Wow, and just last night...
2001-02-23 23:50:39 Perl for Palm? (askslashdot,pilot)
It was about the fact that I'm trying to learn Perl, and is there palm port of it? I had found an answer in the "top ten perl myths" from 2/23/00, in which the author said a Palm port was in the works, but I wasn't satisfied with that. I figured, if there was something out there,/. would know. Note that it hasn't been rejected yet!
So now I can confuse myself by trying to learn both lanugages. Excellent....
Heh, I'm well aware that it's not a real word. If I had delivered that post verbally, the parenthetical statement would have been delivereed with a narrowing of the eyes and a twist of the mouth. It's a bad habit of mine to make up words by incorrectly adding prefixes or suffixes (like en-). 8)
For a minute there, when i saw your post, I thought that it really was a word...
I'm with you on that all the way. Nethack is still my favorite game.
But we mustn't forget the other interfaces available besides the Qt thingie.
http://www.pinn.net/~jry/allegrohack/... AllegroHack uses the Allegro libs to enslicken (shutup, that's a word:P) the graphical interface that us DOS users can use. If it works, it's awesome. http://www.pinn.net/~jry/allegrohack/... Falcon's Eye is a really neat "isometric 3d" interface with mouse control and everything. Still in development, but cool nonetheless. The Nethack Site lets you set up a career ont heir server and then telnet in and play there, so that all the scores can be collected and people can compete against one another. Cute.
Also, there are many other Roguelikes out there... Rogue (the original roguelike, hehe), Angband, ADOM, etc.
I'm still partial to NetHack. I could list the reasons, but it's better if you play it for yourself and see.
Diablo is a roguelike, really, just shinier and with realtime action. Durn newfangled games....;)
Ah, yes. I'm not sure I saw that at first, though I can see it now. Hmmm. That was a couple months ago for me, after all. Still, I think some of his ideas were still solidifying at that point. For instance, the whole Traveling thing... the way in which Lews Therin and Ishamael travel in the prologue of Eye is pretty different from the method used later inthe series... of course, there could be different ways of traveling, I suppose, but the Forsaken do it too.
On a side note, doesn't this look like the sort of thing you always see on cheezy movies abiout the deep underground? Not so chessy after all, it seems.
Books too. Wat comes to my mind is Robert Jordan's The Eye of the World... there's that scene at the Eye when they descend into the cave that is sort of a focus for saidin, only not really (I think Jordan hadn't quite stabilized his ideas on how the Power worked, then)... and it was full of glowing crystals.
Crystal caves: they're not just for cheesy movies and old apogee games any more! Actually, I bet if you could somehow light the crystals in the cave, it would look really cool. It would, however, be a different beauty from the natural one of the cave. Although, ocme ot think of it, without some sort o light, it wouldn't look like anything.
I see your point there. To be honest, I can't remember why I put up with learning NetHack. But it came fairly quickly - I think maybe it was becuase I was really curious about how to play and win. And you know what? I don't know if I can go back. I love the complexity.
As to a use key... yeah, when I was toying with writing my own roguelike, I thought, "Damn, I'll make life easier for myself and the user if I have a generic use key." Although, strictly speaking, I'd have to write code to identify what kind of object it was and how to use it... but I digress.
Anyway, I guess Nethack is for some and not for others. Though it seems to be for less than it is not for. Wow, that's a complicated and poorly constructed sentence. You know what I mean.
I don't know about anyone else, but I have spent more sleepless nights playing nethack then any other 3d rendered, first person shooter Heh, me too. What a great game that is. I still haven't ascended (not even when i cheat!), but I'm working on it.
You're definitely right that NetHack is an example of OSS succeeding. On the other hand... Diablo seems to be much more popular, even though it's basically "shiny nethack" with animations and such, and even though Nethack is free. I'm not sure I could enjoy Diablo nearly as much as I enjoy NetHack, but that's just me. Now, why is Diablo more popular? I'm not sure. Maye it's that it's simpler; some people I try to introduce to nethack complain that they have to learn too many keys (uh...). Maybe it's the graphics; I geuss text mode or tile mode just isn't enough for the average short attention span. Maybe it's the advertising campaign. But do you think it's possible that whatever it is, it's a result of the big company behind the game?
