I am not familiar with the concept of "moral significance". Could you define it in a way that doesn't require any supernatural beliefs? I don't believe in souls or anything like that, if that's what you're trying to allude to.
Fighting the good fight, out in the real world, instead of hiding behind a monitor. Sure, he broke the law, but that comes with the territory. Even in a peaceful revolution.
Normally first launches like this have just a dummy load: bags of sand or whatever else can make up sufficient payload
That's not even true. Where do you people come up with this nonsense? For example: The very first Saturn V launch carried a full Apollo Command/Service Module (CSM). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Space nutters like you have blinders on. Sure we've developed useful technology from these rocket stunts. But that's not the only path of technological progress. We've gotten more useful technology from studying bacteria in waste ponds than from sending people to the moon.
1997 was when Pathfinder landed on Mars, the first lander to do so in 30 years and the first rover on Mars. The Hubble was hitting its stride and the ISS began construction a year later. It was an exciting time for actual space science.
All the brains at SpaceX put together can't think of any thing useful, but expendable, to send to Mars orbit? If nothing else, send a payload of CubeSats and let some amateur people come up with ideas.
all you really need is agriculture to survive in the short term
Also oxygen, heating, water, waste disposal, replacement parts, medical supplies... list goes on.
That's risk is inherent in the endeavor - if you're not willing to accept it, don't go.
SpaceX depends on government funds, so that puts the risk into realm of public scrutiny. Why should we pay for a bunch of people to commit mass suicide in the most convoluted way in human history?
Look at the pie charts in your own link. The stuff that has to be hand picked, ie fruits and vegetables, is only 11% of the agricultural sector. Which, in turn, is only 12.6% of consumer expenditures. Many crops have already moved past hand-picking; its not unreasonable for other crops to adapt.
Its really you who is trying to fuck over mexicans. No one should have to suffer a lifetime of debilitating manual labor just so you can have some strawberries in your Cheerios.
you are going to be paying for that increased price
No we won't. If the cost to harvest certain crops in the US becomes prohibitive, we'll just import from some cheaper country. Or we'll switch to crops are that more amenable to mechanical harvesting.
Some small farms already have this solved. Get hipsters to drive out to your farm, pick their own food, and charge them for the privilege of doing it. Sell them some bottled water to drink in the fields while they're at it.
Do you see the contradiction? To be survive, colonists will have to be humble, cooperative, mentally stable, socially well-adjusted people. Anyone who voluntarily signs up for a one-way trip should be immediately disqualified. And if colonists are screened for being too egotistical, then Elon will have to stay home.
I don't think "rogue" AI will be the problem. AI that operates within the intended purposes, but without any moral concern, could be just as dangerous.
There is already precedent. In many ways, corporations are a prototype for AI behavior. A corporation is an artificial construct with a singular purpose (maximize stockholder value). And it carries out this purpose without any particular regard for the well-being of its customers, employees, or society at large. Now imagine an AI put in charge of a corporation; there'd be nothing holding it back. It would never have pangs of guilt. It would never get distracted by golf or mistresses. It would never make mistakes over ego. It would have all the ruthlessness and efficiency of a Terminator, but backed by all the resources of corporation. That could be incredibly dangerous, even if never strayed from its programmers' intentions.
Finding problems isn't a failure. But in the decades since then, no experiments have actually *solved* those problems. Don't forget that a major issue was psychological breakdown of the crew itself. Won't be any easy fixes for that.
I'm going to LMAO when Elon Musk gets to Mars and realizes he has given up a life of luxury for a tin can on a frozen airless rock.
If AI is ever smart enough to replace humans, wouldn't that be an improvement? Parents are usually proud when their children surpass them in achievement. I would be happy to view AI the same way.
Even from an environmental perspective, what's the point of roof top solar in Washington? According to my power bill, 87% of my electricity comes from hydro and 11% comes from nuclear. There is only one coal power station in the state (in Centralia) and it's scheduled to close by 2025. Seems like buying power from the grid is greener than manufacturing new Chinese solar panels.
From the consumer side, this a huge negative. Charge backs are the whole reason I use a credit card instead of debit. I would NEVER buy anything online without the ability to reverse the transaction if the product is unsatisfactory.
