I still am not sure if it is "I'm paid to mod this down" or "it criticises the work of the prophet! Destroy!". So many of the pro-systemd gang seem to take everything LP writes on faith and react violently against any critic that I wonder...
KDE will hard depend on systemd (logind and timedated, which according to some marketeers isn't the same as depending on systemd) in less than 6 months, in KDE 5.6. David Edmundson says so very discreetly in his blog, in a comment.
Gnome seems to have gone back a little in their objective of tying directly to logind, but they link libsystemd, so yes, they have a hard dependency on systemd. A marketeer will soon claim that depending on libsystemd is not the same as depending on systemd, but I think that is one of the reasons they keep the definition of the init daemon and the project so fluid and easy to mix, so that they can have credible denial of everything, either claiming the init doesn't do that or that the project should do that but doesn't completely mandate the init (for now).
The main push has been from Gnome. KDE only very recently, and almost in secret (in a comment made by one of the developers in a blog post) announced that they had decided to drop support for the alternatives in kde5.6, due in less than 6 months.
Unfortunately gnome seems to drive many distros - and as it happened with pulseaudio, now they are driving systemd adoption, not only on distros that use it as the main desktop, but also on derivatives.
There are several main reason why systemd has overrun some of the best known distros. On of the biggest is simple. Gnome depends on it, and soon KDE will too. Distro maintainers either bend over for systemd, or will spend a lot of time patching and trying to get these two desktops working on GNU/Linux.
Then, you have two types of distro maintainers. Volunteers, and paid developers. Volunteers are guys like you and me, with limited time to help, doing things on spare time. Paid developers usually are RedHat or Canonical employees (we also had novell employees when they destroyed SuSE), and the first seem to be more and with more money to spend on pushing RedHat technologies. Unpaid volunteers can't even compete with the deluge of code and the sponsored conferences and presentations. Any alternative or dissenting voice is either bought or pressured to give up.
Finally, some claim that systemd solves a lot of things that didn't work, and that if you don't know what these are then you are an idiot, as obviously Linux has never worked well in the last 20 years.
But what do I know, I've been told enough times that I am heretic (hater in doubleplusgood newspeak) for daring to criticise systemd.
I've been bit by a similar systemd issue. The only way to get it to work is to boot from a USB key or from cd, and force a fsck on all your filesystem. Apparently some systemd versions have race conditions with fsck and won't mount / unless the fsck ended successfuly. Add that to another bug where it won't show a console... I think these have by now been fixed, but I had your problem also with arch linux, some months ago, on at least two pcs.
Systemd's occasional (read: frequent in one of my pcs) failure to shutdown is how I found out that the devs had decided that sysreq was too dangerous for the users to have and had to be disabled.
So I was stuck with a system waiting forever for something to shutdown, and without being able to use sysreq to kill all the processes and unmount file systems safely. Of course, the only way out was a hardware reset, with the subsequent log corruption that let me with no hints on why systemd would not allow my pc to shutdown. Well, at least it got me moving to evaluate the still rational linux distributions out there, as well as the *BSDs, something I had been procrastinating for a few months.
Seems like you're wrong, they added support for systemd dbus calls, but no dependency on systemd libs. It will use it if it's there, but doesn't require it.
This message has a small description of what they did. Too bad other developers don't want to be this conscious and prefer to link with systemd libs, needed or not.
And if the they make it Android/iOS agnostic, with proper support for Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, its even better news. Of course, both windows phone users must be feeling let down by now...
I know android is running on the Linux kernel, but, most times there are no drivers for the GPU that can be used on Gnu/Linux, at least without severe functionality loss. I should have been clearer.
If anything running a Linux distro other than Android will make it less useful.
Quite the opposite. Running a fully fledged linux, with either KDE plasma netbook or unity, and having access to full desktop browsers and normal linux tools, would be a great advantage. I already have android phones and tablets, but often need to use my linux netbook for some functionality that isn't supported in android.
I really don't want a power hungry Intel CPU on a tablet, no matter how many benchmarks are faked to make it seem as fast and as low power as an equivalent Arm. Most android apps will run without issues, that shouldn't be a problem anymore as there have been some Intel tablets out there for several months (I've seen some Asus in bargain bins at the Cora supermarket chain). Still, the only advantage is if someone manages to run Linux on it. Might make up for the extra heat and lower battery life, to be able to run full featured Linux on it.
As the trolls will surely tell you, that is how systemd works. it actually is a bunch of binaries, and not a single one. However, they will also conveniently forget that the biggest issue is that all these binaries have huge interdependencies; if you need one, like for instance some desktop decides to depend for some stupid reason on logind, you'll get the whole enchilada.