I'm honestly not sure. I personally think that Nethack is a lot better than may other games out there. But it's clearly not as popular.
PS: yeah, "popular" is defined loosely here. sorry.
I think that the fact that TMP was the dying twitch of the pilot for Phase II is significant to the quality of the movie. Things must have been kinda confused. A couple years ago, in the midst of a hardcore trek phase, I got this book... "Star Trek Phase II." It talks all about the hypothetical series. Some of the concept art is really quite cool... and you can see where a lot of it got absorbed into FC and, significantly, Voyager. Also, they designed some sweet (and I rarely use that word) ships for the show. I understand some of the models showed up in the Wolf 359 "graveyard." The book also has some synopses of initial episodes, and a script. Some of these were assimilated (excuse me) for TNG episodes. Of course, there's some stuff I'm glad they ended up not using. Some pretty silly ideas. Bu the book is still mighty interesting.
Titles... "The Return?" "Voyager," maybe, though that would have given it away and would have been kinda ironic these decades later.
Random idea I just had: Phase II as a new series. Not entirely, of course, given the cirucsmtances, but... they still might be able to do something with it. On the other hand, it seems they've already used the best aspects of Phase II in the series and movies since.
so hopefully I'll have time soon to try PocketLinux (which sadly lacks a calandering app)
Well... uh... I certainly hope that's in development. Hmmm, I know that one of the most valuable parts of my Palm for me is the Datebook app... the point of a handheld at this point seems to be that it is an organizer. Now, I'm no fan of the PocketPC, but I'd rather use that than a handheld OS that lacks basic PDA functions. I thnk that Palm may be the best handheld OS out there in terms of functioning as a basic PDA with a flexible platform. PocketPC is good for trying to squeeze a desktop into your pocket.
Now, I ask this question with total honesty and openness: Besides the "hey that was a cool accomplishment" factor, what is the point of having linux on a handheld?
The next question is what distribution to use. Frankly, my only linux experience is through SSHing into the school server to do work on our online paper. Installation remains a mystery. This would be a learning experience. Suggestions? (What I'd want to do is probably programming, maybe some simple gaming (nethack), and maybe word processing)
Cripes. I think one problem is that this machine has so much... well, crap is the best word, on it. Norton System Doctor is the best of it, and that's broken somehow. If I don't do the linux thing, I might just reinstall everything from the recovery CD. Of course, then I could install linux and go the dual-booting route.... except for the 1.5 gig HDD. Hm.
Anyway. You are more fortunate than I. I wonder if your frequency of use might affect it... also, do you put it in standby mode or just let it screensaver(verb?)?
That reminds me....
So I've got an old Pentium 120 sitting in my bedroom. I use it mostly for word processing. Since it obvioulsy takes forever to boot, I like to keep it on (in standby mode) as much as possible. My experiment was to leave it running for several days, running two things: Word and NetHack. I wasn't even playing the NetHack much. Mostly, the thing just sat there in standby. I woke it up the other day to use it, and Word started randomly crashing on me. Just... freezing up and having to be terminated through "Close Program." I'm really considering Linux for that machine....
Ah, excellent! Now you Linux folks can play with Falcon's Eye, one of several spiffier-than-the-average-16x16-tiles interfaces being designed for that paragon of gaming, Nethack. So guess what I've been playing recently...;-)
Hm, I'm in my first year of a real C++ course in high school, attempting to get a formal education in the language. I guess there must be a shortage of teachers, because the new guy they hired this year is almost totally incompetent. For one thing, what he seems to know is C, not C++, to the extent that when I pointed out we could just use a bool for one program which worked with (surprise) booleans, he was surprised that that was a valid type. Right now, we're learning from a book, with no instruction of any sort on secure code like that. That worries me.
Good thing I'm not really considering a career as a programmer...
I just heard on NPR's hourly broadcast a tidbit about NASA's research into, among other things, escape systems for the shuttle. They also talked about it on Talk of the Nation five years ago. And while i'm doing the "karma-whore" thing, cnn.com has a piece about it.
