Interesting, but isn't Openoffice the generally accepted reference implimentation, even if it is not 100% of the way there yet? I'm pretty sure the other apps in the MS blog list use OpenOffice.org that way too. Really, there is no real excuse.
And yet, is it fundamentally a bad thing? We give less-than-stable humans that responsibility all the time.
That is the obvious part my friend. The question is when something goes wrong with a robot instead of a human, how much harder will it be to stop? I think the feeling of powerlessness also scares people.
Why don't you drop the $60 bucks on 10.3 disks? You can generally skip a few versions of Mac OS X, but you have gone over board. The Mac OS market isn't big enough for most companies to support that antiqued OS regardless. Bitch if you want, but that is how it is. A lot of core APIs were still forming then which exasperate things.
When open source projects start only supporting back to Mac OS 10.4, you know you have a problem. It means there aren't enough people out there. If you're brave, you can try porting FF3 to Mac OS 10.2. That is what people did with Mozilla on Mac OS 9 for a while. But it's much more fun to bitch, isn't it?
Anyway I stand by what I said about OS 10.2 refusing to display youtube.com, or install Flash Player, or run Firefox 3. That's pathetic. Even my ancient Windows 98 laptop will let me watch youtube or other website videos. Why can't OS 10.2? Makes no sense.
I'm not sure I see your point. Adobe has had spotty support for other OSs than Windows for a while. What were you expecting? For them to develop for a niche of a niche? They won't even release Linux PPC or 64-bit binaries.
I'm not going to say you're wrong, but at least rephrase what you said so that it sounds like some general Microsoft fud. How many of those are untriaged? How many will turn out to be dups? How many bugs were fixed for firefox 3?
Which brings up the point: Ubuntu is great for Linux gurus and complete newbies, but horrible for Windows switchers that fancy themselves computer savvy. The problems you just explained would just be worked around by a Linux guru with no fuss and the newbies wouldn't notice a problem in the first place because their computer is pre-setup and they don't look for advanced Windows features.
It pretty much ignored what the parent poster said and
It used statstics to prove it's point.
I'm sorry, but using polarized questions like "Even if you remove 'god guiding evolution' from the equation the numbers believing in strict creationism" is a recipe for disaster. It's a bit like how it's hard to get a worker to believe something when his job relies on him not believing. People are more realistic if you give them shades to choose from. If this was any other topic, slashdotters would have been up in arms about how statistics can be used to say anything. Disappointing disappointing.
I do have a problem with people who believe who consider Bush is Christian.
While I understand your sentiment, I really don't want another closed source browser becoming he big guy on the block. Don't get me wrong, I love the Opera guys, and their work is really impressive. Hell, they are one of the very few companies to release ppc linux binaries.
FF could be better.... but it's steadily improving and I don't ever see that stopping by some person's arbitrarily decision. As much as Slashdotters like to ignore it, FF3 had some large improvements in speed, rendering, memory consumption (leakage in particular) and native feel over the 2 series. Is there a reason to doubt that 4 won't do the same thing?
Point was that most upgrades of Microsoft product are not that jarringly different because they are made for these types of environments. By new app you mean updated app?
Exactly. If MS was broken into a browser and an OS company, we would definitely still be using IE6 since the browser company would divert all of it's developers to other projects. No affect on anything at all.
I fail to see how breaking them up would be anti-capitalism though. I think you mean anti-Laissez-faire capitalism.
This makes me wonder. How you you possibly sue two people for the equivalent of $3 million USD and ever expect them to be able to pay it back. Maybe a company, but not two individuals. Sounds like crewel and unusual punishment.
Apple is the company that set themselves up so that if they don't do something new and original, they will be shot into the ground. This usually includes breaking backward compatibility randomly and making new custom interfaces. Microsoft is the company that set themselves up so that if they do something new and original, they will be shot into the ground. This usually includes not breaking backward compatibility at all costs and keeping things familiar.
I think a lot of the jokes that appear on slashdot reflect what people see and not necessarily how they feel about the ribbon. You go into an office as an IT person who has updated the machines the night before to the new version of office and and see a bunch of helpless noobs unable to quit their program.
I agree with you about Gnome and KDE. You could always try awesome...
You have to understand, Bungie was one of the last great Mac developers and have proven themselves numerous times. Even if Halo was scripted at the time, it was a big carrot showing what was to come.
And yet I hear people talking as though ARM-based netbooks will be on the market within a year or something.
Arm procesors are being used in smart phones/portable video game systems, the next natural step would be netbooks as they are slightly larger and more powerful. The Arm processor in the iPhone doesn't seem to have any problems running a portable version of Mac OS X and on top of that 3D games form the App store, so I am not seeing where you are coming from.
