I've been running OS/2 for 10 yrs. So far I've had one virus, a boot sector virus that showed up in DOS sessions where it was pretty harmless and a fdisk/newmbr got rid of. Look at places like Secunia for security adviseries for OS/2 and you find one or two for Apache. In all these years I've installed one security update (PPP stack for a ping of death). IBM created a fairly secure OS, I'd imagine the fact that it ran so many banks etc would of made it a target. No services running by default. Horribly buggy sendmail thats too hard to configure to use. Straight netbios so home network is not routable. And I still find it much better then Windows and much simpler then Linux. I just wish that Linux would copy the WorkPlace shell instead of MSes copy of the WPS.
Actually I think its more likely that the Branson/Eton types stick up for each other and if there needs to be a fall guy it will be someone from out side of the old boys club. Your post seems to agree
Well your first thought was wrong. The DOJ first started investigating MS about their monopoly in the PC operating system market in 1991. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_antitrust_c ase as an example. Or just google Microsoft antitrust 1994. The first consent agreement was signed in 1994 with MS agreeing not to force manufactorers to include other MS products with Windows. This was the agreement that the later antitrust trial was about, MS tieing IE in with Windows. Remember back then how hard it was to buy a computer without a MS operating system? How manufactorers had to pay the MS tax even if they did include a non MS OS? Don't know why you were modded up so high unless it is because a lot of people here are to young to remember how hard it was to aquire a computer without DOS or Windows back then. MS has had a monopoly on PC OSes since damn near the beginning. I've even heard that MS set the price on the other available OSes back then. $50 for MS-DOS, $500 for CPM86 or USCD Pascal. Don't know whether it is true though. I do know that IBM went way over board in making sure that they were not breaking their consent agreement with the DOJ and gave MS way to much control.
I try to avoid pawn shops as so often the material there is stolen. eg young punk breaks into house, takes all DVDs etc and pawns them. True theft where someone is out of a physical thing
Funny enough I met my first Mormon missionary a couple of months ago. She had come from Taiwan to Vancouver, Canada to go door to door pushing Mormonism
Sounds much the same as my and my sons experience except he called my and I mom. At about 5 I tried presserising him to call me something other then mom and I became Ona. Now at 10 he still calls me Ona. Anyways the timing of his regression was right after his MMR and he didn't restart talking until almost 6. He was also very frustrated with not being able to talk and we even started him on sign language. In school they introduced paper icons for him to use for communication and eventually we cut out all diary products and he started talking. One thing I'd advise to anyone with an autistic child is to try removing all diary from his diet. I've also heard of good results with removing gluton though it is much harder. Even Apples have gluton on them in the wax.
Well for me the link was when my son had a MMR shot and stopped talking. His actions also changed a lot and eventually he was diagnosed with autism. There definately seemed to be a correlation. Interestingly my sons symptons are much the same as my own just more severe (officially I was diagnosed as oxygen starved at birth though I have an IQ in the high 140s. State of diagnoses in the late 60's) One other thing of interest is that my son started talking and mellowed out enourmously after cutting out all diary products from his diet. Even now it is quite obvious when he has had diary, I often surprise my wife by observing that he must of had a diary product that day and being right.
I have lots of stuff that would be embarrasing to me for others to hear etc. It is none of your business what my wife and myself talk about. Though not illegal (here) it is still very personal and none of your business.
I just never understood why the US insisted on electronic voting... We do it with plain pen & paper up here in Canada, and nobody screams "FRAUD" every election... Yea, I used to wonder the same thing. Then someone pointed out that in the US they vote once for everything. President to dogcatcher. So you have a ballot that is multipages long. Great way to obscurate who is running, I mean how can someone be up on the issues surrounding 40 different politicians? Anyways when I voted the other week here in BC there was two questions, MLA and whether to change the voting system to something more fair and the counting took much longer so imagine 40+ things on the ballot.
Actually I thought it was the developers. Why create 2 programs when 1 targeted at Win3.1 ran on both OS/2 and Windows. Wouldn't of been too bad accept MS went full out breaking winos2. They finally broke it by moving a bunch of DLLs above OS/2's 512 MB per process limit (at a time when most people had 4-8 MB) and forced people to install Windows to run the latest software.
