1. Libya has 1970s SAMs and 1960s AAA, the places where those nodes are still in Gaddafi's hands are airbases around Tripoli. The Prowlers and Super Hornets on a US carrier as well as the Rafales on Charles de Gaulle can identify those, jam and kill those with HARM and SCALP missiles with very very little collateral damage.
That is if the Libyan military even turned those on. If the Libyan military is down to flying in guys from the Congo and Sierra Leone as heavies, the danger of an integrated air defense network is very low.
2. Carriers beat NATO airbases because they are able to get much, much closer while carriers and amphibious assault ships make for very good and efficient staging areas for humanitarian assistance. Carriers and Amphibs can deploy food, medical teams and evacuate people with helicopters, planes out of Sicily can't.
Naval Air Station Sigonella to Benghazi is 450 air miles. Crete to Benghazi is 310. Malta to Benghazi is 410 air miles. The eastern Gulf of Sidra is 50-75 miles from Benghazi.
Cairo West Airfield to Benghazi is 650 air miles, if the Arab League and Egypt decided to allow that to be used.
If the humanitarian problems go to western or southern Libya, naval aviation remains the most flexible option.
And F-22s are only forward deployed to the Pacific and Korea.
That risk of loss from operation tempo and the magic bullet are also reasons why the EU/NATO won't send Eurofighter Typhoon down there. Harriers, Rafales, F-16s and F-18s can deal with anyone in North Africa and have more loiter time than F-22 or Typhoon.
You see that they grabbed one of his bunkers? I'm not sure what we call the two factions informally, I use Gaddafi and New Libya when talking about it with my wife.
Nice dig at the F-22, but you don't need top of the line intercepters running a no-fly zone over Libya.
UN/NATO/EU No-Fly Zone would likely look like this... French carrier Charles DeGaulle and an American carrier would be in the Gulf of Sidra with AWACS up from both carriers, maybe Eurofighter Typhoons and F-16s coming down from Italy. Anything unauthorized thats spotted over Libya gets escorted or shot down by the 60+ Rafales and F-18s off the two carriers. Two carriers like that could dominate the region for two or three months.
Control the air corridors into Libya and no murdering asshats get in to do Gaddafi's wet work.
The former head of Libya's Special Forces said he'd liked to see "...an Arab air force, a European air force or the United States Air Force for air support, in that order of preference." Before the Revolution, the Egyptians would be the best poised to do that, but I doubt they'll get involved now, so then the Gulf States...umm I doubt they'll aid a revolution with their own about the break out. So Arab air forces are out. The EU might be able to do it themselves, but right now they only have one carrier (Charles de Gaulle), five STOL carriers (HMS Illustrious, Cavour, Giuseppe Garibaldi, Juan Carlos I, Principe de Asturias). The CdG is pretty capable, the five STOL carriers can't do a No Fly Zone, not even with the five of them together.
It just happens that USS Enterprise is in the Red Sea and might be heading back through the Suez today for Libya.
The Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya - That's Gaddafi's Libya, its the government that use to run all of the geographical area we think of as Libya. The National Libyan Council - is revolutionary Libya based on Benghazi, it's been under rebel control for over a week now.
"I missed the part were the USA or UK offered the jews part of THEIR territory to share it with them, instead of sharing the land of other people."
What was the Mandate called? The Norwegian Mandate? Burmese? No the British Mandate, it was British territory after the First World War to which the League of Nations and then the United Nations decided would be managed by the United Kingdom and then partitioned between the Jews and Arabs, a partition that the Arabs did not honor.
Jews have a 3000+ year history in Israel, not Bavaria.
"So some newcomers come..." By newcomers you mean Jews whose ancestors lived in the region since the end of the Babylonian Captivity and who survived the Roman Wars and etc.
In the United States we have many homelands for people who were here before the Europeans came, we call those Indian Nations and Reservations. I'm from one thats about exactly half the size of Israel which border one of equal size, so together they are the size of Israel. Somehow though we don't have open warfare going on, American Indians don't blow up the government and civilians of South Dakota.
The main reason there is a Palestinian problem is because in 1948 the Arab nations around the British Mandate of Palestine decided that they didn't need to share the Mandate with the Jews, some who had been there 2500 years, others since Modern Zionism started and others who were refugees from WW2 and the anti-Jewish pogroms following the war.
Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had been an honored guest of Hitler throughout the war, was influential in getting the Egyptians to take part in the 1948 Arab-Israel War and in coloring the war as a "Holy War", something the Jordanians didn't like as they saw the war as a way to expand their territory.
The war ended with a victorious Israel as a nation and hundreds of thousands of refugees, people who had bought into the whole "push the Jews into the sea" movement, the Arab states they were refugees in didn't want them there and so they marginalized the Palestinians while promising to get rid of the Jews just as soon as they could.
Not to mention the Palestinian uprisings violently put down by Jordan and Syria, both of which kill many more Palestinians than both Intifadas combined.
Palestinian refugee camps are not the sole responsibility of Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq all had a hand in making them as they were the aggressors in 1948.
