The GPL requires you provide source with your binaries, but most GPL'd Windows projects don't provide a source package...
Actually it only requires that you provide source upon request to the people you've distributed binaries to. And it doesn't require free public downloads of the source. If you track who you've shipped binaries to, those are the only people you need to devlier source to when they ask you for it. And you can send the source via physical media, and charge for both the media and the shipping costs. You've just been spoiled by all the people who go the extra marthon and put out the source in a nice and tidy organized fashion complete with makefiles, for free, on a website or with the original binary distribution.
unless you have a significant movement in politics to take on board some of the concepts of Christian Democracy. I find it baffling that in a country with such a large Christian community that equal opportunity and social justice are so far down the list of priorities when it comes to politics
Christianity doesn't have anything to do with free market capitalism vs government regulation of natural monopolies. What compelled you to phrase it in terms of religious faith?
The demonstration on that page is flawed, it mentions the autoremove command then demonstrates the remove command instead. It is only one step if you use autoremove instead of remove. Personally I would prefer autoremove be the default behavior, but I appreciate having the choice between the two (I don't know if aptitude offers choice in this respect).
Aptitude is the only package manager smart enough to automatically remove unneeded packages when they are no longer needed.
apt-get, at least in edgy, has autoremove which is smart enough to remove packages which were installed as automatic dependencies but are not longer needed. Synaptic also has a Status categorization for these packages, but I forget what name is displayed. I didn't have to change any default settings to enabled this, either. If you have already tried these, is there anything in particular you find unsatisfactory about them?
Judging by this thread, you seem to be good at arguing with yourself over the merits of various platforms. I think that kind of ability will be a strong asset in you new position, and good for Sun.
You're confusing Standby and Suspend on Windows. Standby is pretty lame. It turns off components like the disk and the monitor, but it doesn't do anything special for saving system state to power down to nearly zero power consumption (I don't think it even slows down the CPU). Suspend is the mode that saves system state to memory and powers down, using only enough power to maintain the contents of RAM. Hibernate takes it the one step further to save to state to disk and fully power down. I've never understood why Macs don't have a hibernation mode. It's the only way to preserve system state while changing batteries.
But don't worry; after a while this batch of newbies will find another board to go be clueless on. I'm sure you'll remember that this sort of stupid-plague has hit before.
Is it September again already?! Where did the Spring and Summer go....
Perhaps you missed the part about MS being on the losing end of a $1.5 billion patent infringement lawsuit. The very event that sparked this whole discussion, subsequently heated up by the addition of a company in Texas suing a handful of companies, including Apple, for what seems to be a patent on portable MP3 players (I could be wrong about what the patent covers, but the patent was originally held by Sigmatel, who makes chips that handle MP3 playback and other stuff).
160/192 AAC and FLAC.
You could also stream a lower bitrate (128) AAC for people to sample the tracks. I personally will always go for the lossless option if it's something I like enough to keep (I'd rather buy a used CD and rip it myself then use a free lossy file).
The point is that they only patch (security) bugs and nothing else, so the entire system is essentially frozen for years, hardly any new features are added.
We just switched from RHEL 4 update 3 to RHEL 4 update 4 on our build machines and found that C++ symbol mangling seems to have changed, leading to incompatible builds. So now we're having to scramble to update all our machines to update 4 and rebuild everything include code that hasn't changed. Update 4 also broke Java 1.5 runtimes. Yay for stable packages!
It is precisely not the fault of the user. The problem that windows is ridden with malware/spyware/viruses is not the fault of the user, it is fault of Microsoft.
You have nobody to blame but yourself for intentionally downloading and installing something.
why should user has to go out to some third party repositories and fish out packages he couldn't find in "main"?
Because some distributors want to keep their distribution free and Free by not paying license fees to distribute patent-encumbered media codecs and binary-only device drivers. If you actually spent time looking, you could find retail copies of Linux distributions with fully licensed media codecs and device drivers included. So once again, it's your own fault for not getting what you wanted.
But it's not the fault of Fedora or Ubuntu if two different people setup their own public repository with incompatible versions of packages not in the core repo. It's not even the fault of the individual repo maintainers, because they build all their own packages compatible with the base and with themselves. It's the fault of the user for not being aware of what they're installing. That problem exists on any platform. How many people do you see with Windows boxes laoded with spyware/adware and an inability to play a handful of avi file because they installed 3 different kazaavideocodec packages that were incompatible? It sure was easy to install but not much more usable (in my experience). That's not the fault of Microsoft. I've had the same thing happen on my Mac. It wasn't Apple's fault, it was my fault for installing too much incompatible 3rd party stuff.
There was an effort put forth, last time I used Fedora Core, for the most popular 3rd party repo maintainers to standardize how the built packages and how they versioned their packages, so that the repos would be compatible. But it didn't entirely work, because one of them didn't want to join the club. If memory serves, that lone standout was Livna, which I think somewhat/halfway became Fedora Extras (haven't used Fedora since FC3 I think, might have tried 4). The only thing Fedora can do is maintain a list of 3rd party repo maintainers who are certified compatible with each other on a particular release. Beyond that it's up to the user. Just like on Windows and Mac.
