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Firefox 2.0 Posted a Day Early

A number of readers alerted us to the [link removed] day-early [accidental] posting of Firefox version 2.0. At this writing the top page at mozilla.com still doesn't mention its availability. One reader pointed us to [link removed] a mirror and another recommended a comprehensive review of Firefox 2.0, with many screenshots, over at mozillalinks.org. Update by RM: - links above removed at request of Mozilla release people. They asked us to link to this note instead. They're only asking us to wait until Tuesday Afternoon (U.S. Pacific Time) for the official 2.0 download, which isn't long. (Patience is a virtue, etc.)

564 comments

  1. Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linking to a 5.4Mb file directly on Slashdot. Nice!

    1. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope they fixed the memory leak.

      (For some fun, I recommend posting above message to the mozillazine-forum. They always like constructive critizism, ensuring fun for both sides.

    2. Re:Nice! by ericartman · · Score: 0, Troll

      I hope they fixed the video problems. It's why I use Opera EC

    3. Re:Nice! by Sillygates · · Score: 1

      The author linked to the windows version

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    4. Re:Nice! by Teun · · Score: 1
      Which is fine with me as the new IE isn't yet available in Dutch but Firefox 2.0 is.

      Shows you which browser is leading the pack :)
      I'll get the Linux version tomorrow, oh and by the way it is already the 24th. here in Europe.

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    5. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no memory leak! Get a computer with some RAM.

    6. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I posted a mirror of the US version on my site http://favoritefox.com/

      Enjoy

  2. Damnit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I just finished emerging 1.5...

    1. Re:Damnit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 won't be unmasked for 2-3 months if 1.5 was anything to go by.

    2. Re:Damnit! by burndive · · Score: 1

      What's wrong, never unmasked a package?

      I've been using the RC releases on x86_64 with no problems for a while now.

      Here you go:

      echo ">=www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0_rc3" >> /etc/portage/package.unmask
      echo "=www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0*" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords

      Happy emerging!

      --
      ...because "hacker" sounds way sexier than "code drone."
    3. Re:Damnit! by Virtex · · Score: 3, Funny
      And I just finished emerging 1.5...
      Yeah, me too. And the worst part is that I started emerging 1.5 right after it came out!
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    4. Re:Damnit! by LittleBigLui · · Score: 1
      And I just finished emerging 1.5...


      Yeah, me too. And the worst part is that I started emerging 1.5 right after it came out!


      Me too! And worst of all, I actually emerged mozilla-firefox-bin!
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      Free as in mason.
  3. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    No fp!1!? I guess everyone's rushing to download it first. This proves my theory: FF > random /. memes.

    1. Re:Huh? by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      I, for one, welcome our new meme-crushing overlords.

    2. Re:Huh? by LordEd · · Score: 4, Funny

      In soviet Russia, memes crush you!

    3. Re:Huh? by jpardey · · Score: 5, Funny

      1) crush meme 2) ? 3) profit!

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    4. Re:Huh? by WilliamSChips · · Score: 3, Funny

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of memes...

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    5. Re:Huh? by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Stop crushing the memes, you insensitive clod!

    6. Re:Huh? by cunina · · Score: 1, Funny

      All your memes are belong to us.

    7. Re:Huh? by alx5000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      but does it run memes?

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      My 0.02 cents
    8. Re:Huh? by ezberry · · Score: 1

      In South Korea, only old people use memes

    9. Re:Huh? by Werkhaus · · Score: 5, Funny

      OMG!!! Memes!!!!

    10. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Won't anyone think about the memes?

    11. Re:Huh? by Nushio · · Score: 0

      Every time you crush a meme, God kills a kitten... Won't anyone think of the poor kittens?

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    12. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For great justice take off every meme!

    13. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of the memes' children!

    14. Re:Huh? by codered82 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I like your meme, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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    15. Re:Huh? by FST777 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Meme too!

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    16. Re:Huh? by isny · · Score: 0

      In Korea, only Soviet Russian memes are crushed by old people.

    17. Re:Huh? by capkanada · · Score: 0

      If a meme is crushed in a forest, and noone is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

    18. Re:Huh? by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      In North Korea, you crush memes in the attempt not to starve to death

      Oh, what? This didn't make it on the list of obligs?

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    19. Re:Huh? by Kryptonian+Jor-El · · Score: 0, Redundant

      All your memes are belong to us

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    20. Re:Huh? by AntEater · · Score: 1

      I'm trying to imagine this meme petrified...

      or am I pouring a bowl of hot memes down my pants?

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      Alex, I'll take keybindings not used by Emacs for $400....
    21. Re:Huh? by AntEater · · Score: 1
      WOW! Take a look at this meme!

      (I'm weak, I couldn't actually do it.)

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      Alex, I'll take keybindings not used by Emacs for $400....
    22. Re:Huh? by Kenshin · · Score: 1

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of mimes.

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      Does it make you happy you're so strange?

    23. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      won't somebody please think of the memes!!

    24. Re:Huh? by zacronos · · Score: 1

      Stop posting all these stupid memes, you're going to clog the tubes! The Internet's not just a truck you can dump things on!

    25. Re:Huh? by Rellik66 · · Score: 1

      What are you kidding? The Internet is really just a series of crushed memes!

      Oh, and Firefox 2.0 spell check suggests the following for meme

      • heme
      • mime
      • mere
      • mete
      • memo

      Mime????

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      Too many zeros, not enough ones

    26. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the time it took you to type that meme, David Banh finished medical school.

    27. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is official; Slashdot posters now confirm: memes are dying One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Slashdot meme community when an Anonymous Coward confirmed that meme comment share has dropped yet again, now down to a complete absence of First Posts. Memes are collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by meme-less discussion in the recent Firefox 2.0 release comments. You don't need to be a moderator to predict the future of /. memes. The hand writing is on the wall: memes face a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for memes because memes are dying. Things are looking very bad for memes. As many of us are already aware, memes continue to lose comment share. Legitimate posts overwhelm memes like floodwaters. The *BSD meme is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core posters. The obvious lack of a *BSD meme in these meme-referencing posts only serves to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: the *BSD meme is dying. All major surveys show that memes have steadily declined in comment share. Memes are very sick and their long term survival prospects are very dim. If memes are to survive at all it will be among posts referencing their death. Memes continue to decay. Nothing short of a miraculous barrage of dupes and old news could save memes from their fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, memes are dead. Fact: memes are dying

    28. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It is official; Slashdot posters now confirm: memes are dying

      One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Slashdot meme community when an Anonymous Coward confirmed that meme comment share has dropped yet again, now down to a complete absence of First Posts. Memes are collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by meme-less discussion in the recent Firefox 2.0 release comments.

      You don't need to be a moderator to predict the future of /. memes. The hand writing is on the wall: memes face a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for memes because memes are dying. Things are looking very bad for memes. As many of us are already aware, memes continue to lose comment share. Legitimate posts overwhelm memes like floodwaters.

      The *BSD meme is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core posters. The obvious lack of a *BSD meme in these meme-referencing posts only serves to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: the *BSD meme is dying.

      All major surveys show that memes have steadily declined in comment share. Memes are very sick and their long term survival prospects are very dim. If memes are to survive at all it will be among posts referencing their death. Memes continue to decay. Nothing short of a miraculous barrage of dupes and old news could save memes from their fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, memes are dead.

      Fact: memes are dying

    29. Re:Huh? by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      I just heard some sad news on talk radio - a Slashdot meme was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There were not any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you did not enjoy his work, there is no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

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      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    30. Re:Huh? by rizole · · Score: 1
      It's a trap!

      No wait...wrong meme pool, damnit!

    31. Re:Huh? by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      But can it perform cunnilingus on a memewood floor?

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    32. Re:Huh? by LittleBigLui · · Score: 1

      No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Meme.

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      Free as in mason.
    33. Re:Huh? by Bwerf · · Score: 1

      #c++ ?

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    34. Re:Huh? by Stavr0 · · Score: 1

      No, you can't have a meme.
      ;_;
      Not yours.

    35. Re:Huh? by Vr6dub · · Score: 1

      That word "meme" you speak of...I do not think it means what you think it means.

  4. So that's how they do it by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Firefox team are assured never to suffer 0-day exploits by making -1-day releases. Clever, clever...

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    "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    1. Re:So that's how they do it by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

      0 == 1, you know, so -1 == 0. For large values of -1, of course.

    2. Re:So that's how they do it by acidrain · · Score: 5, Funny

      They could also be the first to have a -1 day exploit, which would look even worse.

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    3. Re:So that's how they do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      For large values of -1, of course.

      For very small values of -1.
    4. Re:So that's how they do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I checked -1 0

    5. Re:So that's how they do it by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Well, I may be memeless in Seattle, but I'm betting MSFT got caught by surprise when this happened.

      No -1 day exploits for them ...

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    6. Re:So that's how they do it by gardyloo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is this some sort of "There are only -3 types of people" joke?

    7. Re:So that's how they do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a -1 day exploit that works in Firefox 2.0. Visit say, www.nba.com and then go here: http://www.gnucitizen.org/projects/attackapi/build /demos/HistoryDumper.htm - it has your history. Thank goodness Konqueror is safe.

    8. Re:So that's how they do it by dan828 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bah. Microsoft did that a long time ago.

    9. Re:So that's how they do it by jimmypw · · Score: 1

      Does that mean the exploit was release before the software o_0!!!!

    10. Re:So that's how they do it by Hoch · · Score: 1

      That would probably crash the script kiddies.

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      2*31*37*263
    11. Re:So that's how they do it by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Aren't all exploits in the negatives for each day they go unpatched? Only an idiot (maybe a clever idiot, but an idiot nonetheless) would write a four-day exploit that's useless until this coming Friday.

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      How are sites slashdotted when nobody reads TFAs?
    12. Re:So that's how they do it by dextromulous · · Score: 3, Informative

      It does not have your history... but it could if it tried a brute-force attack. Neat trick, btw :-D.

      The javascript is at http://www.gnucitizen.org/projects/attackapi/build /lib/AttackAPI/HistoryDumper.js and it works by making an 'a' tag, then checking if it was visited or not. So it is able to see if a link has been visited before, but it can't dump your history in a normal fashion. I bet it probably isn't exactly a feature... but hardly something to be paranoid about.

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    13. Re:So that's how they do it by dextromulous · · Score: 1

      Could you check if this one still crashes FF 2.0? http://mcarlson.ca/index.php?page=nothing (hit button[0] about 20 or so times)

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      There are two types of people in the world: those who divide people into two types and those who don't.
    14. Re:So that's how they do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was well aware that it was brute force, but imagine this:
      You go to register for the GOP's e-mail newsletter, and their site checks a bunch of links like a) the DNC's website b) common fetish porn sites, and if they get enough matches, they "mark" your e-mail address and send all that information it to their smearing committee. Scary, huh?

    15. Re:So that's how they do it by quizzicus · · Score: 1

      There could still be a 0-day exploit, you just have an extra day to finish it!

    16. Re:So that's how they do it by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Wait, are we supposed to be using unsigned bits?

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      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    17. Re:So that's how they do it by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is. There are only 2+3-2=2 types of people in the world: those who understand Slashdot's moderation system, and those who don't.

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    18. Re:So that's how they do it by el_womble · · Score: 1

      There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand trinary, those that don't and those that refuse to learn it for religious reasons.

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    19. Re:So that's how they do it by dextromulous · · Score: 1

      Sure, it's scary, but that is sort of a trust issue. They could also have got you to install some sort of browser extension that (unbeknownst to you) actually dumps your history and emails it back to them. Although it isn't exactly the same scenerio, it is at least as likely to happen...

      On a final note: I think virtualization may help us get some of our privacy back. Imagine, one virtual machine for each of:

      • Activities that you need to be very private, and are normally involving trustworth sources: (i.e. Taxes/banking)
      • Activities that are day-to-day, and if you get a virus here, it isn't a big deal to re-image it.
      • Activities that you wouldn't want big brother/your mother to see ;-)... and you could just start with a new image each time.
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    20. Re:So that's how they do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a trust issue. To install a browser extension, I have to trust them. For this exploit to work, I just have to visit their website and the JavaScript does the rest. Web 2.0 is a curse.

  5. I'll wait thanks by ronanbear · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's not on software update either yet. I think I'll wait until firefox wants to upgrade and then I'll do one last check that all my extensions have been updated.

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    1. Re:I'll wait thanks by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Amusingly Bon Echo 2.0 is on update, while Firefox 2.0 is not. I installed 2.0RC3 the day it came out; on Friday or so I replaced it with a nightly from ten days after RC3 because RC3 was crapping out on me (hanging.) The nightly release worked great. Today, I got automatically updated to "Bon Echo 2.0" which I am assuming is the same story as Firefox 2.0... I mean wasn't Bon Echo just Firefox 2's development name?

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    2. Re:I'll wait thanks by dvice_null · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not officially released. Slashdot could do more harm than good by releasing these news early. See these responses what harm it does for releasing news before official release:
      http://ilias.ca/blog/2005/11/looking-at-ftp-sites- for-mozilla-releases/
      http://ilias.ca/blog/2006/04/looking-at-ftp-sites- for-mozilla-releases-part-ii/

      What is amazing is that Slashdot seems to do this with every release. What kind of editors we have here?

    3. Re:I'll wait thanks by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      It's not officially released. Slashdot could do more harm than good by releasing these news early. See these responses what harm it does for releasing news before official release:

      Oh noes! It might not be on all the mirrors! Or it might be a bad build (if it's a bad build, who's the dipshit who uploaded it?) The same thing could happen with mozilla update, too.

      What is amazing is that Slashdot seems to do this with every release. What kind of editors we have here?

      You must be new here. Otherwise that wouldn't be amazing.

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    4. Re:I'll wait thanks by bunratty · · Score: 1

      If they discover a last minute bug in the build, it might end up not being the final release. That's what's meant by a "bad build," not some dipshit stupidly uploading the wrong build by mistake. The same thing could not happen to an update, because it has to be officially released before an update will occur. Once it's officially released, they would have to release another release with a different version number.

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    5. Re:I'll wait thanks by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that they have process in place to keep it from happening in the update system, but no process in place to stop it from happening for the initial downloads?

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  6. Firefox 2.0 is soooooooo fast... by PrintError · · Score: 4, Funny

    It beat itself to the internet!

    1. Re:Firefox 2.0 is soooooooo fast... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I must be the super fastest then. I beat myself to the internet every day.

    2. Re:Firefox 2.0 is soooooooo fast... by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      Firefox 2.0 is soooooooo fast...It beat itself to the internet!

      I wish it was. I was ready to believe the hype they fixed the speed and memory issues, alas: it feels exactly the same as before, which is quite a bit slower than Opera, IE6 or 7.

    3. Re:Firefox 2.0 is soooooooo fast... by sorennielsen · · Score: 1

      Has Chuck Norris joined the Mozilla Dev Team?

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  7. I smell a conspiracy by ZakuSage · · Score: 4, Funny
    from the let's-slashdot-mozilla dept.
    1. Re:I smell a conspiracy by Lucan+Varo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hence the early release. They saw the /. comming from miles away. Not that you can actually look through tubes or anything.

    2. Re:I smell a conspiracy by FST777 · · Score: 1

      Funny. In a topic about a webbrowser you forget the
      tag...

      No offense :)

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    3. Re:I smell a conspiracy by WhiteSpade · · Score: 2, Informative
      Apparently Mozilla is not happy about this linking at all, and I sure don't blame them. http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/preed/2006/10/the_a ntirelease.html
      No, we have. Not. Released. Firefox. 2. Yet. When people link to bits directly on a random FTP mirror, they're doing a number of people harm including, quite possibly, themselves: ...posts linking to direct FTP mirrors could be costing the operators of those mirrors hundreds to thousands of dollars in bandwidth bills, or may cause them to crash by linking directly to them. This could cause them to "un-volunteer" their services as a mirror, making it even harder to obtain Firefox on release days.
      ---Alex
    4. Re:I smell a conspiracy by naylor83 · · Score: 1

      Heh, yeah, I know. :D

      I realized about 4 milliseconds after I hit the submit, but it alas, it was too late.

    5. Re:I smell a conspiracy by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      You need to upgrade to a Core 2 Duo - it will give you back 5ms so you wouldn't have hit the submit button in the first place! ;)

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  8. Language by ostehaps · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sweet move to link to the en-GB version. That's the flavour I like!

    1. Re:Language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Argh. For a second there I thought the second link was to a release in Linuxean. But no, it's en-US like the one above it!

    2. Re:Language by Xemu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why not use bittorrent for it's best legal use: downloading firefox!

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    3. Re:Language by sho222 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the heads up. I almost installed that shite. That would have been a rude suprise.

    4. Re:Language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So is it "suprise" or "surprise"? I gotta know!

    5. Re:Language by Jugalator · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, why do? The regular links are both direct, as opposed to BT, and clearly functional.

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    6. Re:Language by YoungHack · · Score: 1

      > Why not use bittorrent for it's best legal use...

      I totally would. I'd even leave my client on and seed for tomorrow when the real rush comes. But there's no Linux versions when I click the link.

    7. Re:Language by Kangburra · · Score: 2, Funny
      Everything else you should be able to find here:


      Can't find a Debian version... odd! ;-)
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      Common sense is not so common
    8. Re:Language by The+Raven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To support Firefox. Why should I take the Mozilla Org's expensive bandwidth when I can torrent it, and use the mostly free bandwidth of 100 other peers.

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      "I will trust Google to 'do no evil' until the founders no longer run it." Hello Alphabet.
    9. Re:Language by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 1

      +1 Hilarious.

    10. Re:Language by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify, you'd be taking away from Oregon State University's bandwidth since they're the mirror linked in the article. They have fat pipes, but I don't want my favourite mirror getting slashdotted!

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    11. Re:Language by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      Why should I take the Mozilla Org's expensive bandwidth when I can torrent it, and use the mostly free bandwidth of 100 other peers.

