Actually retrying with plain PPP it connected fine. Just doesn't like my firewall. Slashdot is the same, unless I connect with plain PPP to post a comment I can't reconnect for about 12 hrs though shit.slashdot.org still works. And no OS/2 reg #
People who purchase Windows expect certain features in a modern OS, such as web browsing, video editing, photo manipulation, multimedia playback, etc.-- why is it wrong for Microsoft to include these features in an OS _they_ made and sold?
Nothing wrong with adding certain features in the OS they sell. The problem is that they don't publish the specs. I don't use Windows and continuesly come across content which I can not display, play, or even read. If they want to be the standard then they should publish their standards instead of makeing it so I can't do anything without purchasing Windows. They want to include a browser, then follow the standards or publish their changes. They want to bundle a media player, then use standard file types or/and publish the specs on WMF so others can write their own media player. Why should I have to use what to me is a substandard OS just to view web pages? Or hear content?
OS/2 still works this way, newest mini-filesystem is for JFS. There are also mini-filesytems floating around for ext2, HPFS of course and also for network booting. Fat doesn't need one. I've moved my OS/2 installation quite a few times and it just works usually (once had to run sysinstx). Just today I updated my os2krnl,and os2ldr, rebooted and away it went.
I still use OS/2 bootmanager, works great to boot most everything I've tried. Nowadays it uses closer to 8 MB partition (one cylinder). For Linux it is just a matter of installing LILO or Grub in the Linux Partition. Windows of course wants to use ntloader in C: to finish the boot. It does have some occasional problems nowadays with losing the INT13x extensions to boot a partition past the 8.4 GB mark or whatever it is. Also does not support booting a cdrom. Also Win2k totally fscked it up (fixed in service pak 1, you'd think MS would do at least a bit of testing) I find most of these other boot loaders to be to complex, LILO is too easily broken and Grub has a pretty steep learnng curve for a regular user.
My understanding is that in places like Iraq, Afganistan, and most of the middle east the citizens possess lots of weapons. Yet they have all had their share of dictators and invaders.
Our Supreme Court seems to think that the right to unreasonable search etc is actually a right to privacy. I'd guess that the Supreme Court would throw this law out on that basis
Of course the other obvious question is how many people have Firefox without DLing it from Mozilla.org? I personally have 6 copies here of which I've only DLed one from Mozilla.org. Some came with Ubuntu and updates came from their site. My Debian version came from debian.org. My 3 OS/2 versions were built here and my windows version started out from a CD but was updated from mozilla.org. Meanwhile I seldom run Firefox. I find Seamonkey meets my needs much better and at least here it is faster.
About half the Linux dists I've installed have ignored the fact that my MBR points to IBM Bootmanager as the boot partition, others usually installed it in the LILO boot list as its partition name. Bootmanager was very common, being required to boot OS/2 on any partition other then C: and was also included in quite a few of the eary editions of Partition Magic. Ubuntu was the last dist I installed and I had to learn grub (yet another way to refer to partitions) to get my IBM Bootmanager added to the menu
Interesting that they consider Windows 2k to be early NT. Win2k also trounced the OS/2 bootmanager, and not just during installation but every time it ran. Changing a byte or 2 in bootmanager stopped this and MS fixed the problem in SP1. At that every version of Windows I've installed (win98 was the last) announced that I had OS/2 on my computer and would never be able to use it again. This was easily fixed by using fdisk to reset bootmanager as the bootable partition. Win95 (at least the first one) also installed fine without a serial code if it found OS/2 on the harddrive. I was quite surprised when it would not install on a blank HD without a serial number.
8-tracks were always stereo. Actually some were quad. I remember a friend having a quad version of Dark Side of the Moon on 8 track. Sounded excellent.
I hate Telus and use a different provider. My ISP leases lines from Telus and surprise, I can't access the site either. They do have close to a monopoly in areas without cable access and especially here where even the satelites are blocked by big mountains. BC is quite large and mostly rural with Telus owning most of the infrastructure. They inherited the infrastructure from BC Tel when it was privatized
They don't have a common codebase as OS/2 NT ver 3 was a complete rewrite of the OS/2 kernel which was also meant to run other systems. They actually have quite a bit in common, such as the threading model. MS did have the Presentation Manager running fine on NT just in case they lost the OS wars and the version of win2k I have here does have doscalls.dll which is a fork from the OS/2 doscalls.dll. Also the Win API is a lot closer to the OS/2 Presentation Manager API then most anything else. Biggest difference being where 0,0 is located.
Remember the marketing A better Dos then Dos A better Windows then Windows A better Linux then Linux
There are a lot of open source programs that run fine on OS/2 and most all others can be compiled for OS/2. Its true that we only have GCC 3.3.5, and the libc is based on old FreeBSD 5.3 and we haven't moved to X.org yet, just old XFree86 ver 4.5. And Odin needs to be resynced with the newest Wine. No the main problem with OS/2 is the lack of developers.