My wife works at a High School where about 64 languages are spoken at home and the district has roughly 10% of the students from non English or Spanish speaking homes.
Zionism is Jewish Nationalism, to call that an extremist political movement like Apartheid, is to call Pan-Arabism or Arabism an extremist political movement similar to Apartheid. Or to call the American Indian Movement an extremist political movement similar to Apartheid.
Zionism is not racism and the only way now to eliminate Zionism is to destroy the Jews as a culture and a people.
The knowledge that there are people in the world who think destroying Judaism and Jewish identity is an option is exactly way Israel has nuclear weapons.
I really liked SG:U, the Lucians were all to similar, it was like the inmates from Aliens3, too similar to care.
Caprica could have been good, I really liked the last two episodes, if they'd built off that instead of the Ghost in the Machine crap, it could have been better.
Stargate Atlantis was terrible. Terrible. SG:U was good but those long breaks between.5 seasons was a killer. We watched every episode of 1.0 but none of 1.5, just couldn't get interested again. Caprica tried to do too much with too many subplots the first.5 season, they streamlined it at the end but that was too little too late. Toss out the New Cap City crap and go all film noir sci-fi, it might have been more successful.
I think he stopped caring about legalities when he let anyone with a beef train in the Libyan Sahara and sent them home with as much SEMTEX as they could carry.
Or maybe when he started blowing up bars and airplanes.
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1. Libya has 1970s SAMs and 1960s AAA, the places where those nodes are still in Gaddafi's hands are airbases around Tripoli. The Prowlers and Super Hornets on a US carrier as well as the Rafales on Charles de Gaulle can identify those, jam and kill those with HARM and SCALP missiles with very very little collateral damage.
That is if the Libyan military even turned those on. If the Libyan military is down to flying in guys from the Congo and Sierra Leone as heavies, the danger of an integrated air defense network is very low.
2. Carriers beat NATO airbases because they are able to get much, much closer while carriers and amphibious assault ships make for very good and efficient staging areas for humanitarian assistance. Carriers and Amphibs can deploy food, medical teams and evacuate people with helicopters, planes out of Sicily can't.
Naval Air Station Sigonella to Benghazi is 450 air miles. Crete to Benghazi is 310. Malta to Benghazi is 410 air miles. The eastern Gulf of Sidra is 50-75 miles from Benghazi.
Cairo West Airfield to Benghazi is 650 air miles, if the Arab League and Egypt decided to allow that to be used.
If the humanitarian problems go to western or southern Libya, naval aviation remains the most flexible option.
And F-22s are only forward deployed to the Pacific and Korea.
That risk of loss from operation tempo and the magic bullet are also reasons why the EU/NATO won't send Eurofighter Typhoon down there. Harriers, Rafales, F-16s and F-18s can deal with anyone in North Africa and have more loiter time than F-22 or Typhoon.
What about Al Jazeera or Al Arabiya?
A number of countries, Cuba and Venezuela come to mind, are denying the revolution and supporting Gaddafi's claims.
The tens of thousands of Libyan and foreign refugee's testimony make it sound like the US/EU reports are closer to the truth.
You see that they grabbed one of his bunkers? I'm not sure what we call the two factions informally, I use Gaddafi and New Libya when talking about it with my wife.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L1hWPGVcB0
Nice dig at the F-22, but you don't need top of the line intercepters running a no-fly zone over Libya.
UN/NATO/EU No-Fly Zone would likely look like this...
French carrier Charles DeGaulle and an American carrier would be in the Gulf of Sidra with AWACS up from both carriers, maybe Eurofighter Typhoons and F-16s coming down from Italy. Anything unauthorized thats spotted over Libya gets escorted or shot down by the 60+ Rafales and F-18s off the two carriers. Two carriers like that could dominate the region for two or three months.
Control the air corridors into Libya and no murdering asshats get in to do Gaddafi's wet work.
The former head of Libya's Special Forces said he'd liked to see "...an Arab air force, a European air force or the United States Air Force for air support, in that order of preference." Before the Revolution, the Egyptians would be the best poised to do that, but I doubt they'll get involved now, so then the Gulf States...umm I doubt they'll aid a revolution with their own about the break out. So Arab air forces are out. The EU might be able to do it themselves, but right now they only have one carrier (Charles de Gaulle), five STOL carriers (HMS Illustrious, Cavour, Giuseppe Garibaldi, Juan Carlos I, Principe de Asturias). The CdG is pretty capable, the five STOL carriers can't do a No Fly Zone, not even with the five of them together.
It just happens that USS Enterprise is in the Red Sea and might be heading back through the Suez today for Libya.
There are two Libyas now.
The Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya - That's Gaddafi's Libya, its the government that use to run all of the geographical area we think of as Libya.
The National Libyan Council - is revolutionary Libya based on Benghazi, it's been under rebel control for over a week now.
No it'll become a US sucks/No it doesn't within the 30th comment.
"I missed the part were the USA or UK offered the jews part of THEIR territory to share it with them, instead of sharing the land of other people."