      You could say that makes some sense, but there's something not right with it.

      But flip it on its head and it's all clear:

      "Why should Mozilla Org's team put out hundreds of binaries with public access which they don't want the public to use".

    12. Re:Language by Braino420 · · Score: 1
      Well, why do?
      I usually get the best speeds with BT. Especially when it's a popular download, which will make getting it directly much slower and have the opposite affect in BT.
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  9. Early bird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice to see open source being early when other offerings are a little... late.

  10. So much for the soft launch. by drapeau06 · · Score: 1

    Slashdotting seems unlikely, though.

  11. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Firefox 2.0 Rc3 = Firefox 2.0 final?

    I don't know but the Rc3 at any rate appears to be a final release to me. It's awesome and has brought me back from using Opera. Let's see if the memory usage is as high as it used to be after a week of continuous usage ;)

    1. Re:Hmmm by code65536 · · Score: 1

      Yes. Mozilla finals are always identical to the most recent RC. So in a way, FF2 was released last week. And the nightly people had access to it two weeks ago when RC3 was first spun on the 10th. :P

  12. what a #$%*tard by chasingporsches · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    the first link is to the windows EXE file. for those of us NOT USING WINDOWS, click the mirror link.

  13. Link to the Windows app by Bob_Geldof · · Score: 1

    wft, mate. not everybody uses windows.

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    1. Re:Link to the Windows app by FnH · · Score: 1

      more like:
      Bugger, chap. Not everybody uses windows.

  14. I'll upgrade if by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) it quits crashing all the time with the mplayer plugin when playing videos

    2) it finally has a sensible cookie blocking interface, à-la Mozilla, and not that atrocious settings tab that I have to scroll through to find the site I just blocked cookies from that I need to re-enable.

    Otherwise the current 1.x version works well enough for me.

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    1. Re:I'll upgrade if by Crazy+Man+on+Fire · · Score: 1

      Try the "Extended Cookie Manager" extension. It is just what you need!

    2. Re:I'll upgrade if by Crazy+Man+on+Fire · · Score: 1

      Here's the link

    3. Re:I'll upgrade if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get the CookieSafe extension / addon. It's like NoScript, but for cookies.

    4. Re:I'll upgrade if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Works for me. Try creating a new profile.

    5. Re:I'll upgrade if by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      mplayerplug-in works great in both firefox-1.5 and 2.0 but i have noticed if you switch distros or upgrade things like libpng or other critical system files then mplayerplug-in will get quirks or sometimes totally crash or refuse to work. i suggest you delete the existing plugins and recompile mplayerplug-in withe the gecko-sdk

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    6. Re:I'll upgrade if by josath · · Score: 1

      1) definately sounds more like mplayer-plugin's fault than firefox's fault. I always cut & paste the url into a terminal anyway, that way I can also save a copy of the video if I want to. (Yes it's more work, but I don't mind so much. Others may be annoyed by having to do it this way)

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    7. Re:I'll upgrade if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what's good for the goose is good for your mom's wrinkled asshole

    8. Re:I'll upgrade if by ben+there... · · Score: 1
      2) it finally has a sensible cookie blocking interface, à-la Mozilla, and not that atrocious settings tab that I have to scroll through to find the site I just blocked cookies from that I need to re-enable.

      You could install the Permit Cookies extension.

      Then just hit Alt-C to Allow/Block cookies for the current site, complete with wildcard patterns. (It works best with cookies disabled by default, then enabling it for sites when you want cookies)
    9. Re:I'll upgrade if by kalakala · · Score: 2, Funny

      Some pr0n sites don't let me do wget, they want authentication and stuff like that :(

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    10. Re:I'll upgrade if by syukton · · Score: 1

      --http-user=USER
      --http-password=PASS
      --referer=URL

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    11. Re:I'll upgrade if by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

      Thanks man, just what I was looking for.

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  15. As pointed out in MY story submission... by Spokehedz · · Score: 1, Informative

    The article links to the BRITISH version... Which sucks for all us American types.

    So, don't just download that one and install it. It DOES matter, with the inline spell-checker.

    Or else you'll end up doing your neighbour a favour by changing his tyre.

    1. Re:As pointed out in MY story submission... by eipgam · · Score: 5, Funny

      Heaven forbid you actually learn to spell words correctly! :)

    2. Re:As pointed out in MY story submission... by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or else you'll end up doing your neighbour a favour by changing his tyre

      To a different colour?

    3. Re:As pointed out in MY story submission... by Spokehedz · · Score: 1

      For words that I don't use that often, it's a lot easier than putting it into google and letting it tell me what I meant.

    4. Re:As pointed out in MY story submission... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Or else you'll end up doing your neighbour a favour by changing his tyre.

      And I, for one, welcome our new, superfluous-vowel-using overlords.

    5. Re:As pointed out in MY story submission... by AugustZephyr · · Score: 1

      OMG, it says organiSe bookmarks in the menu bar instead of organiZe bookmarks!

    6. Re:As pointed out in MY story submission... by finkployd · · Score: 1

      Any colour you like

      Finkployd

    7. Re:As pointed out in MY story submission... by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      The article links to the BRITISH version... Which sucks for all us American types.

      So, don't just download that one and install it. It DOES matter, with the inline spell-checker.

      Or else you'll end up doing your neighbour a favour by changing his tyre.


      The link is off now, but it really says a lot about the kind of audience Slashdot gets... If you're not from Britain, why download the British version !?

      I'll admit: I got FF 2.0 off the FTP, but I just browser a folder up, went to the US build, and got that instead. Is that so damn hard? No.

      I suppose quite some people have problem reading/writing, and hence never noticed what they download. Such an irony that they get to use the wrong spell checked too.

    8. Re:As pointed out in MY story submission... by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Eyh Belive yo gout auh mispelin ther ma'h frieid.
      Heaveoun fourbid youh actuoghly leanr tough speil wourghds courectly!

      That was a lot more painful to do, thanks to the bloody spell check. I found my own source, 'fore the /. found theirs. If I would have read this first I wouldn't have done it. Guess I'll checked tomorrow to see if anything changed.

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  16. Funny Related Links by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 4, Funny

    Related Links: "Compare prices on Mozilla"

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    1. Re:Funny Related Links by ggy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Still better than a related link I got to ebay earlier
      "Racism from $1"

      I still wonder what they meant...

    2. Re:Funny Related Links by maxume · · Score: 1

      Click it and punish the buyer of the add. Of course, it doesn't do much on slashdot where the right hand is paying the left, but for stupid adword ads, it feels pretty good. Be sure to only click once, you want to appear legit, not fraudulent.

      Oh, and be sure to buy as much GOOG as you possibly can.

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    3. Re:Funny Related Links by Zwicky · · Score: 1

      Damnit, I interpreted that as a backreference and it took a while to understand because I was looking around for what $1 would be replaced with. I'll get me coat...

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  17. Which release group gets credit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And where is the /crack directory? I guess they put a serial in the nfo.

    1. Re:Which release group gets credit? by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      I don't think Firefox includes crack.

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  18. Ubuntu Edgy by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 1

    Hopefully this will be ready and waiting for me in Ubuntu Edgy when I upgrade in (hopefully) a few days.

    1. Re:Ubuntu Edgy by nbehary · · Score: 1

      It will. Edgy just grabbed it as on update on my system not 3 min ago.

    2. Re:Ubuntu Edgy by Red+Alastor · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is, they already have the RC in.

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    3. Re:Ubuntu Edgy by c_forq · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is, I've been using Edgy and Firefox updated today. By the way, I got Beryl (formally compiz) running on Edgy a LOT easier than on Dapper - if that matters to you at all - and Automatix 2 already supports Edgy.

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    4. Re:Ubuntu Edgy by Shawn+is+an+Asshole · · Score: 1

      Is it stable in Edgy? I got it working with AIGLX this weekend under Dapper, but the system was reduced to Windows 95 stability. Couldn't even ssh in to kill X. Looked really cool, though.

      I gave up after having my desktop freeze five times in a day and a half. I haven't had a single freeze in almost a year, and the ones I got before that were due to a flaky power supply.

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    5. Re:Ubuntu Edgy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox 2 is already in Edgy.

    6. Re:Ubuntu Edgy by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      I'm posting this from Firefox 2.0 under Ubuntu Edgy. Spell check apparently works, as it's telling me that Ubuntu is misspelled... :)

      So yeah, you can probably count on it being available.

    7. Re:Ubuntu Edgy by c_forq · · Score: 1

      I've had it going for 48 hours straight now and it is working fine for me. I used the Nvidia instructions from the Beryl Wiki. I don't know about using it with AIGLX though. It can cause massive slow down though (the other day I had 2 bittorrents, gstreamer, evolution, Gaim, and firefox with the World Series gamecast from ESPN going and it took a few seconds to open any new windows).

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    8. Re:Ubuntu Edgy by Shawn+is+an+Asshole · · Score: 1

      Cool. Hopefully the problems I had are just related to the packages I was using. I'm looking forward for Edgy to be released so I can try it on that. I had to use AIGLX since my card (ATI Radeon 9200, with fully Open Source drivers (the only reason I went with a slower, older card)) only works with it and not XGL.

      One other question. Does Edgy fix the "shift"-"backspace" problem with XGL? Last time I tried that with my nVidia-equipt work computer that was driving me crazy.

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  19. Wikipedia Support for Firefox 2 Added by yurik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is now Firefox 2 support enabled on all Wiki*edia sites. To use, navigate to http://en.wikipedia.org/ (or any other language/project), click the search engine selector button in the upper right corner, and click "add wikipedia". The added bonus is that auto-suggest is also working - as you type you search, it will provide a list of page titles that begin with the typed letters.

    One note - the timeout is set to 500ms, which is not too long (especially when the entire slashdot visits wiki). To make it longer, open firefox_install_dir\components\nsSearchSuggestions .js, and edit the "_suggestionTimeout: 500" line. Something like 2000 works fine for me.

    --Yurik / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yurik

    1. Re:Wikipedia Support for Firefox 2 Added by ender81b · · Score: 1

      And never forget that you can type wiki $something in the address bar of Firefox (including earlier versions) and have it bring up either the wikipedia entry that term or, if it can't find that, the closest match.

      My favorite feature ever.

      Also -- let's not forget Portable Firefox has the RC3 version out (which, from what I can tell, is Firefox 2.0 in everything but name) here

      My impressions of 2.0? It's got some nice tweaks, it feels faster, it uses about 25 meg less Ram on my windows machine and about 30 meg less on my Mac. All in all, a solid build. Lacking in whiz bang features maybe, but a nice solid build.

    2. Re:Wikipedia Support for Firefox 2 Added by c_forq · · Score: 3, Informative

      It has been changed to 'wp $something' by default for a while now, but it is super easy to change to wiki (also as of a couple versions back the default 'dict $something' changed from reference.com to answers.com).

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    3. Re:Wikipedia Support for Firefox 2 Added by AxelBoldt · · Score: 1

      I think it would help Wikipedia editors a lot more if we could finally do search (and replace) in text areas. The bug was filed and fixed, yet somehow the code didn't find its way into production.

    4. Re:Wikipedia Support for Firefox 2 Added by eyal · · Score: 1

      It's not support for Wikipedia, but rather support for OpenSearch autodiscovery.

    5. Re:Wikipedia Support for Firefox 2 Added by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      Wow, those are the best features EVER! I use both wikipedia.org and dictionary.com all the time. Mod parent up!

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    6. Re:Wikipedia Support for Firefox 2 Added by shellbeach · · Score: 1
      And never forget that you can type wiki $something in the address bar of Firefox (including earlier versions) and have it bring up either the wikipedia entry that term or, if it can't find that, the closest match.

      Or just right-click in any search form and choose the keyword that you want ...
    7. Re:Wikipedia Support for Firefox 2 Added by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite a few search engines here..
      https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/search-engines/
      just click

  20. Difference between 2.0 RC3 and 2.0 final? by BeeBeard · · Score: 1

    Are there any differences between the two? I'm already running the RC3 ebuild and I'd really like to avoid upgrading if possible.

    1. Re:Difference between 2.0 RC3 and 2.0 final? by aitan · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, when it's released you will get a nice window telling you that after restart you will get the final version.

      And about your questions, it seems that the RC was a real RC, so there are no changes.

    2. Re:Difference between 2.0 RC3 and 2.0 final? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 1


      What? Didn't they get the memo that Microsoft "innovated" the meaning of RC to mean what the rest of the world calls "beta"?
      </BASHING>

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    3. Re:Difference between 2.0 RC3 and 2.0 final? by Gandalf_the_Beardy · · Score: 1

      I wondered the same. A quick FC between my RC3 install and the newone gives only a hundred or so hits which will probably be all text changes from RC3 to 2.0 I suppose....

    4. Re:Difference between 2.0 RC3 and 2.0 final? by bunratty · · Score: 1

      No, the version didn't change. It looks like a VeriSign time stamp at the end of the file and a checksum at the beginning of the file are all that changed. Firefox 2 RC3 identified itself as Firefox 2.0 because it was a true release candidate. There was no s/2 RC3/2.0/g needed.

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  21. Ill wait by Blackbrain · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pfffttt, no thanks. Let me know when IceWeasel is ready.

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    1. Re:Ill wait by Threni · · Score: 1

      > IceWeasel

      Nice name. Presumably "SpoonGazer" and "HeckTacker" were taken?

    2. Re:Ill wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From an IceWeasel article re: privacy features IW has that FF doesn't:

        >One of those features is the blocking of cookies that come from zero-size images.

      If this is a real privacy concern, can someone explain how this works, and more importantly, why it wouldn't be included in Firefox as a feature??

    3. Re:Ill wait by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "bugs" are non-displaying images loaded from other hosts that cause log hits when you visit unrelated webpages. They're used by advertising networks for tracking, and by various unscrupulous information-aggregating networks for building pictures of what you like to buy, and then selling your results. My advice is to clear your cookies frequently.

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  22. /. needs to update by Com2Kid · · Score: 1

    Page scrolling in FF2 in journals is really slow with the new comment system turned on.

    All in all, seems like a fairly good release. A bit slower here and there though, but pages appear even faster than before. Well that could very well be a UI illusion, but whatever, it seems to work. :)

  23. pls wait 24 hours by jhermans · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For crying out loud ! Can't we just leave those Mozilla folks alone for a day, so that they can prepare the release. They have to post 38 different executables, and do a very last check to see if they actually work.

    1. Re:pls wait 24 hours by snero3 · · Score: 1

      You are kidding right? They have the second most popular browser on the face of the planet and they are releasing it live to the Internet and your expecting the general public to behave? Slashdot or not they were going to get hammered

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    2. Re:pls wait 24 hours by pla · · Score: 1

      They have to post 38 different executables, and do a very last check to see if they actually work.

      Well, sure, but 90% of FF users only really cares about one release, the US english version.

      And before anyone mods me a troll, ask yourself if I lie, or just write an un-PC truth.

  24. English US Version by KermodeBear · · Score: 1

    The link above is to the English-GB version. For your convenience: US English installer, Win32.

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    1. Re:English US Version by Alcari · · Score: 1

      Somehow i doubt if FF uses the word flavour a lot....

    2. Re:English US Version by wed128 · · Score: 1

      I bet it uses the word colour though...

  25. Payback! by BeeBeard · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's payback for Mozilla's actually trying to assert its trademark rights!

  26. Do something about extensions by bogaboga · · Score: 1
    Let the Open Source community do something about Firefox extensions. For those we hope to attract with extensions, they will find that very few are available for version 2.0! I have only seen ForecastFox that will work on the 1.5.x and the 2.0 series of Firefox.

    When we tout the advantages of Open Source, the availability of extensions on time, is not something we should fail on. After all, there have been a number of betas and release candidates released before this major one. Tests could be done on those.

    One problem I have seen with this new version is that its default theme is ugly! I appreciate that in consumes less memory and feels a bit more snappier than the older version.

    The re-organzation that has been made in the preferences section is also highly appreciated. The same applies to spell checking - its best feature in my opinion.

    I have one question though. Is Firefox a GTK application? I see it resembles a GTK application and uses its dialogs. If not, when shall we see a KDE like looking Firefox? KDE folks, do something.

    Mean while, those who expect to get their hands dirty with this version will have to wait for their FTP site is already slashdotted!

    1. Re:Do something about extensions by berzerke · · Score: 1

      ...I have only seen ForecastFox that will work on the 1.5.x and the 2.0 series of Firefox.

      Well, I have been running 2.0 since rc2, and I have all of the following extensions working: Adblock, Adblock Filterset.G updater, Forecastfox, Linky, and McAfee SiteAdvisor. While I realize this is a far cry from all the extensions, these are all the ones I use regularly. I'm quite sure the list of working extensions is far bigger than what I've listed.

    2. Re:Do something about extensions by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      The KDE folks did do something. It's called Konq.

      Maybe, in the spirit of Firefox's "IE Tab" extension, Konq could gain a "FF Tab" extension.

      It would be almost as cool as porting vi to Plan 9!

    3. Re:Do something about extensions by Lothsahn · · Score: 1

      I maintain a firefox Theme, Orbit Grey.

      Like many of my fellow theme developers, I'm very busy. Perhaps instead of complaining that the extensions are out of date, you could open up the source (it's just a jar file of css), convert the format to 2.0, and if you find any bugs, fix them? I'd be happy to include your fixes/updates in my theme and give you credit.

      That's the great thing about open source. It's all out there, and if you want, you can update it. The whole reason I support Orbit Grey is that the previous version went unsupported by the author. But I'm a volunteer like everyone else, and I made no promises to be on time with Mozilla's release schedule. If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to fix it!

      However, I expect that you too may be too busy to convert the theme to version 2.0. If this is true, no worries, I'll be updating my theme in the coming days. I could still use your expertise in the following areas described on my site:

      1) Medium sized buttons (artists, PLEASE send me an email) -- I have the buttons, working on integrating them now.