The biggest problem is the fact that MS has a lot of copyrights in the code. And Bill Gates biggest nightmare over the years has been OS/2. As good as Linux has become OS/2 is still Windows biggest threat. Imagine if OS/2 got some intensive development though it may well finally be to far behind to catch up. I personally think that if anything was opensourced it would be the PPC version of OS/2. Complete rewrite in C (the OS/2 kernel has lots of i386 and even i286 assembly) without MS hands in it. Even now it would most likely be not very hard to get it to boot on a PREP platform, perhaps even a power Mac. IBM is now saying that if you want to continue running OS/2 that you should do it on a virtual machine.
Yes I liked OpenStep, used it for a while. I think the real problem is I've just gotten to old to be tweeking Linux all the time due to things being upgraded and changing. Booted to my debian partition the other day just to be reminded that PPP got broken somewhere, most likely when recompiling the kernel so it would see all 80 GB of my HD which I had to jumper to 32 GB to stop my BIOS from crashing. OS/2 just saw my 80 GBs and a simple xcopy moved it over and away I went.\ I do have the source for OpenStep here, have to revisit it and see if it will compile but mostly I've just been using blackbox (on OS/2)
Well I have f:\usr, g:\usr, and I:\usr all symlinked to x:\usr with varying orders (via scripts) which one will come first in the search order. Try symlinking 2 directories to one in Linux and vary which comes first in the search order
MS really did go out of their way to make OS/2 look broken and a good example was always forcing OS/2 to use 8.3 names over the network. Lots of people honestly believed this was OS/2s fault when it was really MS playing dirty. And people wonder why I hate MS
Actually OS/2 runs quite a few Windows apps thru Odin (think Wine) and NT (upto win2k at least) still has OS/2 1.x compatibility. Look in system32 for doscalls.dll and os2.exe
I use it as my home desktop. It just works and has for close to 10 yrs. I've tried migrating to Linux quite a few times but it easier just to compile everything to run on OS/2 and I've yet to find anything that even comes close to the WorkPlace Shell. OS/2 has had X for over 10 yrs and all the Gnu stuff as well. Since all the fanatics went to Linux the community is also very good. It is also nice not worrying about security updates, viruses and spyware though I do have to update things like zlib now and again
This is why I still use OS/2. Windows is like a pale imitation of OS/2 (with prettier icons and stuff) and most of the Linux desktops about the same. And now someone is adding a bunch of WPS enhancements to Mozilla and family, nice
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Actually retrying with plain PPP it connected fine. Just doesn't like my firewall. Slashdot is the same, unless I connect with plain PPP to post a comment I can't reconnect for about 12 hrs though shit.slashdot.org still works.
And no OS/2 reg #
Actually my OS/2 version (5.12) wouldn't even load the page. Quite strange
People who purchase Windows expect certain features in a modern OS, such as web browsing, video editing, photo manipulation, multimedia playback, etc.-- why is it wrong for Microsoft to include these features in an OS _they_ made and sold?
Nothing wrong with adding certain features in the OS they sell. The problem is that they don't publish the specs. I don't use Windows and continuesly come across content which I can not display, play, or even read.
If they want to be the standard then they should publish their standards instead of makeing it so I can't do anything without purchasing Windows.
They want to include a browser, then follow the standards or publish their changes.
They want to bundle a media player, then use standard file types or/and publish the specs on WMF so others can write their own media player.
Why should I have to use what to me is a substandard OS just to view web pages? Or hear content?
OS/2 still works this way, newest mini-filesystem is for JFS. There are also mini-filesytems floating around for ext2, HPFS of course and also for network booting. Fat doesn't need one.
I've moved my OS/2 installation quite a few times and it just works usually (once had to run sysinstx).
Just today I updated my os2krnl,and os2ldr, rebooted and away it went.
I still use OS/2 bootmanager, works great to boot most everything I've tried. Nowadays it uses closer to 8 MB partition (one cylinder). For Linux it is just a matter of installing LILO or Grub in the Linux Partition. Windows of course wants to use ntloader in C: to finish the boot. It does have some occasional problems nowadays with losing the INT13x extensions to boot a partition past the 8.4 GB mark or whatever it is. Also does not support booting a cdrom.
Also Win2k totally fscked it up (fixed in service pak 1, you'd think MS would do at least a bit of testing)
I find most of these other boot loaders to be to complex, LILO is too easily broken and Grub has a pretty steep learnng curve for a regular user.
My understanding is that in places like Iraq, Afganistan, and most of the middle east the citizens possess lots of weapons. Yet they have all had their share of dictators and invaders.
Our Supreme Court seems to think that the right to unreasonable search etc is actually a right to privacy.
I'd guess that the Supreme Court would throw this law out on that basis
Of course the other obvious question is how many people have Firefox without DLing it from Mozilla.org?
I personally have 6 copies here of which I've only DLed one from Mozilla.org. Some came with Ubuntu and updates came from their site. My Debian version came from debian.org. My 3 OS/2 versions were built here and my windows version started out from a CD but was updated from mozilla.org.
Meanwhile I seldom run Firefox. I find Seamonkey meets my needs much better and at least here it is faster.
About half the Linux dists I've installed have ignored the fact that my MBR points to IBM Bootmanager as the boot partition, others usually installed it in the LILO boot list as its partition name.
