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Mozilla.org Launches Mozilla 1.3
theBrownfury writes "Mozilla 1.3 is out and about. New to this version are features like image auto sizing, bayesian junk-mail filtering, dynamic profile switching, about:config for a pretty view into all of Mozilla's "secret" settings, an initial version of Midas for rich text editing, and a lot of other fixes for performance, standards compliance and site compatability. Also with 1.3 Mozilla is now applying machine learning to improve the autocomplete feature. Mozilla 1.3 is now the official stable release from mozilla.org. Users of all previous versions should upgrade to 1.3 for the latest in features and stability. More info at the 1.3 release page and discussions at mozillaZine.org."
what, no mp3 player?
Thats fine is you want the bloat. (although the kitchen sink is pretty funny) But when is the phoenix browser project going to release .6?
Choose wisely you must...
Yeah! Got the Linux and Windows versions before the Slashdotting! In your face, Taco!
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Not all that spam goes away and I never need to deal with trying to create new filters. I just mark it as spam and go!
I'm waiting 'til they integrate Emacs with it.
I just heard this sad bit of news on talk radio; Slashdot browser star Phoenix was found dead in its Seattle home this morning. There weren't any details. Even if you didn't agree with its minimalist style, there's no doubting its contributions to browser culture. Truly an open source icon.
Autocomplete: the only browser feature that can turn Disney.com into DonkeyHumpingMaidens.com.
"Also with 1.3 Mozilla is now applying machine learning to improve the autocomplete feature."
Sounds good. Eventually I can just tell it "porn" and it will go grab all sorts of crazy shit for me to do naughty things to. Of course, I hope it doesn't work like the Tivo's related feature or I'll end up with 30 translations of goatse.cx and a giant pic of Janet Reno in a bikini.
Shawn
Because you gotta bitch
If you haven't been using the 1.3 preview releases, and so haven't been running the spam filters yet, remember they take a while to get going. Look at http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html , the results are for around 8000 sorted messages. Just keep correcting it and you'll be fine.
I'm scared of numbers that can't be written as a fraction. It's an irrational fear.
Mozilla is contacted by slashdot.
Thursday March 13, @04:30PM
Mozilla is slashdotted.
Thursday March 13, @04:50PM
Mozilla takes FIRE BREATHING REVENGE OF DOOM! LAUNCHES NUCLEAR MISSLES AT "THE THREAT"
Thursday March 13, @05:01PM
Mozilla successfully slashdots slashdot with nuclear missles.
...you can now use a version of Galeon later than 1.2.7 without worrying about a dodgy beta copy of Mozilla. In the past if I'd wanted 1.2.8 I'd have to download and use the possibly unstable Mozilla 1.3 beta.
Get Mozilla 1.3 here and here.
Note to M1-ers: a curt but otherwise insightful message is not "Flamebait" or "Troll".
This is the quickest I ever installed software... hot off the press.
I LOVE mozilla... too bad more users don't have this expirience.
Mike http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
"Get Mozilla 1.3 here and here" should be "Get Mozilla 1.3 here and Galeon 1.2.8 here". A tad OT, but I thought I should just point that out.
Note to M1-ers: a curt but otherwise insightful message is not "Flamebait" or "Troll".
For that, I suggest you check out StumbleUpon. It's a nifty little Mozilla add-on.
I vaguely remember reading this release was due in January, although that changed every time I visited the roadmap page. Maybe if it had shipped then I wouldn't have moved to Opera. Mozilla to me is the open source project that has really reinforced the adage 'you get what you pay for' (okay, I don't actually pay for Opera, since the ads haven't irritated me, but I could in theory).
I am TheRaven on Soylent News
lot of other fixes for performance
Sorry but I've had 1.3b for about a week now and it's slow and it broke galeon too.
Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
I just barely got done downloading Netscape 4! stupid 1200 baud modem!
Couple of off-the-top observations (Windows version):
Why the heck can't it handle my skins a little more gracefully? Is having Orbit work between 1.2.1 and 1.3 too much to ask?
Where the heck is the option to stop scripts from opening unrequested windows? Not in Prefs -> Advanced -> Scripts & Plugins anymore... Oh! It's got it's own section in Privacy & Security...
Cool.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
...when you're downloading in the middle of a slashdotting, and it's *still* going at max speed. Sigh.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Everything you need to know, step by step, can be found here.... I've been building AA/TrueType support into Mozilla for a while now, and I have no idea why it's not enabled by default, or why others don't config their builds to do the same. Mozilla looks like absolute shit without smooth fonts.
Additionally, you can find a webcam movie of me eating a donut by clicking the link below.
Bowie J. Poag
Okay, what does this King Midas stuff do?
Does anybody think it's useful?
What do you get by compiling Mozilla yourself? Unless your on a non-supported platform it would seem like a total waste of time. It's also doubtful you're getting any speed increases, in fact my Mozilla compiling experiments suggest that my own builds are actually worse than mozilla.org's if I just go with the stock options. MySQL is also like this, a build of your own will be a lot slower than the binary versions they distribute.
Enjoy what? Something that takes about 10x as long to load and render a page than IE?
Nah. Mozilla is crap. And you know it.
Have they removed, or at least given the option to remove, the anti-aliasing crap that was in the linux beta build?
Finally mozilla supports unicode in the titlebar properly and also the address bar! Not the most important feature but it certaintly made things ugly to look at when you look at sites in different character sets. (This is reffering to Windows rels. btw)
Where is the fire breathing Mozilla? My 2yo isn't going to be happy about that change...
You know, there was a story a while back complaining about the lack of advancements in web browsers since IE took over the bulk of market share. Opera was doing a half decent job of trying to advance the state (Tabbed Browsing, Mouse Gestures), but I think that it's Mozilla that really has done a wonderful job of advancing what we expect from a browser. I'm still eternally grateful for the (wonderfully effective) pop up blocker in Mozilla, and now we are getting some actual intelligence into our auto-completion and nifty filtering for spam? Kudos to the Moz. team, and keep up the good work.
Ohhh, auto image resizing... IE have had that for ages and it was not a innovative feature by any means back when IE6 was released.
Gecko is nice, but what sits on top of it, Mozilla, Phoenix and the other, yuch!
Oh, yes, because the U.S. doesnnt have any weapons of mass destruction. Guess they forgot to list those 21,000 pound bombs.
Make Moz1.3 look just like IE... with the IE skin.
Force-upgrade people without them noticing.
try about:kitchensink
I'm not complaining about Mozilla's bloat
I'm complaining about the complete arrogance of some Mozilla contributors. It seems as if having ALT text pop up as a tooltip -- a trivial matter -- is a gross violation of web standards, so you should be using instead -- effectively having two tags for the same image, if you wanted to stay standards compliant.
Changing the splash screen took THREE YEARS to resolve. After lots of wonderful contributions, kerz decided on a ugly orange screen that's aimed at "getting the distributors" to change it. Wonderful.
Tee-hee.
At least it doesn't have an operating system built into it like IE.
134340: I am not a number. I am a free planet!
Autocomplete doesn't use machine learning in 1.3. It was an experimental, disabled-by-default, feature in 1.3beta for data-collection.
Aren't we supposed to be nerds here? Doesn't that mean we should all be capable of installing a fucking browser properly?
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
If you read the ML autocomplete page, the main "feature" in 1.3 is logging what entry people tend to pick from the autocomplete list; this will be fed into development of the ML autocomplete. They have a super-alpha version of the engine in there, sure, but really what you should be doing with 1.3 is feeding them the info. Don't expect intelligent autocompletion.
Unfortunately they still haven't added NTLM support. If you're in a total Microsoft shop with a MS proxy, if the admin has it totally secured, nothing other than IE can be used. Having this feature in Mozilla will help reestablish it as a corporate browser....and help some of us who can only use IE.
Oh and the bug is 3 years old. I know some work is being done on the Windows Mozilla, but damn. Three years?
m.kelley
life is like a freeway, if you don't look you could miss it.
I'm still waiting for the Bork Edition. Anyone know what the status is on that?
You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
What is music when you despise all sound?
1.2.1 finally fixed www.msnbc.com. However, www.nvidia.com was still not "right". Now even that site works. woot!
I know judging a browser by it's ability to handle the twisted "html" these sites use is a bad thing to do. However, it's nice to see Mozilla take on the challenge and succeed anyhow.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Now THAT was funny!
Only problem is that I can't find a single web page which demonstrates Midas in-action, what gives?!
"... takes about 10x as long to load and render a page than IE..."
You're a liar. And you know it.
feeding the trolls since downloading 1.3
The RPMs for RedHat 8 have the Xft support enabled. (They're not released yet, but they probably will be soon.)
It's not enabled by default because it requires libraries (Xft2, fontconfig) that many users don't have. At some point someone might modify the code so that it tests for the presence of the library and loads all the required function pointers manually, but that's a bit of work. What's available now is good enough for distributors and good enough for people who know to get the RH8 RPMs.
No IE favorites import. :( It's broken again. Back to Bugzilla....
Skip Franklin
It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. -- despair.com
But konqueror 3.1.9 (from cvs) KICKS THE FUCKING SHIT OUT MOZILLA! the apple enchanced html engine is very fast and konquerors gui is a lot slicker than phoenix and galeon.
kde/khtml reigns supreme against gnome/gecko, and its the "-1, flamebait" truth!
Just curious -- how long does it usually take before they create the RPM's for each release? They don't seem to be available for 1.3 yet.
Trolls lurk everywhere. Mod them down.
... the WORST ever feature on M$IE is image autosizing.
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None of the smart ass comments about slashdotting mozilla.org are funny. You may be able to "slashdot" someone's web server that is embedded in the RJ-45 connector running on an 80186 but mozilla.org is not and will not be slashdotted. I downloaded Mozilla when about 40 comments were posted and I got it within 10-15 seconds.
