Now suppose that you and your family were kidnapped from your home at gun point, and you had to watch while unspeakable things were done to them and to you.
I think this would 'teach' someone to go buy their own gun.
Maybe if "The People" (as in The Constitution) weren't so complacent as to wait for the government to hold our hands we wouldn't be facing what is really the build up of decades of neglect.
Are you talking about The Collective People or The Individual People?
"MSM Directive 4873.47(a)
Anyone who voices an opinion unsubstantiated by factual information that could be contrived as not supportive of Mr. Obama is automatically a racist and afraid of Non-White Skinned People."
Keep it coming, your true colors are really coming through now. Using that logic if I were to say Mr. Obama eats old candy canes during the month of January, smokes three packs of cigarettes a day, hates walks on the beach and loves using Internet Explorer and Vista I would be a racist and afraid of Non-White Skinned People. Sorry chief, just because one is critical (unsubstantiated or otherwise) of a person that is of a different skin color does not make you a racist. In fact, this type of belief system is racism in and of itself. Sadly, this is what the "PC Movement" has brought us.
Furthermore, you were the one spewing unsubstantiated opinions. I was merely stating my predictions based on historical evidence.
I don't really think he is that scary either. He has about the same build as I and big ears are not really all that frightening in my opinion. My goodness, forgive me. I forgot the protocol!
MSM Directive 4873.47(a)
Anyone who voices an opinion that could be contrived as not supportive of Mr. Obama is automatically a racist and afraid of Non-White Skinned People.
But seriously, do you honestly think Mr. Obama is not a career politician full of empty promises and BS rhetoric?
I believe the former Exalted Cyclops of his local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan, Senior Senator of West Virgina Robert Byrd as President pro tempore of the United States Senate, fits in there somewhere.
It is too bad that there are so many people, so completely scared, that they think they need to "protect" themselves with a gun.
I don't even lock my door, why should I bother owning a gun? I don't worry about that stuff. Plus, if someone were to break in to my house, grabbing a gun is just about the stupidest thing to do. The criminal is probably 1) armed, 2) awake and alert, 3) ruthless, 4) ready to use his weapon to make sure he doesn't get caught. Who do you think is going to win that battle, you or the criminal? My bet is on the criminal.
By grabbing a gun, you have just elevated the chances of YOU dying by a great amount.
It's not about being afraid, it's about being prepared.
You honestly believe the "1) armed, 2) awake and alert, 3) ruthless, 4) ready to use his weapon to make sure he doesn't get caught" criminal is going to have mercy on you because you are unarmed? You are merely easy prey.
It's been fun but you will have to excuse me, I am leading Kumbaya and also in charge of the gumdrops today. Maybe we can have a skip through the field with all the wild flowers someday.
Things will continue as per the agenda, the war(s) will escalate, you will still not have health care and the new administration will begin to chip away at the freedoms of the citizens of the United States of America where their predecessors left off.
The only items that will stand up to a two year old are made of stone or a hard metal such as iron or steel. If you are going with steel I recommend stainless.
We should get one thing straight before going any further as it will nullify most of your arguments. You seem to be convinced that I am a drug user / dealer, burglar, bank robber, gang member or similar. I can assure you this is not the case. My day typically consists of work, home, the drive between the two and an occasional trip to the grocery store. About once a month I travel for work for a week or two at a time and I occasionally have a beer or two. Pretty wild, eh? Not sure what could be considered unreasonable or risky but everyone is different.
That's like saying you should wear a fireman's suit all the time in case the building you're in catches fire. Packing iron is just as extreme. My interpretation of someone carrying a gun is that they want to live unreasonably and be "prepared" when life catches up with them.
It's more like wearing a seat belt whilst driving. Most buildings must meet fire codes and they generally have fire extinguishers, alarms and escape routes. Life does not come with an alarm system and escape is not always an option when someone wants to take your life.
