to justify my purchase). To insinuate that Google is "evil" because they're competing in a marketplace is just silly.
Who says old programmers are bitter? lmao
Interesting. An actor doesn't just decide to "drop out of public life" - they're actors because they love public life. Hate to say it, but he may have one of those wretched old person's disease and needs to say goodbye.
/provactiveStatement
Aging should be treated as a disease.
Shit. You're exactly right - I was wondering what on earth this was about... now it all makes "sense". Ugh
Well, I imagine someone will create a plugin that can be sold to small vendors. Plug in the name and address, and BOOM! all is taken care of for you.
I call BS. 3D goes in and out of fashion every couple decades. Maybe this time is different, but if history is any indication, my guess is no