When using "find as you type", what do you do to get it to find the NEXT occurrence of the word?
The default splash screen looks kinda classy! Too bad its orange and black doesn't match the default theme (or any other theme I know of) but beggars can't be choosers, right?
Wah!
Thank you to all the developers!
Nice OS, all it needs now is an internet browser. [SlashCompo: Fastest Post to Get a Troll Mod]
Am I the only one here that is happy Mozilla 1.3 is out? After reading the posts here it sounds like /. would bitch if they were hung with a new rope.
/.ers also complain about)
What is wrong with Mozilla? "Bloat" what exactly is "bloat" memory footprint? HDD footprint? Load Time? Compaired to IE I find it to be very compeditive, plus you are not helping lord gates and mount redmond take over the net/world. You are providing them with a serious challenge which is better for everyone.
Sorry, I just work up and I'm a little cranky. I don't meean to bitch at the parent post specificly just people that are complaining about nit picky stuff while overlooking all the time/energy spent giving them a free speech/beer answer to IE and redmond (something
This is great and I am quite excited about this release, but I am curious what is planned for the next iteration of Mozilla?
~ kjrose
...which is too bad. I liked the dragon.
Have you not heard of Napoleon? Make no mistake; nothing about the French is inherently weak or timid. They also seem to have a fine concept of public opinion, rather than big business, affecting what their politicians decide.
i'm sorry... what? could you explain how a pre-compiled binary executes any faster than an identical user-compiled binary? if you're compiling for the same arcitecture with the same library base as the disributed-binary at compile time, it will be identical.
Wave upon wave of demented avengers March cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream
> Mozilla takes FIRE BREATHING REVENGE OF DOOM! LAUNCHES NUCLEAR MISSLES AT "THE THREAT"
MOZILLA was a browser, he was a dragon-browser, he was just a dragon, but he was still MOZILLA! Burninating the BLINK tags! Burninating the DOM! Burninating all the Frontpage users in their non-compliant HTML! (NON-COMPLIANT HTMLLLL!!!!!) AND THE BEAST SHALL COME FORTH SURROUNDED BY A ROILING CLOUD OF VENGEANCE... uh, I mean IN THE NIIIIIIGHT!
- The Book of Consummate Vs, 12:10
Hasn't about:config been there for a while?
The pace at which they're going now is absolutely incredible. It took them forever to reach 1.0, and I admint I was somewhat skeptical about the project. But once they got to 1.0, they started going fast and furious.
I will politely wait for the slashdotting to end before getting this release, but I can't wait! Go Moz!
Follow the adventures of the new wandering jews
I just check my weblog stats and non IE browsers accounted for 12% of hits so far today (out of 1.1million). About two months ago it was only 7%. Mozilla itself is at about 6.2%. Let's hope this trend continues.
An excellent example of what open source can accomplish, and I really mean that. Kudos and all that.
Automatic image resizing is off by default in Mozilla (although on by default in Phoenix), and can be toggled by clicking on the image.
I have to say I don't like it much either. For Phoenix users, it can be turned off by adding user_pref("browser.enable_automatic_image_resizing ", false); to user.js in the profile directory, or by manipulating the browser.enable_automatic_image_resizing preference in about:config .
I'm sure the Mozilla gods have blessed us with a config option to disable this "feature."
Actually, you have a preference to _enable_ the feature. It's off by default. Also, once enabled (by going to Edit->Preferences...->Appearance and checking the box titled "Enable automatic image resizing") a simple click on the image will restore it to its original size.
This really is a friendly implementation. I much prefer it to the feature implemented by the other guys.
--Asa
This makes no sense. If it was getting 99% certainty, and not getting any wrong, then it is sorting the messages itself. Are you sure you set up your mail client to actually pay attention to what POPfile was telling it?
Remember, POPfile doesn't do anything except mark messages with "spam" or "not spam" (or whatever else you're sorting for.) It's up to your email client to notice the difference.
My amazing wife - Artist, Author, Philosopher - Laurie M
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030312
On debian "apt-get install mozilla-xft" to get XFT support if you don't have RH8.
Which is especially true since you can download the Mozilla source yourself, set your compile options, and not have to build most of these extra features in at all. I mean, even the cited Phoenix browser relies on a functional build of Mozilla to compile, right?
I do not have a signature
Speaking of nvidia, has anyone been able to download the latest Win9x drivers from there? (Yes, I know, I'm the devil for using Windows, etc)
I've been trying to upgrade to the latest drivers, but it seems that all of their download sites have gone on spring break or something. I'm not having problems connecting to any other site, and this happens no matter what browser I'm using (Moz 1.1, 1.3, IE 6) Anyone else experiencing a similar problem?
Is it just me or does the new "mail notification sound" not work under linux? (Well the system beep works but not the play-wav-file). Should I be running artsd or esd or something?
The nightly builds support AA but it isn't enabled by default. I'm using this in my user.js:
pref("font.FreeType2.enable", true);
pref("font.FreeType2.autohinted", false);
pref("font.FreeType2.unhinted", false);
pref("font.antialias.min", 0);
Looks good to me!
|===================D -- Konqueror
|=======D - IE
|=================D - Opera
|D - Mozilla
You're assuming that the user is compiling with the same build options. That's likely not to be the case. By default, Mozilla builds are debug builds, unless you explicitly configure with --disable-debug and --enable-optimize. Those aren't the only options used in releases, either. Essentially, the build system is designed to be easy for developers (who often want debug builds) under the assumption (perhaps a questionable one) that normal users will download binaries.
Over 60 KB/s download speed! They must of been prepared this time round for the slashdotting!
Mozilla takes FIRE BREATHING REVENGE OF DOOM!
:-(
Actually, the li'l fire-breathing guy is gone! We get an exciting splash screen of the word Mozilla.
I want my lizard back.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
No, Canadians lose again. Always have, always will. Have a nice day.
If this feature has indeed been added to mozilla (and MS could learn this as well), please add an option to turn it off!
An online Starcraft RPG? Only at
Online Starcraft RPG? At
Dietary fiber is like asynchronous IO-- Non-blocking!
Hey! I was expecting them to have the kitchen sink by at least release 1.3!
Oh wait...
...but it's being eaten...by some...Linux or something...
http://download.aaltonen.us/mozilla-1.3/
I grabbed everything from here that seemed important... the server is at UMASS on a dual-OC3 connection, so it should be sufficient.
Wow a new release for my secondary browser! Secondary because while it is still loading am browsing around with Dillo ...
Hi,
"favtool.exe" is a utility I picked up a long time, don't remember where so you'll have to search for it. I use it to keep my bookmarks at home and my favorites at work in sync.
Strangly enough, thats not way I would Build Mozilla. Usualy I use these to get what I want, this includes all sorts of goodys, that are not just font specific. Also I shy away for the "-march=i686" but I do use O2.
ac_add_options --enable-crypto
ac_add_options --enable-ldap-experimental
ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O2
ac_add_options --enable-reorder
ac_add_options --enable-cpp-rtti
ac_add_options --enable-cpp-exceptions
ac_add_options --enable-default-toolkit=gtk2
ac_add_options --disable-toolkit-gtk
ac_add_options --enable-xft
ac_add_options --enable-freetype2
ac_add_options --enable-oji
ac_add_options --disable-debug
ac_add_options --disable-short-wchar
ac_add_options --with-system-zlib
ac_add_options --with-system-jpeg
ac_add_options --with-system-png
ac_add_options --with-system-mng
ac_add_options --disable-tests
"think of it as evolution in action"
Great, no prefbar, no leech, no themes for Mac OS X. The release notes page even points at an irrelevant bug (181293) to further confuse the issue. LOSERS!
The PrefBar Nazi
The way I think completion should work is to match the shortest matching non-unique segment. /info.
3 /20282 09&mode=nested&tid=95&tid=185&tid=154"
If I type "www.moz" and I've been to "www.mozilla.com" (and various subdirectories) and "www.mozone.com" (and various subdirectories), it should show just those two matches, without the subdirectories. I should then be able to hit tab to choose one or the other, and then continue to type. Say I choose www.mozilla.com and type
Now, if the only pages matching this is "/info/win32/editor.html" "info/win32/browser.html" "/info/linux/browser.html" then I should get to choose between "/info/linux/" and "/info/win32/".
This way I can type "sl" and see all the individual sites starting with sl, before looking through thousands of lines like
"http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/1
Also, if there are no matches, the window shouldn't come up at all. It's a pain to have to click repeatedly to get out of the URL entry if the url you are entering doesn't match anything. (at least on the Linux version)
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
I hope whoever does the maintenance enables AA. I didn't see the RPM packages about 30 minutes ago.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
You apparently haven't been through hell with ATI drivers like some of us.
These preferences (font.FreeType2.*, etc.) trigger different antialiased font code -- code that uses FreeType directly rather than going through Xft2 and fontconfig. This requires that the user configure TrueType fonts separately for Mozilla.
There's been a bit of debate about which approach is better. I'm strongly in the "don't reinvent the wheel" camp, and thus I prefer Xft to the direct use of FreeType.
Next time, avoid the caps. Makes you look like a nut.
Oh wait, that's what you are.
As a long-time zilla hater and Opera afficionado, I can tell you that this release is finally worth installing. Believe it or not, 1.3 is actually reasonably quick, both on initial loading and page renders - startup speed lags behind IE and Opera, obviously, but it's getting quite close! I don't have that disgusting pre-loading feature enabled, yet it no longer feels like you're loading a miniature version of OpenOffice. Page rendering has been the fastest thing I've ever seen since version 1.0, and I can't tell if it's any faster in that respect just yet.
Hats off to the Mozilla crew for this fine release!
