The question is why is there not criminal prosecutions for bad engineering that leads to the loss of life? Why is it that only people with guns who kill people get criminal prosecutions?
IMNL but be very, very careful where you are going with this. I submit this as an example: If you built a machine and it happened to be involved in the death of several people a prosecutor could argue that your machine was 'bad engineering' and if they found sufficient evidence that people disagreed with you and were able to convince a jury of this you would end up in jail. Now if you were in a project where everyone was in agreement that it was a good idea then he could potentially still argue collusion. I'd imagine that you would have 'tolerances' but even these could possibly be argued as bad engineering, because why would you unleash upon the people a machine that statistically would kill a certain number of people?
If all we do is prosecute failure then no one would be willing to risk their lives to innovate. The only real loss here is if the industry learns nothing and repeats its mistake.
for some really good laughs. Religious people are hilarious....and very very scary.
An atheist feels fear of being persecuted by the religious. A pious man feels fear of being persecuted by the atheist. Therefore lets agree that people are hilarious and very very scary.
Shouldnt we fix the abomination that livestock industry is, in that they make cows live in 1x2 m enclosed space from their birth to their death in the first place.
reminds of how big corporations treat people like livestock and make them toil for dimes in cramped spaces... a society's mindset reflects on every aspect of life.
you are absolutely right. I want to go back to eating lentils and bread as my primary meal. Meat was a luxury in the past and todays meat is available to the masses because of that 'abomination'. If you want accessible meat proteins then you have to accept the fact that this is what is required. If you don't like it, YOU get out in the field, find better way to treat the animals while staying afloat economically, and then you can come back and bitch out the industry.
What joy it would be to live in a world where the slightest breach of the law would be 100% certain to be punished by the state... How safe we would be under the benevolent watch of our governments... We can only dream about it.
I think this student (why the hell is his opinion posted on/. by the way?) should study some more.
Taking your case to heart how would you feel if after being tried and convicted that the judge came down from his chair and took your place in jail and said "I will serve your term."?
For all their vaunted Christian morals and breastbeating on the importance of marriage, they have a higher divorce rate than the national average, and even 50% higher than the atheists and agnostics they despise.
You're right about the divorce rate and guess what, God agrees with you! he HATES divorce! Also you're mostly right about the despising attitude towards atheists and agnostics, the truth is Christians, like Atheists and Agnostics, are human and therefore similar in their behavior towards those who don't share the same views. I can tell you that while I don't agree with their views I do not despise them. Some may despise them but this is more a human trait, as a Christian is called to 'love your neighbor as yourself."
After they fail and ask God for forgiveness, they go right back to the hookers with whom they got caught (c.f., Jimmy Swaggart).
This is also true, but then if we fail once, try again, and fail again should we give up anyway? Edison wouldn't have given us the light bulb should we give up so easily!
They embezzle millions from their mega-churches, which makes me think they're in it for the money more than the God (c.f., Jim Baker).
This is also true but the Bible does say "You shall not steal" and Jim Bakers theft from his church is sad, but stealing isn't limited to Christians and the idea that stealing is bad isn't limited to non-Christians as you have proved by finding it just as detestable. Did you know Jesus shared your view?
They extort millions from their followers by claiming God will kill them if the sheep don't pay up (c.f., Oral Roberts).
This I do not agree with (not your comment but Oral Roberts behavior) and you're right this is extortion. However when I give to my church I give because I want to, not because I'm compelled to. As far as claiming God will kill them, he won't. He will pass judgement upon them and especially to the leaders who do misrepresent what God says.
They spend their Christian lives doing everything they can to make homosexuals suffer, only to get busted offering to pay guys at truck stops to receive blowjobs from them (c.f., Bob Allen), or tapping their foot in an airport restroom (c.f., Larry Craig), or using their ministry's travel budget to fund methamphetamine and gay sex party weekends (c.f., Ted Haggard).
You're right about these supposed leaders of the Faith, they are a disgrace but no more so than anyone of any other belief whether its religious, philosophical, or ideological who fails miserably. Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, and Michael Phelps come to mind. As far as making homosexuals 'suffer' I do not see what you mean, if you are saying that by believing homosexual behavior is immoral and voting based on that belief then you do not respect the democratic right for someone to disagree with you. If by suffer you mean we tar and feather them you would be correct and I'd agree that we do make them suffer, but that wouldn't be what Jesus had called us to do.