It is obvious you have not consumed as much Mountain Dew as I have because we have wildly different ideas of extreme.
See above. Your interpretation is a fallacy and you should do further research.
Insurance holds law enforcement accountable by higher premiums to their municipal government (city/town/county etc). If crime gets out of hand, the municipality is faced with a prohibitively high rate increase, and must either shape up or pack up. State and federal governments share in the responsibility and lend their support as needed. If law enforcement becomes ineffective, the economic pressure sorts things out.
So take money from a municipality and give it some insurance company? Sounds great. Where do they pack up to? Does the town becomes a ghost town? Please provide a citation for this program that seems to be working so well for Canada opposed to the gun ridden streets of the United States.
There are services available to victims of crime, more than just financial support, obviously no replacement for not having been victimized in the first place. But more importantly you should know it's your children that are more likely to be victims of gun-related violence. The age at which murderers are most likely to use a gun is 17. Guess what age group they're shooting at. Are you then going to send your kids to school packing? Of course not. You shouldn't carry a gun either FOR THE EXACT SAME REASONS.
Actually, there is a school district which allows concealed handgun permit holders to carry their firearms on school grounds. There is also legislation being introduced next session to allow concealed carry on college campus If my children decide to obtain their permits when they become of age I will support them 100% and I am encouraging my school district to adopt similar policy.
There are distinct differences between myself and my children. I am an adult. I am capable of making rational decisions under duress and I have a much better dispostion than most children. Therefore, the reasons that my children should not carry a firearm to kindergarten do not apply to me. Also, you have to be 21 to obtain your permit in Texas.
I don't buy it. A reasonable reaction for when someone believes their way of life could lead them into mortal danger is to change their way of life to avoid such a situation. By arming yourself, you knowingly accept the risk and in fact add to it by doing so. Your family comes along for the ride, and are more likely to b
Well duh, I didn't expect you tried to sneak it past security. Believe me I resent the TSA gun-toting pinheads as much as unqualified "ordinary" people such as yourself.
Good, glad to hear it.
Who said anything about fear? It's the arguments for guns are completely paranoid, i.e. "I'm gonna get mugged if I don't carry a gun!" or "If we can't have guns the government will enslave us!" These issues are least prevalent where there are the least number of guns on the street.
It is more like, "If I get mugged I would like to be in a position to protect myself and / or my family. Or, "If I am disarmed then I am less capable of defending myself against an enemy, foreign or domestic." Call it paranoia if you must, I learned it in the Boy Scouts. Be Prepared.
Oh, for heavens sake what am I talking about? It's not like anyone has ever been killed over a little cash or a tyrannical government has systematically killed its constituents.
Meanwhile the argument against guns is very logical and statistical. There are several insurance structures that effectively hold law enforcement accountable for the violent crime within their jurisdiction, so the criminal justice system can focus on criminals, and not "ordinary" gun-toting pinheads shooting would-be muggers.
I am not completely sure of your point here, the cases of self defense are usually clear cut and have short, if any, trials. How is law enforcement held accountable? Quotas? Bonuses? Higher insurance premiums? What happens if you happen to be a victim of violence, do they pay your family? Not sure about you but my family would rather have me around than any sum of money.
Specifically, you strike me as the sort that would rather shoot someone just because you have the legal right to self-defense, even if it means a lengthy manslaughter trial, rather than just cough up your wallet to a mugger and cancel/replace your plastic. That is an unreasonable bloodlust that I'm sure Sigmund would have an unflattering phallic anecdote for too.
Perhaps you should get to know someone a little better before passing judgment. I do not want to shoot anyone, and I truly do hope nobody ever puts me in that position. We are talking about the preservation of life, not possessions. You mistake bloodlust for the will to stay alive. How someone loses that instinct is beyond me.
Now I bet you're thinking if you and I were in an alley, you'd rather be the guy with the gun. Well in my neck of the woods you'd get two years in provincial jail, with all the bitch-talking hacks as well as hard-asses awaiting federal sentences, just for bringing the gun to the alley. I'd rather take a bullet than do that time.