*note: talkin' about the Win32 version here. No idea about Linux. Sorry.
Note: mozilla-xft is only availible in the Sid (Unstable) branch.
InThane
No I havent.
And I've had the original all-in-wonder, the original Radeon, a radeon 8500 at work, and a radeon 9700 now.
I've had no driver issues whatsoever. Only problems I ever had came after trying to use one of the RageTweaker type utilities.
Exactly what is it that you're doing wrong?
I can still get >100k? How can this be?:)
That the idea to use it as a platform to develope portable applications (using ECMAScript + XUL) is catching on slower than some people would expect. This is a pity, because ungodly amounts of effort goes in making this possible, and still people see it just as a web browser (a large one).
Other than that, Mozilla-the-web-browser is fine, Mozilla-the-messaging suite is at least good enough, and Mozilla-the-javascript-debugger shows lots of promises.
I don't include Mozilla-the-IDE (Komodo) in the list, since it deviates too much from the usual distribution (even if it is Gecko Inside(TM)).
Now waiting for Mozilla-the-organizer (thru Calendar, planned for 1.4 ~ 1.5). Perhaps a Mozilla-the-file-manager would be something worth implementing (but Meow seems definitively dead).
"Tools | Mark Selected Messages as *Not* Junk"
There have been a bunch of posts to the newsgroup and this has been the problem.
Unless you tell the filter what is spam *AND NOT* spam then it only has half of the information it needs to make a decision. It's a bimodal decision tree that is used to determine whether a message is spam or not. ie;
for each word {
the probability it is spam is x
and the probability it is ham is y
}
A calculation (Bayes) of those probabilities intersecting usually places the probability that any given message is spam either close to 1 (spam) or 0 (ham). What happens if you don't train ham is the probability of all messages will be around .5 and that is not enough to say anything definitively and defaults to delivery.
Who are you? The new #2 Who is #1? You are #617565. I am not a number, I am a free man! Muhahaha.
Do you have any idea how much porn I didn't keep because autosize made it too small??? Not Mozilla too, geez...
If you're running OS X on that PowerBook, then no, this won't affect you. The bug affects OS 9 and lower.
So, I should embrace OSS out of loyalty rather than using whichever is the best tool for the job? Welcome to reason number 3545552 why this is still a Microsoft world.
-
Inventor of the term 'pardon my French'.
It's important to those of us that have to use multiple browsers for one reason or another. There are lots of cases where a site is only viewable in IE (or vice versa, although that's much less common). This is especially bad if your company develops Int(er|ra)net applications, as mine does.
.URL file formats haven't changed recently - certainly they're simple enough. But somehow this feature keeps breaking. It's a reason for me not to use Mozilla, and if Mozilla is ever going to become a general user phenomenon, it needs to be working flawlessly. Joe user won't switch unless we make it extremely easy for him to do so.
The "who cares" mentality seems to exist at the Mozilla developer level as well, since this bug keeps popping up again and again. I'm almost positive that
The obvious next comment is "get the source, fix it yourself, submit a patch". If I get the time, maybe I will, despite my less-than-stellar C++ skills.
Skip Franklin
It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. -- despair.com
Mozilla runs really well on my "Compy 386".
I'd mod you funny, but alas, no mod points.
Moz is hosted in AOL's datacenter. Good luck slashdotting it.
the releases after 1.0 maybe Mozilla wouldn't of taken 5 years and IE would have some type of competition.
I love it when the Sun Java VM crashes my laptop because of the crappy drivers for the ATI Rage Mobility chip in it.
Portable versions of Firefox, GIMP, LibreOffice, etc
It seems like this autocomplete thing is more about ranking... I wonder if they'll fix what I consider to be the bigest problem with autocomplete - Mozilla will pick one site from which to return URLs.
Example: If I start typing in 'http://s' for example, it will gladly show me a list of 20 URLs from slashdot.org, but not a single one for stickdeath. Why doesn't it do like (Windows) Explorer-style autocomplete - when I type in the above, provide me with domains from which to choose. When and if I pick Slashdot, then it should provide links from slashdot only, but why on earth does it assume that by typing a few letters, that it should automatically complete 10 documents from the same website, but none from any others?
--Dan
For a better web browser that does support mp3 playing, go here.
You know where you are? You're in the $PATH, baby. You're gonna get executed!
Mozilla just keeps getting better and better... With all the features it has, it's well on it's way to becoming the super user's uber browser. I had to tweak one of the "secret features" a few weeks ago. (Port 1080 is denied unless you explicitly tell the browser that it's OK to access) The info I found, referred me to the about:config screen. When I saw it I was very impressed at how much potential there is for using this browser in so many different ways. The only thing they need on Linux now is the "Quick Start" or whatever they call it launcher program. That way you will only have to wait a fraction of a second for Mozilla to appear. I think this could be implemented by having another Mozilla componenet that you can run at X login. It doesn't actually display any output, it just loads the base elements of Mozilla needed to launch any Mozilla app. That would be EXTREMELY cool...
-- For my comments on the new difficulties in first posting and the "broken-ness" of metamoderation, go here:
http://slashdot.org/~Trolling4Dollars/journal/2699 5
Un-news
After downloading Opera today I used their browser and surfed on over to the Skins section on their site. Their top navigation has a display bug where the rollover gets cut off a bit. If you use another browser such as IE or Mozilla, it works fine. Meaning their own webmaster most likely tested his work on a browser OTHER than Opera! LOL. The link to that page is: http://my.opera.com/customize/skins/
netdistortion
I am happily posting this with Mozilla 1.3
:-)
Very happy with the improved popupmanager with which you can allow or deny on a per site basis who can popup.
Still playing with the other new thingies
I have been TOLD by them that Win2K is uncrashable and so it can't be a Mozilla problem. They've tried to blame everything but Mozilla. Seeing as it's almost a 100% guarantee that I can get my machine to BSOD in the nVidia drivers if I use Mozilla for too many hours without restarting it, and no other app causes this problem, I would say it's a Mozilla problem.
If an app manages to BSOD the system, it *may* be a sign of buggy coding in the app, but it's *definitely* a sign of buggy coding (poor exception handling, memory management, etc) in a driver or other kernel-level service. Maybe the *application* will crash if it issues enough bad commands, but the drivers (since they're running in kernel mode) should be written to be bulletproof, 'cause when a kernel-mode process goes down, it bring down the whole system.
if your like me and you don't use the download manager but have dialogs enabled, you will eventually find that downloads will continually take longer and longer to start. Eventually I ended up with a 10 second lag between clicking save, and the application actually saving. Turns out Mozilla logs all downloads in the download manager anyway and NEVER purges the list. You can improve performance by deleting the file 'downloads.rdf' in your profile directory (this of course nukes your download history).
Just in case anyone else has been having a problem with huge delays in downloads starting.
It is interesting to note the eight of the current top ten hits are people telling you to make this search.
--
"Open source is good." - Steve Jobs
"Open source is evil." - Microsoft
Not to mention their food, wine, women, movies and other art, and a principled position on the legality of war. More than I can say for my own country. Vive La France!
It's GNU/Ogg/Vorbis!
-RMS
Gnutella 2 link for Win32 version on Sharelive.
Says you? Somehow, I'm not convinced.
The debian apt-get package should be available in the testing release sometime in 2009.
"After reading the posts here it sounds like /. would bitch if they were hung with a new rope." ..maybe because there are actually multiple people composing the readership of /.? The people who like Mozilla, - eg, me - probably don't feel much need to post here. What's to say? "Nice to see it's coming along, gg Moz"? Seems like a waste of bandwidth.
Generally, you tend to get the most outspoken in any thread, and they (unfortunately) tend to be the complainers, the zealots, and the ignorant (there's significant overlap there).
If only he wasn't right...
with an .mp3 extension I download with winmx.com
Seriously IE sucks. Even die hard Windows users I know switch to Mozilla or Opera. I do use the best tool for the job which is why I use Mozilla. Maybe if Microsoft opensourced IE it'd improve and not suck so much. Pitiful considering how few platforms they even support and the headstart they had.
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The same with Linux. I use Linux because it's better than Windows (for my needs at least). I do have major complaints about Gnome 2 though. It seems like they've slipped a lot. They actually are making XP look good in some ways.
The one really kickass program Microsoft makes.. M$ Flight Sim. Flight Sim is cool. Haven't seen it in a while though. They still selling it? I have yet to see an opensource program that was anywhere as cool as Flight Sim.
Also keep in mind that having access to the source is one feature that defines how useful that program is as a tool. Would you buy a car if it were impossible to open the hood? Of course not because to keep the car useful as a tool you need the ability to fix things that break. Maybe you wouldn't be the one to fix it but you could pay somebody to. Unless you have really deep pockets just try to get Microsoft to fix a bug just for you.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
Napoleon ultimately lost you moron. Go buy a history book.
Also, the only reason the French loooove Iraq so much is their 60-75 billion Euro oil deal with them.
I have been using Mozilla since 0.92 as my primary browser and email client. I'm surprised at the new features added - like about:config - I mean, who knew!?! This is cool!
However, I still have a problem with a few sites, like tvguide.com. When on the listings page, I click the program name and get a blank pop-up window where the description should be. I've tried turning off popup-blocking and disabling all script control options (leaving the boxes checked). Does anyone else see this problem? More importantly, does anyone have a solution.
"I'm The Bounty Bear. I will find him anywhere. I'm searching."
Napoleon was from Corsica and spent the early years of his life fighting against the French. Sure, he had amazing victories later on under the French flag, but he was eventually beaten by none other than the French! I believe that they're one of the only countries to lose even when they win in a non-civil war.
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Mozilla *is* the best tool for the job!
I started using it to support the project but I've come to find tabbing essential to my work, as I hate a cluttered task bar and I regularly have 6 or 7 sites open for convenience.
