The funny thing is I used to work for a company that still used these with all their computers, which were IBMs still running OS/2! To make it even crazier, they still use them to this day and have no plans on changing anytime soon. I wonder how long it will be before they can't find any replacement parts, they used to replace quite a few motherboards on a monthly basis (they were used pretty much 24/7)
Why wouldn't they be able to find replacement parts? Newer versions of OS/2 eg 4.52 install fine on new hardware. Have to be a bit picky if you want sound but everything else should work fine.
Oh to keep on topic I'm still using my Proaudio 16 sound card which has to be over 10 years old now
Dave, who is currently running Mozilla Firebird on OS/2 ver 4.5
And it still won't be Longhorn, though MS will claim it is.
Remember what was promised for Win95(32 bit, NT kernel based) and wasn't delivered till XP.
Dave
For the Americans reading this, the BC Liberals are to the left of every state you have. Calling them "incredibly right wing" is like calling North Korea a triumph of the market system.
Huh, their basic platform is very right wing. Tax cuts for the rich, sell off our infrastructure to corperations based in Bermuda, promise open government but don't do it. Promise less spending while jacking up the debt to record levels. Bitch whenever the opposition did something criminal then when the Premier gets charged with drunken driving in Hawaii say it was just a small lapse in judgement.
They did win a massive majority, actually the NDP was soundly rejected, but in the election before last they were honest about their intentions and managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. If people didn't have such short memories and/or had more choice they would never of got in.
They took over from the NDP, who are like your Green party, winning the province with a 73-2 majority (2 seats since lost to infighting).
The NDP don't have there 2 seats anymore? guess I'm outa touch. Of course how many recalls against the liberals have almost succeeded despite the recall law being next to impossible to actually recall someone.
Dave
Not to be anal, but there is a law that says you must produce 2 pieces of ID when asked
Not in Canada, only time you legally have to show ID is if you are driving. Of course the cops can harrass you if you refuse to show ID and good luck doing anything about it. The Vancouver police investigate themselves when you lodge a complaint.
Dave
I wonder if MSFT deliberately implemented the "feature" of not recognizing any non-MSFT OS on your harddrive, so that in order to dual-boot you need to make sure you install Windows _before_ you install Linux, etc.
Huh? MSFT has always recognoized my non-MSFT OS. At that Windows has always nicely informed me that my OS/2 will no longer work and thats that. (of course 2 minutes with fdisk corrects this). At that Win95 upon seeing my non-MSFT OS was nice enough to install without a serial number.
Newer versions of Windows also recognized my non-MSFT OS and were nice enough to change the partitions (especially the extended partition) type to one that my non-MSFT OS didn't see.
Dave
We'll ignore the fact that on the same day, Gates donated $168 million to fund malaria research, but funnily enough, I doubt we'll see that reported here.
Much more likely that his wife browbeat him into doing it. Gates didn't donate money for medical research until he got married (engaged?).
Dave
LOL. That's funny. How do you explain the push for $500 levies on hard drives? Yea, keep burning mp3's, you won't be able afford the media or HD's.
There are some pretty big loopholes, eg put some music on the storage device before selling it. I'm sure there are lots of independent small bands that would donate music.
Dave
Sorry for the OT post, but I wish to `correct' the previous poster's comment:
From US history, it seems that the campaign against marijuana was not due to economic reasons (nobody important was making or losing large amount of money with it) but due to the perception that marijuana was associated with a specific racial group (African Americans) and that it had a tendency to drive people to commit violent crimes.
So, blame lack of knowledge and racism for the ban against marijuana, not dark economic conspiracies.
( Incidentally, I believe I remember reading about how marijuana was legal during prohibition, oddly enough. )
Actually after prohibition there was a lot of G-Men unemployed who needed a new vice to attack.
Also hemp was being used in new industrial processes eg hemp paper which threatened a certain newspaper tycoon who had invested in cheap (wood) pulp paper.
"it starts with wanting to own the entire computer industry and crushing every competitor to dust through unfair competition and sleazy tricks. "
And, as a fallback plan, they make products people want.