Actually it was competition from IBM in the form of OS/2 that drove Win95 develepment. First time I ever booted up WIN95 it was like an OS/2 clone with a stupid start button and a task bar that was fine for a couple of apps but braindead if you really used your computer (days or weeks of uptime without hardly closing anything) Though it did have prettier icons and a better layout
Don't worry, here in BC the government and business keeps telling us that since wages are so low in the maritimes they should be the same here even though the cost of living is much higher. Oh and corp taxes have dropped lots along with wages.
I wish. The products I get from IBM are now produced in India. The quality has nosedived and the price has shot up. In my experience when a company saves money it goes to the executives and shareholders, not the customers or the workers. If large profits created cheaper software Windows would cost $20 instead of $200.
Actually global warming has been treating the wet coast quite good, kinda weird having droughts in the winter though. I live in the hills just out of Vancouver, used to get a few feet of snow. Last winter about 2 inches.
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The first version of Win95 didn't have IE at all. Floppies or CD. I have the CD around here. Another point is that even the name was sorta stolen. OS/2 came with WebExplorer, MS changed it slightly to Internet Explorer and included things like crap gopher support
IIRC, that OS came without HPFS at all, and booted over Windows.
No what it was that if you did the quick install you never got the choice of HPFS. OS/2 would install itself on C: (fat) and dualboot with DOS by changing around the boot files depending on which OS you were using. With a couple of minor changes win3.x would run under OS/2 just like under DOS. Interestingly winos2 would also run under dosemu under Linux etc.
And here I thought that those millions and millions they're paid was compensation for the lack of privacy and the fact that they are at work 24/7. Guess I was wrong, they're just 9-5ers like the rest of us, they just get paid 1000 times more
No,NT was to be the next version of OS/2 written by a bunch of smart engineers who came from DEC who had made VMS. Note that NT ran os/2 binaries up until XP (search the registry for OS2 or LIBPATH). Also NTFS uses the OS/2 installable file system partition ID.
HPFS.IFS was written by IBM. HPFS386.IFS was written by MS. E:\OS2>bldlevel hpfs.ifs Build Level Display Facility Version 6.10.480 Oct 6 2000 (C) Copyright IBM Corporation 1993-2000 Signature: @#IBM:14.083#@ HPFS Installable File System for OS/2 Vendor: IBM Revision: 14.83 File Version: 14.83 Description: HPFS Installable File System for OS/2
The story I heard was that when IBM and Microsoft decided to build the next generation HD filesystem they agreed on the specs then each went of wrote their own file system. Then they sat down and compared them. Microsofts was much faster so they used that. Then it turned out that MS broke the specs, namely it was sopposed to be written in C and run on a 286. IBM then had to rewrite HPFS. HPFS is 16 bit and is limited to a 2 MB cache HPFS386 had no memory limit (besides OS limits) for cache and was much faster. MS still licenses HPFS386 for about $1000 a license. IBM eventually ported JFS to OS/2 to get around the need for HPFS386 on Warp Server. HPFS386 supports ACLs unlike HPFS
There were 2 versions of OS/2 ver 3. Way back during ver 1.x days IBM was developing ver 2 and MS was developing ver 3 NT. When the split happened MS took ver 3 NT changed it to Win NT ver 3.1. IBMs ver 3 is really just an updated ver 2. At that ver 4.5 that I'm writing this under is also ver 2.45 E:\OS2>uname -a OS/2 amad.localdomain 2 2.45 i386
Mid 90's IBM was selling OS/2 Warp v3 for Windows (you needed your own copy of Win 3.1) for $50cdn. Also they gave out copies of 2.11 for Windows for the price of postage in places like Byte. I think you are thinking of Winos2 that cost. Of course HPFS386 costs about $1000 from MS
Sopposed to just fly. IBM only came out with a Kernel that will install on a AMD64 last month, before you had to install on a different machine and move the install.