I am sorry you feel that way, I for one enjoy my rights and want to stay alive to see my children grow up. Let me know where your neck of the woods is so I can be sure never to go there.
That's part of how a gun-free system can work and save 10,000 deaths from gunfire annually in the US alone. Remember that, a vote for guns is a vote for 10,000 deaths. That's more than 3x 9/11 every year.
You seem to be very concerned about saving lives, what about mine? What about my children? Think of the children.;) I prefer to be mostly self-sufficient, the police are not around to protect me and could not do so even if they were. I enjoy shooting as recreation and have been doing so for most of my life. The irresponsibility of some punk should not dictate my activities.
You know, lots of people are killed in car accidents daily, perhaps we should ban them. Or limit cars to 35 miles per hour, that would save a bunch of lives. While we are at it, ban alcohol too, that stuff is bad and we shouldn't be trusted with such dangerous items.
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Actually its in east Texas... But you are correct in that we don't care much about it.
;)
BTW, we aren't hillbillies down here, we are rednecks.
It first I thought; Why would this person need all this crap?
Then I realized I carry around similar crap. Except my laptop is a Dell M65.
Netbooks are for girls!
Mod parent up!
"Won't you take me to Funkytown"
Now suppose that you and your family were kidnapped from your home at gun point, and you had to watch while unspeakable things were done to them and to you.
I think this would 'teach' someone to go buy their own gun.
In Soviet Russia, memory erases you!
Maybe if "The People" (as in The Constitution) weren't so complacent as to wait for the government to hold our hands we wouldn't be facing what is really the build up of decades of neglect.
Are you talking about The Collective People or The Individual People?
Cool, let's just drop police altogether and hire a bunch of thugs to protect us.
That is the funniest thing I have read all day.
I can't think of the literary term for that but there has to be one.
Thanks for the laugh!
You nerd... Oh, wait...
Nevermid...
Screw the paintballs, get a proper red light camera disruption device.
Sir, I double dare you to make less sense!
"MSM Directive 4873.47(a) Anyone who voices an opinion unsubstantiated by factual information that could be contrived as not supportive of Mr. Obama is automatically a racist and afraid of Non-White Skinned People."
Keep it coming, your true colors are really coming through now. Using that logic if I were to say Mr. Obama eats old candy canes during the month of January, smokes three packs of cigarettes a day, hates walks on the beach and loves using Internet Explorer and Vista I would be a racist and afraid of Non-White Skinned People. Sorry chief, just because one is critical (unsubstantiated or otherwise) of a person that is of a different skin color does not make you a racist. In fact, this type of belief system is racism in and of itself. Sadly, this is what the "PC Movement" has brought us.
Furthermore, you were the one spewing unsubstantiated opinions. I was merely stating my predictions based on historical evidence.
I don't really think he is that scary either. He has about the same build as I and big ears are not really all that frightening in my opinion. My goodness, forgive me. I forgot the protocol!
MSM Directive 4873.47(a)
Anyone who voices an opinion that could be contrived as not supportive of Mr. Obama is automatically a racist and afraid of Non-White Skinned People.
But seriously, do you honestly think Mr. Obama is not a career politician full of empty promises and BS rhetoric?
I believe the former Exalted Cyclops of his local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan, Senior Senator of West Virgina Robert Byrd as President pro tempore of the United States Senate, fits in there somewhere.
It is too bad that there are so many people, so completely scared, that they think they need to "protect" themselves with a gun.
I don't even lock my door, why should I bother owning a gun? I don't worry about that stuff. Plus, if someone were to break in to my house, grabbing a gun is just about the stupidest thing to do. The criminal is probably 1) armed, 2) awake and alert, 3) ruthless, 4) ready to use his weapon to make sure he doesn't get caught. Who do you think is going to win that battle, you or the criminal? My bet is on the criminal.
