I'm with a couple of these other posters. If a student had done this, it would have been "call the police, kick him out school, insist on psychological counseling". Teachers do this and "appropriate action will be taken". BS. Why? Just because they are teachers? Or adults? or both?
Zero tolerance is stupid to begin with. It's complete BS for teachers to be permitted this type of behavior, but a kid tells a friend he wants to shoot the school bully gets interrogated like he's Osama Bin Ladin. Whether this is a good idea or not is not near the issue of the inherent unfairness in assuming a teacher is any more trustworthy than a student based on job or age...they aren't.
1. It doesn't CURE cancer of any kind including cervical. It keeps you from catching 4 strains of HPV, granted the most common, but only 4. You still have to go get up in the stirrups for your regular exam just in case you catch it from one of the other 78 strains out there, or from something completely unrelated.
2. Vioxx anyone? Merck lost quite a bit of money on that little screw up and noone finds it suspicious that the company is trying to push through and mandate a vaccine that costs $360 dollars for a series of shots? I have heard cases of some women being charged quit a bit more.
3. Here's your options: a vaccine that may or may not have long term health effects, which we wouldn't know because of substandard testing, while STILL having all gyno appointments and still risking getting cervical cancer from another strain of HPV or outside cause OR, just the gyno appointmnents and no vaccine risk and still the risk of getting cervical cancer from another yadda yadda yadda.
4. HPV commonly clears up itself. I was one of the few who actually got a strain that didn't and moved on into cancer. It took me one inpatient regularly scheduled gyno appoint to catch it (I had no idea I had it), a second quick visit to remove it, and a 3rd visit to be sure we got it, plus we watch all my paps since to be certain. Cervical cancer affects a very small portion of women, it's dropping every year WITHOUT the vaccine, and if you die of it it's because you are old, unhealthy, or weren't keeping up with those gyno appointments.
I have an 11 year old daughter, she will not be attending school next year if this is still mandated in Texas. My child is NOONE's test subject. It is LESS risk to not get the vaccine than to get it. Please, use a little common sense. Take it or don't, but don't just assume because some company says "yay it's good for you" that you absolutely MUST have it.
Again, when your education is abstinence only (and these people have and will lie about he effectiveness of condoms to push their agenda), then your choices are no sex and unprotected sex. I wouldn't blame them for not having the proper information when they are getting such misinformation.
They do have abstinence ONLY education...and wow, it's still spreading. Maybe you should speak to the US government about getting off thier religious high horse and adopting a more realistic approach to halting the spread of AIDS, ie condoms.
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I'm sure we can demand they "stop fucking" when all the rest of us decide to. Just because you MIGHT get hit by a car backing out of the driveway doesn't stop you from going to the movies...
I think they are thinking of this:
I believe A. You believe B. I entertain the idea that I could be wrong, but due to evidence otherwise or whatever that I'm right. You however fully believe I'm wrong and refuse to accept that YOU could be wrong.
Yes, I do actually realize that I could be wrong in what I believe...yet I believe it because it's what's right for me. And allow you that you may be entirely correct in what you believe, as it doesn't affect what I believe. And we're all happy! And amazingly tolerant!
One has to wonder if it's exactly this reaction that wouldn't lead to Xians really being persecuted, even put to death. You see that there are those that already believe that it's ruining our country. And quite a few people are getting sick of the fundie attitude promoted by those that yell the loudest. Perhaps of the real Xians stand up and stand against the "Pharisees", then people would quit targetting Christianity and target those falsely practicing it.
You know who would take this over? Prostitutes.
As far as I know it's perfectly legal to exchange sex for Yootles...Not to mention improving the exchange rate by throwing in a little *coughs*something extra....and as no money is exchanging hands, that would get them out of entrapment.
Where did that come from you ask?I don't know, but there it is.
Why not point out that our athletes are higher paid in obscene amounts than our cops, teachers, firemen, and yes, most academics. I would say that it obviously places the importance of athletes over those other jobs. Not to mention children would rather be an athlete and be a star football player where the community cheers him every weekend and he can get a football draft than a "nerd", who noone but his parents really notice. Who cheers on the nerd every weekend? I tend to notice the nerd doesn't get the prettiest girl, the pats on the back, nor can a nerd get excused from class to go follow a more meaningful interest than his team is playing tonight. When there are riots in the street because a team won or lost, but not over the state of government or the abuse of science..one does have to wonder where the people of America's priorities are...in 10 years whether that team won or lost will be meaningless, but where our government is as it relates to it's actions now will be VERY important, good or bad.
