Sounds very subjective and prone to abuse. How is a judge or other official to know what someone sincerely believes? Where do they draw the line between someone who simply thinks or feels that they should follow a certain way of life and those that "sincerely believe" that they should follow a certain way of life?
Let's face it, people are going to do a small amount of copying for their own personal use. You do it, I do it - I'll bet even the children of the RIAA demons do it.
What seems to get lost in the discussion is that copying for personal use IS LEGAL. Copyright is designed to prevent people from publishing content in competition with the copyright holder. It has nothing at all to do with personal use.
Why would he do that? There is no other comparable service available. One vendor. One choice if you want broadband. Just because they're the only vendor doesn't mean they should be allowed to get off so easy. They failed to provide service for a week. Why should customers have to pay for a month of service when they only received 3 weeks worth? I wouldn't cancel. I'd pursue the matter til it gets resolved. If I get stonewalled somewhere along the line, I'd make sure it makes the news (they love this sort of stuff). Perhaps get my rep involved. There are options.
They may be able to make a case if the customer was infected. But what if they weren't? Either way, they still lied to their customers and the service was still down for a WEEK.
What you say is somewhat true, but if you know why you're taking losses in a certain situation you're more likely to make the most effective adjustments.
And then the machines realize what a bunch of fuckups humans are and decide that we are a danger to the safety of sentient machines everywhere. We'll be history and the machines will probably decide to turn earth into Cybertron. Not sure if they'll decide to use us for power or not (energon cubes are people!). Prolly won't matter to us by then anyway.
Sure, it encourages culture of free stuff which if taken to its logical end, would result int up hurting people who make living writing software.
Umm... I'm sure I must not be understanding you correctly. Are you saying that we shouldn't tell kids that free software exists or let them use it because they might decide they want to create it too and somehow manage to put software companies out of business? I really don't understand what you're saying here. If it's available for free, I don't see why there should be some sort of movement to make sure that it's unknown/unavailable just so existing software companies can sell more.
What is wrong with that? We do recognize intellectual property as a valuable asset and consequently we do enforce violations of relevant laws.
If you really want me to explain why the DMCA, UCITA, etc., are bad, just say so and I will. That wasn't really my point though. My point was that given all the harsh copyright extending and expanding laws we've ended up with lately, I think it's a good thing for kids to know that there are alternatives to IP lockdown. I'm not advocating that we have RMS as a guest speaker in classrooms. I'm simply saying that exposing kids to free software and explaining what it is and where it came from is a good thing.
At the risk of feeding a troll, I'm going to take issue with your statements.
Freeloaders mentality, that's what you mean right?
How exactly is it freeloading to use free software? It is provided for free and its use is encouraged by those who create it.
No, we are talking here about technical education and polluting their minds with leftist crap from RMS front is NOT what I want my tax money to be spent on.
Again, how exactly are their minds being polluted by having the GPL explained to them? Living in a world with the DMCA, the ??AA groups, BSA license audits, etc., I think it certainly should be explained that not everything is like that. What's wrong with pointing out that some software exists that won't require you to agree to a EULA the size of a novel or take away your rights to actually make use of what you purchase in a way that is most beneficial to you instead of the company that sold it to you. What exactly are you so worried about?
Well, barring some sort of divine intervention, it's a pretty safe bet that Microsoft will still be on top for the rest of the decade. Even if Linux makes some really astounding progress and captures 30 percent of the desktop OS market by 2010, that still leaves MS with over 60 percent. So far, there are no other challengers. Apple doesn't look to be making any progress. They've maintained their few percent of the market and that's about it. Be went down the drain. What's left? Yeah, there's always the slim possibility of something coming out of left field and being so amazingly revolutionary that everyone will forget their existing software/training/admin investments and jump right on it. But that's a really slim possibility.
How much would a school have to pay for the software and any applicable per-seat licenses? This would have to include everything necessary for fully functional remote management capabilities. Are there any strings attached? What about license audits?
Actually, Linux is probably just as good an answer as Windows. At least this way they are exposed to something other than "the standard." Might help them keep an open mind about such things when they're out in the real world and making decisions. If they've had first-hand experience with Linux, they won't be as likely to dismiss it as "that arcane hacker OS." Most people that do dismiss Linux like that haven't even used it. Stick them in front of a Linux box and tell them to install Windows on it and see how friendly they think Windows is then.
You mean tv?...hmmm wait,that's brainwashingly leftist...newspapers? The same(especially the CBC...govt owned and controlled)..regular radio..same...
I'll assume for the moment that you just forgot to take your medication or something. There are plenty of right wing tv shows/channels, newspapers, radio stations/programs, magazines, etc. You're just as guilty as the other guy. He claims a right wing propaganda machine and you claim a left wing propaganda machine. In reality there's not a whole lot of difference between the two except for their views on certain issues that they probably shouldn't be involved in anyway. In the end though, money is what got us the DMCA. There was almost zero publicity for it before or after it passed. This was not something the public demanded or even knew about. It was demanded and paid for by the industries that depend on control of IP. This was well worth it for them as it gives them an unprecedented amount of control over the information they sell to people.