The issue of repos is more visible in Linux because more often than not people on Mac and Windows get extra software direct from the software provider. If you need divx you got to divx.com. If you need The only real exception I can think of is people who are heavy into p2p and get media codec/player packs from their favorite p2p sites. On Linux the model is usually add repo X, install package Y.
Using a dependency resolver like Apt or Yum, I've never suffered dependency hell. Because I'm not retarded enough to add 40 different repos with incompatible builds of the same packages. You pick a set of repos that are intended to work with each other, or you go straight to the owner of the software being package and build your own (or in the event of proprietary software you ask them to provide a build for your distribution). What was the one package he wanted to ugprade? What repo provided it? Why did he use --force and/or --nodeps?
I think reality is out of touch with common sense in the context of multimedia codecs. People are complaining about distributions not including, for free, software that carries a [patent] license fee to distribute legally. Honestly, I don't hardly find it much easier to locate/install codecs on Mac or Windows that aren't part of the default OS install. In fact, I think it's easier on Linux. I just add the right repository, and I get all my codecs from one source. At least with the package repos in Linux I can then keep them current without having 14 different update services all over the place.
I have no qualms about running proprietary, binary-only software on my Linux installs. I just don't find it offensive that I have to locate and install extra software (just like I do on Mac and Windows) because the Linux distributor didn't pay the licensing fees to include it (which is the same reason stuff is missing from Windows and Mac).
If the market would stand that higher price, why wasn't it being charged to start with?
The merchant fees have been part of the retail price for a while. Have you never noticed sellers offering a discount if you pay with cash or check? What you're actually seeing in those cases is every other retailer keeps the merchant fees as extra profit, and a select few really do pass the savings on to you.
Here's the reply to that comment explaining that you failed to price the same hardware for the Dell as for the Mac. The Apple has a better processor (Core 2 Duo vs Pentium D) and a better GPU (Ati X1600 vs Ati X1300). So try again.
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unfortunately there isn't something between a Mac Mini and a Mac Pro
Uhhh, the iMac is between the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro.
The GPL requires you provide source with your binaries, but most GPL'd Windows projects don't provide a source package...
Actually it only requires that you provide source upon request to the people you've distributed binaries to. And it doesn't require free public downloads of the source. If you track who you've shipped binaries to, those are the only people you need to devlier source to when they ask you for it. And you can send the source via physical media, and charge for both the media and the shipping costs. You've just been spoiled by all the people who go the extra marthon and put out the source in a nice and tidy organized fashion complete with makefiles, for free, on a website or with the original binary distribution.
unless you have a significant movement in politics to take on board some of the concepts of Christian Democracy. I find it baffling that in a country with such a large Christian community that equal opportunity and social justice are so far down the list of priorities when it comes to politics
Christianity doesn't have anything to do with free market capitalism vs government regulation of natural monopolies. What compelled you to phrase it in terms of religious faith?
Probably IBM (Notes) and Novell (Groupwise).
The demonstration on that page is flawed, it mentions the autoremove command then demonstrates the remove command instead. It is only one step if you use autoremove instead of remove. Personally I would prefer autoremove be the default behavior, but I appreciate having the choice between the two (I don't know if aptitude offers choice in this respect).
Aptitude is the only package manager smart enough to automatically remove unneeded packages when they are no longer needed.
apt-get, at least in edgy, has autoremove which is smart enough to remove packages which were installed as automatic dependencies but are not longer needed. Synaptic also has a Status categorization for these packages, but I forget what name is displayed. I didn't have to change any default settings to enabled this, either. If you have already tried these, is there anything in particular you find unsatisfactory about them?
Judging by this thread, you seem to be good at arguing with yourself over the merits of various platforms. I think that kind of ability will be a strong asset in you new position, and good for Sun.
You're confusing Standby and Suspend on Windows. Standby is pretty lame. It turns off components like the disk and the monitor, but it doesn't do anything special for saving system state to power down to nearly zero power consumption (I don't think it even slows down the CPU). Suspend is the mode that saves system state to memory and powers down, using only enough power to maintain the contents of RAM. Hibernate takes it the one step further to save to state to disk and fully power down. I've never understood why Macs don't have a hibernation mode. It's the only way to preserve system state while changing batteries.
His knighthood is not of the order to garner the title of Sir, you must be British for that to apply. Otherwise you are limited to the suffix K.B.E/a. (Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire).
But don't worry; after a while this batch of newbies will find another board to go be clueless on. I'm sure you'll remember that this sort of stupid-plague has hit before.
Is it September again already?! Where did the Spring and Summer go ....
Perhaps you missed the part about MS being on the losing end of a $1.5 billion patent infringement lawsuit. The very event that sparked this whole discussion, subsequently heated up by the addition of a company in Texas suing a handful of companies, including Apple, for what seems to be a patent on portable MP3 players (I could be wrong about what the patent covers, but the patent was originally held by Sigmatel, who makes chips that handle MP3 playback and other stuff).