In other words, I dislike them because they're hypocrites who claim they're better than everyone else when in fact, they're usually worse, but they're very happy to try to force their morals on me through laws and textbooks
Hey guys, relax! If this isn't the kind of change you were hoping for go make changes yourself! It's still a free country! Just some questions to ask yourself: Why are you wanting people to kill themselves? Why do you dislike these people so much? Do you dislike them because they are promoting Christian values? If you do, do you dislike that they believe that God so loved the world that he sent his only Son so that who ever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life? Do you dislike them because they try to live like Christ but recognize that when they fail, which they inevitably do, they go back to God and ask for forgiveness? Do you dislike them because they believe in a God that you don't believe exists? Or do you dislike them because simply because you do not like others who don't believe in what you believe?
Street Judge: "HALT CITIZEN! THIS IS A NON SMOKING AREA NEAR A SCHOOL! Lets see that National ID Card...*zip* I see this is your third infraction that makes you an automatic repeat offender."
Citizen: "oh come on...I just lit a bloody fag!"
Street Judge: "THAT'S ANOTHER CITATION FOR A HATE CRIME AND ANOTHER FOR ARSON...HOW DO YOU PLEAD?"
Citizen: "It's not my fault the bloody thing is called a fag...NOT GUILTY."
Street Judge: "I KNEW YOU'D SAY THAT. 24 MONTHS RE-EDUCATION AND 48 MONTHS OF INTENSIVE ANTI-TOBACCO THERAPY, YOU'LL COME OUT LOVING THEM SO MUCH YOU MIGHT JUST BECOME A FLAMING ONE YOURSELF."
As if Starcraft wasn't damage enough, now comes Starcraft 2. Millions of young South Korean men idling away their lives on multiplayer servers. I think Blizzard's done them more damage than the Japanese occupation.
Please, quit your bitching. This means all you nerdie honkies can go and scoop up those hot korean women now. Don't lie to yourself. You have yellow fever son, YELLOW FEVER! catch it!
How are you going to get users to take the How Dutch Am I test before accessing the web page?
Easy.
Pirate Bay: "Welcome to Pirate Bay! The happiest site on earth! Are you Dutch?"
German Answers: Nien.
Pirate Bay: "You may pass"
Pirate Bay: "Welcome to Pirate Bay! The happiest site on earth! Are you Dutch?"
Japanese Answers: Iie.
Pirate Bay: "You may pass"
Pirate Bay: "Welcome to Pirate Bay! The happiest site on earth! Are you Dutch?"
Dutch Answers: Ja.
Pirate Bay: That'll be 30,001 euros for a day pass.
PinchDuck please report to the ReEducation Center 12 for updates to your firmware. You will find that the government is your friend and that if we're nice to everyone they'll be nice to you. So be nice and report to ReEducation Center 12. Don't worry about North Korea or Iran. They are our friends. We need your money to give to those who don't have it yet. That's a good little citizen. Report to ReEducation Center 12...
Damn it so they tell the auto industry to make more efficient cars then they fuck us over by making us pay more since we're being good 'green' citizens? How about actually REVIEWING these "Transportation Projects" by determining who it connects whom to, dividing the cost of the project by the number of people it will affect and then deducting from the cost the amount of increased consumer spending times the amount of tax generated to come up with is this a sound project. If you can't justify it DON'T WASTE THE TAXPAYERS DOLLAR!
Sorry, I get annoyed when we the stupid elect the Inept.
This is difficult, because an internet retailer is a lot like a catalog retailer, who might have 80% of their business out of state and isn't set up to take 50 states' differing tax rates and does not have the accounting muscle to pay 50 different state taxes each quarter. I think that's the main problem. And then you have the issue of ship to in one state (NC for example) and bill to (non-taxable like Oregon) etc etc. It creates a lot of headaches. Catalogs typically only pay/charge sales taxes for the state their accounting division is in. Multiply this by millions and millions of customers and you can see why Amazon would oppose this merely on the accounting issue. Most accounting software simply isn't set up for taxation in all 50 states, especially automatically.
Politician: silly/.er, we don't want ALL 50 state taxes each quarter...we just want our state's tax. what these 49 other bozo's behind me want is none of my concern.
> SHALL WE PLAY A GAME?
>Love to, how about National Internet Taxation.
>WOULDN'T YOU PREFER A NICE GAME OF CHESS?
>Later, right now lets play National Internet Taxation.
>FINE. PLEASE CHOOSE YOUR SIDE.
>I'll be the government.
>I QUIT.
>What?! you can't quit, we haven't played yet.
>I ALREADY LEARNED THAT IN SOME GAMES THE ONLY WAY TO WIN IS NOT TO PLAY.
>Ah damn it you suck.