Yes thats the really sad thing. MS most likely could of won the desktop (and office suite) wars without any dirty tricks as they do understand what users want.
But the fact is that they did a lot of anti-competive acts and having a good product (now) doesn't excuse the shit they've done
Dave
IE is fast on a 233MHz P-II. Mozilla is "fast" on a 1GHz box. IE crashes about once a day. Mozilla crashes about once a day.
What crappy OS are you running? I have IE (5.5) running on a P200 (win95) and it is slow And I have Mozilla 1.3 running on a P300 (OS/2 ver4.5) and it is fast. I'm very happy with Mozilla as long as it has enough memory and very unhappy with IE 5.5 as it is so slow
I own at least one Arista recording, a cassette (prerecorded) of the Kinks (greatest hits) which I bought many years ago. This recording is crap( no highs, muddied bass, not even a blank leadin at the beginning of the tape), at that it is so crappy that I have made an effort since then to never buy another Arista recording. Dave
by Anonymous Coward on 04:41 PM March 21st, 2003 (#5571085)
Yeah, but we don't kill our own people. We have had them for years. We don't poliferate the WMDs, we are in the process of taking them apart. Your argument is old and has been beaten down. Your score = (-1)
Well you sure got a lot of your people sick while experimenting with using depleted uranium in a battle field, but I guess uranium isn't a WMD.
Dave
1 Saddam Hussein on a regular basis commits acts that are considered Attrocities.
2 He remained in power only by brutally repressing anyone who stood up to him or stood against him.
3 He has demonstrated conclusively that he never had intentions to limit the scope of these activities to Iraq.
If you find this insufficient reason to remove him from power, I would suggest relocating to France.
Well i'd agree that this may be a good reason to remove him the problem I have is that you (Americans) guys run around the world appointing these guys. Seems even Saddam was extensively helped by the USA and I can't count how many crackpot dictators the Americans have helped into power and supported. This is like the kettle calling the pot black. Shit your country has more cops and more people in prison then any other country (percentage wise) and most of them are in jail for political purposes (War on freedom to self-medication)
Dave
ps Wasn't it France who helped you guys when you revolted?
Yeah, except in this case, the cost is zero. How are you hurt? Lets say MS has a monopoly on the browser market. If MS is an abusive monopoly (one that is hurting consumers), they should be charging an exhorbinant price for IE. They aren't. They currently charge $0 for IE.
Huh? I've priced out IE, it's like $200. Sure they throw in a piece of crap OS with it but I don't want the OS.
This is also the problem with Windows Media Player, why should I have to put out hundereds of dollars because MS has leveraged their monopoly so media only comes in their formats?
If you're in Canada, then you can get satellite. (That is, unless you're on the wrong side of an apartment building. But if it's an apartment, you'd probably have better than 26.4.)
No, more like the wrong side of a mountain. Lots of mountains here in BC
Living in rural canada stinks. I would be surprised if anyone reading this has a worse situation than the one at my home: We have a single 28.8K dialup line shared over a LAN with six machines. There is no 56K available due to damn long phone loops. No broadband to speak of.
God to actually get 28.8K, I'm lucky here to get 26.4 . I remember back in the BBS days only being able to connect at 12000 (14.4 modem) to one BBS.
Still the CBC gives us the choice of having the TV on or off, no need to change channels
I am sorry when was that? i never even saw OS/2 on any desktop computer!!!
OS/2 was never a desktop OS and never had a marketshare there. It came bundled with ps/2s' and that's all it ever got.
What really killed OS/2 is that you couldn't get it for free.
i've been around computers for 1 1/2 decades, and i NEVER saw anything open loosing against anything closed. I could get a windows 95 cd anytime but i couldn't find an OS/2 cd before warp.
Huh? IIRC I got a copy of OS/2 2.11 for the price of a stamp (maybe a couple of bucks for shipping) just by filling out a form in Byte or somesuch and I'm still using OS/2 (now ver 4.5). Windows seem like crap everytime I use it and Linux I've given up on as it becomes slower and more Win like. Its easy enough to recompile *nix programs I want or run them over X
I, for one, would love to see a feature like this in a mail program!