160/192 AAC and FLAC. You could also stream a lower bitrate (128) AAC for people to sample the tracks. I personally will always go for the lossless option if it's something I like enough to keep (I'd rather buy a used CD and rip it myself then use a free lossy file).
To expand on this AAC is the audio layer of MPEG-4, and requires no licensing for streaming or distributing content using this encoding.
The point is that they only patch (security) bugs and nothing else, so the entire system is essentially frozen for years, hardly any new features are added.
We just switched from RHEL 4 update 3 to RHEL 4 update 4 on our build machines and found that C++ symbol mangling seems to have changed, leading to incompatible builds. So now we're having to scramble to update all our machines to update 4 and rebuild everything include code that hasn't changed. Update 4 also broke Java 1.5 runtimes. Yay for stable packages!
This service has been available (in beta, for free) for probably a year now, so [Google] aren't claiming that 100, 000 companies switched in a day.
It is precisely not the fault of the user. The problem that windows is ridden with malware/spyware/viruses is not the fault of the user, it is fault of Microsoft.
You have nobody to blame but yourself for intentionally downloading and installing something.
why should user has to go out to some third party repositories and fish out packages he couldn't find in "main"?
Because some distributors want to keep their distribution free and Free by not paying license fees to distribute patent-encumbered media codecs and binary-only device drivers. If you actually spent time looking, you could find retail copies of Linux distributions with fully licensed media codecs and device drivers included. So once again, it's your own fault for not getting what you wanted.
But it's not the fault of Fedora or Ubuntu if two different people setup their own public repository with incompatible versions of packages not in the core repo. It's not even the fault of the individual repo maintainers, because they build all their own packages compatible with the base and with themselves. It's the fault of the user for not being aware of what they're installing. That problem exists on any platform. How many people do you see with Windows boxes laoded with spyware/adware and an inability to play a handful of avi file because they installed 3 different kazaavideocodec packages that were incompatible? It sure was easy to install but not much more usable (in my experience). That's not the fault of Microsoft. I've had the same thing happen on my Mac. It wasn't Apple's fault, it was my fault for installing too much incompatible 3rd party stuff.
There was an effort put forth, last time I used Fedora Core, for the most popular 3rd party repo maintainers to standardize how the built packages and how they versioned their packages, so that the repos would be compatible. But it didn't entirely work, because one of them didn't want to join the club. If memory serves, that lone standout was Livna, which I think somewhat/halfway became Fedora Extras (haven't used Fedora since FC3 I think, might have tried 4). The only thing Fedora can do is maintain a list of 3rd party repo maintainers who are certified compatible with each other on a particular release. Beyond that it's up to the user. Just like on Windows and Mac.
The issue of repos is more visible in Linux because more often than not people on Mac and Windows get extra software direct from the software provider. If you need divx you got to divx.com. If you need The only real exception I can think of is people who are heavy into p2p and get media codec/player packs from their favorite p2p sites. On Linux the model is usually add repo X, install package Y.
Using a dependency resolver like Apt or Yum, I've never suffered dependency hell. Because I'm not retarded enough to add 40 different repos with incompatible builds of the same packages. You pick a set of repos that are intended to work with each other, or you go straight to the owner of the software being package and build your own (or in the event of proprietary software you ask them to provide a build for your distribution). What was the one package he wanted to ugprade? What repo provided it? Why did he use --force and/or --nodeps?
I think reality is out of touch with common sense in the context of multimedia codecs. People are complaining about distributions not including, for free, software that carries a [patent] license fee to distribute legally. Honestly, I don't hardly find it much easier to locate/install codecs on Mac or Windows that aren't part of the default OS install. In fact, I think it's easier on Linux. I just add the right repository, and I get all my codecs from one source. At least with the package repos in Linux I can then keep them current without having 14 different update services all over the place. I have no qualms about running proprietary, binary-only software on my Linux installs. I just don't find it offensive that I have to locate and install extra software (just like I do on Mac and Windows) because the Linux distributor didn't pay the licensing fees to include it (which is the same reason stuff is missing from Windows and Mac).
If the market would stand that higher price, why wasn't it being charged to start with?
The merchant fees have been part of the retail price for a while. Have you never noticed sellers offering a discount if you pay with cash or check? What you're actually seeing in those cases is every other retailer keeps the merchant fees as extra profit, and a select few really do pass the savings on to you.
Here's the reply to that comment explaining that you failed to price the same hardware for the Dell as for the Mac. The Apple has a better processor (Core 2 Duo vs Pentium D) and a better GPU (Ati X1600 vs Ati X1300). So try again.
Nevermind that they cost about twice the cost of a normal PC.
Prove it by providing a link to purchase a pre-built Windows PC for half the cost of an Apple with identical hardware. Either that or STFU already.
So true. Much better to use a word that doesn't have multiple different connotations ... for example, "Free".
Beer or Speech?
I wasn't trying to get them right ;) Just messing with you.
Are you, William Shatner? Or perhaps, Horatio Cane? I couldn't help, but notice, your plentiful pauses, throughout your post.