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I am not familiar with the concept of "moral significance". Could you define it in a way that doesn't require any supernatural beliefs? I don't believe in souls or anything like that, if that's what you're trying to allude to.
Fighting the good fight, out in the real world, instead of hiding behind a monitor. Sure, he broke the law, but that comes with the territory. Even in a peaceful revolution.
Normally first launches like this have just a dummy load: bags of sand or whatever else can make up sufficient payload
That's not even true. Where do you people come up with this nonsense? For example: The very first Saturn V launch carried a full Apollo Command/Service Module (CSM). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Space nutters like you have blinders on. Sure we've developed useful technology from these rocket stunts. But that's not the only path of technological progress. We've gotten more useful technology from studying bacteria in waste ponds than from sending people to the moon.
1997 was when Pathfinder landed on Mars, the first lander to do so in 30 years and the first rover on Mars. The Hubble was hitting its stride and the ISS began construction a year later. It was an exciting time for actual space science.
That means they don't have any important payload
All the brains at SpaceX put together can't think of any thing useful, but expendable, to send to Mars orbit? If nothing else, send a payload of CubeSats and let some amateur people come up with ideas.
I clicked the comments wondering how Elon's pet shill was going to try to justify something this stupid. I see you didn't even bother.
all you really need is agriculture to survive in the short term
Also oxygen, heating, water, waste disposal, replacement parts, medical supplies... list goes on.
That's risk is inherent in the endeavor - if you're not willing to accept it, don't go.
SpaceX depends on government funds, so that puts the risk into realm of public scrutiny. Why should we pay for a bunch of people to commit mass suicide in the most convoluted way in human history?
Its really you who is trying to fuck over mexicans. No one should have to suffer a lifetime of debilitating manual labor just so you can have some strawberries in your Cheerios.
No we won't. If the cost to harvest certain crops in the US becomes prohibitive, we'll just import from some cheaper country. Or we'll switch to crops are that more amenable to mechanical harvesting.
Some small farms already have this solved. Get hipsters to drive out to your farm, pick their own food, and charge them for the privilege of doing it. Sell them some bottled water to drink in the fields while they're at it.
Do you see the contradiction? To be survive, colonists will have to be humble, cooperative, mentally stable, socially well-adjusted people. Anyone who voluntarily signs up for a one-way trip should be immediately disqualified. And if colonists are screened for being too egotistical, then Elon will have to stay home.
There is already precedent. In many ways, corporations are a prototype for AI behavior. A corporation is an artificial construct with a singular purpose (maximize stockholder value). And it carries out this purpose without any particular regard for the well-being of its customers, employees, or society at large. Now imagine an AI put in charge of a corporation; there'd be nothing holding it back. It would never have pangs of guilt. It would never get distracted by golf or mistresses. It would never make mistakes over ego. It would have all the ruthlessness and efficiency of a Terminator, but backed by all the resources of corporation. That could be incredibly dangerous, even if never strayed from its programmers' intentions.
Does counting to 12 require a great deal of concentration for you?
I don't need logic lessons from someone who thinks Jesus quotes are relevant to a AI discussion. OK? Thanks. Bye.
Biosphere 1 has been a total failure. Time to shut down Earth and everyone go home.
I'm going to LMAO when Elon Musk gets to Mars and realizes he has given up a life of luxury for a tin can on a frozen airless rock.
Did a spirit tell you to post that?
Any quote from InspiroBot is more insightful than that nonsense about spirits. http://inspirobot.me/
If AI is ever smart enough to replace humans, wouldn't that be an improvement? Parents are usually proud when their children surpass them in achievement. I would be happy to view AI the same way.
Even from an environmental perspective, what's the point of roof top solar in Washington? According to my power bill, 87% of my electricity comes from hydro and 11% comes from nuclear. There is only one coal power station in the state (in Centralia) and it's scheduled to close by 2025. Seems like buying power from the grid is greener than manufacturing new Chinese solar panels.
From the consumer side, this a huge negative. Charge backs are the whole reason I use a credit card instead of debit. I would NEVER buy anything online without the ability to reverse the transaction if the product is unsatisfactory.
Right. These breadlines and salary delays are getting to be a real pain.
And how do you propose to do that in a way that does not violate the 1st Amendment?
China has absolutely no expectation of net neutrality. But companies like Baidu, Alibaba and Weibo still operate and thrive there.