      2) Theme the help menu (0.8.0)

      I know this sounded like a shameless plug, and it kinda is, but it's annoying to hear people complaining about how the extensions where out of date when I've recieved 0 emails in the past 2 years for my theme with code fixes. People like to complain, but VERY FEW are willing to actually help. We're just volunteers (with lives) and our time is limited.

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    4. Re:Do something about extensions by imbaczek · · Score: 1

      vi doesn't work on Plan 9? That's officialy THE most useless OS ever!

    5. Re:Do something about extensions by shellbeach · · Score: 1
      Is Firefox a GTK application? I see it resembles a GTK application and uses its dialogs. If not, when shall we see a KDE like looking Firefox? KDE folks, do something.

      Yes, FF is linked to GTK. That's why it looks like GTK ...

      I don't use KDE stuff myself, but you might get some joy from this GTK theme ...
    6. Re:Do something about extensions by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      There is no vi for Plan 9 because the Plan 9 folk didn't like vi, wrote their own editors that they thought were better, explained why they thought theirs were better, and then everyone that used Plan 9 drank the Kool-Aid.

      They Plan 9 folk kind of have a point. vi was designed to be used over really slow connections, this is why it has such terse and efficient commands. But you can be even more efficient by doing selection and movement with a mouse, and if your connection has the bandwidth (such as with a local connection) to do it that's what you ought to do (it really is more efficient for most types of movements and selections, especially if your editor has a good "mouse language"). So they made editors where you have to do it that way. What if you're going over a slow connection? Use ed. Well, actually, their simple editor sam has a front-end that can be used separately on your local machine that communicates with the server using ed-like commands.

      vi would also not be a natural fit for a system with no terminal emulators. I bet you really think it's useless now ;-). But terminal emulators are a silly holdover, and if they can be replaced with something better, why not? That is the mindset that permeates most of the ways that Plan 9 is different from Unix. They wanted to get rid of all the cruft (termcaps, anyone? God, what a horrible mess...). What's really interesting about Plan 9 is that its users buy into the ideas of the creators to the degree that despite vi's popularity on every other OS nobody has ever ported vi to Plan 9 from what I can tell. I mean, there are better things for them to be spending their time on anyway, learning a new editor is easy.

      There actually is a program called vi on Plan 9, and it's something completely different; its name is the result of the naming convention for architecture-specific compilers and simulators.

      KDE users don't drink the Kool-Aid to nearly that degree, which is why that came to my mind in the original post. But I do think some of the same aspects, both technically and socially, play into the fact that there's no Gecko browser for KDE... Konq is actually pretty nice, but unfortunately KDE apps feel like a fish out of water on non-KDE systems (Rosegarden is one that I wind up using). I guess Gnome apps would on non-Gnome systems, but there aren't as many prominent apps that are Gnome-branded. QT apps, though rare, can fit in pretty well (LyX is one of the few QT-but-not-KDE programs I've used... I think Opera uses QT also).

    7. Re:Do something about extensions by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      K-Meleon?
      And I thought there was no vi because there was no ncurses.

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  27. might wanna check your extensions first by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    Tab Mix Plus is not FF2-compatible yet; the author says a new version should come along within a week or so. This is proving mighty irritating. I used both the regular close-tab button *and* the per-tab close buttons; now I only have the per-tab ones. Gah. Add features, folks, don't REMOVE them. :(

    Other than that, it's definitely faster (except for one area - switching between already-loaded tabs is MUUUUCH faster in IE7. And no, that's nowhere near enough to get me to use IE7).

    And is themeability now gone, or am I just not looking in the right spot? I don't see any way to change the look of this thing.

    Maybe Opera will one day have a decent interface, and enough features for me not to need Extensions (apparently now renamed 'Add-Ons', and I can use a fast & lightweight browser.

    1. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by SRowley · · Score: 1

      The ability to add themes is now found in Tools > Add-ons under the Theme section.

    2. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      The ability to add themes is now found in Tools > Add-ons under the Theme section.

      Awesome, thanks; I definitely didn't notice that! I prefer the old method of separate links for Tools>Extensions and Tools>Themes, but oh well, as long as it's still there.

    3. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by berzerke · · Score: 1

      And is themeability now gone, or am I just not looking in the right spot? I don't see any way to change the look of this thing.

      Try looking under Tools -> Add-ons -> Themes tab.

    4. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by Darwin_Frog · · Score: 1

      The dev-build of TMP works fine in FF 2.0 for now. Been running it since RC1 and it has all the features it had before. It's on the author's home page.

    5. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Tab Mix Plus is not FF2-compatible yet; the author says a new version should come along within a week or so. This is proving mighty irritating.

      More irritating than Tab Mix Plus authors trolling TabBrowser Preference's comment list with anti-TBP and pro-TMP spam? I think not.

    6. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Does it provide me with the 'main tab-close button that FF used to have?

      I used both the per-tab close button and the main one, and rely on having both. Plus I *really* prefer my bookmarks to open in individual background tabs. I can still open a group of tabs in their own ('Open All In Tabs'), but I want to do individual ones, as well.

    7. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Considering I've never seen such spamming, no, I can't say as it's more irritating to me. :)

      Are you sure it's the author(s) and not just some freaky fanboy?

      I used to use TBP until I determined it was responsible for slowing FF to a crawl. That was quite awhile ago, though - has that been fixed?

    8. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by Alcari · · Score: 1
      Maybe Opera will one day have a decent interface, and enough features for me not to need Extensions (apparently now renamed 'Add-Ons', and I can use a fast & lightweight browser.
      Actaully, they're calling them "Widgets" on a sidenote, something with lots and lots of features is never considered lightweight.
    9. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      something with lots and lots of features is never considered lightweight.

      Well, let me put it this way: compare the base FF with no extensions vs the base Opera. Guess who wins in performance. :)

      I've got the RC1 of Tab Mix Plus working in FF2 now, but it's got a bug that well, bugs me: the main close tab button (yay, it HAS one!) doesn't work: when I mouse over it, it flickers and doesn't work unless I click on it very quickly. (yeah, dangerous)

      Still, at least individual bookmarks now open in their own background tabs, which was also a big irritation. *whew*

    10. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by Admiral+Justin · · Score: 1
      Does it provide me with the 'main tab-close button that FF used to have?

      I used both the per-tab close button and the main one, and rely on having both. Plus I *really* prefer my bookmarks to open in individual background tabs. I can still open a group of tabs in their own ('Open All In Tabs'), but I want to do individual ones, as well.


      Yes, it does. It does everything it did before.

      TMP Dev Build.
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    11. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it also has some bugs with that feature (it also makes the close buttons on each tab disappear when the pointer is hovering over it, but it still works when clicked).

    12. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

      Go grab the dev build of Tab Mix Plus from the TMP site, it has 2.0 compatibility.

    13. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      Well, let me put it this way: compare the base FF with no extensions vs the base Opera. Guess who wins in performance. :)
      Well, Firefox is so fast now... It got to us a day early.
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    14. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Well, Firefox is so fast now... It got to us a day early.

      Yeah, but Opera is already several versions ahead. :)

      Too bad Opera isn't open source. Then someone could take the renderer out of that, put it in an assembly language-based shell with a good UI, and I'd finally be happy with the speed of a web browser that had a good UI...

      It seems we have my first FF2 bug! I click on the 'Submit' button at Slashdot, and it jumps up to the top of the page. Second submit-button click seems to work, though. Weird.

    15. Re:might wanna check your extensions first by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      Yeah, but Opera is already several versions ahead. :)
      Yeah, and Opera doesn't have something that can synchronise your bookmarks, cookies, history, saved passwords and so on auto-magically between different computers and different operating systems -- with proper conflict resolution.

      The main reason why *I* cannot use any other browser. :P
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  28. Memory Consumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How's the memory footprint/consumption?

    Originally that was FF's main selling point before it became what it is today. (well hopefully yesterday)

    1. Re:Memory Consumption by Sarusa · · Score: 1

      Please see http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=202228&cid=165 53166

      The short version is that memory seems much more under control.

  29. FF2 by xming · · Score: 1

    I have running this for half day now (the real one not rc3), it feels a bit smoother. The sitebar add-on does work and they change the ctrl-s key binding so sage kb short-cut foes not work. Everything else is working as expected and build0in spell-checker is doing its work. It's a great release/

    1. Re:FF2 by Tarlus · · Score: 1

      After having run it for half a day, have you noticed any substantial memory leaks? I'm tired of restarting Firefox every day when it starts idling at 250 megs.

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    2. Re:FF2 by drinkypoo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Do what I did, get more ram, then you can kill it every other day when it's idling at 600MB.

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    3. Re:FF2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or better yet, use any Linux distribution and download the latest Firefox. Then you won't have to put up with memory problems again.

    4. Re:FF2 by Tarlus · · Score: 1

      I dunno about that... I've been using the latest version of 1.5 in Debian (not installed via apt) and it still suffers from memory leaks every day. It's not a lot of effort to just restart the browser, but it'll be nice when I won't even have to do that anymore.

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    5. Re:FF2 by yomahz · · Score: 1
      Everything else is working as expected and build0in spell-checker is doing its work.
      You sure about that? :)
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    6. Re:FF2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the real one not rc3"

      RC3 is "the real one" - the only thing that changed was the filename of the download.

    7. Re:FF2 by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Well, that's because you use Debian and Firefox. You know they don't get along!

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  30. New icons by andersbergh · · Score: 1

    I don't like the new icons at all, the old ones were a lot better. Does someone else agree with me here and have a fix available?

    1. Re:New icons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  31. November! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    From the article, "Since its first release, back in November 1.0, the web browsers..." Apparently November 1.0 was a productive month for web browsers. I'd love to do November over again. November 2.0 here we come!

  32. For the sake of non-Windows users by sakusha · · Score: 2, Informative

    Please don't make the first link in a post a blind link to a Windows executable.

    1. Re:For the sake of non-Windows users by dreamer-of-rules · · Score: 2, Funny

      For the sake of Windows users, please don't ever link directly to an .exe hosted on someone else's website.

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    2. Re:For the sake of non-Windows users by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      For the sake of Dean Hachamovitch, IE7 general manager, please do not post any links to any Firefox executable on any platform.

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    3. Re:For the sake of non-Windows users by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Funny

      For the sake of your own sanity due to jokes made about your name, change your name from "Hachamovitch".

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    4. Re:For the sake of non-Windows users by Heisman · · Score: 1

      did somebody say ham-sammich?

  33. BitTorrent Link to FireFox by Xemu · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Why not use BitTorrent? This is the best legal use for it.

    Download FireFox here

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    1. Re:BitTorrent Link to FireFox by zhouray · · Score: 1

      Nice! I didn't know posting the exact same message twice would earn so much karma.

    2. Re:BitTorrent Link to FireFox by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      Damn, everyone knows BT is for downloading porn, warez, and illegal copies of Weird Al tunes. Who ever heard of downloading legal stuff that way!

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  34. A buncha extensions don't work by gelfling · · Score: 1

    But FF2.0 goes out and tries to find them and apply them automatically so it tells you right away what's no longer working. So far FasterFox and MediaWrap and Google Send2Phone don't work. I haven't worked with it enough to discover what it is that DOES work better. I hope general IEishness and compatibility are improved.

  35. New version by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The latest version is quite nice. The integrated spell checker is worth it alone (I had been using an extension, but having it integrated is so much nicer).

    I thought I might could do away with Tab Mix Plus now, however it was quickly apparent that the extension is still a must. As a developer I'm too used to switching through multiple documents by history, not by some arbitrary linear order. So with Tab Mix Plus I can easily CTRL-TAB back and forth between a couple specific tabs, even if there are a dozen other tabs open. So I'm waiting for the author(s) to update it because it is no longer compatible.

    Happily, the other extensions I use all had upgrades for 2.0. That was my biggest gripe about FireFox in the past. Especially a previous upgrade that I think was security-related. The version went from like 1.5.0.2 to 1.5.0.3 and suddenly 90% of my extensions weren't compatible. That was unacceptable, especially with such a seemingly small change in version number.

    Dan East

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    1. Re:New version by shine-shine · · Score: 1

      But the reason you no longer see those is because some programmers set the maxversion valueon their extensions to 2.* or even 3. This keeps everything working smoothly, until something doesn't. I have had one such extension, which was set to 2.5 (go figure), and was actually broken in 2.0 (and worse yet, caused problems).

    2. Re:New version by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Interesting

      >The latest version is quite nice.

      As someone who is used to 20+ tabs at one time, I disagree. The new tab limitation is a pretty lousy UI change. Its like Mozilla and MS are trying to outcrap each other in the UI department. At 1024x768 I get 10 tabs. Now I have to scroll tabs (!) or use the tab selector (ugly hack) to see the rest. I know there's a config item I can change to restore 1.5 like behavoir but I shouldnt have to do this in a browser that advertises the advantages of tabs. The old system worked fine: tabs would dynamically shrink as you add more. If a user wants to have nice big tabs they know not to open more than 8 or so. Those who dont need to be reminded that the green slashdot favicon is actually Slashdot.org could open 20-30 tabs. I paid for this RAM and I like using it. Now everyone gets big tabs no matter what.

      Also, why are extensions called "add-ons" now?

    3. Re:New version by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

      Girls like guys with big tabs.

    4. Re:New version by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

      20-30 tabs at a time? at 1024x768? you paid for extra ram, but are using a monitor from 1994? this is a resource allocation error but it is not the fault of Mozilla. hehe fault get it?

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    5. Re:New version by byolinux · · Score: 1

      Or he's using a small form factor laptop, like a ThinkPad or a 12 inch PowerBook.

    6. Re:New version by Fatalis · · Score: 1, Informative

      They are still called extensions, Add-ons is the name of the new manager for both extensions and themes. I think it comes from the Firefox Add-ons site.

      I am a bit disappointed about how tabs work now too, but the changes are probably for the best. Scrolling the tab strip with my mouse-wheel was I nice discovery. Too bad it's still not easier for non-developers to customize the interface. Opera lets you change the preferences through a user-friendly dialog, but in Firefox you're required to manually type in about:config, then "browser.tabs" and then not be confused with various programming terms.

      For myself, I changed browser.tabs.tabMinWidth to something small so it behaves like before 2.0 and browser.tabs.tabCloseButtons to 0 (only ever displays a close button on the active tab). I'm also thinking of adding some CSS to my userChrome.css to have tabs with system appearance again.

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  36. Its not a day early by Tama00 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Its tuesday here in Austalia, for all you who dont know, the main developer for Firefox lives in New Zealand!

    SO it is ontime, not early.. you people of slashdot are just slow.

    1. Re:Its not a day early by Orrin+Bloquy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does the en-NZ version render all the text upside-down?

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    2. Re:Its not a day early by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does the en-NZ version render all the text upside-down?

      Only in the northern hemisphere.

    3. Re:Its not a day early by Alcari · · Score: 1

      only if your monitor isn't down-under compatible

    4. Re:Its not a day early by Chris+Brewer · · Score: 1

      Not quite, the main developer (Ben) now lives in the Googleplex (from what I hear, why would you go home?)...he came from NZ...

      Some of the release code names for the 0.x series were named after Auckland suburbs (Greenlane, One Tree Hill, etc.)

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    5. Re:Its not a day early by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm having that problem too - I got all excited about Fedora Core 6 being released today, until I heared that it's scheduled for GMT 14:00, which is about 23:00 here. I wish the rest of the world would 'bloody well' catch up!

  37. Does this mean we'll start hearing about "-1 Day Exploits" now?

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    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah... It's Firefox. Unlike some other browsers, there won't be a vulnerability found within 24 hours.
      And within IE... well, that ships late anyway, so no -1-day-exploits there either...

  38. Software Update by Despero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I really wish it was out on Software Update already. That, in my opinion, was the best new feature in Firefox 1.5, and many more software programs should adopt it.

    1. Re:Software Update by BZ · · Score: 4, Informative

      It'll hit Software Update when it's actually been released.

    2. Re:Software Update by misleb · · Score: 1
      I really wish it was out on Software Update already. That, in my opinion, was the best new feature in Firefox 1.5, and many more software programs should adopt it.


      A few of the OS X apps that i use have an autoupdate feature. Textmate and Adium are two big ones. Oh, and iTunes, of course.

      -matthew
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    3. Re:Software Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor Windows user, has to update all his apps manualy...

    4. Re:Software Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As others have pointed out, 2.0 RC3 and the final version are identical, assuming no last minute disaster delays the release. The windows installer was re-signed, so it has a different hash than RC3, but otherwise it's the same files. So, there's no need to update from RC3, or to expect to be offered an update.

      The plan (and it's still just that) for 1.5.0.x users is to offer an update to 2 sometime after 1.5.0.8 is out. There are changes in 1.5.0.8 to support this better, and if you haven't manually updated to 2 you probably care more about extension compatibility. So the extra time for extension/theme authors to update is useful.

  39. Quick Question; by MaXiMiUS · · Score: 1

    Does anybody know of a Session Saver equivalent that works with 2.0? That's my single favorite extension, bar none.

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    1. Re:Quick Question; by Sarusa · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's built in!

      Options -> main -> startup -> when firefox starts -> show my windows and tabs from last time.

    2. Re:Quick Question; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, you can download it here

  40. Hmm... [Re:I'll upgrade if] by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 1
    Firefox 1.0 - 1.5.0.* ALL
    He's going to need the Nightly Tester Tools, too, in that case...
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    1. Re:Hmm... [Re:I'll upgrade if] by damiam · · Score: 1

      Nope. FF2 has a setting allowing you to install incompatible extensions without the NTT.

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    2. Re:Hmm... [Re:I'll upgrade if] by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 1
      Nope. FF2 has a setting allowing you to install incompatible extensions without the NTT.
      Only if the extension was installed before upgrading.
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    3. Re:Hmm... [Re:I'll upgrade if] by charlieman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe they'll do an extension to let the extension install after upgrading. Firefox: extensions extensions extensions!... and look! it also surfs the internet...