Really? I just assumed IE ignored the slashes in self closed tags like by rendering in quirks because xhtml is similar enough to html. My bad my bad. I'm still going to cry in a corner about implementing flash tags in xhtml though.
I know I am being lazy, but does IE8 natively support xhtml, yet? It seems like the perfect chance to get their rendering right without breaking compatibility with old websites if they only correct it for xhtml. I mean, really...how many corporate websites do you think use xhtml and depend heavily on Microsoft?
Erm. Isn't the only reason why Windows users need autorun is because their media doesn't appear on their desktop when inserted? It's always hidden somewhere weird like My Computer or something...
I think that is only half of it. The other half is that games are made to be above all fun and some may fear this will trivialize the ongoing war. I don't think war games fit cleanly into the edutainment mold either.
Or perhaps, 99.99% of the world's population is perfectly able to distinguish between videogames and reality, and you're just doing a Jack Thompson strawman only to satisfy your petty war against the US army. Fuck you.
This is not the way to get people outside of your circle to try and understand your point of view. And seriously, I doubt you have tried looking from their point of view to try to explain things better.
The key word is desensitized. Younger people and gamers tend to be more desensitized to violence through media than older people. You have to step outside of your circle to realize why "shooting a person in the head and seeing all the blood spurt out" is a general basis for discomfort for some people. Games are not the source of their grievance, but just an agitator. These are likely the people who don't want to see a Saw movie either. Horror movies would scare the shit out of them like a little kid because their desensitization is the same level as that of a child.
So naturally, the solution to this problem is to force these people to watch Newsgrounds cartoons and slasher flicks for an hour a day.
The article is out of date. The sales for MadWorld have gotten closer to 100,000 by now. But still, it is not getting sales nearly as close at it should have been. It did pretty damn well for being released in the same week as Resident Evil 5. We all no how fickle hardcore gamers are over hi-def graphics.
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Interesting, but isn't Openoffice the generally accepted reference implimentation, even if it is not 100% of the way there yet? I'm pretty sure the other apps in the MS blog list use OpenOffice.org that way too. Really, there is no real excuse.
And yet, is it fundamentally a bad thing? We give less-than-stable humans that responsibility all the time.
That is the obvious part my friend. The question is when something goes wrong with a robot instead of a human, how much harder will it be to stop? I think the feeling of powerlessness also scares people.
Why don't you drop the $60 bucks on 10.3 disks? You can generally skip a few versions of Mac OS X, but you have gone over board. The Mac OS market isn't big enough for most companies to support that antiqued OS regardless. Bitch if you want, but that is how it is. A lot of core APIs were still forming then which exasperate things.
When open source projects start only supporting back to Mac OS 10.4, you know you have a problem. It means there aren't enough people out there. If you're brave, you can try porting FF3 to Mac OS 10.2. That is what people did with Mozilla on Mac OS 9 for a while. But it's much more fun to bitch, isn't it?
Anyway I stand by what I said about OS 10.2 refusing to display youtube.com, or install Flash Player, or run Firefox 3. That's pathetic. Even my ancient Windows 98 laptop will let me watch youtube or other website videos. Why can't OS 10.2? Makes no sense.
I'm not sure I see your point. Adobe has had spotty support for other OSs than Windows for a while. What were you expecting? For them to develop for a niche of a niche? They won't even release Linux PPC or 64-bit binaries.
Yeah, but that is not what he said. He said to do what is currently being done and WORKS for Windows. Not what FAILED for Windows.
Firefox has over 10,000 open bugs. Stop using it.
I'm not going to say you're wrong, but at least rephrase what you said so that it sounds like some general Microsoft fud. How many of those are untriaged? How many will turn out to be dups? How many bugs were fixed for firefox 3?
Here are some tips to make Firefox use less memory. And for the love of god and all that is holy, I hope Tab Mix Plus isn't the memory leak it used to be.
Which brings up the point: Ubuntu is great for Linux gurus and complete newbies, but horrible for Windows switchers that fancy themselves computer savvy. The problems you just explained would just be worked around by a Linux guru with no fuss and the newbies wouldn't notice a problem in the first place because their computer is pre-setup and they don't look for advanced Windows features.
I'm sorry, but using polarized questions like "Even if you remove 'god guiding evolution' from the equation the numbers believing in strict creationism" is a recipe for disaster. It's a bit like how it's hard to get a worker to believe something when his job relies on him not believing. People are more realistic if you give them shades to choose from. If this was any other topic, slashdotters would have been up in arms about how statistics can be used to say anything. Disappointing disappointing.