Actually, I'd like to participate in the development of an existing open source email app if someone could recommend one. Java based would be nice
Checkout the polarbar mailer (www.polarbar.org). Opensource, written in Java.
Dave
It must be able to encrypt the contents of the drive, and only allow trusted applications to access protected data, and only allow trusted applications to access the 'trusted' part of memory
So no one can take your drive and read it? This is going to make law enforcement people happy. Seems to me there is going to have to be a backdoor into the system incase a terrorist uses palladium and the department of homeland security wants to read the drive without the computer Dave
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Of course the first thing MicroSoft dropped with VPC was the OS/2 support. Gates is still scared of OS/2
Dave
Why wouldn't they be able to find replacement parts? Newer versions of OS/2 eg 4.52 install fine on new hardware. Have to be a bit picky if you want sound but everything else should work fine.
Oh to keep on topic I'm still using my Proaudio 16 sound card which has to be over 10 years old now
Dave, who is currently running Mozilla Firebird on OS/2 ver 4.5
And it still won't be Longhorn, though MS will claim it is. Remember what was promised for Win95(32 bit, NT kernel based) and wasn't delivered till XP.
Dave
Huh, their basic platform is very right wing. Tax cuts for the rich, sell off our infrastructure to corperations based in Bermuda, promise open government but don't do it. Promise less spending while jacking up the debt to record levels. Bitch whenever the opposition did something criminal then when the Premier gets charged with drunken driving in Hawaii say it was just a small lapse in judgement.
They did win a massive majority, actually the NDP was soundly rejected, but in the election before last they were honest about their intentions and managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. If people didn't have such short memories and/or had more choice they would never of got in.
They took over from the NDP, who are like your Green party, winning the province with a 73-2 majority (2 seats since lost to infighting).
The NDP don't have there 2 seats anymore? guess I'm outa touch. Of course how many recalls against the liberals have almost succeeded despite the recall law being next to impossible to actually recall someone.
Dave
Not in Canada, only time you legally have to show ID is if you are driving. Of course the cops can harrass you if you refuse to show ID and good luck doing anything about it. The Vancouver police investigate themselves when you lodge a complaint.
Dave
Huh? MSFT has always recognoized my non-MSFT OS. At that Windows has always nicely informed me that my OS/2 will no longer work and thats that. (of course 2 minutes with fdisk corrects this). At that Win95 upon seeing my non-MSFT OS was nice enough to install without a serial number.
Newer versions of Windows also recognized my non-MSFT OS and were nice enough to change the partitions (especially the extended partition) type to one that my non-MSFT OS didn't see.
Dave
Much more likely that his wife browbeat him into doing it. Gates didn't donate money for medical research until he got married (engaged?).
Dave
There are some pretty big loopholes, eg put some music on the storage device before selling it. I'm sure there are lots of independent small bands that would donate music.
Dave
How about if you don't want to support the organized criminals who control a lot of the production so you grow a years supply.
Also it is cheaper to buy in bulk (especially important if you are dieing of cancer and can't work)
Dave
Sorry for the OT post, but I wish to `correct' the previous poster's comment: From US history, it seems that the campaign against marijuana was not due to economic reasons (nobody important was making or losing large amount of money with it) but due to the perception that marijuana was associated with a specific racial group (African Americans) and that it had a tendency to drive people to commit violent crimes. So, blame lack of knowledge and racism for the ban against marijuana, not dark economic conspiracies. ( Incidentally, I believe I remember reading about how marijuana was legal during prohibition, oddly enough. )
Actually after prohibition there was a lot of G-Men unemployed who needed a new vice to attack.
Also hemp was being used in new industrial processes eg hemp paper which threatened a certain newspaper tycoon who had invested in cheap (wood) pulp paper.
Yeah, evil Gates!