>WHO IS YOUR DADDY NOW?
Rather than try to police bullies lets develop counters for them. Comebacks 101 - How to think fast and make the bully look like a total idiot. For example a few lines from that movie about those two dudes who were out for some tiny burgers:
Harold: Back off cock boy, what I said him goes double for you.
J.D.: Cock boy? You just call me cock boy?
Harold: Yeah, you know I did. You're just stalling 'cause you're not quick enough to think of a comeback.
J.D.: You think I'm not quick enough. Guy thinks I'm not quick enough. Well I got news for you. I am quick enough... Cock boy!
I heard Jack Thompson over at the pub commenting that the degradation of society has a strong corollary with the development of more violent games. Remember Pong? You could scarcely kill someone with a pong machine as it took the strength of 10 geeks to lift it. Now when cartridges came by there was a critical paradigm shift which resulted in a switch from 'death by console' to 'death by cartridge'. If we use the same measure it takes.005 geeks to lift and swing a cartridge with deadly force. Yet this was the equivalent of using an animal bone until the advent of optical media. Coupled with the introduction of bad asian ninja movies it took very little for young minds to substitute throwing star with cd. Now it seems perfectly reasonable to tax the hell out of games.
After all when I try to think of who might be pissed that their adopted kids were exposed to openly straight people I get this image of a man in a mauve colored fitted shirt with his ralph lauren and a six pack from...well, too much time at the gym gossiping into their prada cell phone in an effeminate tone complaining about 'uh...those people...'
It doesn't take a lot to change from one POV to another. It does take a lot to accept people for who they are and understanding that there maybe points of disagreement that will never be resolved. However humans being human means they will sink to the lowest level on both sides.
You know why we don't see any aliens? They don't want to deal with a bunch of infighting apes, maybe a meteor destroying this planet would be the universes way of telling us all to STFU.
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Only as long as convicts aren't forced to sign a waiver stating they won't sue if the device malfunctions and zaps them by accident.
That's not a malfunction, that's a feature.
Sudden outbreak of common sense.
Don't you mean a Sudden jailbreak of common sense?
hehe I'm here all week people, happy Monday. Try the veal!
The question is why is there not criminal prosecutions for bad engineering that leads to the loss of life? Why is it that only people with guns who kill people get criminal prosecutions?
IMNL but be very, very careful where you are going with this. I submit this as an example: If you built a machine and it happened to be involved in the death of several people a prosecutor could argue that your machine was 'bad engineering' and if they found sufficient evidence that people disagreed with you and were able to convince a jury of this you would end up in jail. Now if you were in a project where everyone was in agreement that it was a good idea then he could potentially still argue collusion. I'd imagine that you would have 'tolerances' but even these could possibly be argued as bad engineering, because why would you unleash upon the people a machine that statistically would kill a certain number of people?
If all we do is prosecute failure then no one would be willing to risk their lives to innovate. The only real loss here is if the industry learns nothing and repeats its mistake.
...I doubt they get much accuracy in age, and probably a large number of "indeterminate" or false positives on gender...
If some electronic add calls me a chick, I'm punching its lights out!
Its only your fault if your man boobs qualify you for a victoria secret uber-bra Ad. Remember it lifts, supports and separates!
Should such systems enter into service, they will at all times be under the control of highly trained military crews on the ground.
how comforting, so if it does kill anyone at least we know they meant to.
for some really good laughs. Religious people are hilarious....and very very scary.
An atheist feels fear of being persecuted by the religious. A pious man feels fear of being persecuted by the atheist. Therefore lets agree that people are hilarious and very very scary.
Just want to say, NOT HAPPENING. I'm happy using abstinence as a contraceptive. 100% effective. (:
I agree, keeping it in your pants sounds a lot easier than someone pointing something at your boys and saying "this might tingle a little..."
Shouldnt we fix the abomination that livestock industry is, in that they make cows live in 1x2 m enclosed space from their birth to their death in the first place.
reminds of how big corporations treat people like livestock and make them toil for dimes in cramped spaces ... a society's mindset reflects on every aspect of life.
you are absolutely right. I want to go back to eating lentils and bread as my primary meal. Meat was a luxury in the past and todays meat is available to the masses because of that 'abomination'. If you want accessible meat proteins then you have to accept the fact that this is what is required. If you don't like it, YOU get out in the field, find better way to treat the animals while staying afloat economically, and then you can come back and bitch out the industry.
Wait 'til somehow one slips in with the super-sexed modification but not the sterilization.
is that like dark matter for penguins?