Mozilla allows me to customise my browsing experience and handle cookies etc. in a very nice way, compared to IE. Not perfect by any means but it's just better.
Plus it handles my newsgroups nicely these days, now that bugs have been ironed out.
And I've not mentioned the oft-praised popup-blocker, debugging tools, standards compliance etc.
IE is quicker, less bloaty and that is it.
I can live with the imperfections of Mozilla in order to enjoy the benefits.
I know I can see the ALT tags by doing properties on the images, but I'd rather be able to simply see them on mouse over.
"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking
Yes, I know I can save some folders and do other weird stuff to make sure this doesn't happen, but by god, think of the newbies. (Ok, so the last part was a bit over the top, but still...)
Oh, and with the new spam-filtering-rules Mozilla has now become my fav mailclient. Combined with IMAP it just rocks.
Thank You to all developers. Perhaps I should go file that bug now. The annoying one.
You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. -- Harlan Ellison
sir in my opinion you should eat poop.
lots of it!!
France? Is that you?
Naw. I think Mozilla is great if you have anything even remotely new for a computer. I still think they should put more effort into making it run better on crappy hardware but it runs well on most gear.
Mozilla uses less memory than IE and doesn't leak memory like Netscape 4.x so that is good. If you don't want all the extras you can easily compile Mozilla without them for less memory and hdd use.
Mozilla is very stable and full of useful features. Not crap like a talking paperclip but things that are actually useful. It looks a lot nicer than any other browser I've seen to. Some other browsers allow themes but they are pretty limited and still pretty ugly. Mozilla also has a lot better CSS support than other browsers which results in nice looking standard compliant web pages.
The fact that it's opensource is a great feature. It allows for unlimited customization and bug fixes. The fact that it gives IE some real competition is good for both IE and non-IE users. Having a choice is one of those features we all should appreciate.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
"Does it have ANY TECHNICAL MERIT WHATSOEVER?"
/., though, isn't a good way to get help with your (obvious) problems.
It has the best standards support of any browser available. That's a technical merit.
"I hear SAMBA is ALMOST GOOD ENOUGH to replace NT 4.0 Server."
I don't think you know what Samba is. It lets Linux boxes communicate with Windows boxes flawlessy using SMB, Windows' native file sharing protocol (what you use when you transfer files to other computers in your "Network Neighborhood").
"Hooray! Linux has a beta patch to preemptively multitask."
No. I don't think you know what preemptive multitasking is, either. Linux has always preemptively multitasked, as has Windows since Win 95/NT. This new version (it's a version of the kernel, not a "patch") improves the scheduler's heuristics for multitasking so it appears to be more responsive.
If you were having trouble listening to mp3s on a 2Ghz machine, then you must have made some serious mistakes setting up your computer. Try consulting the XMMS docs, or a linux channel on IRC, or if you have any friends who know much about Linux, they can help. Trolling
I thought it would be slashdotted but I just grabbed the linux build and it took about 30s to grab 14MB. My download peaked out at 300kb/s. That's kiloBYTES per second!
So long, and thanks for all the Phish
Where is it? All I see is OS X.
Mozilla makes my Windows (2000 Pro, SP3) freeze sometimes and I have a Matrox G450 DualHead (True Color, 2048x768 spanned across 2 monitors). It's not a true BSOD but video doesn't change, it won't accept any mouse/keyboard input, if an MP3 is playing (WinAmp3 or MusicMatch7.5) it will finish playing but won't play any more, it will respond to a ping but won't open any connections (file sharing or via RPC). There's no record in the event log or anywhere else of what happened.
I tend to leave Mozilla running for days and usually have 3-12 tabs open. The freezes seem to happen as a page is loading, even if it's loading by using the Back button. I removed the Flash plug-in to make sure it wasn't causing it (plus it has happened on sites which don't use Flash like Penny Arcade). Yesterday I removed the entire Mozilla profile folder (C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Mozilla\) let it recreate it then moved my bookmarks and cookies into the new profile. I noticed the registry.dat file was up to 390K which seemed odd. We'll see if it happens again but this thread makes it sound like a lower level problem. If it happens again, I'll try dropping the color depth down to 24bit.
The MySQL RPM packages for example are statically linked against a customized minimal glibc version for maximum performance. It's easy enough to test for yourself, compile MySQL into /usr/local and install the RPM version at the same time. The RPM version will be faster.
Yes, already reported to bugzilla, but the behaviour seems to be confirmed as 'normal'.
While using Moz to kick off a mailing admin script, it was taking a LONG time to run (45 minutes or more - should have been 10-15). Then people complained of dupes. I finally tracked this down - every 5 minutes (within a couple seconds) Mozilla would silently rePOST the entire request (going to a different Apache process no doubt).
This is from the same browser which won't let you go BACK or FWD to a page that was the result of a POST because it would be 'cheating' the standards somehow. But silently rePOSTing is just fine. The developer at bugzilla suggested that Mozilla is supposed to do this because the connection may have dropped. If the connection drops, Mozilla will silently try to rePOST. However, that doesn't explain why I get 'connection with server timed out' errors - why doesn't is retry then?
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How is that funny ? That's off-topic, pathetic and only shows how little history you know.
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How convenient it is to forget Lafayette, to forget that France used its UN veto in favor of the US in the past (Nicaragua anyone), to forget that French intelligence warned the US of Al Quaeda actions before 9/11, to forget that the US (Rumsfeld himself) gave weapons of mass destruction to Irak, to forget that the USA shot their French allies in the back a couple of times already (Suez anyone, a US veto at the UN...).
How convenient it is to dismiss the French army because the top-brass (Petain in particular) fucked-up in the 1930's and thought the Maginot line was enough, and because France doesn't spend trillion dollars on its defense. See for example http://www.what-if-you.com/ww2memorial/wwii__chap
for more information on the French defeat in 1939. Note that sentence: "The army that had been at the end of the First World War indisputably the greatest in the world". Who do you think this is refering to ?
How convenient it is to expect allies to always stand behind you, those allies that learned about the cost and stupidity of warthe hard way in good part thanks to the US and Russia (how many US troups died in WWII, how many Russians ?).
How convenient it is to make fun of your allies when they don't agree with you, while you do nothing to help (Bush's religious attitude doesn't go well in countries that learned something about religion's dangers, Bush unilateralism in revoking international treaties that he didn't like, etc.).
How convenient it is to hate the French and do everything to suck up to Israel, a country that deliberately killed US soldiers (USS Liberty, do a google search on that) and that complies even less with UN resolutions than Irak. God, they must be good those French for you to hate them that much.
How convenient. How blind. How stupid. How redneck. How republican. (How national socialist ?)
The mozilla anti-spam buzzword-bayesian filter is really nice, but a lot of people are going to be pissed at it. It has this annoying tendency to not actually 'work'. You set it up, train it, it trains, but never actually gets around to classifying new mail as junk
I've seen this on OSX, and Linux. It's making and adding to the training.dat, but there's some sort of silent corruption.
This is in Bugzilla, and still not fixed. This will turn a lot of people OFF mozilla, because they'll just say "I tried it... the anti-spam thing was crap and didn't work"
Unfortunately Mozilla still has a horrible usability flaw that the developers refuse to address. It caches DNS lookups forever, and does not honor the TTL on the record - there is no way to turn this off. This means that any site that uses changing DNS records with a short TTL for failover or load balancing will be broken for Mozilla users. IE works fine. This issue makes Mozilla look really pathetic in a corporate environment.
Search bugzilla for "dns cache".
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The quickness, less bloatiness, (de facto) standard compliance of IE, with the tabbed browsing goodness, among some other stuff, of Mozilla. Pretty good stuff. Windows only though, sorry to you Linux heads.
Tell me why I need to recomple a browser, to get AA support? Why isn't this just a switch in the window environment or even the X server? Am I really the only one who has problems with this? Do I have to recompile the browser if I switch from 16bit colour to 32bit? I'm sorry, but this IRIITATES me!
J.
See that seven-digit number next to the time stamp? Right-click on it, and bookmark that way.
screen back. I liked it!
It is not Moz without the little green dino --even if he is pissed.
Blogging because I can...
Am I the only person who noticed that they cravenly removed the Mozilla mascot from the splash screen?
This will sound stupid to the Slashdot Crowd, but many of the people that I've switched to Mozilla really, really liked the mascott. I've even had several of the women comment that they used Mozilla because they thought the logo was cute; the guys though it looked cool (these people are not technical types).
Why they would switch to the current bland and antiseptic splash screen is beyond me. I mean, I'm not going to switch browsers or anything, but they do risk alienating at least a fraction of their "joe six-pack" user base. Plus it's just dumb from a marketing standpoint.
Bring back the fire-breathing lizard!!!!
If you agree with me, vote for the bug I submitted to Bugzilla.
Help save the critically endangered Blue Iguana
Since my computer started getting infected with all kinds of ActiveX exploits, I've switched to browsing the internet only with Mozilla. (I use IE for work stuff that requires ActiveX) Popup management alone would have been a good reason to switch. However, I haven't noticed it being any slower than IE lately. I _HAVE_ noticed that Windows tries to swap Mozilla out of memory the first chance it gets. It's almost uncanny. I'll have a bunch of applications running, and Mozilla is always the first one to get swapped out when I'm working on something else. Obviously, this rarely happens with IE (presumably because 9/10 of it is loaded when you boot Windows). Anybody have any idea why it seems to be so much worse with Mozilla? (Running Windows 2000).
GreyPoopon
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It's only a minor annoyance, but Mozilla doesn't yet snap to the default button in Windows if that setting is configured in Control Panel (when set, the mouse cursor should automatically move to the default button in dialog boxes). You might think it wouldn't be such a tough fix, but it's apparently ellusive :-/.