In quasirelated news, that cargo ship docked with Mir, so we can now send it screaming to the ocean "between australia and south america." Greeeeat.
Anyway. Anyone got any info about these escape systems?
No, wait, stop laughing. I'd bet the the majority of college seniors now don't have nay experience with roguelike gaming; the closest "popular" game is Diablo (shiny nethack! with animation!), which differs from the average "real" roguelike in that it is more real-timeish and generally less convoluted.
Nethack has a nice blend of thinking and hack-and-slash violence. If you play it enough, you really have to start thinking and applying knowledge (do you know what amethyst means, and how amethyst stones interact with various potions? Hm? Do ya?). Also, it's my favorite game. 8)
Everyone and their evil twin (even myself) is commenting on the silliness of the "linux or native linux tools" thing, but another dimenion of it occurred to me: What if I want to draw my logo, then scan it in and manipulate it on the 'puter? That requires, um, Linux paper, Linux pen[cil], Linux scanner, Linux cable...
You can bet your trousers the graphics for games on the Palm platform are not all made on Palm...
Sounds like you might be into roguelike gaming, yes? Rogue, NetHack, Angband... "classic" gaming that's still modern and still good. I'm not sure why I'm posting this, except that a lot of the ideas you mentioned mirror my thoughts on computer gaming. And because of the "Red Warrior" thing, though I'm guessing that's not originally from NetHack...
It only takes time if you let it. By, say, taping scrap metal to it or coating it in jam or something...
You make a good point. I think going to these lengths to make life difficult for junk mailers is kind of like letting a bully get a reaction out of you. It's best if you ignore it as much as you can.
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Hehehe, I like that. um... what does it mean, exactly?
I think it was last weekend that I used the word "octopusillanimosity" in reference to... well, an octopus, I guess.
-J
Wow, and just last night...
/. would know.
2001-02-23 23:50:39 Perl for Palm? (askslashdot,pilot)
It was about the fact that I'm trying to learn Perl, and is there palm port of it? I had found an answer in the "top ten perl myths" from 2/23/00, in which the author said a Palm port was in the works, but I wasn't satisfied with that. I figured, if there was something out there,
Note that it hasn't been rejected yet!
So now I can confuse myself by trying to learn both lanugages. Excellent....
-J
Heh, I'm well aware that it's not a real word. If I had delivered that post verbally, the parenthetical statement would have been delivereed with a narrowing of the eyes and a twist of the mouth.
It's a bad habit of mine to make up words by incorrectly adding prefixes or suffixes (like en-). 8)
For a minute there, when i saw your post, I thought that it really was a word...
-J
I'm with you on that all the way. Nethack is still my favorite game.
But we mustn't forget the other interfaces available besides the Qt thingie.
http://www.pinn.net/~jry/allegrohack/ ... AllegroHack uses the Allegro libs to enslicken (shutup, that's a word :P) the graphical interface that us DOS users can use. If it works, it's awesome. ... Falcon's Eye is a really neat "isometric 3d" interface with mouse control and everything. Still in development, but cool nonetheless.
http://www.pinn.net/~jry/allegrohack/
The Nethack Site lets you set up a career ont heir server and then telnet in and play there, so that all the scores can be collected and people can compete against one another. Cute.
Also, there are many other Roguelikes out there... Rogue (the original roguelike, hehe), Angband, ADOM, etc.
I'm still partial to NetHack. I could list the reasons, but it's better if you play it for yourself and see.
Diablo is a roguelike, really, just shinier and with realtime action. Durn newfangled games.... ;)
-J
Ah, yes. I'm not sure I saw that at first, though I can see it now. Hmmm. That was a couple months ago for me, after all.
;)
Still, I think some of his ideas were still solidifying at that point. For instance, the whole Traveling thing... the way in which Lews Therin and Ishamael travel in the prologue of Eye is pretty different from the method used later inthe series... of course, there could be different ways of traveling, I suppose, but the Forsaken do it too.
Wow. How's that for offtopic?
-J
Disclaimer: my tastes are my own.
On a side note, doesn't this look like the sort of thing you always see on cheezy movies abiout the deep underground? Not so chessy after all, it seems.