And that, is the single biggest issue with systemd. It has absorbed many projects, and is even trying to break the kernel (by integrating a DBUS that only works with systemd, or removing firmware upload functionality so that only systemd will be able to do it). It is not an init system - it is an interdependent bunch of overcomplicated code, made non-modular and impossible to replace by design.
Is Slashdot deleting posts about the Beta? Didn't this site used to not delete posts?
Well, all firehose entries related to the beta are marked as spam, all comments are quickly modded -1, so why not do the next step and delete posts?
After all, even the useful idiots that complain about the protest might some day understand what is at stake, so it is even better if they are "protected" from subversive ideas.
I have Prime for the German amazon, as it is the closest (less delivery time) to where I live, the prices are in euros, and has the most diversity of the European amazon stores.
However, I have my kindle set to amazon.co.uk because I only understand a few German words, most my reading is in English, my magazine subscriptions (Analog) are available only from there or the US, and I'd rather read some of my favourite authors in the original UK English spelling.
As such, I can't loan kindle titles (only if I had my kindle set to the German amazon), and of course I don't have the streaming.
The interesting part here is that I can have prime either with German, French, Italian or UK amazon, without living in any of these countries, but I must pay a Prime subscription in each country, like if it was a different company and not the same one with headquarters in Luxembourg.
Not that many, it seems. I already got that comment modded "troll" and "flamebait".
I just wish those modders would have instead had the honesty to explain how in their views the destruction of Nokia's mobile business, from #1 smartphone and phone builder in the world with over 50% of the market in the beginning of 2011 to the current pitiful state, with a global share in the single digits and forced to sell their mobile division to Microsoft, is anything but a disaster.
I am not writing about Microsoft and Windows Phone, but about Nokia. And for Nokia Elop's "strategy" was a total disaster.
Now, with 3D to add to video acceleration and fully documented power management, ADM APUs are even more the chipset of choice for netbooks and light laptops. In terms of value for money they were already hard to beat.
I'm sure they'll make better use of the "guy" (could be a girl) than that. It will be an ideal channel for disinformation. "Our privacy and civil liberties officer has forced us to reveal that we are scaling down our surveillance of Muslims", or "In line with the recommendations we are no longer issuing compromised SSL certificates", and so on.
In that is true, the position seems to have already been filled. I have no idea why cold fjord is advertising an opening for his own position at the NSA, unless he is overworked...
Please, if you haven't followed the previous patent stories here, just google florian mueller. That guy has already admitted being on the payroll of both Oracle and Microsoft. He was debunked several times by Groklaw - here is one of them - http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120419070127103. His "articles" have as much value as microsoft PR.
Reading (and worst, quoting) his drivel isn't reading "opposing sides", as you state. It is reading and giving support to what is basically paid PR from Microsoft and Oracle.
Of course, you know that by quoting florian and the fosspatents FUD site you've just outed yourself as misinformed and completely ignorant of what had been discussed on patents in the last few years?
So, Microsoft brings back the start button but forgets the start menu. Looks like something done just to shut up the complaints, instead of listening to their users and delivering what they really wanted. Of course, they can't be seen backtracking and admitting that TIFKAM is as much of a success in the desktop as it is on smartphones...
To that, we have all the extensive integration with bing and skydrive which could/should be considered another abuse of a monopoly position. Personally, both of the services are worthless to me, but if could replace them with Google, and dropbox/copy/google drive, like I can do in android, then it might be useful. In fact, an Android style approach might get Microsoft out of monopoly abuse...
Anyone who bought one of those was simply a fool. Everyone gets to be a fool now and then so don't feel to bad if it bit you.
Intel fooled me once. They won't fool me twice, as I won't buy their chipsets again. My neybooks are AMD APUs, my tablets and smartphones are ARM. Good ridance!
I suspect a lot of the problem there has to do with Imagination Technologies (creator of the PowerVR GPU core in the Poulsbo parts) and how much Imagination Technologies were willing to let Intel release (either as binary drivers or as source code)
And you're probably right, in what respects to not releasing a open source driver for the poulsbo chipset. But Intel treated their customers with the utmost disrespect, only pretending to be working on a usable driver until it was discontinued and abandoned. No decent closed source driver was released after the first interaction, before the promise of the Gallium 3D driver. Users were lied to, and pushed from one team to the other looking for drivers. That wasn't Imagination Tech - that was Intel stalling and lying to keep the noise down.
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I still am not sure if it is "I'm paid to mod this down" or "it criticises the work of the prophet! Destroy!". So many of the pro-systemd gang seem to take everything LP writes on faith and react violently against any critic that I wonder...