    4. Re:Hmm... [Re:I'll upgrade if] by ESqVIP · · Score: 1

      Just setting extensions.checkCompatibility to false and will allow you to install new incompatible extensions too. I've already done it (on RC3, but hey, I doubt that'd change now), and the Knowledge Base says the same.

    5. Re:Hmm... [Re:I'll upgrade if] by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      Firefox: extensions extensions extensions!... and look

      ...out for that chair!! Developers!!! YEEAARRGGHH!!!!

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  41. Did they fix the keyboard-go-dead problems? by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    ...because RC2 for MacOS X had massive problems whereby ALL keystrokes (typing in text fields on a page OR the browser search/URL bar) would simply stop working. This was most irritating when filling out forms and a MAJOR bug for a "release candidate", in my book.

    About the only way to get keys to work again was to select+copy some text and paste it into a field. That would give you a 1 in 3 chance of reactivating the ability to type...

    Did I mention the problem pops up with almost every new release on OS X? 1.0 did it, 1.5 previews did it...

    1. Re:Did they fix the keyboard-go-dead problems? by lxs · · Score: 1

      minefield has it too (3.0 alpha release for OSX, fairly reliable if you don't try to use the bookmark manager and twice as fast as 2.0, which is why I'm using an alpha release)

      This time it happens only in the search bar.

      Speaking of minefield, now v2.0 is released, I hope they have time to work on 3.0 once again. There used to be daily updates.

    2. Re:Did they fix the keyboard-go-dead problems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one really uses Firesucks on OSX anyways. We have better browsers here.

    3. Re:Did they fix the keyboard-go-dead problems? by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      I've been running Firefox on OSX for at least a year. Apparently someone has made a Safari version of the HTML Validator extension (which is currently unavailable for FF2.0/Mac; the developer says he's working on it), so I could probably switch back if I really wanted to... but FF2.0 takes away most of the reasons I would have for switching back (spell check, improved tab UI, etc.).

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  42. Firefox2 v IE7 by Threni · · Score: 1

    IE7 doesn't even work on my OS (Windows 2000). Guess it's going to have to be Firefox 2 then!

  43. Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The .exe installer size is approximately

    5.7 MB
    5.4 MiB
    45.6 Mb
    43.5 Mib

    1. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by WilliamSChips · · Score: 3, Funny

      There is no such thing as a mebibyte. A megabyte is always 1048576 bytes. You also never use megabits when referring to file sizes, only when referring to the speed of a network connection. A megabit is 1000000 bits but it's rarely seen not per second.

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    2. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by dotgain · · Score: 3, Informative
      Sorry, the SI guys were in before.

      A MEGA-anything is a million. It has nothing to do with RAM manufacture, a filesize has no reason to be measured in power-of-two quantities.

    3. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by AJWM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      a filesize has no reason to be measured in power-of-two quantities.

      A filesize has lots of reasons to be measured in power-of-two quantities. If you don't think so, let us know which drives use powers-of-ten sector sizes and which filesystems read/write powers-of-ten block sizes.

      (The SI guys can take a hike. The computer industry has been using kilo, mega, etc for powers-of-two since they got away from decimal computers almost 50 years ago now. It was the disk drive marketing guys who started pre-empting that so that they could advertise their eg 95.37 MB drives as 100 MB.)

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    4. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by FST777 · · Score: 1

      No, there are just about a million of them. Or 1,048,576 (or 1.048.576) to avoid another flamewar.

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    5. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by dotgain · · Score: 2, Insightful
      He didn't give the filesize in sectors, who does? He gave it in BYTES (both Mega- and Mebi- bytes). While I hate the name "Mebi" as much as you do, it doesn't change the fact that we're not interested in the filesize in blocks. Our ISP will tariff using SI units, and just because our disk is broken into 512 or 1024 or whatever blocks doesn't mean we're interested in how many.

      Like you, I used to think disk manufacturers were behind this for the purpose of deception, but it turns out they've been correct all along (with a few exceptions, but we won't go into that here.)

      When we enquire of a filesize, it's often to calculate how long it will take to travel a certain data link. Base 2 math is entirely irrelevant there, and it makes pure sense to treat Mega as meaning "one million, +/- zero".

      Please don't fight it. It's important we make the distinction consistently so we can get out of this mess for once and for all. Regards, Ben.

    6. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids on my block have always said that spiders are insects. The biologist can take a hike. Insects have six legs EXCEPT when dealing with spiders, in which case insects have 8 legs. There's no way I'm gonna start using their gay "arachnid" terminology.

    7. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      There is a technical reason to use 'megabytes' as a power of two. There is no technical reason to use 'insect' to refer to a spider.
      There is no technical reason to use 'megabytes' as a power of ten. There is a technical reason not to use 'insect' to refer to a spider.

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    8. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you don't think so, let us know which drives use powers-of-ten sector sizes

      I don't know what, if any, drives use power of ten sector sizes, but I guarantee you that no modern drive uses powers of 2 for its sector size. They often use it for sector payload size, but the actual sector consists of many more bits than just the payload.

      For example, a DVD sector has a payload of 2048 but a total length of 2064 which includes 4 byte ID, a 2 byte IES, 6 bytes of CPR MAI and a 4 byte EDC. But, if you take it even further, the data gets reed-solomon ECC data included for each frame of 16 sectors (a frame being the smallest possible piece of data to write to a DVD) plus it all gets encoded in EFM with the end result that each sector is 38688 bits long, but interleaved with the other 16 sectors in that frame. See here: http://pioneer.jp/crdl/tech/dvd/2-3-e.html

      Hard disks have similar funky layouts, although I don't think interleaving is usually part of it and the specs aren't so easy to hunt down because they are often unique to each model from each manufacturer.

      You might argue that sector payload is what "counts" - to that I say you are making up an arbitrary distinction. If that were an acceptable argument, then one could say the same thing about networks - that it is the packet payload that counts and not the raw packet itself. After all, with the earlier MFM and RLL drives, the entire sector contents were exposed to the disk controller card on the system just like the entire packet contents are exposed to the network interface cards on current systems (presuming you don't have a tcp offload engine or the like, that is).

      which filesystems read/write powers-of-ten block sizes.

      Here you are correct. But the reason has nothing to do with the nature of disks, but rather with the binary nature of RAM and the data types used to keep track of the data on disk.

    9. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a technical reason for measuring bytes in chunks of 1,048,576, but there is no technical reason for naming that chunk a "megabyte".

    10. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Funny
      (The SI guys can take a hike. The computer industry has been using kilo, mega, etc for powers-of-two since they got away from decimal computers almost 50 years ago now. It was the disk drive marketing guys who started pre-empting that so that they could advertise their eg 95.37 MB drives as 100 MB.)

      It's people like you who cause entire space missions to fail. "Mega" has meant a power of TEN for much longer than "the computer industry." Besides, computers are used outside the computer industry these days.

      Get with the times an learn the difference between Mi M Ki K Gi G B b etc..

      Any decent engineer would loathe ambiguity. You think "mega" should mean different things depending on context? What are you, a Perl programmer?!? DEMONS BE GONE!!
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    11. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Ma�djeurtam · · Score: 1

      Where I live, we'd actually write it 1 048 576, you insensitive clod!

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    12. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by UncleFluffy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, the SI guys were in before.

      A MEGA-anything is a million. It has nothing to do with RAM manufacture, a filesize has no reason to be measured in power-of-two quantities.

      It's because, as everyone knows, data is slightly compressible. If you define the height of a single bit as 1 arbitary unit, when you stack 1024 of them on top of each other, the weight of all those bits squashes them down so that the stack is only 1000 units high. As soon as you pull one out of the stack to look at it, it springs back to its original size.

      More seriously, this "maybe-bytes" rubbish annoys the crap out of me. A megabyte has been 2^20 bytes for all of the 25-odd years I've been in this field, and has been understood to be so by the vast majority of skilled professionals. It's completely normal for specialised fields to slightly redefine some terms for greater utility, and, in computing, powers of two have far more utility than powers of ten.

      Besides, SI deals with physical quantities. Bits are abstractions with no physical reality, so they don't fall within the scope of SI.

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    13. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Any decent engineer would loathe ambiguity. You think "mega" should mean different things depending on context? What are you, a Perl programmer?!? DEMONS BE GONE!!

      Well, it was different but atleast consistent until the marketing department of the harddisk manufacturers got involved and screwed it all up for the rest of us. And for the most part, they are the only ones still at it. My "512MB" stick of memory contains 536,870,912 bytes of memory, not 512,000,000.

    14. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      A filesize has lots of reasons to be measured in power-of-two quantities. If you don't think so, let us know which drives use powers-of-ten sector sizes and which filesystems read/write powers-of-ten block sizes.

      That's not a good reason to use power-of-two quantities. We're past the time were user interface has to adapt to the computer so not to strain its CPU, versus the interface to adapt to the human, so not to strain him.

      As I'm typing this to represent my thoughts, I am using Unicode sequence upon rendered vector fonts upon subpixel type rendering upon kerning, spacing and hinting, upon GUI layers mixing GDI, DirectX, upon application logic upon OS drivers, core, swapping and all chaos that keeps my machine running and looking relatively accessible to a human being, despite its cold computer internals.

      I'm fairly sure my processor won't max out if, say, Windows starts displaying kilo/mega/giga etc. based on a widely accepted and universally understood decimal base.

    15. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by edwdig · · Score: 1

      You might argue that sector payload is what "counts" - to that I say you are making up an arbitrary distinction. If that were an acceptable argument, then one could say the same thing about networks - that it is the packet payload that counts and not the raw packet itself. After all, with the earlier MFM and RLL drives, the entire sector contents were exposed to the disk controller card on the system just like the entire packet contents are exposed to the network interface cards on current systems (presuming you don't have a tcp offload engine or the like, that is).

      Well, at least on hard disks, any data outside of the payload isn't accessible or standardized in any way. The drive takes read and write requests in units of 512 byte sectors. That's the only unit of any meaning.

      I don't know much about DVDs, but I do know CDs have odd sized sectors as well. At least with CDs, it was possible to read the raw sectors off. You would at least have a case there for non power of two measurements. That said, the sector size is a consequence of the intended payload size, so it's not like the power of 2 number is an accident.

      which filesystems read/write powers-of-ten block sizes.

      Here you are correct. But the reason has nothing to do with the nature of disks, but rather with the binary nature of RAM and the data types used to keep track of the data on disk.


      Nope, that's entirely due to the fact that the minimum addressable unit of a disk drive is a power of two. It wouldn't make sense to allocate data in, say, 500 byte chunks if you can only read and write it in 512 byte chunks.

    16. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      Actually it's 45.6 Mb

      Nope, it's in fact 1.36 Gb, after you decompress it, open it in a hex editor and save it as a text file with "1"-s and "0"-s.

    17. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by IHateAllofYou · · Score: 1

      I just burned the inside of my nose with hot coffee, I'd mod you up but it's not my turn. That and PERL was a great language.

    18. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by slamb · · Score: 1
      Well, it was different but atleast consistent until the marketing department of the harddisk manufacturers got involved and screwed it all up for the rest of us. And for the most part, they are the only ones still at it. My "512MB" stick of memory contains 536,870,912 bytes of memory, not 512,000,000.

      Ignoring for a second that "different" means "inconsistent", you're still wrong - it was never consistent even within the computer industry. Pop quiz:

      • How long would it take to transfer a 1 GB file over a 512 kbps link? [*]
      • How many bytes on a 1.44 MB floppy?
      • How many times per second does the clock cycle on my 1 GHz Athlon processor?

      Use the new definitions. "1 GiB" is much clearer, and eventually people will know that "1 GB" means something else in new software. This sort of switchover is not unprecedented - IIRC astronomy switched to use the same notation for the polarization of light as engineering. Papers around the time would carefully note which definition they used. Ones well before or well after are obvious. More complicated for the computer industry, but not impossible.

      [*] - Massive extra credit for correctly considering the protocol overhead for...we'll say FTP over PPPoA VC/Mux over ADSL...but that's not the point of the question.

    19. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

      That's why it's easier to call them arthropods, duh. I suppose you're one of those people that call Daddy Long Legs, spiders(or insects) when they're really in the Order Opiliones.

      Now, what the hell was the OP about again?

    20. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Joey7F · · Score: 1

      Meh, most Engineers don't care. If I can say gravity is 10m/s/s, PI is 3, base current on transistors is 0, I can certainly be fine with 1000 ~ 1024

      -Joey

    21. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the quantity that's being governed by SI, it's the prefixes.

    22. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by AaronPSU777 · · Score: 1

      Well you can say it all you want but that doesn't mean engineers are ok with it. I can't say much about transistors as I'm a mechanical engineer but I never had a professor in 6 years of schooling that would have been ok with me using 10 m/s^2 for g and 3 for pi for calculations. Perhaps rudimentary back of the envelope deals but that's it. It's simply bad form, especially in these days of pocket calculators.

    23. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's up with these "Nope, " on slashdot? Disk drives can read and write in 512-byte chucks not because the magnetic platter surface demands it, but to please the rest of the computer system.

    24. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by quizzicus · · Score: 1

      How do you pronounce GiB?

    25. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by xant · · Score: 1

      You got modded funny but I honestly can't tell. I'll answer as if you're being serious. :-)

      Words mean different things depending on context. Period. Nothing you can do about it.

      If you want no ambiguity, you also have to provide a linguistic standard that people will like enough to actually use.

      How about "1024 bytes", if that's what you mean. I think I could calculate the exact number of bytes in 2**20 bytes faster than I could remember how to pronounce the SI abbreviation.

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    26. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by arose · · Score: 1

      Gibibyte...

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    27. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by edwdig · · Score: 1

      The magnetic platter surface certainly doesn't care about the sector size, but controller chips that make it work certainly prefer working in powers of 2 instead of 10.

      It's *much* easier for the software running on the CPU to handle arbitrary bases than it is for the disk controller to do it.

    28. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      > I suppose you're one of those people that call Daddy Long Legs, spiders
      Yes, because they are:
      because they are
      Unless they're not.

      Kind of make you wish they had different names, doesn't it?

      Which is exactly the point of MiB vs MB - though I honestly have no idea if you're pro MiB or not, I lost track ;)

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    29. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      What are you, a Perl programmer?!? DEMONS BE GONE!!

      Hey now! Perl is better about working consistently regardless of context than a lot of other languages. It's just... well... sort of confusing to figure out how it consistently works, sometimes. :-P

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    30. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gibblyblite?

    31. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, with Perl there's more than one way to fly your multi-billion dollar space vehicle into the moon!

      Of course, if you're British, that's 1,000 times more expensive a mistake than if you're American...

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    32. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no technical reason to use 'megabytes' as a power of ten

      Two words: communication channels.
      Is e.g. E1 link 2Mbit/s or 2Mibit/s? How about ADSL (or ethernet or ...)?

      Think about it.

    33. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      For some reason I internally pronounce it as "Gimpibyte", but I may have some issues I need to work out.

    34. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      There is nothing inherently power-of-ten about those systems.

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    35. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      And it also invites those pesky Sycorax.

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    36. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by dotgain · · Score: 1

      Neither. 2 048 000.

    37. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      And it also invites those pesky Sycorax.

      Easily dealt with, though. We've got a bunch of incompetents in a bunker in Cardiff, who keep gas-based aliens in cells with holes in the door, casually throw sharp tools at each other, misuse alien artefacts for seductive purposes, and order pizza from a local store in the name of their ultra-secret organisation. THEY'LL sort out those nasty Sycorax!

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    38. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Jetekus · · Score: 1

      erm... I'm pretty sure they were using kilo and mega a bit before the invention of the computer....

    39. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by taobill · · Score: 1
      A filesize has lots of reasons to be measured in power-of-two quantities. If you don't think so, let us know which drives use powers-of-ten sector sizes and which filesystems read/write powers-of-ten block sizes.

      What has the that got to do with the price of fish?

      For at least the last, ooh, 18 years or so, the paradigm implemented by most filesystems is to provide things called "files" which look like an array of bytes whose length can be any integer number of those bytes. Powers of two don't enter into it.

    40. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by taobill · · Score: 1

      In My Experience, 'bit' is not abbreviated, and lower case 'b' is never used. So in this case it would be:

      5.7 MB
      5.4 MiB
      45.6 Mbit
      43.5 Mibit

      Hmmm. I tried to use &nbsp; between the value and the unit, but Slashdot appears to elide that entity. Hmmm. Bad Slashdot. Must try harder.

    41. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by taobill · · Score: 1

      Can't tell if you're trolling or you're just really badly informed. Ah well, here goes:

      There is no such thing as a mebibyte.

      Wrong. I could quote you a normative reference, but I can't be bothered. In contrast, you cannot quote a normative reference which proves that there is no such thing. Bad luck, try again.

      A megabyte is always 1048576 bytes.

      Wrong. According to written definition a megabyte is 10^6 bytes. Historical computing usage has it as 2^20 bytes, but it is not wise to insist that that is the only interpretation. Indeed, if you really want to express 2^20 bytes, you are better off using the term mebibyte (MiB) because that is, unambiguously, 2^20 bytes, and can never be anything else.

      You also never use megabits when referring to file sizes,

      "Never"? That's a bit strong. What if I were storing, say 128-bit MD5 digests? It might make sense to talk about my filesize in term of bits, at least for an intermediate value.

      only when referring to the speed of a network connection.

      "only"? Again, a bit strong. If you're going to argue, you need to make sure everything you say is 100% factually correct.

      A megabit is 1000000 bits but it's rarely seen not per second.

      OK, you have something there. Megabits are more commonly used per time interval than on their own.

      So what do we have? One out of five? Doesn't really convince me that you have any idea what you are talking about.

    42. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2

      No. Numbers do not mean different things depending on context. That is a terrible idea and and anyone who thinks that is a good thing should be shot.

      kilo = 1000. universally.

      how stupid would it be to say ten = 10, except when we are talking about industry X, then ten = 12? terribly stupid. kilo = 1000, kibi = 1024. if you hate the word kibi, then just write 1024. end of story. no context mystery. no ambiguity.