I don't know why anyone's excited, sure Rummy's out, but one of Bushie boy's bestfriends is most likely on his way in. What we should be discussing is what we're trading Rummy for...worse or better?
The idea that we are here to help a friend dig themselves out of some hole of misery they've dug themselves goes against nature entirely. It's one thing to be there when something happens that they can't control (their mom dies, family member is sick) and a whole 'nother thing to play mommy because they are too stupid to see that 15 hours of WoW every day is a bad idea. umm...DUH!
Look, responsibility for one's actions is required, not an option, to be able to be seen as an adult. I'm not going to be another apologist because someone is "addicted" to WoW or "addicted" togambling. It's called no self control. That's it. Therefore, they are animals, sure, pity them. But don't spend wasted time trying to dig them out of a hole they dug themselves. In situations like that, the problem doesn't get fixed until they recognize it and want to get out of it. YOu can be as nice and sweet as you want for as long as you want, but until they become an adult, they aren't worth the timeand effort and yes, pain. When they recognize thier own childishnesss (yes, lack of self control is a sign of being a child) and idiocy then they can get help. And when they do finally get around to growing up, we shouldn't cheer them on. You don't reward someone for doing what they should be doing anyway. Otherwise why should any of us act like adults (other than not to be condescended to by the apologists), I mean we could all be children. I'm sure someone can make an excuse for why none of us have to grow up.
I'm whiny??? Me? The one who can think for herself, solve her own problems herself acheived true adulthood (without the need fo some parent replacement watching over my shoulder). So the wienies out there that can't get their crap together are not whiny? I'M not the whiny one, and I'm not going to sit and watch over some supposed adults shoulder and tell them when they are "taking things too far". If that's what they want to do, then that's what they want to do.
This is about taking responsibility for yourself, and the responsibilities you have to the people who are around you. Reasonable people rely on their friends for good advice, because reasonable people understand the fact that they are not perfect and not always correct. Sometimes you need those around you to tell you to shape up. That is something you should be able to expect from and do for your friends. If you are not willing, then i feel very bad for you and the people you know.
Responsibility for those around me only extends to my children who can't be responsible for themselves. I'm not here to mommy my friends. I'm here to be there for them when they need a friend or have fun with them. If they can't figure out how to live their life correctly, I've made the wrong friends. And since all of MY friends don't have that trouble, then I don't have to play mommy to them. I mean, I don't know about you, but my friends are not animals. They are all capable of rational thought and able to use that ability to make decisions for their own lives.
As far as the Darwin comment, it's like this. I let stupid people do their stupid things and clean out the gene pool. Makes room for those of us strong enough to be real people. I also believe in assisted suicide (whether for the person so sick and in pain to feel they have a quality of life, or for the person so depressed they feel they have nothing to live for). Why? Because presumably we are discussing adults and if they want to kill themselves for any reason, why not let them? Yes, even if it's someone I love. Why? I'm not so selfish as to demand they live thier lives so I don't suffer pain. That's the price of love, to suffer pain. But just because we care for someone or love them doesn't make either of us obligated to live our lives so everyone else doesn't feel pain. So again, I let adults make their own decisions, I don't tell them the risks of their behavior because, as people with logic and reason, I hope they've taken responsibility enough for themselves to consdier their actions. And if not, well, the stupid in the end knock theirselvs out of the pool so that the rest of us can progress.
Well said! Beautiful idea going horribly horribly wrong currently. And I just don't see how they are going to attract and keep FL businesses with this model at all...and that's gonna send us all down the tubes.
Hey, Jay-Z isn't going to yell out at the computer screen "Hey Jalestra!" when I walk in the room...but Mel Cheeky does! So yeah, it's live, she sees me enter the room, says hi, asks about my classes or my most recent build and we hear great music in real time in a much more intimate kind of way than watching MTV or going to the nearest concert hall.
I'm pretty certain if ANY of my hobbies started that shit I'd start up a picket or something. Like I need a daddy, I moved out of my house to be AWAY from my parents, not get a new one that doesn't even give me an allowance. Hell, that'd be demanding me to PAY for a parent every month. SUPPOSEDLY, I'm an adult now and can be RESPONSIBLE enough to pay attention to what I'm doing and stop it when it becomes a problem. When did everyone regress and leave me behind?
I don't play Wow, so as not an addict, I have to say I agree. YOU are the one pushing yourself to do those thints. I have played other games, and you can actually say, I have a life outside and hey, this item is good enough for me, see you later guys.