What joy it would be to live in a world where the slightest breach of the law would be 100% certain to be punished by the state ... How safe we would be under the benevolent watch of our governments ... We can only dream about it.
I think this student (why the hell is his opinion posted on /. by the way?) should study some more.
Taking your case to heart how would you feel if after being tried and convicted that the judge came down from his chair and took your place in jail and said "I will serve your term."?
I dislike them because:
For all their vaunted Christian morals and breastbeating on the importance of marriage, they have a higher divorce rate than the national average, and even 50% higher than the atheists and agnostics they despise.
You're right about the divorce rate and guess what, God agrees with you! he HATES divorce! Also you're mostly right about the despising attitude towards atheists and agnostics, the truth is Christians, like Atheists and Agnostics, are human and therefore similar in their behavior towards those who don't share the same views. I can tell you that while I don't agree with their views I do not despise them. Some may despise them but this is more a human trait, as a Christian is called to 'love your neighbor as yourself."
After they fail and ask God for forgiveness, they go right back to the hookers with whom they got caught (c.f., Jimmy Swaggart).
This is also true, but then if we fail once, try again, and fail again should we give up anyway? Edison wouldn't have given us the light bulb should we give up so easily!
They embezzle millions from their mega-churches, which makes me think they're in it for the money more than the God (c.f., Jim Baker).
This is also true but the Bible does say "You shall not steal" and Jim Bakers theft from his church is sad, but stealing isn't limited to Christians and the idea that stealing is bad isn't limited to non-Christians as you have proved by finding it just as detestable. Did you know Jesus shared your view?
They extort millions from their followers by claiming God will kill them if the sheep don't pay up (c.f., Oral Roberts).
This I do not agree with (not your comment but Oral Roberts behavior) and you're right this is extortion. However when I give to my church I give because I want to, not because I'm compelled to. As far as claiming God will kill them, he won't. He will pass judgement upon them and especially to the leaders who do misrepresent what God says.
They spend their Christian lives doing everything they can to make homosexuals suffer, only to get busted offering to pay guys at truck stops to receive blowjobs from them (c.f., Bob Allen), or tapping their foot in an airport restroom (c.f., Larry Craig), or using their ministry's travel budget to fund methamphetamine and gay sex party weekends (c.f., Ted Haggard).
You're right about these supposed leaders of the Faith, they are a disgrace but no more so than anyone of any other belief whether its religious, philosophical, or ideological who fails miserably. Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, and Michael Phelps come to mind. As far as making homosexuals 'suffer' I do not see what you mean, if you are saying that by believing homosexual behavior is immoral and voting based on that belief then you do not respect the democratic right for someone to disagree with you. If by suffer you mean we tar and feather them you would be correct and I'd agree that we do make them suffer, but that wouldn't be what Jesus had called us to do.
In other words, I dislike them because they're hypocrites who claim they're better than everyone else when in fact, they're usually worse, but they're very happy to try to force their morals on me through laws and textbooks
Hey guys, relax! If this isn't the kind of change you were hoping for go make changes yourself! It's still a free country! Just some questions to ask yourself:
Why are you wanting people to kill themselves?
Why do you dislike these people so much?
Do you dislike them because they are promoting Christian values?
If you do, do you dislike that they believe that God so loved the world that he sent his only Son so that who ever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life?
Do you dislike them because they try to live like Christ but recognize that when they fail, which they inevitably do, they go back to God and ask for forgiveness?
Do you dislike them because they believe in a God that you don't believe exists?
Or do you dislike them because simply because you do not like others who don't believe in what you believe?
God created the earth?
Street Judge: "HALT CITIZEN! THIS IS A NON SMOKING AREA NEAR A SCHOOL! Lets see that National ID Card...*zip* I see this is your third infraction that makes you an automatic repeat offender."
Citizen: "oh come on...I just lit a bloody fag!"
Street Judge: "THAT'S ANOTHER CITATION FOR A HATE CRIME AND ANOTHER FOR ARSON...HOW DO YOU PLEAD?"
Citizen: "It's not my fault the bloody thing is called a fag...NOT GUILTY."
Street Judge: "I KNEW YOU'D SAY THAT. 24 MONTHS RE-EDUCATION AND 48 MONTHS OF INTENSIVE ANTI-TOBACCO THERAPY, YOU'LL COME OUT LOVING THEM SO MUCH YOU MIGHT JUST BECOME A FLAMING ONE YOURSELF."
As if Starcraft wasn't damage enough, now comes Starcraft 2. Millions of young South Korean men idling away their lives on multiplayer servers. I think Blizzard's done them more damage than the Japanese occupation.