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    43. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by xant · · Score: 1

      You've missed the point. I am not saying numbers should mean different things based on context. I'm saying this is the real world, and that's how it works in the real world. If you don't like it, come up with a better solution.

      BTW:

      10 (base 10) = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1

      10 (base 16) = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1

      Knowing the context is pretty important, I'd say.

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    44. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      We aren't writing in hex. We are writing in decimal. "Ten" is a decimal word. "Kilo" is also a decimal word. You are correct in saying that "decimal" is a context. But, more practically, I was addressing the idea that 10=12 depending on the industry. That's whack, and some people seem to like that manner of whackedness.

      The natural number 10 is 10 regardless of context.

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    45. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there is nothing inherently power-of-ten about measurements in science or engineering. The point of the metric system is that when something has no inherent base, powers-of-10 prefixes are the sanest choice.

    46. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Limburgher · · Score: 1

      To split hairs, bits are not solely abstract. They are primarily so, to be sure, but they are physically measurable in all their forms. Disk? Patterns of magnetism. RAM? Transistor state. Network? Current state. Fiber? Photon patterns. Paper? ASCII text or images.
      As such, I think SI ought to apply.

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    47. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by UncleFluffy · · Score: 1

      It's not the quantity that's being governed by SI, it's the prefixes.

      The prefixes are defined for use with the units that SI measures. "Mega-" as a prefix for anything other than length, mass, time, current, temperature, amount of substance or luminous intensity is not defined by SI. People (in particular, HD company marketing drones) ignorantly assuming that it is defined for other things is what got us into this mess.

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    48. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by UncleFluffy · · Score: 1

      To split hairs, bits are not solely abstract. They are primarily so, to be sure, but they are physically measurable in all their forms.

      True, but there's no direct mapping between the two. You can't say, for example, that: "0V = logic 0, 1V = logic 1, therefore 1000(1024?)V = 1 kilobit". There's always a context-dependent interpretation/quantisation layer between them.

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    49. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      It's *much* easier for the software running on the CPU to handle arbitrary bases than it is for the disk controller to do it.

      Bingo. You have just said exactly what I said:

      rather with the binary nature of RAM and the data types used to keep track of the data on disk.

    50. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather see SI enriched with new units and prefixes rather than have different systems for things "outside of SI" since SI has the potential to cover *everything* that can be measured in a nice, orthogonal manner.

    51. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      Er, I guess not. That's what I get for reading too quickly and assuming a modicum of sense.

      It's *much* easier for the software running on the CPU to handle arbitrary bases than it is for the disk controller to do it.

      Since the raw disk is ALREADY not base-2, as I clearly demonstrated in explaining how DVDs are layed out, and by inference regular disks too, clearly the disk controller is ALREADY working with data layouts that are not base-2.

    52. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by after+fallout · · Score: 1

      and just how much is a billion?
      10^9 or 10^12

      Numbers are the same in every language (as long as they are the same base). Words mean different things.

    53. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Ignoring for a second that "different" means "inconsistent", you're still wrong - it was never consistent even within the computer industry.

      Of course, all your examples are fairly recent.

      It's 1985:
      How many bytes on a 20MB harddrive?
      How much bytes can you fit on a 360KB diskette?
      How long would it take it transfer the contents of said diskette over a 2400baud modem?
      How many bytes of memory in a Commodore 64?

      All of those questions have straitforward answers, because back then, kilo = 2^10, mega = 2^20, etc. when it came to storage (clockspeed has always used the standard definitions AFAIK. 1Khz = 1000Hz, etc.) Different, but consistent. Of course, you can argue that they should have never started doing things that way, but that's the way they did it.

    54. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      But filesizes do have an inherent base. 2.

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    55. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah? Dozen. Means thirteen to a baker.

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    56. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by slamb · · Score: 1
      Of course, all your examples are fairly recent.

      I used examples relevant today. If you want older ones, they're essentially unchanged:

      • How long would it take to send a 1 MB file over a 1.544 Mbps DS1?
      • How many times per second does the clock cycle on my 4.77 MHz IBM XT?
      How long would it take it transfer the contents of said diskette over a 2400baud modem?

      Probably less long than you'd think, if any such modem ever existed. 2400 bps modems were 600 baud.

      (clockspeed has always used the standard definitions AFAIK. 1Khz = 1000Hz, etc.)

      It's khz, small k. Now I understand why you don't see the problem. It causes headaches for people familiar with the SI prefixes outside of computing.

      Different, but consistent.

      That phrase is nonsense. If they were consistent, they'd be the same, by definition. You previously said that the computer industry was consistent. I showed that only one of three situations within the computer industry used the definition you gave, and you agreed. It's not consistent, and there are many situations where conversions between these three situations causes confusion.

    57. Re:Actually it's 45.6 Mb by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      haha. ok. you win.

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  44. Re:Reply to Myself! by MaXiMiUS · · Score: 0

    Turns out that's actually included as default functionality in 2.0! I wonder what other plugins/extensions/add-ons (whatever they're being called now..) I won't need anymore..

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  45. word to this by thdexter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At this writing,
    http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
    and
    http://www.getfirefox.com/
    and
    http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/
    all only say Firefox 1.5. Come f-ing on, slashdot, after having jumped the gun several times on freebsd. do they really need emails from everyone that produces software saying "only announce things when they're really announced" before checking a single website or two to see if something's officially out?

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    1. Re:word to this by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, this way early adopters get it now, and other FFers get it tomorrow. Spreads the server death out a bit, makes it more endurable.

    2. Re:word to this by Skater · · Score: 1

      I was sure you were going to link to this infamous story. :)

    3. Re:word to this by drew · · Score: 1
      after having jumped the gun several times on freebsd

      Not to mention they did the same thing for Firefox 1.5 and (I think) 1.0 as well...

      You'd think they'd learn sooner or later.
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  46. I'll wait for IceFox / IceWolf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Btw, the "Weasel" name is messed up for obvious marketing reasons.

    There was Phoenix.
    Then there was Firebird.
    Then there was Firebird and Thunderbird.

    Then Firebird became Firefox.
    I was waiting for Thunderfox, but I guess the car company never sued.

    But the original naming was about birds of elemental nature.

    Why was Weasel chosen over something that people would actually use?

    Why not keep Fox.
    If not, why not Wolf.
    I know Coyote is to hard.

  47. This News Just IN: by buswolley · · Score: 1

    Firefox 1.5 onslaught kills Mozilla. Firefox 2.0 side lined.

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  48. New feature worth having (resume session) by torpedo20 · · Score: 1

    Resuming your browsing session: The Session Restore feature restores windows, tabs, text typed in forms, and in-progress downloads from the last user session. It will be activated automatically when installing an application update or extension, and users will be asked if they want to resume their previous session after a system crash. To activate: Under "Options"- "Main" tab - from the drop down menu "When Firefox starts:" select "Show my windows and tabs from the last time". This feature is gold and alone make it worthwhile to upgrade.

    1. Re:New feature worth having (resume session) by Alcari · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, and If you hit a site which causes the browser to crash, you can restart it with every site you've had opened ready to go and......oh wait......

    2. Re:New feature worth having (resume session) by Pecisk · · Score: 1

      And you can choose to allow Firefox crash again OR launch a new session. Simple dialog box, use old, create new.

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  49. It's wonderful except... by slaker · · Score: 1

    It's wonderful but Magpie is not working.
    Sniff.

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  50. Font Smoothing by Threni · · Score: 1

    Any way I can smooth fonts in my browser without having Windows apply it to every other app? Also, Windows doesn't always smooth enough for me.

    1. Re:Font Smoothing by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you're not using cleartype, you will have crap smoothing. If you don't have an LCD, you can't use cleartype. Basic antialiasing does just that, antialiasing. Cleartype does numerous other things, including tweaking kerning, tracking, and some other attributes of type to get it to display more accurately (closer to WYSIWYG) and to look better, above and beyond the subpixel font rendering that we all know it for.

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    2. Re:Font Smoothing by Threni · · Score: 1

      > If you're not using cleartype, you will have crap smoothing.

      I have it turned off because I don't like it. It looks ok on large fonts, but on the size I use it smoothes away detail I like to see. I have an LCD. I was just wondering if some other technology made the fonts smoother AND clearer, or just better, in some way that apparently cleartype tries (but in my opinion fails) to do.

    3. Re:Font Smoothing by Threni · · Score: 1

      I just downloaded a little Cleartype tweaker from Microsoft. It's no use, though. When cleartype is turned off, my text is sharp and clear. With it turned on, it smudges the text; also the colour changes from black on white to green and red. Finally, it makes Thai script almost impossible to read. As I suggested, it's fine on large fonts, such as on headlines. If I could turn it on just for that it'd be nice. If I'd not wanted sharp text, I wouldn't have bought an LCD monitor.

    4. Re:Font Smoothing by Anal+Cock · · Score: 0
      If you don't have an LCD, you can't use cleartype
      What? Of course you can. It does anti-aliasing, which is useful on both CRTs and LCDs. I hate the pixelly mess you get when you don't have cleartype enabled ;)
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    5. Re:Font Smoothing by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Okay, you can use it, but it makes the edges of fonts purple and green. It's not so horrible on a really high-resolution display (as in pixels per inch) but it always makes the text look "crunchy".

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  51. Snappy and uses less memory by Sarusa · · Score: 5, Informative

    One thing not really mentioned in the preview is that they definitely seem to have the memory under control finally. I've had up to 30 tabs open (only a dozen now) and have been using it all day and it's only using 75MB of memory. FF1.5 would be hovering around 250MB after the same use.

    It also feels much snappier in general, if only because it's not sprawling all over the paging file (I don't know what other speed tweaks it has).

    All my extensions except undoclosetab updated automatically (and that's built in now) so that was probably the smoothest upgrade I've ever had. Though I use the LittleFox theme and I was on version 1.5, which looked very strange in FF2.0. But after a manual 'look for updates' for themese it found LittleFox 1.7 which looks great.

    So far I'm very pleased with it.

    1. Re:Snappy and uses less memory by cyclocommuter · · Score: 1

      Yes it looks like they finally nailed the memory problem with 2.0. After hours browsing with dozens of sites many opened in multiple tabs simultaneously, my memory usage never went beyond 100 MB... and this is with about a dozen extensions including NoScript, Adblock, Flashblock, FireFTP, ForecastFox, etc. I also noticed that 2.0 launched much faster than 1.5.x.x.

    2. Re:Snappy and uses less memory by Threni · · Score: 1

      > So far I'm very pleased with it.

      Talking of tabs, it's now not possible to click the little red `close tab` icon near the top right of the window. Instead you have to close each of the tabs you want to shut manually. Tedious. I don't want `close other tab` because I don't want to close all the other tabs, just the right 5, say.

    3. Re:Snappy and uses less memory by sdnoob · · Score: 1

      holy free ram batman!!! finally, the days of 400mb+ ram usage are over! (highest i experienced was 744mb)

      i was all but ready to dump firefox for something else because it was just getting way out of hand.

      i dunno if it's actually version 2.0, or the upgrade disabling a few incompatible extensions (one of which could have been the culprit) that did it, but at this point in time, i don't really care! i finally got my computer back without having to shut down firefox to use it for something else.

      was was surprised to see my "must have" extensions still intact, and even an update to phoenity theme (although its "go" button needs to lose the text when using "small icons")... and that in-form spell checker is sweet (doesn't even bitch about my refusal to use caps and proper punctuation! ;)

    4. Re:Snappy and uses less memory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      type 'about:config' in your address bar - change the tab thingy from 1 to 3 and you get back the close button on the right side. ...now to figure out how to get all tabs viewable, no matter how many I have open.

    5. Re:Snappy and uses less memory by Threni · · Score: 1

      There's an option there for `max tabs before warn` which might help, although it's set to 15 on mine and I didn't get a warning when I opened more. There's a little project for someone - adding a little description/front end to *all* the items in about:Config!

  52. Re:Reply to Myself! by Despero · · Score: 1

    This is actually something that Opera has featured for quite a long time. I have always loved Opera's ability to save sessions, not just continuing from last time. You can save multiple sessions and use them whenever you like.

  53. Firefox 3.0 by RobertF · · Score: 4, Informative

    Meh. As a web developer, I'm more anxious for the release of Firefox 3.0. Firefox 2 uses the same rendering engine as 1.5, they just wanted to compete with IE 7. Bah! I want a new Gecko!

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    1. Re:Firefox 3.0 by Heddahenrik · · Score: 2, Informative

      So we have to wait for 3.0 until "display: block-inline" works and we finally get rid of the horrible tricks explained on http://www.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie/centered_ima ge_gallery_with_captions.htm ?

      Gecko is the last engine that doesn't have a working "display: block-inline". Quite annoying. I have even ignored a few of IE6.0's bugs as 7.0 is shipping now, but it's hard to ignore the lastest Firefox.

    2. Re:Firefox 3.0 by Heddahenrik · · Score: 1

      It's called "display:inline-block;", nothing else.

    3. Re:Firefox 3.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, it could be worse: You could be working for an employer who forces your pages to be HTML 3.2 compliant.

      Oddly enough if you stop worrying about the latest whiz-bang isn't-that-cool crap, you find yourself more able to get real work done - instead of farting around wasting time making the latest whiz-bang isn't-that-cool crap to work on every browser.

      But to talk to most web guys and you come away with the impression that they're not here to get work done. They're here to futz around with whiz-bang isn't-that-cool crap and waste time making it work with every browser under the sun.

      Well, hope you (and your employer) enjoy wasting your time... since you have only yourself to blame...

    4. Re:Firefox 3.0 by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      But to talk to most web guys and you come away with the impression that they're not here to get work done. They're here to futz around with whiz-bang isn't-that-cool crap and waste time making it work with every browser under the sun.

      Strange... usually the web guys who want to futz around with whiz-bang isn't-that-cool crap are loathed and despised by the web guys who want to make their sites work with every browser under the sun (which isn't a waste of time at all if the site you're working on has any connection to generating revenue for your client).

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  54. Opera by Nicolay77 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Unless you're an Opera user. We have that feature for several years now. :P

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  55. Google Personalized Homepage breaks in FF2 by Dram · · Score: 1

    Is anybody else running into the problem of Google Personalized Homepage breaking in FF2? I'm running the en-GB version that was linked in the article. As far as I can tell the tabs on Google's Personalized Homepage don't work. I'm about to install FF2 on my Mac, I'll see if the error is there too.

    1. Re:Google Personalized Homepage breaks in FF2 by Hennell · · Score: 1

      Nope. Works fine here (Windows xp with linked exe.)

      As does Firefox 2.0 in genral. I like the xml/live bookmarks feature: shows the page (not code) and gives options for subscribing... nice.

    2. Re:Google Personalized Homepage breaks in FF2 by Dram · · Score: 1

      I don't have this problem on my Mac, and it has gone away on Windows. Odd, oh well.

    3. Re:Google Personalized Homepage breaks in FF2 by dlim · · Score: 1

      I've been using the FF2 RC3 with no issues clicking tabs on the Google Personalized Homepage. Unless they broke something going from RC3 to Release, I wouldn't expect you to have that problem.

    4. Re:Google Personalized Homepage breaks in FF2 by Dram · · Score: 1

      I didn't have a problem with FF2RC3 either. It was odd that it just started, but I had a friend that it happened to as well. Even more odd that the problem just cleared up by itself.

  56. Under the wire by Teilo · · Score: 1

    Am I ever so glad that I grabbed my copy 30 minutes before somebody told Slashdot about it.

    --
    Mir tut es leid, Menschen daß Einfältigfehlersuchenbaumfolgendenaffen sind.
  57. 300 Memes Crushed in Sri Lana Tsunami! by BeeBeard · · Score: 3, Funny

    Woo woo fake trolls!

  58. BitTorrent links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Official Mozilla BitTorrent site:
    http://bittorrent.mozilla.org/
    (2.0 is not there yet, but use that link when it gets updated)

    Unofficial torrents (Website ads are NSFW):
    http://torrentspy.com/torrent/891929/Firefox_2_0_F inal_EN_US
    http://torrentspy.com/torrent/891930/Firefox_2_0_F inal_EN_GB
    (The first link is US version, second is GB version)

    (posted AC to avoid karma-whoring)

    1. Re:BitTorrent links by jbrader · · Score: 1

      Are American and British English really so different that we need different browser versions? Or am I missing something?

      --
      You are so boring that when I see you my feet go to sleep.
    2. Re:BitTorrent links by WilliamSChips · · Score: 4, Informative

      The new Firefox has a spell checker(one of the first things I disabled). There are spelling differences between US and UK English.

      --
      Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
    3. Re:BitTorrent links by jbrader · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah I actually new that. I like the spellchecker because I can think like a college grad but I spell like a 4 year old.

      --
      You are so boring that when I see you my feet go to sleep.
    4. Re:BitTorrent links by jZnat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With all the Americans making fun of the word "colour" and the non-Americans wanting their version of English to remain pure, forcing either locale is just a flamewar waiting to happen.

      --
      'Yes, firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.'
    5. Re:BitTorrent links by kennygraham · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh yeah I actually new that. I like the spellchecker because I can think like a college grad but I spell like a 4 year old.

      Seems not even the spell checker will help you.

    6. Re:BitTorrent links by carlmenezes · · Score: 1

      Thanks, but I'll wait. Am writing this comment using Firefox 2 RC3. Am really happy the way its working so far and will gladly wait a few more hours and receive my new browser via automatic update. I guess I just want to be sure that I'm counted as a Firefox user. I mean, come on, its the market share and the numbers that make M$ sh*t their pants right? and this is Slashdot right? So....we can kinda give them some real numbers for their release figures. I mean, if you simply MUST have Firefox 2, go and download RC3 and then just let it update itself in a few hours.