KDE will hard depend on systemd (logind and timedated, which according to some marketeers isn't the same as depending on systemd) in less than 6 months, in KDE 5.6. David Edmundson says so very discreetly in his blog, in a comment.
Gnome seems to have gone back a little in their objective of tying directly to logind, but they link libsystemd, so yes, they have a hard dependency on systemd. A marketeer will soon claim that depending on libsystemd is not the same as depending on systemd, but I think that is one of the reasons they keep the definition of the init daemon and the project so fluid and easy to mix, so that they can have credible denial of everything, either claiming the init doesn't do that or that the project should do that but doesn't completely mandate the init (for now).
The main push has been from Gnome. KDE only very recently, and almost in secret (in a comment made by one of the developers in a blog post) announced that they had decided to drop support for the alternatives in kde5.6, due in less than 6 months.
Unfortunately gnome seems to drive many distros - and as it happened with pulseaudio, now they are driving systemd adoption, not only on distros that use it as the main desktop, but also on derivatives.
There are several main reason why systemd has overrun some of the best known distros. On of the biggest is simple. Gnome depends on it, and soon KDE will too. Distro maintainers either bend over for systemd, or will spend a lot of time patching and trying to get these two desktops working on GNU/Linux.
Then, you have two types of distro maintainers. Volunteers, and paid developers. Volunteers are guys like you and me, with limited time to help, doing things on spare time. Paid developers usually are RedHat or Canonical employees (we also had novell employees when they destroyed SuSE), and the first seem to be more and with more money to spend on pushing RedHat technologies. Unpaid volunteers can't even compete with the deluge of code and the sponsored conferences and presentations. Any alternative or dissenting voice is either bought or pressured to give up.
Finally, some claim that systemd solves a lot of things that didn't work, and that if you don't know what these are then you are an idiot, as obviously Linux has never worked well in the last 20 years.
But what do I know, I've been told enough times that I am heretic (hater in doubleplusgood newspeak) for daring to criticise systemd.
I've been bit by a similar systemd issue. The only way to get it to work is to boot from a USB key or from cd, and force a fsck on all your filesystem. Apparently some systemd versions have race conditions with fsck and won't mount / unless the fsck ended successfuly. Add that to another bug where it won't show a console...
I think these have by now been fixed, but I had your problem also with arch linux, some months ago, on at least two pcs.
Systemd's occasional (read: frequent in one of my pcs) failure to shutdown is how I found out that the devs had decided that sysreq was too dangerous for the users to have and had to be disabled.
So I was stuck with a system waiting forever for something to shutdown, and without being able to use sysreq to kill all the processes and unmount file systems safely. Of course, the only way out was a hardware reset, with the subsequent log corruption that let me with no hints on why systemd would not allow my pc to shutdown. Well, at least it got me moving to evaluate the still rational linux distributions out there, as well as the *BSDs, something I had been procrastinating for a few months.
Seems like you're wrong, they added support for systemd dbus calls, but no dependency on systemd libs. It will use it if it's there, but doesn't require it.
This message has a small description of what they did. Too bad other developers don't want to be this conscious and prefer to link with systemd libs, needed or not.
And if the they make it Android/iOS agnostic, with proper support for Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, its even better news.
Of course, both windows phone users must be feeling let down by now...
I know android is running on the Linux kernel, but, most times there are no drivers for the GPU that can be used on Gnu/Linux, at least without severe functionality loss. I should have been clearer.
If anything running a Linux distro other than Android will make it less useful.
Quite the opposite. Running a fully fledged linux, with either KDE plasma netbook or unity, and having access to full desktop browsers and normal linux tools, would be a great advantage. I already have android phones and tablets, but often need to use my linux netbook for some functionality that isn't supported in android.
I really don't want a power hungry Intel CPU on a tablet, no matter how many benchmarks are faked to make it seem as fast and as low power as an equivalent Arm.
Most android apps will run without issues, that shouldn't be a problem anymore as there have been some Intel tablets out there for several months (I've seen some Asus in bargain bins at the Cora supermarket chain).
Still, the only advantage is if someone manages to run Linux on it. Might make up for the extra heat and lower battery life, to be able to run full featured Linux on it.
As the trolls will surely tell you, that is how systemd works. it actually is a bunch of binaries, and not a single one. However, they will also conveniently forget that the biggest issue is that all these binaries have huge interdependencies; if you need one, like for instance some desktop decides to depend for some stupid reason on logind, you'll get the whole enchilada. And that, is the single biggest issue with systemd. It has absorbed many projects, and is even trying to break the kernel (by integrating a DBUS that only works with systemd, or removing firmware upload functionality so that only systemd will be able to do it). It is not an init system - it is an interdependent bunch of overcomplicated code, made non-modular and impossible to replace by design.