I don't know what the hoopla is about anyhow, I played WoW for 6 months. The grapics were substandard, it was repetitious, and it got boring really fast.
and i don't think that a lot of people think through their actions, or, particularly in the case of addictive behaviors, the risk of certain behaviors snowballing out of control.
So it's not enough I take care of me and mine and remember I was taught to think about the consequences of my actions, but now I have to mommy someone else into it or think for them? Better yet, why don't we go back in time and raise them correctly? You got a better chance of that happening than me thinking through some idiot's actions and risks for them so they don't smowball out of control.
There is in fact a difference between telling people how to live their life, and making sure that they are aware of the potential consequences of their actions.
That's the concern, if they didn't think through the consequences to start with, I don't see why I gotta play mommy and *make* the do their homework. Presumeably we are talking about adults...and if they really are adults, then they take responsibility for their behavior and actions and think things through. And if they aren't, well, *shrugs* I subscribe to Darwin anyhow.
I was depressive...we all have our little dark time. I was suicidal, I was a cutter before it was cool among the dark crowd. Noone gave me a hand up, I fixed my own problems. Sorry to tell you, it's a CHOICE. And I CHOSE to find a way out, regardless of the cost. Turns out the cost was me working a hell of a lot harder to remove myself from my situation. Was tiring, sometimes a bit painful, sometimes a lot painful, but I did it. You can CHOOSE to live that way or CHOOSE to get out of it. I'm not saying it isn't hard, but I AM saying, if you are in it, it's because you CHOSE to be.
Every once in a while I fall back into a state of depression, and I can pick up the bottle or CHOOSE not to pick up the bottle. I CHOOSE not to. I still WANT to, damn do I WANT to, but I CHOOSE not to.
Your way is just a crutch waiting to happen. Just waiting for the right moment for that person to CHOOSE to say "The WANT overwhelmed me! It's not my fault!" My way is forever.
But wouldn't that be more like breaking a promise or failure to hold up your end of an agreement? Both of which are not, technically, theft itself, tho one is illegal.
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I'm with a couple of these other posters. If a student had done this, it would have been "call the police, kick him out school, insist on psychological counseling". Teachers do this and "appropriate action will be taken". BS. Why? Just because they are teachers? Or adults? or both? Zero tolerance is stupid to begin with. It's complete BS for teachers to be permitted this type of behavior, but a kid tells a friend he wants to shoot the school bully gets interrogated like he's Osama Bin Ladin. Whether this is a good idea or not is not near the issue of the inherent unfairness in assuming a teacher is any more trustworthy than a student based on job or age...they aren't.
and btw, there IS a booster shot...5 years.
1. It doesn't CURE cancer of any kind including cervical. It keeps you from catching 4 strains of HPV, granted the most common, but only 4. You still have to go get up in the stirrups for your regular exam just in case you catch it from one of the other 78 strains out there, or from something completely unrelated.
2. Vioxx anyone? Merck lost quite a bit of money on that little screw up and noone finds it suspicious that the company is trying to push through and mandate a vaccine that costs $360 dollars for a series of shots? I have heard cases of some women being charged quit a bit more.
3. Here's your options: a vaccine that may or may not have long term health effects, which we wouldn't know because of substandard testing, while STILL having all gyno appointments and still risking getting cervical cancer from another strain of HPV or outside cause OR, just the gyno appointmnents and no vaccine risk and still the risk of getting cervical cancer from another yadda yadda yadda.
4. HPV commonly clears up itself. I was one of the few who actually got a strain that didn't and moved on into cancer. It took me one inpatient regularly scheduled gyno appoint to catch it (I had no idea I had it), a second quick visit to remove it, and a 3rd visit to be sure we got it, plus we watch all my paps since to be certain. Cervical cancer affects a very small portion of women, it's dropping every year WITHOUT the vaccine, and if you die of it it's because you are old, unhealthy, or weren't keeping up with those gyno appointments.
I have an 11 year old daughter, she will not be attending school next year if this is still mandated in Texas. My child is NOONE's test subject. It is LESS risk to not get the vaccine than to get it. Please, use a little common sense. Take it or don't, but don't just assume because some company says "yay it's good for you" that you absolutely MUST have it.
Again, when your education is abstinence only (and these people have and will lie about he effectiveness of condoms to push their agenda), then your choices are no sex and unprotected sex. I wouldn't blame them for not having the proper information when they are getting such misinformation.
They do have abstinence ONLY education...and wow, it's still spreading. Maybe you should speak to the US government about getting off thier religious high horse and adopting a more realistic approach to halting the spread of AIDS, ie condoms.