Bootmanager was very common, being required to boot OS/2 on any partition other then C: and was also included in quite a few of the eary editions of Partition Magic.
Ubuntu was the last dist I installed and I had to learn grub (yet another way to refer to partitions) to get my IBM Bootmanager added to the menu
Interesting that they consider Windows 2k to be early NT. Win2k also trounced the OS/2 bootmanager, and not just during installation but every time it ran. Changing a byte or 2 in bootmanager stopped this and MS fixed the problem in SP1.
At that every version of Windows I've installed (win98 was the last) announced that I had OS/2 on my computer and would never be able to use it again. This was easily fixed by using fdisk to reset bootmanager as the bootable partition.
Win95 (at least the first one) also installed fine without a serial code if it found OS/2 on the harddrive. I was quite surprised when it would not install on a blank HD without a serial number.
8-tracks were always stereo.
Actually some were quad. I remember a friend having a quad version of Dark Side of the Moon on 8 track. Sounded excellent.
Thats only half the story. The other half was BC Tel which also laid most of their infrastructure using tax dollars.
I hate Telus and use a different provider. My ISP leases lines from Telus and surprise, I can't access the site either. They do have close to a monopoly in areas without cable access and especially here where even the satelites are blocked by big mountains.
BC is quite large and mostly rural with Telus owning most of the infrastructure. They inherited the infrastructure from BC Tel when it was privatized
They don't have a common codebase as OS/2 NT ver 3 was a complete rewrite of the OS/2 kernel which was also meant to run other systems. They actually have quite a bit in common, such as the threading model. MS did have the Presentation Manager running fine on NT just in case they lost the OS wars and the version of win2k I have here does have doscalls.dll which is a fork from the OS/2 doscalls.dll.
Also the Win API is a lot closer to the OS/2 Presentation Manager API then most anything else. Biggest difference being where 0,0 is located.
Remember the marketing
A better Dos then Dos
A better Windows then Windows
A better Linux then Linux
There are a lot of open source programs that run fine on OS/2 and most all others can be compiled for OS/2.
Its true that we only have GCC 3.3.5, and the libc is based on old FreeBSD 5.3 and we haven't moved to X.org yet, just old XFree86 ver 4.5.
And Odin needs to be resynced with the newest Wine.
No the main problem with OS/2 is the lack of developers.
The biggest problem is the fact that MS has a lot of copyrights in the code. And Bill Gates biggest nightmare over the years has been OS/2. As good as Linux has become OS/2 is still Windows biggest threat. Imagine if OS/2 got some intensive development though it may well finally be to far behind to catch up.
I personally think that if anything was opensourced it would be the PPC version of OS/2. Complete rewrite in C (the OS/2 kernel has lots of i386 and even i286 assembly) without MS hands in it. Even now it would most likely be not very hard to get it to boot on a PREP platform, perhaps even a power Mac.
IBM is now saying that if you want to continue running OS/2 that you should do it on a virtual machine.
Yes I liked OpenStep, used it for a while. I think the real problem is I've just gotten to old to be tweeking Linux all the time due to things being upgraded and changing.
Booted to my debian partition the other day just to be reminded that PPP got broken somewhere, most likely when recompiling the kernel so it would see all 80 GB of my HD which I had to jumper to 32 GB to stop my BIOS from crashing. OS/2 just saw my 80 GBs and a simple xcopy moved it over and away I went.\
I do have the source for OpenStep here, have to revisit it and see if it will compile but mostly I've just been using blackbox (on OS/2)
Well I have f:\usr, g:\usr, and I:\usr all symlinked to x:\usr with varying orders (via scripts) which one will come first in the search order. Try symlinking 2 directories to one in Linux and vary which comes first in the search order
MS really did go out of their way to make OS/2 look broken and a good example was always forcing OS/2 to use 8.3 names over the network. Lots of people honestly believed this was OS/2s fault when it was really MS playing dirty. And people wonder why I hate MS
Sure, I'm reading this on Seamonkey {build ID 2005071308} on OS/2 right now. Built Deer Park right after as well.
Actually OS/2 runs quite a few Windows apps thru Odin (think Wine) and NT (upto win2k at least) still has OS/2 1.x compatibility. Look in system32 for doscalls.dll and os2.exe
And it was the only thing here that really failed W2K. Nothing like posting messages from the 3900s.
Anyways thanx for pronews, love it
I use it as my home desktop. It just works and has for close to 10 yrs. I've tried migrating to Linux quite a few times but it easier just to compile everything to run on OS/2 and I've yet to find anything that even comes close to the WorkPlace Shell. OS/2 has had X for over 10 yrs and all the Gnu stuff as well. Since all the fanatics went to Linux the community is also very good.
It is also nice not worrying about security updates, viruses and spyware though I do have to update things like zlib now and again
This is why I still use OS/2. Windows is like a pale imitation of OS/2 (with prettier icons and stuff) and most of the Linux desktops about the same. And now someone is adding a bunch of WPS enhancements to Mozilla and family, nice
Actually an IBM guy unofficialy said about 10 million users last year. Sun figured 20 million (they're targeting their Java desktop at them)