Well, maybe Lenart or Kay would have a worse reception, but not by much.
Is Slashdot deleting posts about the Beta? Didn't this site used to not delete posts?
Well, all firehose entries related to the beta are marked as spam, all comments are quickly modded -1, so why not do the next step and delete posts?
After all, even the useful idiots that complain about the protest might some day understand what is at stake, so it is even better if they are "protected" from subversive ideas.
I have Prime for the German amazon, as it is the closest (less delivery time) to where I live, the prices are in euros, and has the most diversity of the European amazon stores.
However, I have my kindle set to amazon.co.uk because I only understand a few German words, most my reading is in English, my magazine subscriptions (Analog) are available only from there or the US, and I'd rather read some of my favourite authors in the original UK English spelling.
As such, I can't loan kindle titles (only if I had my kindle set to the German amazon), and of course I don't have the streaming. The interesting part here is that I can have prime either with German, French, Italian or UK amazon, without living in any of these countries, but I must pay a Prime subscription in each country, like if it was a different company and not the same one with headquarters in Luxembourg.
Not that many, it seems. I already got that comment modded "troll" and "flamebait".
I just wish those modders would have instead had the honesty to explain how in their views the destruction of Nokia's mobile business, from #1 smartphone and phone builder in the world with over 50% of the market in the beginning of 2011 to the current pitiful state, with a global share in the single digits and forced to sell their mobile division to Microsoft, is anything but a disaster.
I am not writing about Microsoft and Windows Phone, but about Nokia. And for Nokia Elop's "strategy" was a total disaster.
I know, it's a slow motion train wreck that started in 2011, but the death by Elop was consummated only in 2013, with the fire sale to Microsoft.
Now, with 3D to add to video acceleration and fully documented power management, ADM APUs are even more the chipset of choice for netbooks and light laptops. In terms of value for money they were already hard to beat.
I'm sure they'll make better use of the "guy" (could be a girl) than that. It will be an ideal channel for disinformation. "Our privacy and civil liberties officer has forced us to reveal that we are scaling down our surveillance of Muslims", or "In line with the recommendations we are no longer issuing compromised SSL certificates", and so on.
In that is true, the position seems to have already been filled. I have no idea why cold fjord is advertising an opening for his own position at the NSA, unless he is overworked...
Please, if you haven't followed the previous patent stories here, just google florian mueller. That guy has already admitted being on the payroll of both Oracle and Microsoft. He was debunked several times by Groklaw - here is one of them - http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120419070127103. His "articles" have as much value as microsoft PR.
Reading (and worst, quoting) his drivel isn't reading "opposing sides", as you state. It is reading and giving support to what is basically paid PR from Microsoft and Oracle.
Of course, you know that by quoting florian and the fosspatents FUD site you've just outed yourself as misinformed and completely ignorant of what had been discussed on patents in the last few years?
Another example of the loaded, pro-MS language that has become the standard in Slashdot lately. :(
"Exhorbitant demands"? Really?
So, Microsoft brings back the start button but forgets the start menu. Looks like something done just to shut up the complaints, instead of listening to their users and delivering what they really wanted. Of course, they can't be seen backtracking and admitting that TIFKAM is as much of a success in the desktop as it is on smartphones...
To that, we have all the extensive integration with bing and skydrive which could/should be considered another abuse of a monopoly position. Personally, both of the services are worthless to me, but if could replace them with Google, and dropbox/copy/google drive, like I can do in android, then it might be useful. In fact, an Android style approach might get Microsoft out of monopoly abuse...
Anyone who bought one of those was simply a fool. Everyone gets to be a fool now and then so don't feel to bad if it bit you.
Intel fooled me once. They won't fool me twice, as I won't buy their chipsets again. My neybooks are AMD APUs, my tablets and smartphones are ARM. Good ridance!
I suspect a lot of the problem there has to do with Imagination Technologies (creator of the PowerVR GPU core in the Poulsbo parts) and how much Imagination Technologies were willing to let Intel release (either as binary drivers or as source code)
And you're probably right, in what respects to not releasing a open source driver for the poulsbo chipset. But Intel treated their customers with the utmost disrespect, only pretending to be working on a usable driver until it was discontinued and abandoned. No decent closed source driver was released after the first interaction, before the promise of the Gallium 3D driver. Users were lied to, and pushed from one team to the other looking for drivers. That wasn't Imagination Tech - that was Intel stalling and lying to keep the noise down.
Nothing assures us that it won't happen again.