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I'm sure we can demand they "stop fucking" when all the rest of us decide to. Just because you MIGHT get hit by a car backing out of the driveway doesn't stop you from going to the movies...
I just wish people would let us Christians go about our business and stop bothering us. We kind of wish you'd do the same in regards to us...
I think they are thinking of this: I believe A. You believe B. I entertain the idea that I could be wrong, but due to evidence otherwise or whatever that I'm right. You however fully believe I'm wrong and refuse to accept that YOU could be wrong. Yes, I do actually realize that I could be wrong in what I believe...yet I believe it because it's what's right for me. And allow you that you may be entirely correct in what you believe, as it doesn't affect what I believe. And we're all happy! And amazingly tolerant!
One has to wonder if it's exactly this reaction that wouldn't lead to Xians really being persecuted, even put to death. You see that there are those that already believe that it's ruining our country. And quite a few people are getting sick of the fundie attitude promoted by those that yell the loudest. Perhaps of the real Xians stand up and stand against the "Pharisees", then people would quit targetting Christianity and target those falsely practicing it.
You mean omnipotent god there didn't see that coming? If he's all knowing, why not cut out the middle man?
You know who would take this over? Prostitutes. As far as I know it's perfectly legal to exchange sex for Yootles...Not to mention improving the exchange rate by throwing in a little *coughs*something extra....and as no money is exchanging hands, that would get them out of entrapment. Where did that come from you ask?I don't know, but there it is.
Why not point out that our athletes are higher paid in obscene amounts than our cops, teachers, firemen, and yes, most academics. I would say that it obviously places the importance of athletes over those other jobs. Not to mention children would rather be an athlete and be a star football player where the community cheers him every weekend and he can get a football draft than a "nerd", who noone but his parents really notice. Who cheers on the nerd every weekend? I tend to notice the nerd doesn't get the prettiest girl, the pats on the back, nor can a nerd get excused from class to go follow a more meaningful interest than his team is playing tonight. When there are riots in the street because a team won or lost, but not over the state of government or the abuse of science..one does have to wonder where the people of America's priorities are...in 10 years whether that team won or lost will be meaningless, but where our government is as it relates to it's actions now will be VERY important, good or bad.
That isn't necessarily due to too many choices and most likely due to too many crappy choices.
I don't know why anyone's excited, sure Rummy's out, but one of Bushie boy's bestfriends is most likely on his way in. What we should be discussing is what we're trading Rummy for...worse or better?
Psych 101 huh? Keep going..I'm just enthralled...
The idea that we are here to help a friend dig themselves out of some hole of misery they've dug themselves goes against nature entirely. It's one thing to be there when something happens that they can't control (their mom dies, family member is sick) and a whole 'nother thing to play mommy because they are too stupid to see that 15 hours of WoW every day is a bad idea. umm...DUH!
Look, responsibility for one's actions is required, not an option, to be able to be seen as an adult. I'm not going to be another apologist because someone is "addicted" to WoW or "addicted" togambling. It's called no self control. That's it. Therefore, they are animals, sure, pity them. But don't spend wasted time trying to dig them out of a hole they dug themselves. In situations like that, the problem doesn't get fixed until they recognize it and want to get out of it. YOu can be as nice and sweet as you want for as long as you want, but until they become an adult, they aren't worth the timeand effort and yes, pain. When they recognize thier own childishnesss (yes, lack of self control is a sign of being a child) and idiocy then they can get help. And when they do finally get around to growing up, we shouldn't cheer them on. You don't reward someone for doing what they should be doing anyway. Otherwise why should any of us act like adults (other than not to be condescended to by the apologists), I mean we could all be children. I'm sure someone can make an excuse for why none of us have to grow up.
what a whiny and unpragmatic point of view.