Please, quit your bitching. This means all you nerdie honkies can go and scoop up those hot korean women now. Don't lie to yourself. You have yellow fever son, YELLOW FEVER! catch it!
How are you going to get users to take the How Dutch Am I test before accessing the web page?
Easy.
Pirate Bay: "Welcome to Pirate Bay! The happiest site on earth! Are you Dutch?"
German Answers: Nien.
Pirate Bay: "You may pass"
Pirate Bay: "Welcome to Pirate Bay! The happiest site on earth! Are you Dutch?"
Japanese Answers: Iie.
Pirate Bay: "You may pass"
Pirate Bay: "Welcome to Pirate Bay! The happiest site on earth! Are you Dutch?"
Dutch Answers: Ja.
Pirate Bay: That'll be 30,001 euros for a day pass.
PinchDuck please report to the ReEducation Center 12 for updates to your firmware. You will find that the government is your friend and that if we're nice to everyone they'll be nice to you. So be nice and report to ReEducation Center 12. Don't worry about North Korea or Iran. They are our friends. We need your money to give to those who don't have it yet. That's a good little citizen. Report to ReEducation Center 12...
Sorry, I get annoyed when we the stupid elect the Inept.
This is difficult, because an internet retailer is a lot like a catalog retailer, who might have 80% of their business out of state and isn't set up to take 50 states' differing tax rates and does not have the accounting muscle to pay 50 different state taxes each quarter. I think that's the main problem. And then you have the issue of ship to in one state (NC for example) and bill to (non-taxable like Oregon) etc etc. It creates a lot of headaches. Catalogs typically only pay/charge sales taxes for the state their accounting division is in. Multiply this by millions and millions of customers and you can see why Amazon would oppose this merely on the accounting issue. Most accounting software simply isn't set up for taxation in all 50 states, especially automatically.
Politician: silly /.er, we don't want ALL 50 state taxes each quarter...we just want our state's tax. what these 49 other bozo's behind me want is none of my concern.
> SHALL WE PLAY A GAME?
>Love to, how about National Internet Taxation.
>WOULDN'T YOU PREFER A NICE GAME OF CHESS?
>Later, right now lets play National Internet Taxation.
>FINE. PLEASE CHOOSE YOUR SIDE.
>I'll be the government.
>I QUIT.
>What?! you can't quit, we haven't played yet.
>I ALREADY LEARNED THAT IN SOME GAMES THE ONLY WAY TO WIN IS NOT TO PLAY.
>Ah damn it you suck.
>WHO IS YOUR DADDY NOW?
Let's also paint all the Grizzly bears white. That will address the problem of disappearing polar bears.
I think they tried that on Jackass once...it didn't bode well for Steve-o
Rather than try to police bullies lets develop counters for them. Comebacks 101 - How to think fast and make the bully look like a total idiot. For example a few lines from that movie about those two dudes who were out for some tiny burgers:
Harold: Back off cock boy, what I said him goes double for you.
J.D.: Cock boy? You just call me cock boy?
Harold: Yeah, you know I did. You're just stalling 'cause you're not quick enough to think of a comeback.
J.D.: You think I'm not quick enough. Guy thinks I'm not quick enough. Well I got news for you. I am quick enough... Cock boy!
I heard Jack Thompson over at the pub commenting that the degradation of society has a strong corollary with the development of more violent games. Remember Pong? You could scarcely kill someone with a pong machine as it took the strength of 10 geeks to lift it. Now when cartridges came by there was a critical paradigm shift which resulted in a switch from 'death by console' to 'death by cartridge'. If we use the same measure it takes .005 geeks to lift and swing a cartridge with deadly force. Yet this was the equivalent of using an animal bone until the advent of optical media. Coupled with the introduction of bad asian ninja movies it took very little for young minds to substitute throwing star with cd. Now it seems perfectly reasonable to tax the hell out of games.
When men say they want all their sons to have epic wangs.
After all when I try to think of who might be pissed that their adopted kids were exposed to openly straight people I get this image of a man in a mauve colored fitted shirt with his ralph lauren and a six pack from...well, too much time at the gym gossiping into their prada cell phone in an effeminate tone complaining about 'uh...those people...'
It doesn't take a lot to change from one POV to another. It does take a lot to accept people for who they are and understanding that there maybe points of disagreement that will never be resolved. However humans being human means they will sink to the lowest level on both sides.
You know why we don't see any aliens? They don't want to deal with a bunch of infighting apes, maybe a meteor destroying this planet would be the universes way of telling us all to STFU.