If you like, you can vote for the bug (you'll need a free Bugzilla account to vote). You'll probably need to copy-n-paste the URL, as Bugzilla doesn't accept referers from Slashdot.
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
... there is a annoying, irksome bug that prevents me from using it that still hasn't been fixed. Whenever I setup newsgroup servers or pop mail servers, after a while, js.prefs gets clobbered. I don't know what or who, and when I use it just as a browser, it doesn't happen. But after setting up mail servers, it's inevitable at some point in time when I'm not using the program, js.prefs gets clobbered and when I go into Mozilla it appears as if it's the first time I ever loaded it up.
I've tried the workarounds I've discovered from others on Usenet - building a new profile and getting rid of any potential corrupted files, etc. ... but it has not fixed the problem.
AZspot
That would be the "other" line, right? browsers used on google in January
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Do I have to uninstall Mozilla 1.2.1? Or the installer will upgrade my version to 1.3?
Does anybody know if having odd themes still causes trouble with the install? Since around 0.9 or so I'd have all sorts of trouble with my profiles every time I upgraded, and finally discovered (after my last upgrade to 1.2) that it apparently has to do with my running a separate theme (Orbit, specifically).
Is this still a problem? Am I mistaken that it ever was? Should I do anything specific before upgrading?
I almost fell off my chair and woke up half the house, you bastard.
Can you configure Mozilla 1.3 so that it does "Tabbed Browsing" by default?
That particular feature is (for me at least) the most useful of all the additions to Mozilla. Although, blocking pop-ups is pretty cool too.
http://jesus.everdense.com/
I love the spam filter... I even used 1.3a and 1.3b get the bayesian filter feature. Now that 1.3 is out I'll be installing that ASAP and hope that it fixes a few minor bugs I've noticed.
You don't have to have a large section of the market to be competition. Remember how fast IE destroyed Netscape? You just have to have a product good enough to keep the heat on. If IE stops progressing Mozilla will catch up and surpass them and eventually eat their lunch. Unlike Netscape Mozilla isn't going to be easy to kill. It's been designed from the ground up to be maintainable and flexible. It's independent of a commercial company. You can't buy it ot put it out of business.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
So if you want to help a poor Mac (and Linux, for my servers) user who can't afford to upgrade to Jaguar, go to this website and make a donation! (or buy something).
Shameless, I know. Shame is too expensive for my budget.
Convert RSS to HTML - integrate webfeeds into your website
"Tell me why I need to recomple a browser, to get AA support?"
Easy enough it's compiled to take advantage of a library.
Strawman arguments just suck.
"Do I have to recompile the browser if I switch from 16bit colour to 32bit?"
Please thats just a troll. Do I have to recompile to change proccessors?
"I'm sorry, but this IRIITATES me!"
Crist then do somthing about it. _lots_ of people are at least trying.
No one is forcing you to use the newist features.
"think of it as evolution in action"
Ugh.
Whoever moderated this to plus 2 hasn't followed the link or has a sick sense of humour. That's the most disgusting thing I've seen since goatse.
... one is the quick launch "feature'O'bug".
this problem is much deeper than it appears to be. It's directly connected to the memory leaks issues. whether bad mozilla code or bad C libs implementations are guily for these is still debated on bugzilla. I guess there is no hope to see this baby fixed until a mjor new version emerges (2.0?).
in my opinion this is the biggest problem this cool browser has and it's getting pretty old.
... second is the ATI drivers doodoo.
i don't know just how big this one is but the fact that a browser admits to have problems with all of the latest ATI drivers is totally unacceptable.
i would propose them to extend this problem over nvidia cards so that we all go for matrox.
Ever heard of TotalFinaElf?
I know I will get flamed, but my primary browser is still netscape 4.76. I rarely turn javascript on.
If I must, I use Phoenix.
I routinely have 10-30 browser windows open..
The speed at which a new window comes up when I open a link is very important to me. Also important is whether the rest of my browser windows 'stall' or go blank while that new window comes up..
I think that many of the problems may come from blocking in the code and bad thread management.
A lot of browsers just don't 'get it'.
You can blame my Athlon 700, but I'm not upgrading until Hammer.
I would have liked to use Mozilla for my e-mail, as Netscape Messenger 4.7x finally has enough unfixed time/date induced problems so as to be unusable.
I have an inbox (no messages left on server) with about 90 e-mail and 10 MB of attachments. My folders in total have around 30 MB of e-mail. This is on Windows 2000, 800 MHz cpu, 7200 RPM 60 GB disk, HDD FULLY defragmented two days ago, folders compressed not less than a few days ago..
"Compressing" the folders takes 1.5 minutes, despite the fact that I swear I did it only a few days ago. Deleting an e-mail with a 2 MB attachment runs the CPU and HDD for 15 seconds. Same goes for "saving" the attachment to disk.
Oddly enough, even though those operations sound and feel heavy, HDD rattling like heck and system all slow like molasses, the HDD is only reading and writing at 0.5 MB/s, and the CPU is no higher than 10-40 pct.
Now *that's* an unscalable architecture.
Worst of all, while you're saving an attachment to disk your pointer is not locked to an hourglass, and you're free to close the e-mail and delete it from your inbox (which you will do the first time you don't notice the "M" icon still spinning in the e-mail). You get no warning, but I guess because that happens "while" it was trying to extract the attachment, the attachment save gets silently cut off, and you end up with a corrupted partial file on disk (bad zip, etc etc).
That's ONE HELL OF A USABILITY BUG.
After only 1 month, I'm dumping Mozilla Mail as fast as I can.
Anybody else notice that 1.3 can't handle some of the .jpg's on their site? I installed 1.3 today and I'd say about a 5th of my images(all created by photoshop) were no longer viewable.
.jpg "optimized" does but I guess I won't be using the option anymore. Weird.
I exported them with a bunch of different options and it appears that unchecking the "optimized" checkbox and saving them again fixes the problem. To be honest, I'm not sure what making a
One of my favorites, dpreview.com, isn't working undir 1.3. It worked fine under 1.3b. :(
Bleah!
I'll be worried once the US starts to target civilians. Despite what your liberal arts professors tell you, there is a difference between that and collateral damage.
I had just finished FTPing 1.3b for a fresh installation this afternoon!
my gentoo gives me xft support automatically because of my USE flags....more people should look into gentoo. It's great.
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am i the only person who does not like AA?
Maybe I'm just spoiled, but rather than fetching the giant re-installer, is there some way that mozilla can upgrade itself? For all the complaining that web developers do about people out there still running Mosaic v0.9b, it amazes me this isn't a primary feature.
-Zipwow
I don't know which is more depressing, that 2/3 didn't care enough to vote, or that 1/2 of those that did are crazy.
No, that would be most of the "other" line combined with what Google has mistakenly labeled as "Netscape 5".
I have used mozilla and was disappointed at the performance and memory consumption. I have a pii 266 with only 32 megs of ram so mozilla will not do it for me.
My question is why there is no leadership at the Mozilla project . Make it lean and fast. Phoenix is NOT that fast. It's a start though.
Mozilla has gotten slowed down by trying to use this language XUL. It slows everything into the crapper. Would any commercial product be like Mozilla . I don't think so.
Mozilla and other open source projects like Staroffice need to hire leaders with vision and not make FRANKENSTEIN projects with every little doo-dad. Drop c++ and XUL and make cut the FRICKING FAT . Make the F***ING plane fly baby!
I do like composer though
peace , out.
Am I the only one who prefers non anti-aliased fonts? I think that anti-aliased fonts look like shit, especially on small point sizes. I like text to look crisp, not blended together. During an eye-exam, the doctor made a comment to me along those lines. So maybe I am alone on this...
As it so happens, I asked this question not so long ago. It was kindly answered in this thread:
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http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-
That the idea to use it as a platform to develope portable applications (using ECMAScript + XUL) is catching on slower than some people would expect.
I think there are two basic architecture issues that turn a lot of people off. The first is Javascript (ECMAscript). The only place this language has a foothold is in HTML. If the real goal is to have people write general applications, nobody uses javascript and so this meets a non-demand.
The second is the failure to separate concerns into layers very well. Presentation code in XML is heavily intermixed with behavior code written in javascript. A better model here is the one used by JSP custom tags. The behavior is encapsilated and isolated to another layer. XUL on the other hand really encourages you to intermix the two.
must be getting jealous just about now... ;p
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
Quit trolling and code it yourself.
couldn't find the answer anywhere, so I figured I'd ask here... if I already have a mozilla window open, and I click on a link in GNOME or gaim or whatever, mozilla asks me to select an alternate profile. Is there any way to turn this off?
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One of the cool things in IE6 is that you can view an XML document with XSL transformations supplied by the xml-stylesheet node applied at runtime. However, Mozilla does not support this, anyone know if there are plans for it to do so?
If only I could find a copy of Mozilla without mail/news/chat/ for OS X... I only want the browser. On all the other platforms I can choose to remove the extra's, but not Mac OS X. I have to download and run a bloated mess.
I know that there is a lot of other browsers for OS X that do not have all the bloat and run faster, but Mozilla is the best out of all of them.
The above is not worth reading.
Who's the UI guru that decided reordering the tab context menu (ie, when you right click on a tab, or in the tab bar) so that 'close tab' is where 'new tab' used to be, and vice versa?
I've been using 1.3 for all of five minutes, and I've twice already closed tabs I wanted to keep open!
What's next, the new emacs remapping c-x c-s to 'quit without save'?
The Mac OS X version of Mozilla is now Mach-O instead of CFS, meaning the code underneath is UNIX-ish instead of Mac-ish, and it builds with gcc. This makes it faster.