Books too. Wat comes to my mind is Robert Jordan's The Eye of the World... there's that scene at the Eye when they descend into the cave that is sort of a focus for saidin, only not really (I think Jordan hadn't quite stabilized his ideas on how the Power worked, then)... and it was full of glowing crystals.
Crystal caves: they're not just for cheesy movies and old apogee games any more!
Actually, I bet if you could somehow light the crystals in the cave, it would look really cool. It would, however, be a different beauty from the natural one of the cave. Although, ocme ot think of it, without some sort o light, it wouldn't look like anything.
-J
I see your point there. To be honest, I can't remember why I put up with learning NetHack. But it came fairly quickly - I think maybe it was becuase I was really curious about how to play and win. And you know what? I don't know if I can go back. I love the complexity.
As to a use key... yeah, when I was toying with writing my own roguelike, I thought, "Damn, I'll make life easier for myself and the user if I have a generic use key." Although, strictly speaking, I'd have to write code to identify what kind of object it was and how to use it... but I digress.
Anyway, I guess Nethack is for some and not for others. Though it seems to be for less than it is not for. Wow, that's a complicated and poorly constructed sentence. You know what I mean.
-J
I don't know about anyone else, but I have spent more sleepless nights playing nethack then any other 3d rendered, first person shooter
Heh, me too. What a great game that is. I still haven't ascended (not even when i cheat!), but I'm working on it.
You're definitely right that NetHack is an example of OSS succeeding. On the other hand... Diablo seems to be much more popular, even though it's basically "shiny nethack" with animations and such, and even though Nethack is free. I'm not sure I could enjoy Diablo nearly as much as I enjoy NetHack, but that's just me. Now, why is Diablo more popular? I'm not sure. Maye it's that it's simpler; some people I try to introduce to nethack complain that they have to learn too many keys (uh...). Maybe it's the graphics; I geuss text mode or tile mode just isn't enough for the average short attention span. Maybe it's the advertising campaign. But do you think it's possible that whatever it is, it's a result of the big company behind the game?
I'm honestly not sure. I personally think that Nethack is a lot better than may other games out there. But it's clearly not as popular.
PS: yeah, "popular" is defined loosely here. sorry.
-J
under our favorite operating system
Palm OS ports?! Where? Excellent, lead me to 'em!
</sarcasm>
-J
I think that the fact that TMP was the dying twitch of the pilot for Phase II is significant to the quality of the movie. Things must have been kinda confused.
A couple years ago, in the midst of a hardcore trek phase, I got this book... "Star Trek Phase II." It talks all about the hypothetical series. Some of the concept art is really quite cool... and you can see where a lot of it got absorbed into FC and, significantly, Voyager. Also, they designed some sweet (and I rarely use that word) ships for the show. I understand some of the models showed up in the Wolf 359 "graveyard."
The book also has some synopses of initial episodes, and a script. Some of these were assimilated (excuse me) for TNG episodes.
Of course, there's some stuff I'm glad they ended up not using. Some pretty silly ideas. Bu the book is still mighty interesting.
Titles... "The Return?" "Voyager," maybe, though that would have given it away and would have been kinda ironic these decades later.
Random idea I just had: Phase II as a new series. Not entirely, of course, given the cirucsmtances, but... they still might be able to do something with it. On the other hand, it seems they've already used the best aspects of Phase II in the series and movies since.
-J
so hopefully I'll have time soon to try PocketLinux (which sadly lacks a calandering app)
Well... uh... I certainly hope that's in development.
Hmmm, I know that one of the most valuable parts of my Palm for me is the Datebook app... the point of a handheld at this point seems to be that it is an organizer. Now, I'm no fan of the PocketPC, but I'd rather use that than a handheld OS that lacks basic PDA functions.
I thnk that Palm may be the best handheld OS out there in terms of functioning as a basic PDA with a flexible platform. PocketPC is good for trying to squeeze a desktop into your pocket.
Now, I ask this question with total honesty and openness: Besides the "hey that was a cool accomplishment" factor, what is the point of having linux on a handheld?
-J
The next question is what distribution to use. Frankly, my only linux experience is through SSHing into the school server to do work on our online paper. Installation remains a mystery. This would be a learning experience. Suggestions?