Yeah, how many years was he the richest man in the world who didn't do anything for charity besides giving out windows licenses.
He only got generous after people bitched for years about how cheap he was and he got a generous wife
Dave
"it starts with wanting to own the entire computer industry and crushing every competitor to dust through unfair competition and sleazy tricks. " And, as a fallback plan, they make products people want.
Yes thats the really sad thing. MS most likely could of won the desktop (and office suite) wars without any dirty tricks as they do understand what users want.
But the fact is that they did a lot of anti-competive acts and having a good product (now) doesn't excuse the shit they've done
Dave
IE is fast on a 233MHz P-II. Mozilla is "fast" on a 1GHz box. IE crashes about once a day. Mozilla crashes about once a day.
What crappy OS are you running? I have IE (5.5) running on a P200 (win95) and it is slow
And I have Mozilla 1.3 running on a P300 (OS/2 ver4.5) and it is fast. I'm very happy with Mozilla as long as it has enough memory and very unhappy with IE 5.5 as it is so slow
Dave
Let's see? Free and open elections have started.
So you guys are gonna let Saddam run in the election?
Dave
I own at least one Arista recording, a cassette (prerecorded) of the Kinks (greatest hits) which I bought many years ago. This recording is crap( no highs, muddied bass, not even a blank leadin at the beginning of the tape), at that it is so crappy that I have made an effort since then to never buy another Arista recording.
Dave
Well you sure got a lot of your people sick while experimenting with using depleted uranium in a battle field, but I guess uranium isn't a WMD.
Dave
Well i'd agree that this may be a good reason to remove him the problem I have is that you (Americans) guys run around the world appointing these guys. Seems even Saddam was extensively helped by the USA and I can't count how many crackpot dictators the Americans have helped into power and supported. This is like the kettle calling the pot black. Shit your country has more cops and more people in prison then any other country (percentage wise) and most of them are in jail for political purposes (War on freedom to self-medication)
Dave
ps Wasn't it France who helped you guys when you revolted?
Does here, and has since 1.02(IIRC). Of course it just uses the OS Ogg support (OS/2 ver 4.5)
Dave
Huh? I've priced out IE, it's like $200. Sure they throw in a piece of crap OS with it but I don't want the OS.
This is also the problem with Windows Media Player, why should I have to put out hundereds of dollars because MS has leveraged their monopoly so media only comes in their formats?
Dave
No, more like the wrong side of a mountain. Lots of mountains here in BC
Dave
God to actually get 28.8K, I'm lucky here to get 26.4 . I remember back in the BBS days only being able to connect at 12000 (14.4 modem) to one BBS. Still the CBC gives us the choice of having the TV on or off, no need to change channels
Dave
ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/pub/xfree86/4.3.0/
OS/2 was never a desktop OS and never had a marketshare there. It came bundled with ps/2s' and that's all it ever got.
What really killed OS/2 is that you couldn't get it for free.
i've been around computers for 1 1/2 decades, and i NEVER saw anything open loosing against anything closed. I could get a windows 95 cd anytime but i couldn't find an OS/2 cd before warp.
Huh? IIRC I got a copy of OS/2 2.11 for the price of a stamp (maybe a couple of bucks for shipping) just by filling out a form in Byte or somesuch and I'm still using OS/2 (now ver 4.5). Windows seem like crap everytime I use it and Linux I've given up on as it becomes slower and more Win like. Its easy enough to recompile *nix programs I want or run them over X
Dave
I, for one, would love to see a feature like this in a mail program! Actually, I'd like to participate in the development of an existing open source email app if someone could recommend one. Java based would be nice
Checkout the polarbar mailer (www.polarbar.org). Opensource, written in Java.
Dave
It must be able to encrypt the contents of the drive, and only allow trusted applications to access protected data, and only allow trusted applications to access the 'trusted' part of memory
So no one can take your drive and read it? This is going to make law enforcement people happy.
Seems to me there is going to have to be a backdoor into the system incase a terrorist uses palladium and the department of homeland security wants to read the drive without the computer
Dave