The splash screen is missing (bug 112559), and the font size in Chatzilla is too small (bug 181039). The latter can be worked around with an altered stylesheet (look for "larger" here).
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And all is laid to burnination!
my gentoo gives me xft support automatically because of my USE flags....more people should look into gentoo. It's great.
So is sucking your own cock, you should try it! It's especially great for gentoo users!
Try disabling DirectDraw and/or Direct3D and see if it still crashes. This sucks if you want to play games on the same PC, though.
ATI Windows drivers, especially laptop Mobility drivers, and JRE 1.4.1 conflict. At work I was able to work around this by disabling DirectDraw when running that particular Java app; in fact with Java I was able to pass the VM a command to not use DirectDraw (-Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true IIRC); I wonder if Mozilla has a "don't use DirectDraw" feature?
Because that's how it does it.
Just like command-line auto-completion.
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5) Profit!
Hmmmm... looks like MSIE 5+ is still the only one that supports the XML data island stuff, which is truly sad. I want to play around w/ developing xml web apps more, but the browser support for it still seems to be Windows MSIE-only. It's funny, MS is derided all the time, but things like this still speak well of at least some of their stuff. IE 5 is like how old, & yet the XML parser which came with it is still AFAIK without peer. I'm frankly shocked that Moz isn't pursuing XML support as well as MS (of course, MS' reported bastardization of XML for Office 2003 documents does seem to bely that statement).
But Moz 1.3 does have better support for dhtml stuff like Netwindows.
Does anyone know how to change the order of the right click tab menu for
the windows version? Before it had "new tab" on the top, now "close tab" is
the top one.
You get to the menu by right-clicking anywhere on the tabs bar.
I really hate Dan Patrick.
This may be an unpopular view, but this effort reminds me of the way another desktop environment developed. Creating more and more apps that rely on the mozilla codebase makes it central to the desktop... rather like IE.
Yup, that's what I said.
Do you know the best thing about not caring what you think is?
WTF does this have to do with a new Mozilla release? There are other forums where you can spread nationalist hatred.
In principio creauit Linus Linucem.
How awesome that instead of trying to decrease the memory footprint, increase stability or actually improve usability, the mozdev team focusing on ripping off EVEN MORE useless features from IE. My favorite is the removal of items from the right click menu's in the context sensitive way of doing things. Never mind going back is the second most used function, let's get it off that menu. When I brought this up, I was told I could edit the code to put it back, wow, talk about usuability, just rewrite the code! Good job mozdev, you keep showing the world that in the face of adversity you can keep making something worse and still take credit for it, believing all the while, and convincing not a few that you've done somthing great.
nanynanybooboo !!
scripsit macshune:
Maybe it's a nilbog server...
In principio creauit Linus Linucem.
i agree. Mozilla gives opensource a shit on the head. I downloaded it and it always crashed. Xul language is bullshit and from what everyone says that's what so slows the mothafucka down . Asshole 14 yearold programmers also can't use c++ right!
Can someone tell me the best way to upgrade between the versions?
:)
I've been usin' and lovin' Moz for a long time now, but I'm always worried about going from one version to the next....can I just "cheat" and install overtop? Should I uninstall the old Moz first for the best stability? I tend to be anal in this area because I like my installs to be 'clean,' yet at the same time I'm lazy and want to do as little work as possible.
What is the most I can "get away" with?
Whoa. How come no one told me about the default-toolkit=gtk2 thingy? I only installed gtk-1.2 for Mozilla.
/tmp is on a 15k RPM Ultra320 SCSI drive with 8MB cache. I've had no problems with that level of optimization.
I compile with "-march=athlon -O3 -pipe", the pipe seems to cut the compile time down a bit, and I don't think it is so much because of my drive
Also, isn't oji enabled by default? I use the Blackdown OJI plugin just fine.
We have XBL to let us seperate concerns. Check it out.
Why can't Mozilla change themes on the fly anymore? With 1.0 you could apply a theme and it would instantly take effect, now it requires you to restart Mozilla for the new theme to work
Am I the only one here that is happy Mozilla 1.3 is out? After reading the posts here it sounds like /. would bitch if they were hung with a new rope.
:) While that may sound like I'm down-playing it, I truly love Mozilla and every new feature that comes with it.
Not at all. I've been using 1.3b since it came out (and 1.3a before that, mostly for the Bayesian SPAM filtering), and I'm quite tweaked that a new Mozilla is out. I use Mozilla exclusively on all my systems (Linux, FreeBSD, Win2k).
Memory usage doesn't bother me, I'm now up to half a gig of memory. Hard disk? Ha, nothing compared to an MSIE update. Load time? Negligable these days.
I think people like to bitch about the new features. Image sizing - which MSIE has, and is on by default (off by default in Moz); Bayesian filtering, which Outlook will likely never have; Popup killing integrated in the browser, which is even more improved than it was before (and is absolutely great -- I know IE users who've paid actual money for add-on popup killers that don't work half the time)...
Mozilla is the most wonderful thing to come from open source besides Linux and Apache, and MySQL and Perl and FreeBSD, in my opinion
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We looked into XUL as a solution to our content management system about 12 or 18 months ago, I don't remember, and my concept of time is seriously warped from the dor-com days.
At the time, they CLAIMED that you could do all this cool stuff with XUL, but the documentation (including the 1 ONE official book on XUL, sucked). They all focused on building the GUI inside of the Mozilla browser.
We were working with a potential partner that has a browser based application, whose bain of existance is IE's print feature (they log printing with their print button, but an IE print would trash that). The idea of a "stripped down" browser that would start at their screen would rock. Additionally, using XUL widgets would let them eliminate the frames and other garbage, making their app easier. They liked the idea of using a XUL toolbar instead of a frame with buttons.
Unfortunately, weeks of research through their docs went nowhere, and we worked on a Java solution, and the deal went south over time. Now we have our own Java based solution, and don't want to migrate to XUL.
The XUL + ECMAScript stuff should have been pushed earlier with proper documentation. Instead they pushed it to grab some marketshare when they weren't ready.
I love Camino/Chimera, and the other Gecko browsers (use Phoenix when on a Windows machine), but they missed a lot of time with not getting XUL as an early solution. They should have put out (early) some shells that you could start from then add your other functionality.
Sure, other projects have picked it up since then, but with the XUL + ECMAScript solution being the red-headed stepchild for a while, they lost some steam.
It'll happen, but every year that they wasted will take 2 years to recover, as growth has slowed down and projects chose other tech.
That said, I love Mozilla now, but I think that the shifting of priorities cost them mindshare that will be painful to recover.
Alex
I _HAVE_ noticed that Windows tries to swap Mozilla out of memory the first chance it gets.
What tool/program/technique do you use to determine this?
All the standards compliance of IE? Oh dear.
Still, it looks like a good project and yes on paper it looks better than IE. May be worth a shot.
Ah! That makes sense and I would tend to agree with you. Thank you for pointing out the difference.
Buy more ram.
I don't want knowledge. I want certainty. - Law, David Bowie
MS broke TCP to make IE faster when connecting to IIS by cutting TCP down from a three-way handshake to a two-way handshake.
"a low-level TCP hack that IE uses to get a small speed boost on IIS servers, while breaking TCP standards compliance."
here
Oh ya, it wouldn't be Microsoft it it didn't weaken security as well:
"It could also be a potential security risk, because if this is true, then it makes it very easy to IP-spoof a HTTP request against IIS (since the request is a self-contained packet instead of a long connection sequence)."
(I couldn't make stuff like this up if I tried!)
Fortunately, you can return the functionality by putting the following line in your prefs.js file:
yes
So maybe I am alone on this...
Yes, you are.
The best thing about the new release is that they brought the "Close other tabs" menu option back!!!!! w000t!!!!!!!
Gone are the days when I have to close one tab at a time! Hooray!
I'm with ya! Long Live Mozilla! It runs a little larger at 20 megs on my machine than IE but with memory being as cheap as it is I could care less with all the features. Maybe it's just me but I think it starts up quicker now than prior builds, but I miss the flaming monster startup screen splash! With WinAmp running at 20 megs I don't know how they can call this broswer bloated.
Where did you get the 95% figure? It's hard for me to find any sites that don't work in Mozilla, and I go to plenty of sites that use JavaScript and DHTML. When I do find a site that doesn't work in Mozilla, it's nearly always very poorly designed and it's just an accident that it happens to work in any browser.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
Listen closely...that whooshing sound is the joke flying right over your head and against the chalkboard.
I completely agree about the contention that Mozilla is swapped out a soon as possible. Leave it for a few minutes, and you click on it and a swap storm ensues, despite the fact that a hundred megs of memory is free.
It wouldn't be hard to do, given that they give the option to register as the default browser, and browser apps may require other unknown OS resources that MS could use to ID foreign browsers.
Hey, I'm just your average shit and piss factory.
If you think using C++ is the cause of their slowdown you are extremely misinformed.
Hey I think 1.3 rules. I'm using it right now. I just got the opportunity to import all my outlook mail and dump outlook 2k for the Mozilla email client with bayesian filtering. Spam should no longer be such a frustrating issue.
What tool/program/technique do you use to determine this?
Oh come on. If you want to hear about perfmon and vadump, go to some M$ newsgroup or something.
This is Slashdot, and it's a well established fact around here that
I agree, the 95% figure is way off, but he has a point. And most of the sites you are talking about (or at least the ones I've seen that resemble what you are talking about) are just old. It's not due to poor design, though. It's because they were made in an "era" when there was the IE way to do it or the Netscape 4.7 way to do it (layers) and neither way was standard but it was the only way to do it. Now Mozilla and Netscape 7 come along and don't support (or fix the support) of the Netscape 4.7 DHTML/CSS model and thus, the sites don't look right. But since IE still supports a lot of its older, IE-only stuff, the sites still look OK. I don't know if I agree that Mozilla should support "IE's DHTML model," but the problems aren't caused by poor site design, because the sites weren't poorly designed at the time.