I do have a problem with people who believe who consider Bush is Christian.
While I understand your sentiment, I really don't want another closed source browser becoming he big guy on the block. Don't get me wrong, I love the Opera guys, and their work is really impressive. Hell, they are one of the very few companies to release ppc linux binaries.
FF could be better.... but it's steadily improving and I don't ever see that stopping by some person's arbitrarily decision. As much as Slashdotters like to ignore it, FF3 had some large improvements in speed, rendering, memory consumption (leakage in particular) and native feel over the 2 series. Is there a reason to doubt that 4 won't do the same thing?
Maybe. I'm sure that Gnome gave those KDE developers some good leverage on Trolltech, though. ...I should go look at a timeline.
Point was that most upgrades of Microsoft product are not that jarringly different because they are made for these types of environments. By new app you mean updated app?
Exactly. If MS was broken into a browser and an OS company, we would definitely still be using IE6 since the browser company would divert all of it's developers to other projects. No affect on anything at all.
I fail to see how breaking them up would be anti-capitalism though. I think you mean anti-Laissez-faire capitalism.
What this says to me is that they are not pirates in name only. Cracking jokes until they have been made to walk the plank.
This makes me wonder. How you you possibly sue two people for the equivalent of $3 million USD and ever expect them to be able to pay it back. Maybe a company, but not two individuals. Sounds like crewel and unusual punishment.
Oh the irony! That is what I was just thinking.
Apple is the company that set themselves up so that if they don't do something new and original, they will be shot into the ground. This usually includes breaking backward compatibility randomly and making new custom interfaces. Microsoft is the company that set themselves up so that if they do something new and original, they will be shot into the ground. This usually includes not breaking backward compatibility at all costs and keeping things familiar.
I think a lot of the jokes that appear on slashdot reflect what people see and not necessarily how they feel about the ribbon. You go into an office as an IT person who has updated the machines the night before to the new version of office and and see a bunch of helpless noobs unable to quit their program.
I agree with you about Gnome and KDE. You could always try awesome...
You have to understand, Bungie was one of the last great Mac developers and have proven themselves numerous times. Even if Halo was scripted at the time, it was a big carrot showing what was to come.
And yet I hear people talking as though ARM-based netbooks will be on the market within a year or something.
Arm procesors are being used in smart phones/portable video game systems, the next natural step would be netbooks as they are slightly larger and more powerful. The Arm processor in the iPhone doesn't seem to have any problems running a portable version of Mac OS X and on top of that 3D games form the App store, so I am not seeing where you are coming from.
Really? I just assumed IE ignored the slashes in self closed tags like by rendering in quirks because xhtml is similar enough to html. My bad my bad. I'm still going to cry in a corner about implementing flash tags in xhtml though.
I know I am being lazy, but does IE8 natively support xhtml, yet? It seems like the perfect chance to get their rendering right without breaking compatibility with old websites if they only correct it for xhtml. I mean, really...how many corporate websites do you think use xhtml and depend heavily on Microsoft?
Erm. Isn't the only reason why Windows users need autorun is because their media doesn't appear on their desktop when inserted? It's always hidden somewhere weird like My Computer or something...
I think that is only half of it. The other half is that games are made to be above all fun and some may fear this will trivialize the ongoing war. I don't think war games fit cleanly into the edutainment mold either.
Or perhaps, 99.99% of the world's population is perfectly able to distinguish between videogames and reality, and you're just doing a Jack Thompson strawman only to satisfy your petty war against the US army. Fuck you.
This is not the way to get people outside of your circle to try and understand your point of view. And seriously, I doubt you have tried looking from their point of view to try to explain things better.
The key word is desensitized. Younger people and gamers tend to be more desensitized to violence through media than older people. You have to step outside of your circle to realize why "shooting a person in the head and seeing all the blood spurt out" is a general basis for discomfort for some people. Games are not the source of their grievance, but just an agitator. These are likely the people who don't want to see a Saw movie either. Horror movies would scare the shit out of them like a little kid because their desensitization is the same level as that of a child.
So naturally, the solution to this problem is to force these people to watch Newsgrounds cartoons and slasher flicks for an hour a day.
I think you may be confusing composing and decomposing....
The article is out of date. The sales for MadWorld have gotten closer to 100,000 by now. But still, it is not getting sales nearly as close at it should have been. It did pretty damn well for being released in the same week as Resident Evil 5. We all no how fickle hardcore gamers are over hi-def graphics.