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Most of them updated to ver 4 for Y2K. Some even upgraded to NT as NT (at least till Win2k) still runs text mode 16 bit OS/2 fine
I've been running OS/2 for 10 yrs. So far I've had one virus, a boot sector virus that showed up in DOS sessions where it was pretty harmless and a fdisk /newmbr got rid of. Look at places like Secunia for security adviseries for OS/2 and you find one or two for Apache. In all these years I've installed one security update (PPP stack for a ping of death).
IBM created a fairly secure OS, I'd imagine the fact that it ran so many banks etc would of made it a target.
No services running by default. Horribly buggy sendmail thats too hard to configure to use. Straight netbios so home network is not routable.
And I still find it much better then Windows and much simpler then Linux. I just wish that Linux would copy the WorkPlace shell instead of MSes copy of the WPS.
Actually I think its more likely that the Branson/Eton types stick up for each other and if there needs to be a fall guy it will be someone from out side of the old boys club. Your post seems to agree
Well your first thought was wrong. The DOJ first started investigating MS about their monopoly in the PC operating system market in 1991. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_antitrust_c ase as an example. Or just google Microsoft antitrust 1994. The first consent agreement was signed in 1994 with MS agreeing not to force manufactorers to include other MS products with Windows. This was the agreement that the later antitrust trial was about, MS tieing IE in with Windows.
Remember back then how hard it was to buy a computer without a MS operating system? How manufactorers had to pay the MS tax even if they did include a non MS OS?
Don't know why you were modded up so high unless it is because a lot of people here are to young to remember how hard it was to aquire a computer without DOS or Windows back then.
MS has had a monopoly on PC OSes since damn near the beginning. I've even heard that MS set the price on the other available OSes back then. $50 for MS-DOS, $500 for CPM86 or USCD Pascal. Don't know whether it is true though.
I do know that IBM went way over board in making sure that they were not breaking their consent agreement with the DOJ and gave MS way to much control.
I try to avoid pawn shops as so often the material there is stolen. eg young punk breaks into house, takes all DVDs etc and pawns them. True theft where someone is out of a physical thing
Funny enough I met my first Mormon missionary a couple of months ago. She had come from Taiwan to Vancouver, Canada to go door to door pushing Mormonism
Sounds much the same as my and my sons experience except he called my and I mom. At about 5 I tried presserising him to call me something other then mom and I became Ona. Now at 10 he still calls me Ona.
Anyways the timing of his regression was right after his MMR and he didn't restart talking until almost 6.
He was also very frustrated with not being able to talk and we even started him on sign language. In school they introduced paper icons for him to use for communication and eventually we cut out all diary products and he started talking.
One thing I'd advise to anyone with an autistic child is to try removing all diary from his diet.
I've also heard of good results with removing gluton though it is much harder. Even Apples have gluton on them in the wax.
Well for me the link was when my son had a MMR shot and stopped talking. His actions also changed a lot and eventually he was diagnosed with autism. There definately seemed to be a correlation.
Interestingly my sons symptons are much the same as my own just more severe (officially I was diagnosed as oxygen starved at birth though I have an IQ in the high 140s. State of diagnoses in the late 60's)
One other thing of interest is that my son started talking and mellowed out enourmously after cutting out all diary products from his diet. Even now it is quite obvious when he has had diary, I often surprise my wife by observing that he must of had a diary product that day and being right.
I have lots of stuff that would be embarrasing to me for others to hear etc. It is none of your business what my wife and myself talk about. Though not illegal (here) it is still very personal and none of your business.
I just never understood why the US insisted on electronic voting... We do it with plain pen & paper up here in Canada, and nobody screams "FRAUD" every election...
Yea, I used to wonder the same thing. Then someone pointed out that in the US they vote once for everything. President to dogcatcher. So you have a ballot that is multipages long. Great way to obscurate who is running, I mean how can someone be up on the issues surrounding 40 different politicians?
Anyways when I voted the other week here in BC there was two questions, MLA and whether to change the voting system to something more fair and the counting took much longer so imagine 40+ things on the ballot.
Actually I thought it was the developers. Why create 2 programs when 1 targeted at Win3.1 ran on both OS/2 and Windows.
Wouldn't of been too bad accept MS went full out breaking winos2. They finally broke it by moving a bunch of DLLs above OS/2's 512 MB per process limit (at a time when most people had 4-8 MB) and forced people to install Windows to run the latest software.