There are obvious exceptions to this so please don't give me a big list.
I'm just saying, it's not an accident the sites worked in any browser. It's most likely that they worked in only one at the time because it was the only way to do it. Or the only feasible way to do it; who is going to write 38 lines of this-browser-only code when "this.hide" works in what 98% of the traffic is using? Probably not many people.
1.3 seems to be noticibly faster than 1.21...actually after testing it out on some sites, it is running quite a bit faster than 1.21. Good job I say!
I think there are two basic architecture issues that turn a lot of people off. The first is Javascript (ECMAscript). The only place this language has a foothold is in HTML. If the real goal is to have people write general applications, nobody uses javascript and so this meets a non-demand.
I'm not so certain Mozilla was created to meet this non-demand as it was to make Microsoft's worst fears about Netscape come true. IIRC, MS went after Netscape when they realized that the browser was a likely candidate for being a true cross-platform development platform, with complete applicaitons and everything. Realizing this, they had to crush netscape or else run the risk of having a whole slew of applications come out that didn't require Windows.
So, while going under, Netscape thought "Well, why don't we just make those worst fears come true? By opening up the source code and making it Free Software with a newer BSD-style license, Microsoft can't kill it, and nobody need fear the GPL with it."
Thus did the great lizard begin walking the murky depths of the ocean. Let's summon up the Lizard by developing applications with it, and it'll walk up from the Puget Sound and stomp it's way across East Seattle, sink down into Lake Washington, and once again arise. Spitting fire all the way through downtown Bellevue on its way into Redmond, where it will destroy the One Redmond Way.
Damn, I'm glad I live in eastgate. I'll get a ringside seat without having to move out of the Lizard's way.
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This may be an unpopular view, but this effort reminds me of the way another desktop environment developed. Creating more and more apps that rely on the mozilla codebase makes it central to the desktop... rather like IE.
To my knowledge, no desktops require Mozilla to work. Sure, GNOME has Nautilus (still? Or did they shitcan it?) which has Mozilla embedded, and Galeon is the GNOME browser, which has Mozilla embedded. However, and this is important. If Mozilla goes a direction these guys don't like, they can fork the code or put in a new renderer. YOU are not stuck with Mozilla, and you can change your directory browser (as far as I know, in KDE you can) and your default browser, and so forth.
The idea of making the browser integral with the desktop isn't inherently a bad idea, it's just that Microsoft did it specifically to drive Netscape out of business. Also, in doing so, Microsoft opened up holes in their system so big that Windows is now a whore to script kiddies. Any embedded MOzilla application doesn't run the risk at this time. (it might one day, but I don't think so)
It might be an unpopular view as far as Mozilla is concerned, just try to keep in mind that when you're talking about Free Software, the situation changes. It doesn't make it right (although in this case I think it is right), but it does change the way you have to evaluate the situation.
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Yeah. Thinking about it now that I am awake, you are right. I was just a little miffed about what I was hearing, got emotional, and let rip. I shoulda thought first.
If I ever meet you in the street, you can smack me with a rolled up news paper.
Just to let you all know: Opera 7.03 was released the same day.
Dude, did you really expect timothy to read the release notes, let alone understand them?
You have a lower user id than, you should have caught on by now!
-Bill
(Seriously though, thanks for pointing that out.)
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"4. If IE appears to be fast, it's because MS changed Windows so that IE is in memory all the time."
It's true, it's an integral part of the Win32 kernel now. The system keeps it loaded because it -IS- the system. How do I know this? Microsoft said so during the semi-recent monopoly procedings.
"2. If IE appears to be fast, it's because MS changed Windows so that IE is in memory all the time."
Wow! You managed to COMPLETELY ignore the entire parent thread! Congrads!
I have WinXP pro (legal) runnin on a system with half a gig of ram, if I let mozilla lose the focus for any length of time windows swaps mozilla to the disk even if I have mozilla using negligible memory to cashe pages. This does NOT happen to and idling games, graphics software, etc. This -only- happens to mozilla.
I'm willing to consider that the mozilla project guys set it to do that on windows and -NOT- on linux (I've tested for that on the same computer with the exact same mozilla settings) but I -really- don't see it as likely.
It's interesting to note, however, that it only started doing that to me after I installed an update that patched "Security Exploits in IE"...
Opera shrinks or magnifies images along with text, just press 0 to step up, 9 to shrink and 6 to reset to 100%. Also, 8 adds an extra 100% while 7 takes it away. There's also a handy dropdown list to change it for each window.
Opera 7.03 was released the same day as Moz 1.3. Go get it!
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
The new Mozilla ROCKS! It's noticably faster than 1.2.1, and I'm looking forward to seeing e-mails trickle into my Junk folders. Thanks very much to all the developers!
I fully agree! Try minimizing your browsing window, go do some work, come back in 5 mins... it takes a painfulllly long time to swap back in. It was faster launching the app the first time! That is my main pet peeve with Mozilla.
Random is the New Order.
To clarify this, you only need to manually mark messages as junk or non-junk that have been incorrectly classified (either way).
That is, if the mail is already correctly auto-classified as ham, then you don't need to touch it -- it will be analyzed and data on it will be saved. If it is correctly auto-classified as junk, then the same applies -- you don't need to change it.
If it is incorrectly classified as junk (i.e., it is ham but marked as spam), then you should reclassify it as ham (mark as non junk; toggle the junk icon) for the system to learn correctly.
Likewise if it is incorrectly classified as non-junk (i.e., it is spam but marked as ham) -- reclassify it as junk to for the system to learn correctly.
Derek
Doesn't work with IMAP though.
> Because Mozilla happens to tbe the only app you have that uses
> the particular functionality that's buggy in the driver, whatever
> that is?
The newest Sun Java implementation for Windows does work around
a crashing bug with ATI drivers. I experienced the bug myself.
It is likely related to this one.
> The first is Javascript (ECMAscript)
You can do all the same things with Python. There are Python bindings for XPCOM and you could have Python script files instead of ECMAScript ones....
Why?
That practice seems brain dead.
Between "" is what was quoted, the rest is own text. Don't change the quote by putting your own delimiters between "".
This is how I think it.
- Jack typed "let's eat", and started eating.
= Jack typed "let's eat" (10 characters)
- Jack typed "let's eat," and started eating.
= Jack typed "let's eat," (11 characters)
(yea I know, saying works better than typing in this sentence, but speaking commas makes no sense)
I guess English grammar says otherwise.
But I'm not English...
And I know, this is way off-topic.
Ok, whose stupid idea was it to make it so you need to triple click on the address bar to select all the text in the url?
I have the same issue and precisely in releation to web comics as well. Unfortunately all the autosizing feature does is shrink images that are too large and only when you are viewing an image, and not pages with images.
That being said, I have utterly despised the IE autoresize (I was forced to use IE and leave the feature on for a while) but I actually have it on for the time being in mozilla for the sole reason that I can quickly switch off and on the resizing by simply clicking on the picture where as in IE you would have to hover for quite a few seconds until a toolbar appears and then click a button in there.
The nightly builds support AA but it isn't enabled by default. I'm using this in my user.js:
pref("font.FreeType2.enable", true);
pref("font.FreeType2.autohinted", false);
pref("font.FreeType2.unhinted", false);
pref("font.antialias.min", 0);
Wow, I just realised when copying the above code that Ctrl-click selects entire table cells!
Mozilla looks like absolute shit without smooth fonts
I have to disagree. I've been battling with anti-aliased fonts for a while now, starting with BeOS a few years back, OSX is heavily AAsed, and now they seem to be creeping in to stuff like Mozilla. I just don't like them, I find they make text look muddy and strain my eyes which I really don't need when I stare at a monitor for over 9 hours a day. Hard copy printed text isn't anti-aliased, so why the need to do it on a computer screen? Give me crisp, clear text any day.
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Yes, note the name POPfile
No comma is needed after the quotation because "started eating" is a dependent clause.
And my kids can't wait for Mozilla-the-Flamethrower...
In TUX we trust
sheesh
That the idea to use it as a platform to develope portable applications (using ECMAScript + XUL) is catching on slower than some people would expect.
That's because it's not done very well. It can be done a lot better.
Right-Click on image and select "Block Images from this Server".
However, you lost also some other icons.
To return banners, use
Tools -> Image Manager -> Manage Image permissions
That's great. A feature I don't need, and never have. Individual image loading tho, I miss from v3 and 4. Too hard eh? Rather remove the menu option than fix the now 3yr old bug?
Shame. A dozen full time and a few mill other contributors, and a cop out.
Sorry, but unless you have the patience of a saint, Opera for Linux is the way to go. It's the best browser for said os, hands down.
Even with the annoying banners.
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As long as you're in the DNS code fixing the ignored TTL's, add some support for SRV records. I'm tired of typing "www".
If they released it on schedule, you'd probably be one of the first people to complain about the bugs that were left in. Be quiet.
Together, we will drive the rats from the tundra.
This qualifies you as a *terrorist* for attempting to instigate a network DDOS attack.
You should hear the gorillas at your door any minute now, enjoy your stay at Guantanamo Bay.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
I tried 1.3 during the beta run and I noticed that the best feature of Mozilla was missing. The ability to turn off pop-up windows. Is this gone in the final version also? This was the main reason I'm running it, and I do agree with the image resizing thing also, it stinks.
The problem is that there are only 2 spam states in the Mozilla client: Junk and Not Junk. By default everything is not junk. As new mail comes in you mark the junk mail as such, everything not marked junk is assumed to be not junk. The only time that you'd ever have to mark something as not junk is when Mozilla accidently marks it as junk. So no, you're wasting your time marking a few hundred mails as not junk.