What was the Mandate called? The Norwegian Mandate? Burmese? No the British Mandate, it was British territory after the First World War to which the League of Nations and then the United Nations decided would be managed by the United Kingdom and then partitioned between the Jews and Arabs, a partition that the Arabs did not honor.
Jews have a 3000+ year history in Israel, not Bavaria.
"So some newcomers come..." By newcomers you mean Jews whose ancestors lived in the region since the end of the Babylonian Captivity and who survived the Roman Wars and etc.
In the United States we have many homelands for people who were here before the Europeans came, we call those Indian Nations and Reservations. I'm from one thats about exactly half the size of Israel which border one of equal size, so together they are the size of Israel. Somehow though we don't have open warfare going on, American Indians don't blow up the government and civilians of South Dakota.
The main reason there is a Palestinian problem is because in 1948 the Arab nations around the British Mandate of Palestine decided that they didn't need to share the Mandate with the Jews, some who had been there 2500 years, others since Modern Zionism started and others who were refugees from WW2 and the anti-Jewish pogroms following the war.
Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had been an honored guest of Hitler throughout the war, was influential in getting the Egyptians to take part in the 1948 Arab-Israel War and in coloring the war as a "Holy War", something the Jordanians didn't like as they saw the war as a way to expand their territory.
The war ended with a victorious Israel as a nation and hundreds of thousands of refugees, people who had bought into the whole "push the Jews into the sea" movement, the Arab states they were refugees in didn't want them there and so they marginalized the Palestinians while promising to get rid of the Jews just as soon as they could.
Not to mention the Palestinian uprisings violently put down by Jordan and Syria, both of which kill many more Palestinians than both Intifadas combined.
Palestinian refugee camps are not the sole responsibility of Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq all had a hand in making them as they were the aggressors in 1948.
The United States does not have an official language.
So what about the Reservations, Alaska Natives? No medical service if they don't speak English?
My wife works at a High School where about 64 languages are spoken at home and the district has roughly 10% of the students from non English or Spanish speaking homes.
Thats in Alaska.
The United States does not have a national language, so what language is "your language" in your example?
Depends on the State. Here in Alaska, a good number, in California, Texas, Florida, Arizona and New Mexico you'll have more than a few.
Then get into the seasonal farm workers in the west and Pacific Northwest and theres a ton.
Overall, probably 3% don't speak English at all, so about 9 million, give or take a percentage.
Zionism is Jewish Nationalism, to call that an extremist political movement like Apartheid, is to call Pan-Arabism or Arabism an extremist political movement similar to Apartheid. Or to call the American Indian Movement an extremist political movement similar to Apartheid.
Zionism is not racism and the only way now to eliminate Zionism is to destroy the Jews as a culture and a people.
The knowledge that there are people in the world who think destroying Judaism and Jewish identity is an option is exactly way Israel has nuclear weapons.
So it's reasonable to wipe out a race from the world?
Don't forget consumer level digital video editing with iMovie and mastering to DVD with iDVD.
When iDVD and SuperDrives came out it cut the price of a DVD mastering workstation by 80%. One day they were $10,000 dollars and then they were $2000.
Someone is going to go "but XY had USB only on the XY-495 that they sold two weeks before iMac. And ZB had 802.11b on the ZB-A9 ten days before."
I didn't realize you were the intention police. I will consider myself warned but free to go.
Lives aren't on the line at my job, paperwork is, so we take HIPAA seriously.
Did I saw I work in health care?
No I didn't and HIPAA doesn't just apply to patient care, it also applies to mental health, disabilities, etc.
I stand by my comment - I work in a state governmental agency and we take it very seriously.
I work in a state governmental agency and we take it very seriously.
I really liked SG:U, the Lucians were all to similar, it was like the inmates from Aliens3, too similar to care.
Caprica could have been good, I really liked the last two episodes, if they'd built off that instead of the Ghost in the Machine crap, it could have been better.
Stargate Atlantis was terrible. Terrible. .5 seasons was a killer. We watched every episode of 1.0 but none of 1.5, just couldn't get interested again. .5 season, they streamlined it at the end but that was too little too late. Toss out the New Cap City crap and go all film noir sci-fi, it might have been more successful.
SG:U was good but those long breaks between
Caprica tried to do too much with too many subplots the first
I think he stopped caring about legalities when he let anyone with a beef train in the Libyan Sahara and sent them home with as much SEMTEX as they could carry.
Or maybe when he started blowing up bars and airplanes.
When the US goes into "clean up the mess" we are called baby killers.
This is in the European Union's backyard do they have the fortitude to do it themselves?
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH22Ak03.html
http://rescommunis.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/complaints-about-iranian-satellite-jamming/
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/06/23/letter-eutelsat-corporation
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/03/26/us-iran-jamming-itu-idUSTRE62P21G20100326
The Cuban government was home to an Iranian jamming program in the old Soviet facilities for years.
And the Libyans have done this before
http://www.space.com/3666-libya-pinpointed-source-months-long-satellite-jamming-2006.html