Actually it was competition from IBM in the form of OS/2 that drove Win95 develepment. First time I ever booted up WIN95 it was like an OS/2 clone with a stupid start button and a task bar that was fine for a couple of apps but braindead if you really used your computer (days or weeks of uptime without hardly closing anything)
Though it did have prettier icons and a better layout
Don't worry, here in BC the government and business keeps telling us that since wages are so low in the maritimes they should be the same here even though the cost of living is much higher.
Oh and corp taxes have dropped lots along with wages.
I wish. The products I get from IBM are now produced in India. The quality has nosedived and the price has shot up. In my experience when a company saves money it goes to the executives and shareholders, not the customers or the workers. If large profits created cheaper software Windows would cost $20 instead of $200.
Actually global warming has been treating the wet coast quite good, kinda weird having droughts in the winter though.
I live in the hills just out of Vancouver, used to get a few feet of snow. Last winter about 2 inches.
The first version of Win95 didn't have IE at all. Floppies or CD. I have the CD around here.
Another point is that even the name was sorta stolen. OS/2 came with WebExplorer, MS changed it slightly to Internet Explorer and included things like crap gopher support
IIRC, that OS came without HPFS at all, and booted over Windows.
No what it was that if you did the quick install you never got the choice of HPFS. OS/2 would install itself on C: (fat) and dualboot with DOS by changing around the boot files depending on which OS you were using. With a couple of minor changes win3.x would run under OS/2 just like under DOS.
Interestingly winos2 would also run under dosemu under Linux etc.
And here I thought that those millions and millions they're paid was compensation for the lack of privacy and the fact that they are at work 24/7. Guess I was wrong, they're just 9-5ers like the rest of us, they just get paid 1000 times more
No,NT was to be the next version of OS/2 written by a bunch of smart engineers who came from DEC who had made VMS.
Note that NT ran os/2 binaries up until XP (search the registry for OS2 or LIBPATH). Also NTFS uses the OS/2 installable file system partition ID.
HPFS.IFS was written by IBM. HPFS386.IFS was written by MS.
E:\OS2>bldlevel hpfs.ifs
Build Level Display Facility Version 6.10.480 Oct 6 2000
(C) Copyright IBM Corporation 1993-2000
Signature: @#IBM:14.083#@ HPFS Installable File System for OS/2
Vendor: IBM
Revision: 14.83
File Version: 14.83
Description: HPFS Installable File System for OS/2
The story I heard was that when IBM and Microsoft decided to build the next generation HD filesystem they agreed on the specs then each went of wrote their own file system. Then they sat down and compared them. Microsofts was much faster so they used that.
Then it turned out that MS broke the specs, namely it was sopposed to be written in C and run on a 286. IBM then had to rewrite HPFS.
HPFS is 16 bit and is limited to a 2 MB cache
HPFS386 had no memory limit (besides OS limits) for cache and was much faster. MS still licenses HPFS386 for about $1000 a license.
IBM eventually ported JFS to OS/2 to get around the need for HPFS386 on Warp Server. HPFS386 supports ACLs unlike HPFS
There were 2 versions of OS/2 ver 3. Way back during ver 1.x days IBM was developing ver 2 and MS was developing ver 3 NT. When the split happened MS took ver 3 NT changed it to Win NT ver 3.1.
IBMs ver 3 is really just an updated ver 2. At that ver 4.5 that I'm writing this under is also ver 2.45
E:\OS2>uname -a
OS/2 amad.localdomain 2 2.45 i386
Mid 90's IBM was selling OS/2 Warp v3 for Windows (you needed your own copy of Win 3.1) for $50cdn. Also they gave out copies of 2.11 for Windows for the price of postage in places like Byte.
I think you are thinking of Winos2 that cost.
Of course HPFS386 costs about $1000 from MS
They crosslicensed upto WIN ver 4. Win95 was ver 4.095 so not crosslicensed
Sopposed to just fly. IBM only came out with a Kernel that will install on a AMD64 last month, before you had to install on a different machine and move the install.
Yesterday at 09:55:52 I was number 115. Glad to see it soaring today.