Dissolve... Resolve... Evolve...
You can sort your bookmarks in the bookmark manager, and this is reflected in the bookmarks sidebar, but NOT in the bookmarks menu! This bug has been around for way too long, and IMHO is in a *very* visible part of the GUI, I use this menu all the time and would really like it to be sorted.
Can this be so hard to fix, please, pretty please?
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Quote from mozilla.org: Warning: A Slashdot article published on 3/13/03 incorrectly stated that the Mozilla 1.3 final release is applying machine learning to autocomplete. Please keep in mind that Mozilla 1.3 does NOT contain the data collection or the learning code that we talk about on this page. That code only shipped with 1.3 BETA and was taken out in time for the 1.3 final release. Data collection and learning will only work with the 1.3 BETA builds.
Is this true? It seems a very important issue. Is there anybody from the Mozilla team that can clarify this issue or point out the relevant documentation?
What about OeOne's Homebase Desktop?
Cars are the most efficient way to transport people.
Why should we care about the environment?
Industrial produced meat is the more efficient way to produce protein.
Why should we care about chickens in inhumane conditions?
There are people that have principles and live by them. Then are the others that use the best tool for the job without caring about the implications of their choices.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I was referring to the set of notes linked to at:
/make corrections/. (And they seem to emphasize also making corrections). In fact, the way the default system is presented (user interface), it looks like you only have to make corrections, and this appears to be what people are assuming.
http://www.mozilla.org/mailnews/spam.html
Unfortunately it was late and I didn't "refer to them" enough (too early in the morning, just got home from a live show).
I think you're right and I'm wrong about the implementation, but I think it is a flaw not to have the mail auto-statistics-gathered when it is auto-classified.
As it stands, mail that is not manually marked either way by the user is considered neutral as far as statistics gathering goes. (Even though there is no "neutral" display/description on it and the system will still show its automatically-determined junk classification).
When statistics are gathered on a message (when it is manually marked either way), the statistics can be "undone" and "redone" in the opposite direction by manually toggling the mark on the message.
It is true that a feedback loop will develop to degrade filtering if the system were to auto-statistics-gather when it auto-classifies, but only if the user doesn't make corrections. They've declared that for the system to work, the user must declare spam, ham, and
So my (new) point is that so long as they're asking the user to make corrections, it doesn't make any sense not to have the mail auto-statistics-gathered on arrival when it is auto-classified. Users "have" to correct it anyway. Once they understand the system, they'll almost certainly be correcting false positives, and should be happily marking junk that was incorrectly labelled non-junk, so all that's left is correctly identified mail. Why bother to "remark", as it were, only to get the system to analyze it. To have to deliberately mark already correctly marked messages is a waste of time, especially when the user it already asked to toggle incorrectly marked messages.
Deliberately marking correctly marked messages also means you have to mark every message you receive one way or the other. That's a waste especially when (over time) the system is correctly marking most of them.
I can see some small usefulness in not auto-statistics-gathering, but I think the advantages of auto-gathering outweigh the non-gathering, especially since I have carpal tunnel and have to save my mouse moves, clicks, and typing.
Why should I bother marking junk that eventually will get auto-moved to a junk folder? Why should I bother marking all my non-junk that is probably already marked non-junk? I will definitely bother to mark junk that wasn't marked before as junk (probably won't be that much after a short time, according to reports). And I'll definitely mark as non-junk false-positives (apparently also not that much). Correctly identified mail will make up the bulk of the messages you receive, and by using auto-gathering, you only have to mark the lesser portion of your mail (incorrectly marked mail).
As it stands, you have to mark -every- message to get statistics gathering, which practically defeats the purpose of the system. You can get equivalent statistics gathering by just auto-gathering and making corrections, which will work for users because people are encouraged to make corrections already and that appears to be what they are doing.
It's true that the purpose of the system is to get junk out of your way, which it will do if you've collected enough basic statistics and don't bother to collect any more (except on corrections), but by definiton the system only works if you keep making corrections so I think you might as well auto-gather if users "have" to make corrections regardless.
It's also true that mathematically after a certain point statistics may not have to be gathered for any mail that doesn't need to be corrected (as long as falsely-identified mail is corrected and stats are gath
yup... gotta luv not being a /.subscriber ... did not get the new Mozilla announcement from "the mysterious future" and will be able to snag it after the hype has subsided and more bugs have been iorned out in a couple of weeks, it may be even included in my favourite Linux Mag DVD ...
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I smell a hole, of the security kind ...
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Nah, you know the thing is, most anti-aliasing looks shitty because it isn't meant for reading, it is meant for graphics.
However, if you can get sub-pixel rendering of the fonts on an LCD, it absolutley ROCKS!! It effectively doubles (or triples?) the font resolution.
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Just human observation. Minimize the Mozilla window or bring another in front of it, wait a few minutes, and then bring it back to the front (or restore) and after the title bar shows up you get to sit for about 15 - 20 seconds while listening to the hard drive crunch.
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The smoothest around.
Try to uninstall Mozilla!
It includes an "undo" feature which reopens any tab you mistakingly closed...and much much more.e nsions .html.en
My favorite plugin so far.
http://white.sakura.ne.jp/~piro/xul/_tabext
According to a poll conducted on MozillaZine's forum dedicated to the extensions to Mozilla.
t abextensions .html.en ...). My favorite.
s growing, and growing, and...so much so that several other plugins have now become irrelevant!
c ategory=a pplications&view=prefbar
/ en/
Tabbrowser Extensions
http://white.sakura.ne.jp/~piro/xul/_
Everything you never imagined you could do with tabs (Colors! Undo!
MULTIZILLA
http://multizilla.mozdev.org/
Keep
Use version 1.3.2 with Mozilla 1.3, and version 1.4 with Mozilla 1.4 nightlies.
OPTIMOZ (MOUSE GESTURES COMMANDS)
http://optimoz.mozdev.org/
Associate a mouse button to precise movements of the mouse to trigger commands (backward,...).
AdBlock
http://adblock.mozdev.org/
Banner Blind
http://bannerblind.mozdev.org/
Names says it all!
ENIGMAIL (PGP - GPG)
http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
PREFERENCES TOOLBAR
http://xulplanet.com/downloads/view.cgi?
Trigger your preferences much faster!
Spellchecker
http://spellchecker.mozdev.org/
Googlebar
http://googlebar.mozdev.org/
qlookup: add Google and Dictionary lookups to the context menu
http://qlookup.mozdev.org/
The Home Button (for the Navigation Toolbar)
http://home.no.net/trihand/mozilla/home
Bookmarks Button in Full Screen Mode
http://mozdev.mirrors.nyphp.org/cdn/fs/
Slap up a web page that uses python and XUL and I'll see how well my stock Mozilla browser handles it.
Having to rebuild to get AA fonts is a daft situation and I can understand why the other chap is so irritated. This is a fundamental design flaw in the system that should have been resolved YEARS ago. I was using AA fonts in Windows NT4 five years ago. I didn't have to do anything special - just enable it in the system properties. The whole X11 system is ridiculous with its multiple methods for rendering fonts - it should be one API/ABI with the actual implementation controlled via other means independently to apps. Statically linking the implementation in to each app is just plain dumb.
How long does it take to download, build and install (emerge???) something like this? Especially if it has to update other parts of the system such as XFree86. How much disk space does all that require?
I've been using AA fonts since I discovered them in NT4 about five years ago. I can't live without them. It's put me off using X11 as it is so horrible without them. I've found Mozilla under Linux unusable. I've just finished upgrading to XFree86 4.3.0 and KDE 3.1 and it looks amazing. Konquerer and Mozilla 1.0.2 side-by-side really bring the point home. Non-AA is harder to read. Running at 1280x1024@24 bit. So... now I have to build Mozilla as there won't be any Xft enabled builds for my environment :(
What, are you running a low-res or something? I find staring at jagged non-AA fonts for 9 hours a day extremely straining, especially as the fonts get smaller. It sounds to me like you've been using a poor implementation... they *should* be clearer. As for hard copy: HP introduced a similar technique in to their laser printers over a decade ago. More importantly, the DPI of print is much higher than on screen, which reduces the aliasing artifacts.
well, i started a build of: mozilla, fluxbox, kde 3.1 (all of it), xfree 4.3.0, and a few support packages (freetype, etc) that were dependencies and it finished overnight on a Athlon XP 1900+ w/512M ram, and that was without using ccache or distcc. As far as disk space, I don't worry about it cause I have a few dozen gigs free usually. I would think that the temporary build directories take up a few hundred megs...
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There is a principle difference between criminal firms who act in an illegal way and (criminal) governments, that break international law.
p ons_of_mass_deception)
As far as the Sodium Cyanid is concered: The delivery is surely not carried out by the german government, whereas the war in Iraq was already planed years ago by the people, who got to power by a controversial court decision.
How far will the American executive go? Do you really want to offend all your allies, until nobody is left when you need them?
BTW, you should sincerely verify the information you get in your media. Look at: "Weapons of mass deception" (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Wea
Doofus - IRAQ, not IRAK.
This is where the bloodthirsty license agreement is supposed to go,
explaining that Interactive Easyflow is a copyrighted package licensed for
use by a single person, and sternly warning you not to pirate copies of it
and explaining, in detail, the gory consequences if you do.
We know that you are an honest person, and are not going to go around
pirating copies of Interactive Easyflow; this is just as well with us since
we worked hard to perfect it and selling copies of it is our only method of
making anything out of all the hard work.
If, on the other hand, you are one of those few people who do go
around pirating copies of software you probably aren't going to pay much
attention to a license agreement, bloodthirsty or not. Just keep your doors
locked and look out for the HavenTree attack shark.
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