      --
      Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
    7. Re:BitTorrent links by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Informative

      (posted AC to avoid karma-whoring)


      You know, it's not karma "whoring" when you post a useful post. Don't try to put the moderating system up-side-down, because of some ill-understood posting moral considerations.
    8. Re:BitTorrent links by Forge · · Score: 0

      I'll give you 2-1 odds he is a lttle dislexic.

      Trust me. I should know.

      --
      --= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
    9. Re:BitTorrent links by Meatloaf+Surprise · · Score: 2, Informative

      The default searches are different as well. The American one searches the normal Amazon and Yahoo

    10. Re:BitTorrent links by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Funny
      The American one searches the normal Amazon and Yahoo

      So the British version uses the perverted and kinky sites?

    11. Re:BitTorrent links by ben+there... · · Score: 1

      My post is a partial dupe of a post further down. Rather than have people mod me redundant because they see me getting a lot of karma for a dupe, I'd rather they mod the AC post up if they want the links near the article to alleviate some of the bandwidth problems from this early leak. I don't deserve karma for a dupe.

    12. Re:BitTorrent links by jbrader · · Score: 1

      Haha I wrote that on 1.5 See? I need a checker.

      --
      You are so boring that when I see you my feet go to sleep.
    13. Re:BitTorrent links by jbrader · · Score: 1
      Huh. When I was in Amsterdam, google automagically searched google.nl from my American laptop.

      Another funny thing I've just noticed is that the spell checker flags Google as correct google as misspelled and googol (which is how the number is spelled) as misspelled. Endlessly fascinating.

      --
      You are so boring that when I see you my feet go to sleep.
    14. Re:BitTorrent links by Rellik66 · · Score: 0, Redundant
      Haha I wrote that on 1.5 See? I need a checker.

      The catch here is that was a grammatical error, not a spelling error, so a spell checker won't even know that you meant to use 'knew' instead of 'new'.

      --

      Too many zeros, not enough ones

    15. Re:BitTorrent links by Meatloaf+Surprise · · Score: 2, Funny

      Doing a quick search of 'ham' on Amazon US/UK yeilds the following results:

      American: top 6 results are for ham (normal)

      UK: 3rd result is for Hardcore Eurhoria and the 5th result is for Concert For Banglades

      I have no idea what ham means over there, but ham is definitely more perverted and kinky over there than over here in the states.

    16. Re:BitTorrent links by needacoolnickname · · Score: 1

      Grammar checker was off, but seems the spellchecker worked fine.

    17. Re:BitTorrent links by 1u3hr · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      Huh. When I was in Amsterdam, google automagically searched google.nl from my American laptop.

      That can be a pain. Use http://www.google.com/webhp to stop it redirecting to your "local" version.

    18. Re:BitTorrent links by Mike89 · · Score: 1
      Trust me. I should know.
      dislexic
      Man, if you want us to trust you learn to spell your condition ;). Kidding, kidding!
    19. Re:BitTorrent links by benplaut · · Score: 1

      What firefox really needs is a built in grammer nazi. And maybe a /. 'edit post' function.

    20. Re:BitTorrent links by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Well, Google(TM)'s lawyers would prefer you to capitalize Google(TM) to protect their trademark, and Firefox(TM) works closely with Google(TM). (Though that doesn't explain the 'googol' error.)
      ---
      On another note, would it be that hard for Google to use the "Accept-language:" request header if one is transmitted [i]first[/i], and then use the IP address afterward if it isn't?
      I checked, and my browser does transmit "Accept-language: en-us,en,q=0.5" in its request header, which should be enough for them to realize I don't want to be redirected to google.de, even without a cookie storing my settings.

    21. Re:BitTorrent links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe MSIE still can't do that.

    22. Re:BitTorrent links by gameforge · · Score: 1
      Well, Google(TM)'s lawyers would prefer you to capitalize Google(TM) to protect their trademark, and Firefox(TM) works closely with Google(TM). (Though that doesn't explain the 'googol' error.)
      Some things for you to think about.

      1. Do you suppose that microsoft always capitalizes itself in Word for the same reasons?

      2. Could you not explain this phenomenon by contentioning that Google and Firefox hate each other, and therefore Firefox makes sure that Google is in their spellcheck so as not to distract anyone wishing to post Google flames on Slashdot?

      3. By contrast, do you think that Microsoft engineers their word processor with the notion that their customers have never once heard the word "Linux", and if the word "Linux" shows up in a Word document, it must have been a typo?

      4. Don't you suppose Firefox recognizes only the capital version of any name it knows about because they're proper names? Like "Peter" or "Lucifer" (rather than only those with lawyers and trademarks)?

      I would say anybody writing a spellcheck is going to get the best overall rating for their product if it recognizes every single proper name, with the exception being some lawsuit about including a particular proper name in a spell check product. I can think of no example. If I can type "linux" into Microsoft Word and it capitalizes it for me, or any other MS competitor, it means I'm impressed with Microsoft Word. I don't own Word... does it do that?
    23. Re:BitTorrent links by thue · · Score: 1

      "There are spelling differences between US and UK English."

      Which is one of the reasons why you are able to download additional dictionaries in other languages.

    24. Re:BitTorrent links by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Ouch.

      I hate it when that happens - I post something sarcastic, get a response that seems to take it seriously, am halfway into typing out an explanation that I was being sarcastic, then realize the response was likely sarcasm too... I always fall for that one.

    25. Re:BitTorrent links by memprime · · Score: 0

      If I can type "linux" into Microsoft Word and it capitalizes it for me, or any other MS competitor, it means I'm impressed with Microsoft Word. I don't own Word... does it do that?
      Yes, it does indeed.

    26. Re:BitTorrent links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oi, it's grammar, not grammer.

    27. Re:BitTorrent links by Ed+Avis · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, in the British version of Firefox cookies are referred to as 'biscuits'.

      --
      -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
    28. Re:BitTorrent links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American: Yes, asshole. Different spellings and shit.

      British: Yes, arsehole. Different spellings and shite.

      (my Firefox's spell checker only showed the "American" line as correctly spelled)

    29. Re:BitTorrent links by Dreadzone · · Score: 1

      Hmm yeah. The en-GB version pops up with the "Firefox updated" page when you start for the first time, complete with a link "Add British English Dictionary for Inline Spell Checking". Surprise surprise, there isn't one.

    30. Re:BitTorrent links by saintlupus · · Score: 1
      The new Firefox has a spell checker(one of the first things I disabled). There are spelling differences between US and UK English.


      Don't you mean spell checkeur?

      --saint

      blah blah blah, hold on cowboy, blah blah blah
    31. Re:BitTorrent links by joshsnow · · Score: 1

      Arse Biscuits?

    32. Re:BitTorrent links by trupoet · · Score: 0

      Somehow eye new this wood happen butt awl of these words are spelled write

    33. Re:BitTorrent links by Dreadzone · · Score: 1

      Okay, there is, but the link they helpfully provide doesn't actually find it. Searching for "British" turns it up though.

    34. Re:BitTorrent links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If I can type "linux" into Microsoft Word and it capitalizes it for me, or any other MS competitor, it means I'm impressed with Microsoft Word. I don't own Word... does it do that?

      Word 2003 does, in fact, do that.

    35. Re:BitTorrent links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    36. Re:BitTorrent links by AkumaKuruma · · Score: 1

      Official link to direct download of 2.0 release for US http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-2.0&o s=win&lang=en-US

    37. Re:BitTorrent links by gameforge · · Score: 1
      I hate it when that happens - I post something sarcastic, get a response that seems to take it seriously, am halfway into typing out an explanation that I was being sarcastic, then realize the response was likely sarcasm too... I always fall for that one.


      I do hate that.

      I was actually being serious, because I can see people reading your post and believing it; I thought you might have been sarcastic when you wrote it, but you left no real way to tell. You have to be careful doing that - I mean what would you think of someone who posted what you wrote in all seriousness? I figured if you were being sarcastic, it's always fun to take sarcasm/slap-stick-ism and try to prove it and explore it as if it were cold fact.

      Just to be clear, sarcasm or not, I intend no hard feelings or aggrevation.
    38. Re:BitTorrent links by commanderfoxtrot · · Score: 1

      When you hit Google.com, the system seems to find out where you are and redirect to the local site e.g. google.fr, google.co.uk.

      I guess it either looks up the IP, or it redirects local requests.

      A client of mine for some reason has their access designated as France and so keep being redirected to the French Google!

      --
      http://blog.grcm.net/
    39. Re:BitTorrent links by shokk · · Score: 1

      Any idea when the grammar checker will be coming out? 3.0?

      --
      "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
    40. Re:BitTorrent links by chickenandporn · · Score: 1

      This may seem obvious, but this is a very strong use-case of legal P2P. Let's get the "duh!" part outta the way.

      There should also be an eMule/aMule/eDonkey link.

      Problem is that I don't know of any P2P with a "recall" system -- how can you revoke an image if it's a bad one? Just because I don't know it doesn't mean it's not there... perhaps revocation is done by providing a successor version and handling it like a security bugfix.

      Looking for a mod_donkey -- www.mozilla.(org|com) runs Apache/2.0.52, might be a case of making it bone-simple, but I think these guys are smart enough to provide Donkey/Mule ed2k:// links.

      Allan

  59. Bookmarks. by airencracken · · Score: 0

    Does anyone else have problems with bookmarks? FF2.0 keeps deleting all of mine. Not to mention it won't let me manage them. Ugh. Sometimes I hate upgrades.

    --
    Hell is other people - Jean-Paul Sartre
  60. In Fx 2.0 RC3, Ctrl+F goes into textareas by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm on Firefox 2.0 RC3 for Windows (which is the same thing as 2.0 final), and Ctrl+F searches into the textarea that I'm typing this comment into.

    1. Re:In Fx 2.0 RC3, Ctrl+F goes into textareas by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      2.0 RC 3 caused problems that a ten-days-later build of Bon Echo didn't, and for which Bon Echo 2.0 (autoupdated this morning) doesn't. If 2.0 RC 3 is the same as the release, then I'm glad I'm running Bon Echo instead.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    2. Re:In Fx 2.0 RC3, Ctrl+F goes into textareas by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Yes, finally. Copying text field contents into notepad to find a word got old fast.

      Of course, an actual search & replace (and replace all) feature would be even nicer. I've searched for an extension, but haven't found any yet.

    3. Re:In Fx 2.0 RC3, Ctrl+F goes into textareas by tepples · · Score: 1
      2.0 RC 3 caused problems that a ten-days-later build of Bon Echo didn't

      Does Bugzilla list those problems? If so, they'll likely be fixed in 2.0.0.1, right?

    4. Re:In Fx 2.0 RC3, Ctrl+F goes into textareas by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No idea, when I got Bon Echo 2.0 and it stopped happening, I stopped caring.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  61. From the press release by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 2

    Some people have voiced their concern that this release is not worth the 2.0 moniker. I however don't understand the point. If numbers are to be believed, this version is as incremental as 1.5 was for 1.0

    This is an exceptionally bad argument. In version-land, 1.0-->1.5 != 1.5-->2.0. This is where things like "version 1.13" come from. It's simply not a decimal representation. So, unless there's some compelling change, whether it be to functionality and UI or to the underlying code base, there's no justification for bumping the major version number. (Chessmaster 9000 is, of course, a special case.) This is in no way to denigrate the efforts of the development team.

    --
    Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
  62. How to get rid of the hideous tab bar gradients: by karmaflux · · Score: 4, Informative

    0. Make a working directory. I called mine "fff." Make two directories in it: 1 and 2. Now you'll have ~/fff/1 and ~/fff/2.
    1. Copy the /chrome/classic.jar file from the OLD firefox version to your ~/fff/1 directory. For example, on Slackware it's /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.7/chrome/classic.jar
    2. Unzip the classic.jar file. Copy ~/fff/1/skin/classic/global/browser.css to your ~/fff directory.
    3. Now copy the /chrome/classic.jar file from the NEW firefox install to ~/fff/2.
    4. Unzip the classic.jar file. Copy ~/fff/browser.css into ~/fff/2/skin/classic/global/browser.css. Just overwrite the file, because it sucks.
    5. From ~/fff/2, you can just do zip -f classic.jar. -f is freshen; zip will report that it updated the one file.
    6. Copy ~/fff/2/classic.jar back to where you found it in the NEW firefox install. I had mine in /usr/lib/firefox2/chrome/.
    7. Restart firefox, and let GTK render your widgets without any ugly gradients!

    --

    REM Old programmers don't die. They just GOSUB without RETURN.

  63. I'm posting from the new browser by Plutonite · · Score: 2, Funny

    and even the memes look different!

    1. Re:I'm posting from the new browser by scotch · · Score: 1
      I downloaded it while it was still up.

      Oh my god, it's full of stars!

      --
      XML causes global warming.
  64. freetype 2 support? by annenk38 · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know if Firefox 2 supports freetype 2 properly through its api? FF 1.5 has been a bitch to get to display Vista Cleartype fonts correctly.

  65. PLEASE stop linking to unreleased builds by BZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    See http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/preed/2006/10/the_a ntirelease.html for the Mozilla build team's take on articles like this one.

    1. Re:PLEASE stop linking to unreleased builds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:PLEASE stop linking to unreleased builds by BZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is that it takes finite (and nontrivial) time to propagate the builds to all the mirrors. Otherwise there'd be no problem putting them up at the same time as the release announcement.

    3. Re:PLEASE stop linking to unreleased builds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This link seems to work fine for me:

      http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?prod uct=firefox-2.0&os=win&lang=en-US

      If it hasn't been released then I imagine that link would not work. Myself, if I am not releasing something I do not put it on a public web server, that's just me though.

    4. Re:PLEASE stop linking to unreleased builds by Agelmar · · Score: 2, Funny
      They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.


      So clearly the FF team couldn't have just magically propagated the builds to all the mirrors, because the Internet isn't a big truck that you can just dump something on. Clearly, the tubes can get filled and delayed, so they wanted to get the files up early. Holy shit man, even Sen. Stevens understands this!
    5. Re:PLEASE stop linking to unreleased builds by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      What were they expecting? You put something up on a public server and the public *will* download it. They really should have figured a way of protecting the files until they were ready. Maybe some sort of permission system to deny public access.

      --
      All I want is a secure system where it's easy to do anything I want. Is that too much to ask ~~ Randall Munroe
  66. OFFICIAL STATEMENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Firefox 2 has not yet been officially released. Please be patient. We still plan on launching Tuesday, October 24th in the afternoon pacific time. Linking to anything other than getfirefox.com or mozilla.com hurts us, our volunteer mirror network, and our ability to effectively serve up and guarantee availability of Firefox. Thank you! -- cbeard@mozilla.org

    1. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by Plutonite · · Score: 1

      But it's on releases.mozilla.org

      That's how it got to bittorrent as well I guess. If you want to prevent such situations, why did you allow it on a public server?

    2. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by jonasj · · Score: 2, Informative

      They have to, so the mirrors can mirror it before the official release

      --
      You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
    3. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's more involved with a release than just uploading a few binaries; and it's how every milestone release has been handled. Unfortunately everyone is too eager to get credit for being the first to release the news - what reader is going to thank a news site for waiting an entire day to respect the wishes of the developers and ensure a smooth launch, when another site is already throwing around links to FTP downloads?

    4. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by TCM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obviously, mirrors should get different access than the public. You can't put something in plain sight and then complain if people notice. This is stupid.

      --
      Of course it runs NetBSD. BTC: 1NT7QvbetmANwaMzhpVL6
    5. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by Plutonite · · Score: 1

      Since they cooperate with a few well known mirrors, couldn't this be better done via password-protected publishing, instead of just putting it in front of everybody and telling us to be nice?

      We're not all nice you know. When there's a binary out there, we're gonna grab it. And even if we courteous comp.science grads decide to cooperate with the devs, we're not quite a ruling majority. Complicating things by requiring registration for access to binaries will improve matters for the development teams, and most people doing dev/testing should have some priviliged access.

      This is an interesting situation, really. Money, showbiz, FOSS philosophy, embarassments and plenty of other things come into play.

    6. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by Kelson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And yet, somehow, it seems like with every Firefox release, someone decides to link Slashdot straight to an FTP site before they've finished pushing everything out. Firefox 2 beta 2, Firefox 2 beta 1... I'm sure you can find more, but I don't feel like searching further.

      Given this track record, what would it take for Slashdot to do a little checking the next time someone submits a "Firefox X released!" story?

    7. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by T-Ranger · · Score: 2

      Well, with /. or not, this would be a problem. The right way to do high-profile releases would be to populate "well-known"/friendly mirrors by hand. A level of master-mirrors, if you will. And/or populate some BT seeders by hand. So when it is inevitably leaked (and it will be leaked), itll alreay be to one level of mirrors.

    8. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it sounds like MoFo needs to do a better job managing things. You can't blame someone for posting about it when they see it in the releases section!

      Also.. I really don't see what the big deal about this is? Firefox 2.0 is Firefox 2.0 RC3. I'm not even bothering to download the final, why should I? It's the same thing!

      So if everyone is unhappy that they removed Firefox 2.0 from the server until tomorrow, why not download RC3?? ;)

    9. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by Phroggy · · Score: 1
      Now, before you suggest it, it's not as easy as putting in .htaccess restrictions, or setting the permissions on the files so people can't download them. The nitty-gritty details are in the newsgroups.
      --
      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    10. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by bitserf · · Score: 1

      Just because there's some arbitrary technical reason for their current process doesn't mean they shouldn't change it if they don't want it to happen again.

      If its publically accessible its fair game, they have only themselves to blame.

    11. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      We still plan on launching Tuesday, October 24th

      Fedora Core 6 is scheduled for release at the same time.... I wonder if they will be shipping FireFox 2.0 (if so they would have to have had the release version of FireFox last week).

    12. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 1

      Gee, it's so good to know that the Firefox team understands that "security by oscurity" is really no security at all.