I'm whiny??? Me? The one who can think for herself, solve her own problems herself acheived true adulthood (without the need fo some parent replacement watching over my shoulder). So the wienies out there that can't get their crap together are not whiny? I'M not the whiny one, and I'm not going to sit and watch over some supposed adults shoulder and tell them when they are "taking things too far". If that's what they want to do, then that's what they want to do. This is about taking responsibility for yourself, and the responsibilities you have to the people who are around you. Reasonable people rely on their friends for good advice, because reasonable people understand the fact that they are not perfect and not always correct. Sometimes you need those around you to tell you to shape up. That is something you should be able to expect from and do for your friends. If you are not willing, then i feel very bad for you and the people you know. Responsibility for those around me only extends to my children who can't be responsible for themselves. I'm not here to mommy my friends. I'm here to be there for them when they need a friend or have fun with them. If they can't figure out how to live their life correctly, I've made the wrong friends. And since all of MY friends don't have that trouble, then I don't have to play mommy to them. I mean, I don't know about you, but my friends are not animals. They are all capable of rational thought and able to use that ability to make decisions for their own lives. As far as the Darwin comment, it's like this. I let stupid people do their stupid things and clean out the gene pool. Makes room for those of us strong enough to be real people. I also believe in assisted suicide (whether for the person so sick and in pain to feel they have a quality of life, or for the person so depressed they feel they have nothing to live for). Why? Because presumably we are discussing adults and if they want to kill themselves for any reason, why not let them? Yes, even if it's someone I love. Why? I'm not so selfish as to demand they live thier lives so I don't suffer pain. That's the price of love, to suffer pain. But just because we care for someone or love them doesn't make either of us obligated to live our lives so everyone else doesn't feel pain. So again, I let adults make their own decisions, I don't tell them the risks of their behavior because, as people with logic and reason, I hope they've taken responsibility enough for themselves to consdier their actions. And if not, well, the stupid in the end knock theirselvs out of the pool so that the rest of us can progress.
Well said! Beautiful idea going horribly horribly wrong currently. And I just don't see how they are going to attract and keep FL businesses with this model at all...and that's gonna send us all down the tubes.
Hey, Jay-Z isn't going to yell out at the computer screen "Hey Jalestra!" when I walk in the room...but Mel Cheeky does! So yeah, it's live, she sees me enter the room, says hi, asks about my classes or my most recent build and we hear great music in real time in a much more intimate kind of way than watching MTV or going to the nearest concert hall.
Then again, we might build our own damn house!
I'm pretty certain if ANY of my hobbies started that shit I'd start up a picket or something. Like I need a daddy, I moved out of my house to be AWAY from my parents, not get a new one that doesn't even give me an allowance. Hell, that'd be demanding me to PAY for a parent every month. SUPPOSEDLY, I'm an adult now and can be RESPONSIBLE enough to pay attention to what I'm doing and stop it when it becomes a problem. When did everyone regress and leave me behind?
I don't play Wow, so as not an addict, I have to say I agree. YOU are the one pushing yourself to do those thints. I have played other games, and you can actually say, I have a life outside and hey, this item is good enough for me, see you later guys. I don't know what the hoopla is about anyhow, I played WoW for 6 months. The grapics were substandard, it was repetitious, and it got boring really fast.
and i don't think that a lot of people think through their actions, or, particularly in the case of addictive behaviors, the risk of certain behaviors snowballing out of control. So it's not enough I take care of me and mine and remember I was taught to think about the consequences of my actions, but now I have to mommy someone else into it or think for them? Better yet, why don't we go back in time and raise them correctly? You got a better chance of that happening than me thinking through some idiot's actions and risks for them so they don't smowball out of control. There is in fact a difference between telling people how to live their life, and making sure that they are aware of the potential consequences of their actions. That's the concern, if they didn't think through the consequences to start with, I don't see why I gotta play mommy and *make* the do their homework. Presumeably we are talking about adults...and if they really are adults, then they take responsibility for their behavior and actions and think things through. And if they aren't, well, *shrugs* I subscribe to Darwin anyhow.
Obviously they do have an addictive personality, it was just a matter of finding their poison...
I was depressive...we all have our little dark time. I was suicidal, I was a cutter before it was cool among the dark crowd. Noone gave me a hand up, I fixed my own problems. Sorry to tell you, it's a CHOICE. And I CHOSE to find a way out, regardless of the cost. Turns out the cost was me working a hell of a lot harder to remove myself from my situation. Was tiring, sometimes a bit painful, sometimes a lot painful, but I did it. You can CHOOSE to live that way or CHOOSE to get out of it. I'm not saying it isn't hard, but I AM saying, if you are in it, it's because you CHOSE to be. Every once in a while I fall back into a state of depression, and I can pick up the bottle or CHOOSE not to pick up the bottle. I CHOOSE not to. I still WANT to, damn do I WANT to, but I CHOOSE not to. Your way is just a crutch waiting to happen. Just waiting for the right moment for that person to CHOOSE to say "The WANT overwhelmed me! It's not my fault!" My way is forever.
i love you....
But wouldn't that be more like breaking a promise or failure to hold up your end of an agreement? Both of which are not, technically, theft itself, tho one is illegal.