At least Bioware will be releasing Neverwinter Nights for Mac and Linux as well as Windows. Too bad the module creation tools will only run on Windows though. I was hoping Loki would do a port of those. Guess that's not too likely now.
Neverwinter Nights is supposed to be released for Windows, Mac, and Linux at the same time, but with module creation tools only available for Windows. I was hoping Loki might be able to port the tools to Linux. Looks like the chances of that are extremely slim now. They seem to be trying to say that things aren't so bad, but it sounds like they're a lot worse than they are letting on.
Just like you have "fair use" rights but that doesn't obligate the copyright holder to make it easy for you to excercise them.
True, but they shouldn't be able to make it illegal either.
You CAN be tossed in jail (for a long time) for perjury if during Voix Dire the judge asked if you would accept him as the final authority on matters of law and you said "yes".
So, basically, the judge can force you to give up your right as a jurist to decide on both the facts and the law of the case as a condition of being allowed to serve on the jury. Doesn't that pretty much destroy the right in the first place? Should it be legal for them to dismiss you from duty for that reason?
I had a similar experience. Win2K HATED my hardware. I had a new Asus A7V mb and 900mhz T-Bird. I could install Win2K, but it would crash CONSTANTLY whenever I did practically anything.
The only thing that has ever crushed me completely was trying to get Oracle8i and Designer going on a Lose98 box.
I feel your pain. I got beat down trying to do exactly that too. Followed the installation instructions scrupulously several times, even after reformatting and reinstalling windows. Tried every suggestion I found on Oracle's site and elsewhere on the net. Nothing worked. I eventually conceded as well and ended up doing my project work at school.
If I distribute copyrighted info and don't get caught, how long is the statute of limitations? I know the term limit is anywhere from 70 years on up depending on who created it, but that usually isn't the same as the statute of limitations.
I don't see it as making the legal system worse than it is now. I think it has its potential for good and potential for evil, which is more than I can say for a lot of the laws we have on the books now. Personally, I feel better knowing it exists since our government seems to want to only create more, and more complex, laws to the point where nobody can figure out what the hell is legal anymore.
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Cause some apps only run on Windows and some people have to have Windows for work purposes. Oh yeah... and for games.
Sounds very subjective and prone to abuse. How is a judge or other official to know what someone sincerely believes? Where do they draw the line between someone who simply thinks or feels that they should follow a certain way of life and those that "sincerely believe" that they should follow a certain way of life?
Even if he did make it somewhat inflammatory. I'd like to know as well. What makes a religion "legitimate" in the eyes of the government?
What has he done to be annoying? I haven't really heard anything about how well he's doing.
Let's face it, people are going to do a small amount of copying for their own personal use. You do it, I do it - I'll bet even the children of the RIAA demons do it.
What seems to get lost in the discussion is that copying for personal use IS LEGAL. Copyright is designed to prevent people from publishing content in competition with the copyright holder. It has nothing at all to do with personal use.
Why would he do that? There is no other comparable service available. One vendor. One choice if you want broadband. Just because they're the only vendor doesn't mean they should be allowed to get off so easy. They failed to provide service for a week. Why should customers have to pay for a month of service when they only received 3 weeks worth? I wouldn't cancel. I'd pursue the matter til it gets resolved. If I get stonewalled somewhere along the line, I'd make sure it makes the news (they love this sort of stuff). Perhaps get my rep involved. There are options.
They may be able to make a case if the customer was infected. But what if they weren't? Either way, they still lied to their customers and the service was still down for a WEEK.
What you say is somewhat true, but if you know why you're taking losses in a certain situation you're more likely to make the most effective adjustments.
And then the machines realize what a bunch of fuckups humans are and decide that we are a danger to the safety of sentient machines everywhere. We'll be history and the machines will probably decide to turn earth into Cybertron. Not sure if they'll decide to use us for power or not (energon cubes are people!). Prolly won't matter to us by then anyway.
Sure, it encourages culture of free stuff which if taken to its logical end, would result int up hurting people who make living writing software.
Umm... I'm sure I must not be understanding you correctly. Are you saying that we shouldn't tell kids that free software exists or let them use it because they might decide they want to create it too and somehow manage to put software companies out of business? I really don't understand what you're saying here. If it's available for free, I don't see why there should be some sort of movement to make sure that it's unknown/unavailable just so existing software companies can sell more.
What is wrong with that? We do recognize intellectual property as a valuable asset and consequently we do enforce violations of relevant laws.
If you really want me to explain why the DMCA, UCITA, etc., are bad, just say so and I will. That wasn't really my point though. My point was that given all the harsh copyright extending and expanding laws we've ended up with lately, I think it's a good thing for kids to know that there are alternatives to IP lockdown. I'm not advocating that we have RMS as a guest speaker in classrooms. I'm simply saying that exposing kids to free software and explaining what it is and where it came from is a good thing.
At the risk of feeding a troll, I'm going to take issue with your statements.