      --
      Moderator hint: a comment is neither "Flamebait" nor "Troll" if it is true.
    13. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by thegrott · · Score: 1

      it seems a little 'soft' that /. removes links from an early release for FF, imagine if an IE7 link popped out a day early... dare say the editors would leave it for all to see. double standards?

      --
      gone fishing...
    14. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If its publically accessible its fair game, they have only themselves to blame.

      In other words, Mozilla shouldn't have been wearing that slinky dress if it didn't want anything to happen to it.

    15. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by Nimey · · Score: 1

      BAD TOUCH! I so didn't need an image of a Godzilla-like beast wearing a sexy negligee.

      --
      Hail Eris, full of mischief...

      E pluribus sanguinem
    16. Re:OFFICIAL STATEMENT by Anc · · Score: 1
      Obviously, mirrors should get different access than the public. You can't put something in plain sight and then complain if people notice. This is stupid.
      You're missing the point. People are going to notice and download these files prematurely, fine. But it doesn't mean that websites should encourage people to do it by spreading misleading information that it's already an official release.

      And that's why Mozilla is complaining: not because some random people came across that stuff and are downloading it but because websites are encouraging them to do it.
  67. md5sums by jonasj · · Score: 4, Informative

    dec219811d989aeed2b8c7e338cc0b03 firefox-2.0.tar.gz
    dec219811d989aeed2b8c7e338cc0b03 firefox-2.0rc3.tar.gz

    don't think there's been that many changes :-)

    --
    You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
    1. Re:md5sums by BeeBeard · · Score: 1

      Hehe, that answers that. Thanks!

    2. Re:md5sums by quantum+bit · · Score: 1

      Errr, how is that possible? Surely they had to change the release name in there somewhere to remove the "RC".

    3. Re:md5sums by nephridium · · Score: 1
      My WinXP system gives me identical sizes (5,900,416 bytes) for the RC3 and the version I got today from the bittorrent link up there yet the MD5 sums differ:
      Firefox Setup 2.0 RC 3.exe --- 34cbc9f8ad5d41ad37ab8bea24cb688c
      Firefox Setup 2.0.exe -------- 8458f0417f8a23b82a2076c2fe3a0b09
      So I crosschecked the EXEs' and DLLs' MD5s of the installations and they checked out (i.e. were identical). I believe the discrepancy between the installation files are due to the digital signatures' different timestamps. RC3's sig is timestamped "Monday, October 16, 2006 11:59:20 PM" whereas the final release is "Monday, October 23, 2006 4:19:44 PM". The firefox installations themselves are identical as far as I could see.

      Strange though, since they seem to be so concerned about their bandwidth, that they haven't announced that people with RC3 don't need to upgrade. They should also promote the bittorrent link - I got the release faster than any mirror could have done, without the hazzle of clicking through the webpages and decide which mirror would be best.

      I think they are a bit pissed off because they were planning a big party or something for the great new 2.0 release for tomorrow. And now everyone beat them to the punch.

      In any case thanks to seeders and of course thanks to the developers for years of dedication and hard work.
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    4. Re:md5sums by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      I'm running RC3, but it doesn't say RC3 anywhere. Only the filename of the download file says RC3.

      When Mozilla calls something a "Release Candidate", they're not fooling around.

      Unlike some other organizations that start with "M".

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    5. Re:md5sums by dcam · · Score: 1

      Unlike Microsoft, the mozilla team seems to understand what RC means. For their last two RCs, both have been identical to the final version.

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    6. Re:md5sums by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

      that doesn't make sense, why release a RC3 then?

    7. Re:md5sums by stu42j · · Score: 1

      He means that the last RC before release was the same as the final release.

    8. Re:md5sums by dcam · · Score: 1

      RC stands for release candidate. In other words, this is a real candidate for release. It means that they believe that all the bugs have been worked out and that they have a finished product. The reason that they have an RC3 is that there was issues in RC2 and RC1. The reason there is no RC4 is that there aren't (significant) issues in RC3.

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    9. Re:md5sums by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

      when talking about the md5sums of the last releases you wrote "For their last two RCs, both have been identical to the final version"

      Doesn't this imply that no code changes occurred- in which case, there would be no point in releasing another RC and should just go to the final version. You implied that there were no changes from RC2 to RC3 and again no changes from RC3 to final.

      It wouldn't surprise me if RC3 was the same as the final (identically, md5sum speaking), though it wouldn't surprise me either if they released it with a word spelling changed or some other trivial bug they knew to be fixed by a simple patch.. But what I'm saying is, if RC2 is the same as RC3 is the same as the final, then RC3 was superfluous.

    10. Re:md5sums by jonasj · · Score: 1

      RC 2 and RC 3 were of course not identical, otherwise RC 3 would have been pointless, as you said.

      By "For their last two RCs, both have been identical to the final version", dcam must have meant releases, not RCs. That is, the last RC of Fx2.0 was identical to Fx2.0 final, and the last RC of Fx1.5 was identical to Fx1.5 final.

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    11. Re:md5sums by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

      That makes a lot more sense!

    12. Re:md5sums by dcam · · Score: 1

      Thanks. That is exactly what I mean.

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  68. no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Is this some sort of "There are only -3 types of people" joke?


    No, its the slashdot stripping the less than symbol

    should be -1 < 0
    1. Re:no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're conflating value and size.

      When talking about size, zero is the smallest number. It has no size and can't be divided into any smaller parts.

      Think of size as the absolute value of a number. If |a| > |b|, then a is larger than b. If |a| < |b|, then a is smaller than b. If |a| == |b|, then a is the same size as b.

  69. serious issues by MoNsTeR · · Score: 1

    1. It clobbered by bookmarks.

    2. Tabs don't work. I can open new tabs but not load anything in them or close them.

    And that's just in 60 seconds of looking it over.

    It's marginally conceivable that some extension I have is to blame but I am not using anything particularly exotic so even if that is the case many others would be in danger as well.

    1. Re:serious issues by ronanbear · · Score: 1

      I've just been figuring out that myself. Google Safe Browsing is broken too for me as it opened the test page happily.

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    2. Re:serious issues by mintech · · Score: 1

      I had the same issues where my bookmarks and tabs wouldn't work after the Firefox 2.0 upgrade. The fix that I could figure out was to uninstall Firefox, and then reinstall. All my bookmarks were still there and it wasn't lost.

    3. Re:serious issues by CheeseTroll · · Score: 1
      It clobbered by bookmarks.

      Sounds like it gave you a nasty cold, too! :-)

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  70. It's RC3 without changes.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    other than the signature, so those of you who downloaded RC3 don't need to DL again.

  71. 3rd Party Cookies by HomerJ · · Score: 1

    Is this a bug or feature?

    There is no long an option to block 3rd party cookies. Setting the network.cookie.cookieBehavior option in about:config to 1 is supposed to set the option, but it doesn't work. I loaded up the slashdot main page, and doubleclick.net set a cookie.

  72. Yep its great by abshnasko · · Score: 1

    Except it deleted all my bookmarks from Firefox 1.5. Thanks.

    1. Re:Yep its great by Ash-Fox · · Score: 3, Informative
      Except it deleted all my bookmarks from Firefox 1.5. Thanks.
      Didn't here. By the way, you can just restore using the bookmark backups in your profile directory.
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    2. Re:Yep its great by Reducer2001 · · Score: 1

      I had the same problem upgrading a friends machine. I uninstalled FF 2.0, deleted it's directory under 'Program Files', then re-installed it. Everything was there (yes we had to re-install plug-ins, etc.).

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    3. Re:Yep its great by abshnasko · · Score: 1

      Well I'm running Vista RC1. Some other things are strangley disfunctional as well... tinfoil hat?

    4. Re:Yep its great by Neoncow · · Score: 1
      By the way, you can just restore using the bookmark backups in your profile directory.
      I love the implicit "You did backup your profile directory, didn't you?"
    5. Re:Yep its great by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      I love the implicit "You did backup your profile directory, didn't you?"
      Firefox makes backups of bookmarks, usually it's called 'bookmarks.bak'.

      Why does Firefox do this? Because under windows, if for some reason you suffered a powercut, Firefox was killed violently (could of happened if the firefox installer tried to close firefox). It never had the time to write the actual bookmarks to disk.

      This is the problem with file locking under Windows, as I understand it. Other operating systems where Firefox exists don't have this problem.
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    6. Re:Yep its great by Neoncow · · Score: 1

      Ahha! That, I did not know. Thanks!

  73. Re:How to get rid of the hideous tab bar gradients by cortana · · Score: 1

    It might be possible to do this by putting the relevant CSS rules in your userChrome.css file.

  74. IE7 Makes Firefox Irrelevant by thelifter · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a shameless attempt on the part of Mozilla to stave off the crushing mindshare defeat that Microsoft is about to hand out with Internet Explorer 7. With improved support for stuff and things, IE7 promposes to make Firefox 2 obsolete by nightfall on it's release date.

    IE7 will ship with the patented Cure For Cancer toolbar and embedded network optimization that makes tastefully photographed adult literature download 50% percent faster than with the dinosaur browser.

    And that's not all. MS didn't forget about you developers. IE7's javascript debugger provides error messages that are 83% more ambiguous than with Firefox.

    It's a well known fact that FireFox's only real market growth is in the UK where people hate fire, but like foxes. Therefore, Firefox can only achieve 50% marketshare in the UK maximum. Elsewhere in the world where fire and foxes are both despised, the Firefox market is limited to people who like dinosaurs which is just 10 year old boys named Kyle.

    Just kidding.

    Firefox Rules.

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    1. Re:IE7 Makes Firefox Irrelevant by Brotherred · · Score: 1

      Hey that is funny. I first clicked this link because the title line makes you look like a MS troll. No honestly this post is funny and you had me going there untill I clicked and read it.

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  75. Rrrrr... by kz26 · · Score: 1

    First of all... YAY!! that FF2 is already available. I am using it to write this comment. Second of all... I didn't notice the download link was to the English-Great Britain version. I didn't notice until I saw that the Bookmarks menu said "Organise" instead of "Organize". Then I had to go through the hassle of manually "updating" to the EN-United States version. Is Slashdot English?

  76. the antirelease by Treates2 · · Score: 0

    I forget the exact quote asa dotzler but dont believe what media/news outlets say until we get the official word from the official people.

    http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2006/1 0/i_said_tuesday.html

  77. What is so surprising? by Billhead · · Score: 1

    I don't understand why this warranted a /. article, doesn't Mozilla usually have the "mirror" releases available a few days before t hey announce it? Wasn't 1.0 available about three days prior to official release, you just had to get it in the same manner as this?

  78. Seems you've made a mistake by devhen · · Score: 1

    I don't know about the en-GB or win32 versions but the en-US Linux version on this mirror is actually just the latest release candidate. I downloaded and installed but the build date of this version is 20061010, identical to the release candidate i was using before.

    1. Re:Seems you've made a mistake by atsabig10fo · · Score: 1

      me too

    2. Re:Seems you've made a mistake by reverius · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's why it's called a release candidate. It's a "candidate" for "release". It seems that this candidate actually got released.

      I know, Microsoft's been confusing everyone by calling betas "release candidates", but the term actually refers to a build that might get released.

  79. no crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but mozilla, the magic dragon

  80. The KDE folks have done something: Konqueror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have one question though. Is Firefox a GTK application? I see it resembles a GTK application and uses its dialogs. If not, when shall we see a KDE like looking Firefox? KDE folks, do something.

    Why would the KDE folks want to do anything with Firefox? They already have a far superior web browser: Konqueror. It's designed from the bottom up to integrate perfectly with KDE. No matter what they did to Firefox, they could never get it to rival Konqueror.

    And yes, Firefox can often be considered a GTK+ application. The default build for Linux, in addition to that supplied by many distributions, uses GTK+ 2.x. Of course, Firefox has other graphics backends, including GTK+ 1.x and Xlib.

  81. Feeling Lucky Google Search Result change!! No!!! by DoorFrame · · Score: 1

    Ok, a favorite feature of mine has changed, someone help me figure out how to change it back. Traditionally in Firefox I could type a search phrase into the location bar and firefox would take me to the top google result (the I'm Feeling Lucky result). This was great for a lot of things. Now, sadly, when I type a search phrase into the 2.0 location bar, I get the google search page. No no no. That's no good. I've already got the google search bar for that, I want the I'm feeling Lucky result.

    How can I get it back?

    Please, help me.

  82. One step ahead by AugustZephyr · · Score: 1

    Already downloaded Firefox 2.0 (from slashdot's link, thank you) and am posting this comment using the browser that is to be released tomorrow. btw, it is soooooo much better than ie7.

  83. 30 bugs/hour??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Used it for two minutes, and already I hit a bug. On OSX, if you right click the toolbars and hit "Customize", the pop-up dialog won't go away, my changes aren't saved, and most of the menu's are unusable. I can quit though, without having to use the "Force Quit" method.

    Aaaand there's another bug as I'm writing this .."toolbars" is NOT spelled incorrectly! 4 minutes, two bugs. Maybe they could have used the extra day for development, no?

  84. It isn't just Firefox support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's OpenSearch support, so any browser is free to implement a similar feature. As far as I can tell, this particular methodology of showing OpenSearch enabled sites was Microsoft's idea (it's been in IE7 since the early betas).

    I'd really like to see how Apple, Opera, and the Konqueror folks do their takes on this feature, because I'm not sure Mozilla and Microsoft have this perfectly refined yet.

  85. Why link to a Windows executible? by acoustix · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I thought this was a Linux site (or at least a Windows-bashing site)? If Linux is superior to Windows in every way then why don't they link to the Linux install?

    Nick

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  86. This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by antdude · · Score: 3, Interesting

    See this demonstration (do NOT go here unless you are willing to crash your Web browser). It still crashes Firefox v2.0. This is related to this old security isssue. :(

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    1. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I look at the demonstration and see nothing happening.

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    2. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by antdude · · Score: 1

      Try the second URL that was in there.

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    3. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      Try the second URL that was in there.
      Still nothing.
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    4. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by antdude · · Score: 1

      Odd. Where you using the defaults in your Web browser?

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    5. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      crashed mine after about 10s

    6. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just 2.0; it crashed my 3.0 Nightly about two seconds after I told NoScript to let the script load.

    7. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by Anti-Trend · · Score: 1

      NoScript of course easily thwarts this, truly my favorite plugin for Firefox for a reason. It's amazing how many sites want Java but don't need it to function correctly. Most of what they're trying to unleash on you is various flavors of popups and other such unwanted nonsense.

      All that being said, it's pretty ridiculous that Firefox 2.0 is still vulnerable to this. I can see why the Deb people would want to develop Iceweasel. Still, this bug is young compared to all these vulnerabilities from 2004 in IE6 (yes, and 7 also): http://secunia.com/product/11/?task=advisories

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    8. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by miamicanes1990 · · Score: 1

      Javascript is required. Firefox is required. May fail on a spotty link. Common sense is advised didnt crash. whats up noscript

    9. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by BZ · · Score: 1

      > All that being said, it's pretty ridiculous that Firefox 2.0 is still vulnerable to this.

      In all fairness, what it's "vulnerable" to is that the stack grows till the OS kills it. It's not exploitable.

      Now it's not pleasant either... but neither is:

          while (1) {
            alert('Gotcha');
          }

      Which from a user's point of view is equally bad.

    10. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by wolssiloa · · Score: 1

      He doesn't have his Javascript turned on.

    11. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by john_uy · · Score: 1

      it did not crash. i'm using ie7. mwahahahaha...

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    12. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Adblock was protecting me -- I didn't even know it. Disabled adblock and yes, my browser crashed.

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    13. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by antdude · · Score: 1

      That's odd. I had mine enabled. Were you using the latest FilterSet.G?

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    14. Re:This old exploit still crashes v2.0. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Nah, I wrote my own filters because I don't mind text ads.

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  87. It doesn't include crack ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... because it's built on speed. Duh.

  88. But still the dang extra button chrome crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why in the world do we have to force users to stare at a stupid arrow button next to the url location bar... last time I checked most users just hit the enter key. Same thing with the stupid search icon button next to the search box...

    PLEASE allow users to turn this chrome off! All it does is waste space and make the menu look more cluttered. Yes, I am typing this message from Firefox 2. No, I won't be leaving it on my machine, or installing it anywhere else, until I can get rid of these extra useless/duplicative buttons.

    1. Re:But still the dang extra button chrome crap by pilkul · · Score: 2, Informative

      about:config, set browser.urlbar.hideGoButton to true

      While we're at it, set browser.tabs.closeButton to 3 to revert the tab close buttons to 1.5's behavior.

      Not sure about the search button, but for that you can download an extension that behaves in a way you prefer.

  89. Most important fix for Firefox 2.0 by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

    Install this.

    The default theme for FF 2.0 makes me want to scrape my eyes out. The default theme for 1.0/1.5 was bad, but it's gone from bad to actively offensive, in my opinion.

    My eyes returned to happy land as soon as I got Qute for FF 2.0 installed.

  90. This university page doesn't load quite right by reaktor · · Score: 1

    http://www.cfa.ilstu.edu/ This page doesn't seem to like FF2. Anyone else find other pages with probs?

    1. Re:This university page doesn't load quite right by Shadyman · · Score: 1

      Looks fine in FF2 RC3

  91. Firefox 2.0 Rulez by DaMattster · · Score: 0

    Firefox 2.0 Rulez! Definitely the IE killer!

  92. Firefox 2 not ready yet, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody else noticed it's in the Ubuntu Edgy, and therefore presumably Debian Etch, repos as of noonish today anyways? Interesting.

  93. Can somebody please tell me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is the comment from Mozilla posted as an Anonymous Coward. Sure, I'm posting as an Anonymous Coward, but I'm not posing to be a major corporation.

    1. Re:Can somebody please tell me... by Kelson · · Score: 1
      Why is the comment from Mozilla posted as an Anonymous Coward. Sure, I'm posting as an Anonymous Coward, but I'm not posing to be a major corporation.