(What I'd want to do is probably programming, maybe some simple gaming (nethack), and maybe word processing)
-J
Cripes. I think one problem is that this machine has so much... well, crap is the best word, on it. Norton System Doctor is the best of it, and that's broken somehow.
If I don't do the linux thing, I might just reinstall everything from the recovery CD. Of course, then I could install linux and go the dual-booting route.... except for the 1.5 gig HDD. Hm.
Anyway. You are more fortunate than I. I wonder if your frequency of use might affect it... also, do you put it in standby mode or just let it screensaver(verb?)?
-J
That reminds me....
So I've got an old Pentium 120 sitting in my bedroom. I use it mostly for word processing. Since it obvioulsy takes forever to boot, I like to keep it on (in standby mode) as much as possible. My experiment was to leave it running for several days, running two things: Word and NetHack. I wasn't even playing the NetHack much. Mostly, the thing just sat there in standby. I woke it up the other day to use it, and Word started randomly crashing on me. Just... freezing up and having to be terminated through "Close Program."
I'm really considering Linux for that machine....
-J
Ah, excellent! Now you Linux folks can play with Falcon's Eye, one of several spiffier-than-the-average-16x16-tiles interfaces being designed for that paragon of gaming, Nethack. ;-)
So guess what I've been playing recently...
-J
Hm, I'm in my first year of a real C++ course in high school, attempting to get a formal education in the language. I guess there must be a shortage of teachers, because the new guy they hired this year is almost totally incompetent. For one thing, what he seems to know is C, not C++, to the extent that when I pointed out we could just use a bool for one program which worked with (surprise) booleans, he was surprised that that was a valid type. Right now, we're learning from a book, with no instruction of any sort on secure code like that. That worries me.
Good thing I'm not really considering a career as a programmer...
-J
I've found those, too. Try some others... microsoft.com is pretty long. apple.com as well.
Some joker apparently figured out how to enter alternative domains, or something. I don't know the details. Hmmm...
-J
I just heard on NPR's hourly broadcast a tidbit about NASA's research into, among other things, escape systems for the shuttle. They also talked about it on Talk of the Nation five years ago. And while i'm doing the "karma-whore" thing, cnn.com has a piece about it.
In quasirelated news, that cargo ship docked with Mir, so we can now send it screaming to the ocean "between australia and south america." Greeeeat.
Anyway. Anyone got any info about these escape systems?
-J
Hey, I have an idea. Why don't we color the memory of this sad event with political commentary?
Wait, never mind...
</sarcasm>
-J
Maybe NetHack?
No, wait, stop laughing. I'd bet the the majority of college seniors now don't have nay experience with roguelike gaming; the closest "popular" game is Diablo (shiny nethack! with animation!), which differs from the average "real" roguelike in that it is more real-timeish and generally less convoluted.
Nethack has a nice blend of thinking and hack-and-slash violence. If you play it enough, you really have to start thinking and applying knowledge (do you know what amethyst means, and how amethyst stones interact with various potions? Hm? Do ya?).
Also, it's my favorite game. 8)
-J
Everyone and their evil twin (even myself) is commenting on the silliness of the "linux or native linux tools" thing, but another dimenion of it occurred to me:
What if I want to draw my logo, then scan it in and manipulate it on the 'puter? That requires, um, Linux paper, Linux pen[cil], Linux scanner, Linux cable...
You can bet your trousers the graphics for games on the Palm platform are not all made on Palm...
-J
Yeah, I think so... Looks like the linked-to piece has been run through the babelfish a time or two.
-J
Sounds like you might be into roguelike gaming, yes? Rogue, NetHack, Angband... "classic" gaming that's still modern and still good. I'm not sure why I'm posting this, except that a lot of the ideas you mentioned mirror my thoughts on computer gaming. And because of the "Red Warrior" thing, though I'm guessing that's not originally from NetHack...
-J
Insects for video games... decisions, decisions...
-J
It only takes time if you let it.
By, say, taping scrap metal to it or coating it in jam or something...
You make a good point. I think going to these lengths to make life difficult for junk mailers is kind of like letting a bully get a reaction out of you. It's best if you ignore it as much as you can.
-J