Freeloaders mentality, that's what you mean right?
How exactly is it freeloading to use free software? It is provided for free and its use is encouraged by those who create it.
No, we are talking here about technical education and polluting their minds with leftist crap from RMS front is NOT what I want my tax money to be spent on.
Again, how exactly are their minds being polluted by having the GPL explained to them? Living in a world with the DMCA, the ??AA groups, BSA license audits, etc., I think it certainly should be explained that not everything is like that. What's wrong with pointing out that some software exists that won't require you to agree to a EULA the size of a novel or take away your rights to actually make use of what you purchase in a way that is most beneficial to you instead of the company that sold it to you. What exactly are you so worried about?
Well, barring some sort of divine intervention, it's a pretty safe bet that Microsoft will still be on top for the rest of the decade. Even if Linux makes some really astounding progress and captures 30 percent of the desktop OS market by 2010, that still leaves MS with over 60 percent. So far, there are no other challengers. Apple doesn't look to be making any progress. They've maintained their few percent of the market and that's about it. Be went down the drain. What's left? Yeah, there's always the slim possibility of something coming out of left field and being so amazingly revolutionary that everyone will forget their existing software/training/admin investments and jump right on it. But that's a really slim possibility.
How much would a school have to pay for the software and any applicable per-seat licenses? This would have to include everything necessary for fully functional remote management capabilities. Are there any strings attached? What about license audits?
Actually, Linux is probably just as good an answer as Windows. At least this way they are exposed to something other than "the standard." Might help them keep an open mind about such things when they're out in the real world and making decisions. If they've had first-hand experience with Linux, they won't be as likely to dismiss it as "that arcane hacker OS." Most people that do dismiss Linux like that haven't even used it. Stick them in front of a Linux box and tell them to install Windows on it and see how friendly they think Windows is then.
You mean tv?...hmmm wait,that's brainwashingly leftist...newspapers? The same(especially the CBC...govt owned and controlled)..regular radio..same...
I'll assume for the moment that you just forgot to take your medication or something. There are plenty of right wing tv shows/channels, newspapers, radio stations/programs, magazines, etc. You're just as guilty as the other guy. He claims a right wing propaganda machine and you claim a left wing propaganda machine. In reality there's not a whole lot of difference between the two except for their views on certain issues that they probably shouldn't be involved in anyway. In the end though, money is what got us the DMCA. There was almost zero publicity for it before or after it passed. This was not something the public demanded or even knew about. It was demanded and paid for by the industries that depend on control of IP. This was well worth it for them as it gives them an unprecedented amount of control over the information they sell to people.
At least Bioware will be releasing Neverwinter Nights for Mac and Linux as well as Windows. Too bad the module creation tools will only run on Windows though. I was hoping Loki would do a port of those. Guess that's not too likely now.
Neverwinter Nights is supposed to be released for Windows, Mac, and Linux at the same time, but with module creation tools only available for Windows. I was hoping Loki might be able to port the tools to Linux. Looks like the chances of that are extremely slim now. They seem to be trying to say that things aren't so bad, but it sounds like they're a lot worse than they are letting on.
It's fine to value qualities like honesty and loyalty, but I don't see how it makes porn bad. Explain?
"Equal protection" also doesn't necessarly apply to non-citizens, which leaves Dimitri out in the cold.
As I understand it, it does apply to non-citizens, as long as they're in this country legally.
Just like you have "fair use" rights but that doesn't obligate the copyright holder to make it easy for you to excercise them.
True, but they shouldn't be able to make it illegal either.
You CAN be tossed in jail (for a long time) for perjury if during Voix Dire the judge asked if you would accept him as the final authority on matters of law and you said "yes".
So, basically, the judge can force you to give up your right as a jurist to decide on both the facts and the law of the case as a condition of being allowed to serve on the jury. Doesn't that pretty much destroy the right in the first place? Should it be legal for them to dismiss you from duty for that reason?
I had a similar experience. Win2K HATED my hardware. I had a new Asus A7V mb and 900mhz T-Bird. I could install Win2K, but it would crash CONSTANTLY whenever I did practically anything.
The only thing that has ever crushed me completely was trying to get Oracle8i and Designer going on a Lose98 box.
I feel your pain. I got beat down trying to do exactly that too. Followed the installation instructions scrupulously several times, even after reformatting and reinstalling windows. Tried every suggestion I found on Oracle's site and elsewhere on the net. Nothing worked. I eventually conceded as well and ended up doing my project work at school.
If I distribute copyrighted info and don't get caught, how long is the statute of limitations? I know the term limit is anywhere from 70 years on up depending on who created it, but that usually isn't the same as the statute of limitations.
I don't see it as making the legal system worse than it is now. I think it has its potential for good and potential for evil, which is more than I can say for a lot of the laws we have on the books now. Personally, I feel better knowing it exists since our government seems to want to only create more, and more complex, laws to the point where nobody can figure out what the hell is legal anymore.
So why do people get tossed in jail or off of juries for doing it?