      Maybe he doesn't have a Slashdot account? It's possible.

      Maybe he was in a hurry and didn't want to spend time logging in before getting the message out?

      He did sign the comment with his email address, so it's "Anonymous" in terms of Slashdot accounts only.

    2. Re:Can somebody please tell me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thank you kind sir, I'm glad you noticed.

      I also wanted to note that people don't know enough about me and my life outside the Mozilla foundation.

      My name is Farouk Bakoh, a Solicitor/Notary public, and very active in the legal practice in Nigeria. I am also an in-law to the late President, General Sanni Abacha. Now General Abacha is dead, and Mohammed the first son is facing a lot of persecution due to his involvement in anti pro democracy activities during the rule of his late father. Also there are alleged fraud activities that Mohamed has been linked to with the father and, the government of today is after the family to recover everything. They have claimed all the family's wealth and I am making this contact on behalf of my sister, Mrs. Miriam Abacha, the wife, not minding the consequences, but hoping that you would understand our predicament hence the need for your urgent assistance and co-operation.

      My aim of contacting you is to crave your indulgence to assist us in securing some funds, abroad for safe keeping which incidentally is part of the family wealth. Fortunately with my immediate assistance, and contact, we were able to deposit the money in a security vault abroad pending when the whole situation will be calm. However, this security company does not have any knowledge of the content of the deposit, because it was done in the guise that the trunk contains precious stones. But owing the great risk we run presently due the new Democratic government's initiative to freeze and recover all monies supposedly misappropriated by the late President, we wish to relocate this fund in a foreigner's name to avoid any trace. Now that we are in a democratic government, this is our opportunity to remove the money, and we are willing to offer you 15% of the funds after the transaction for your co-operation. All I need from you is an assurance that you can handle the amount involved comfortably and that I can also trust you with this very arrangement.

      Be rest assured that there is no risk involved since I have taken care of everything. I want you to immediately inform me of your willingness in assisting and co-operating with us, so that I can send you full details of this transaction and let us make arrangement for a meeting and discuss at length on how to transfer this funds. Also furnish me with your private e-mail address, Tel/Fax Numbers (Private) for a personal contact with you. Finally, I am trusting on your full understanding on this, hoping that there will be absolute confidentiality.

      Awaiting with interest your response and hoping to develop good business relationship with you.

      Yours sincerely,

      Farouk Bakoh
      --cbeard@mozilla.org

  94. RC3 == 2.0 final? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't the final build be the same as RC 3?
    It would of course confirm itself as RC3, maybe.
    But since everything "Worked" they didn't need to release another RC, meaning RC3 would be final.
    Might not update to, say, 2.01, though.

  95. Getting rid of individual "close tab" buttons by gribbly · · Score: 1

    I've been using the beta for a while, and really like it. But one thing I don't like is that there is now a close tab [x] on every tab, rather than just one on the far right? Is it possible (without downloading source and recompiling, thanks...) to make it so that there's just one close tab button that is anchored to the far right (like 1.5)?

    I like the recent tabs function, but I probably wouldn't need it but for the multitudes of "close tab" buttons that are suddenly between my the webpage I'm looking at and the address bar.

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    1. Re:Getting rid of individual "close tab" buttons by m85476585 · · Score: 2, Informative
  96. This is Web 2.0 by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

    Use Delicious

  97. HA HA HA by Nimey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The /. editors will never live up to their job titles. They usually don't read the links themselves.

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  98. Firefox 2.0 Torrents by dantheman82 · · Score: 1

    The (US) 5.6 MG Firefox 2.0 Download can be downloaded via BT here:
    http://www.torrentbox.com/download/71866/Firefox%2 0Setup%202.0.exe.torrent

    The (US) 17.56 MB Firefox 2.0 Download for Mac can be downloaded via BT here:
    http://www.torrentbox.com/download/71871/Firefox%2 02.0.dmg.torrent

    I'll leave my Macbook on all night, so enjoy!

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    1. Re:Firefox 2.0 Torrents by quizzicus · · Score: 1

      Why is the Mac one 3 times as big?

    2. Re:Firefox 2.0 Torrents by DiscoOnTheSide · · Score: 1

      Universal Binary most likely. It contains executable code and resources for both X86 and PowerPC based Mac platforms...

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  99. Tab Mix Plus by Aranwe+Haldaloke · · Score: 1

    There is a new Tab Mix Plus version up for testing, and it does work on FF 2.0. So far, I haven't had any problems with it.

  100. How to update Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How to update Firefox: don't.

    - Export your bookmarks to file
    - Uninstall the previous version
    - Delete your profile folder
    - Delete the cache folders
    - Install the new version
    - Import your bookmarks
    - Install latest versions of your favorite extensions
    - Restart the browser
    - Browse happily

    I have found this to be the most reliable way to update Firefox with predictable results.

    99% of upgrade issues stem from silly themes, customizations and outdated extensions.

    1. Re:How to update Firefox by airencracken · · Score: 0

      The Uninstall is a good idea. I did export the bookmarks, but it wouldn't let me import them for some reason. I don't use any themes and only about two extensions. Thanks for the suggestions though.

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  101. "I promise it's worth the wait." by j3tt · · Score: 1

    I read the blog post ... "I promise it's worth the wait." Kinda like a conservative girlfriend saying that we have to wait for marriage before the sex.

  102. no more md5 for me. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    Wow, you found a collision in md5! Great work! There will be a *big* raise for you. Yes siree, jonasj will be going places now. Just picture it your name all lit up in neon lights with a mess of people fightin to get a look at the man that cracked md5!

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    1. Re:no more md5 for me. by ProfFalcon · · Score: 1
      Wow, you found a collision in md5! Great work! There will be a *big* raise for you. Yes siree, jonasj will be going places now. Just picture it your name all lit up in neon lights with a mess of people fightin to get a look at the man that cracked md5!


      And no one commented on your Last Starfighter quote (kinda).
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    2. Re:no more md5 for me. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Sure, Never thought of it that way. But yes, I do possess skills sought after throughout the galaxy. That and a knack for easily ignored, annoying wordplay.

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  103. Patience is a virtue? by Phanatic1a · · Score: 1

    Okay, I'm patiently waiting to find out if they've yet managed to actually enable clicking with the middle mouse button to open a link in a new tab on the Mac.

    1. Re:Patience is a virtue? by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      This always worked fine for me in 1.5; I haven't tried it in 2.0 yet. Are you saying this is something they recently broke? Try creating a new profile and see if that solves the problem.

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  104. doubleplus early by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1
    From the article summary:
    Update by RM: - links above removed

    Thanks goodness! While this release is only one day early by Mozilla's standards, it's a full three days before it's due to be on Slashdot!

    - RG>
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  105. running version 3.01a minefield x64 by zxnos · · Score: 1

    after i crash the error report gave me the following link.... kinda funny.

    Upgrade for Firefox recommended

    Thank you for submitting an error report.

    Problem description

    An error occurred in your Firefox. Firefox was created by Mozilla Firefox.

    Recommendation

    A solution is not available for the specific problem you reported; however, Mozilla Firefox has informed Microsoft that a new version of Firefox is available. The new version may not fix the error you reported, but Mozilla Firefox recommends that you install it. To learn more about the update, click the link below.

    Mozilla Firefox

    Additional information

    If you are not familiar with Firefox and you are questioning how the program got on your computer, it is possible that the program was installed with another program. If you are wondering why Firefox is running, many programs configure themselves to start automatically every time you turn on your computer.
    Microsoft did not create, nor does it provide technical support for Firefox.
    If you have trouble installing the upgrade or the problem you reported persists, please contact Mozilla Firefox and alert them of the problem.

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  106. Re:How to get rid of the hideous tab bar gradients by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And they say Linux isn't ready for the desktop.... pffft!

  107. solution.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....only use torrents. As in "only use torrents".

        If you as joe user are getting something for free, donating some of your own bandwith is fair enough. If you as uncle mofo wants to just use official blessed mirrors, but are concerned about your bandwith bills (or your friends with the mirrors), then just be seeds, not ftp places open to the general public. Whining about it is pure bullshit. Lock those places down, they can get their files by ftp from mofo, then only release them as torrents by being the blessed seeders. That should save considerable bandwith for most of those concerned.

    This is 2006, whining about bandwith costs when you have open servers on the net is a little stoopid at this point doncha think? Which is it, want to be a big dog or not? One must assume that the net is now huge and popular sites will get hit hard when ..they get popular! You can't have it both ways unless you use something like bit torrent, and them's the internet facts 0 life. If you want to just be open, then adjust your server, limit connections and speed, throttle it, if it is to much, shut it down. If you can't or don't want to eat bandwith, then don't offer it in the first place. It is that easy. If you don't want to do anything but pretend it is 1986, then there is no help, don't pretend to be a big dog and call yourself a mirror for a very large and major project, limit yourself to just sharing torrents at whatever speed is your uploading preference so that you can afford it.

    1. Re:solution.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some places put a blanket ban on torrents even if it can be used for legal activities. What are those people going to do? Torrent has not become a widely used standard so far, so traditional methods must be available.

  108. Hot URL Injection! by DragonTHC · · Score: 1
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  109. Re:Feeling Lucky Google Search Result change!! No! by DoorFrame · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ha, ha! Fixed it myself.

    For anyone curious:

    Go to about:config (type it into the location bar)
    Select: Keyword.URL
    Change the value to this: http://www.google.com/search?btnI=I'm+Feeling+Luck y&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=

    All is well.

  110. IE7 by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

    "there's no justification for bumping the major version number."

    IE7. Marketing trumps numbering conventions every time. And FF3.0 will come out before IE8. If I were the guy handling FF numbers, I'd increase by .5 every six months regardless of actual code changes, at least, until it has reached 7.5 (or one number greater than IE). Your average user's mind could see version 2.0 and version 7.0 and say to themselves, "Why should I trust those Firefox guys, it's only their second version, what do they know about the web?"

    Just look at car comapnies. They rarely make a major break through within a model, so they go by the year giving the consumer the idea that every single year, the model improves. In fact, a big improvement will result in a new model, not "usually" within an existing model (unless the improvement goes company-wide, or the model is extremely popular and branding is at stake). Some models haven't fundamentally changed in over a decade.

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    1. Re:IE7 by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 1

      The point about marketing is fine, but I was just pointing out that the argument in the press release was bogus.

      And FF3.0 will come out before IE8.

      So, on the logic of the press release, Firefox is developing roughly 10 times as fast as IE.

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    2. Re:IE7 by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

      "So, on the logic of the press release, Firefox is developing roughly 10 times as fast as IE."

      Well, I think the logic of the reality is that Firefox is developing at least 10 times as fast as IE, hehe. Consider, Firefox in just a few years has eclipsed IE6 which has been out for many more years. Besides, IE started out with version 3, didn't it (at least that's the earliest I remember)?

      Looking at adoption on MS's core customer base, IE7 will make no inroads on corporate machines that still run 2000. It will make some inroads on corporate XP machines, because many if not most have automatic updates turned off, for many reasons. Of those looking for the features it has, they've most likely already gone Firefox.

      So, even IE7's actual impact will be one quick burst because of automatic updates. It will outpace Firefox growth in a very short period of about a month, then drop off to near zero. And, Firefox will continue its slower, but steady adoption, especially by those who did want IE7, but aren't supported, and will ditch IE for Firefox.

      I would say that Firefox is developping at least 100x faster than IE, considering extensions. Add to that adoption rates, it adds a "sense" that Firefox continues to improve at break neck rate.

      This of course, has nothing to do with version numbers. And there is no logical reason for the number jumps. But on an emotional level, it's a little self reward to say, "Yeah, we're certainly worthy of breaking out of version 1 by now." To me, version 1 is no better than beta, really, in an "unpolished" sense. Version 2's are clearly more polished products, which Firefox is. Not logically, but emotionally (which is the commercial marketting logic behind it). IE6, on the other hand, might be equivilant to say, alpha6... ok, I'll be kind... beta6, hehe.

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  111. Mozilla Browser didn't crash by RandySC · · Score: 1

    I am using Mozilla Debian Package 1.7.12-1.2. No problem!

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    1. Re:Mozilla Browser didn't crash by antdude · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I wonder if it is a Windows thing.

      Shouldn't you be using .13? ;)

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    2. Re:Mozilla Browser didn't crash by xtracto · · Score: 1

      Nope, I am using UBUNTU 6.06 and it crashes beautifully . I was tried it with konqueror and it did not crashed tho.

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  112. Why? by Almahtar · · Score: 1

    Because in the Internet world, market share == money. One metric for market share (and informed, interested users) is downloads within the first few days of a release. They measure a band's popularity in the same way: a record company will decide how much financial backing and marketting a band gets by how many CD's they sell within week one of an album's release.

  113. Australian dictionary by wayneo13 · · Score: 1

    For all those Australians out there: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3099/

  114. If patience is a virtue... by Nic-o-demus · · Score: 1

    ... then I lost my virtue a long time ago. ;)

  115. Silly by StoatBringer · · Score: 1

    There's no such things as memes. Tell all your friends.

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  116. Links removed: Here is a mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  117. Konqueror by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

    I was skimming this thread and noticing what new features are being mentioned, and I couldn't help noticing that they are all features that Konqueror already has:

      - Spellchecker
      - Wikipedia searching
      - Autocompletion/suggestion for searches
      - It's snappier than FF 1.5
      - It uses way less memory than FF 1.5

    The same can be said for various plugins that have been developed for FF (I'm talking about 1.x here): viewing non-HTML files inline, editing documents or images inside the browser window, speech synthesis; probably others.

    I'm not trying to bash Firefox, I just thought it was something worth pointing out that Konqueror has some (apparently) desireable features. Obviously, Firefox has features that Konqueror doesn't have (yet), too.

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  118. The link is still available at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  119. So if microsoft.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if microsoft accidentally released something early and then asked /. to remove the links would they do that or would there just be people crawling all over each other to repost the file? It's easier to be patient when you have already decided you are going to like the product.

    1. Re:So if microsoft.... by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      No. No one would post links to M$ stuff early. Steve Ballmer would throw chairs through their computer screens if they did.

  120. Re:How to get rid of the hideous tab bar gradients by FateStayNight · · Score: 1

    His instructions were just confusing. You could do all that in 3-4 quick steps, all done drag and drop too.

  121. Meme != teen blog thing by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    Memes are NOT the quiz things that are popular on teen blogs, just so you know.

  122. Etc? by Klaidas · · Score: 1
    (Patience is a virtue, etc.)
    Etc? Do I smell sarcasm?
  123. #Where's Thunderbird 2.0? by Oshkoshjohn · · Score: 1

    I might be stupid, but E-mail seems to have been "disappeared" from my Firefox toolbar. WTF?

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  124. 1st by Neurotoxic666 · · Score: 1

    First meme!

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  125. it's a beta by doti · · Score: 1

    We all know that x.0 versions are beta.
    I'll wait for 2.0.1, when it'll stop crashing (I tried 2.0, and it does crash often), the extensions will work, etc.

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  126. note to new readers by petermgreen · · Score: 1

    parent post appears to be a joke, british english firefox most certainly still uses the name cookie.

    personally i think the mozillazine block entry is very US centric in saying "directly links to an .exe for one [correct for one country, but mostly-wrong for everyone else] locale", in an international sense british english is just as valid as american.

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    1. Re:note to new readers by sydb · · Score: 1

      I thought, and now I hope, that he meant that Germans, for example, would want the German locale over all other locales, not that they would want the American English locale over the British English locale. However, he does have his numbers wrong, as British English is a "correct" choice for at least three countries: England, Scotland and Wales.

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    2. Re:note to new readers by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it make more sense to build one executable with support for all locales? The space taken up by message files must be tiny in relation to the whole app, especially if you store them gzipped or something.

      FWIW, one thing that annoys me (on Linux, with GNOME at least) is that you can't switch the language of your desktop without logging out and in again.

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  127. Must of Leaked by mistralol · · Score: 1


    I am waiting for the next artical from sombody saying about security issues because firefox 2.0 was released early because it was leaked.

    1. Re:Must of Leaked by slcdb · · Score: 1

      I am waiting for the next artical from sombody saying about education issues because som stupid kids was released early from skool because there brains must of leaked out of there head.

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  128. Links removed?!?! WTF!? by rockhome · · Score: 1

    I find it interesting that the /. editors decided to remove the links because the Mozilla folks asked them to. From the note, it seems that the reasons all boil down to "here's a bunch of reasons we are making up as to why you should post links to the publicly available sites to which we posted the stuff".

    How are the mirrors going to have any less traffic today? I wonder that if Microsoft or some other comapny "released" something a day early, would /. be so ready to remove the links because Steve Ballmer politely asked?

    Then again, that's what makes /. more of a fanboi site and news aggregator than an actual news site.

  129. Crashed or stalled three times by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 1

    Had to kill it three times, when writing non-English languages. no problems with English.

  130. Unauthorized Mirror by setuid_w00t · · Score: 0

    The FTP is very busy, so here's a copy of the English-US windows binary that I downloaded.

    http://goestoeleven.org/misc/mirrors/ftp.mozilla.o rg/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/win32/en-U S/Firefox%20Setup%202.0.exe

    1. Re:Unauthorized Mirror by szembek · · Score: 1

      Your link is broken.

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    2. Re:Unauthorized Mirror by setuid_w00t · · Score: 0

      I just checked and it's not broken.

  131. its available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just appeared 5 minutes ago

  132. Re: English Spell-checking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much more work would it be for the Canadians and the Australians to get proper spell-checking too?

  133. I love it by IamWhoIam · · Score: 1
    to be quite honest with you I post this after a day in which my mother in law died while holding my hand and I have consumed a half a fifth of 15 year old Laphorge.I downloaded 2.0 this afternoon. I like the new interface especially the tab bar, and the individual little xe thingies on the individuals tabs.

    beat a gong and pray for Dee

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  134. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What idiot modded this -1 Overrated?