By grabbing a gun, you have just elevated the chances of YOU dying by a great amount.
It's not about being afraid, it's about being prepared.
You honestly believe the "1) armed, 2) awake and alert, 3) ruthless, 4) ready to use his weapon to make sure he doesn't get caught" criminal is going to have mercy on you because you are unarmed? You are merely easy prey.
It's been fun but you will have to excuse me, I am leading Kumbaya and also in charge of the gumdrops today. Maybe we can have a skip through the field with all the wild flowers someday.
Chris, I hate to be the one to tell you..
We all lost, I will not get over it.
In a little over 30 days from now...
Things will continue as per the agenda, the war(s) will escalate, you will still not have health care and the new administration will begin to chip away at the freedoms of the citizens of the United States of America where their predecessors left off.
Cheers!
Get over yourselves and drop the conspiracy crap, please.
Yeah, you are right, there are no examples of governments oppressing its citizens in history. What was I thinking!? Thanks for waking me up.
Or, you know, go and collect loads of guns
Jealous?
The only items that will stand up to a two year old are made of stone or a hard metal such as iron or steel. If you are going with steel I recommend stainless.
The Democrats are goiong to give away breakfast tacos and free beer!!!! Count me in!!!
I for one, welcome our new black socialist overlord.
Aww crap, now you want me to do fractions!?!?
That's like saying you should wear a fireman's suit all the time in case the building you're in catches fire. Packing iron is just as extreme. My interpretation of someone carrying a gun is that they want to live unreasonably and be "prepared" when life catches up with them.
It's more like wearing a seat belt whilst driving. Most buildings must meet fire codes and they generally have fire extinguishers, alarms and escape routes. Life does not come with an alarm system and escape is not always an option when someone wants to take your life.
It is obvious you have not consumed as much Mountain Dew as I have because we have wildly different ideas of extreme.
See above. Your interpretation is a fallacy and you should do further research.
Insurance holds law enforcement accountable by higher premiums to their municipal government (city/town/county etc). If crime gets out of hand, the municipality is faced with a prohibitively high rate increase, and must either shape up or pack up. State and federal governments share in the responsibility and lend their support as needed. If law enforcement becomes ineffective, the economic pressure sorts things out.
So take money from a municipality and give it some insurance company? Sounds great. Where do they pack up to? Does the town becomes a ghost town? Please provide a citation for this program that seems to be working so well for Canada opposed to the gun ridden streets of the United States.
There are services available to victims of crime, more than just financial support, obviously no replacement for not having been victimized in the first place. But more importantly you should know it's your children that are more likely to be victims of gun-related violence. The age at which murderers are most likely to use a gun is 17. Guess what age group they're shooting at. Are you then going to send your kids to school packing? Of course not. You shouldn't carry a gun either FOR THE EXACT SAME REASONS.
Actually, there is a school district which allows concealed handgun permit holders to carry their firearms on school grounds. There is also legislation being introduced next session to allow concealed carry on college campus If my children decide to obtain their permits when they become of age I will support them 100% and I am encouraging my school district to adopt similar policy.
There are distinct differences between myself and my children. I am an adult. I am capable of making rational decisions under duress and I have a much better dispostion than most children. Therefore, the reasons that my children should not carry a firearm to kindergarten do not apply to me. Also, you have to be 21 to obtain your permit in Texas.
I don't buy it. A reasonable reaction for when someone believes their way of life could lead them into mortal danger is to change their way of life to avoid such a situation. By arming yourself, you knowingly accept the risk and in fact add to it by doing so. Your family comes along for the ride, and are more likely to b
Well duh, I didn't expect you tried to sneak it past security. Believe me I resent the TSA gun-toting pinheads as much as unqualified "ordinary" people such as yourself.
Good, glad to hear it.
Who said anything about fear? It's the arguments for guns are completely paranoid, i.e. "I'm gonna get mugged if I don't carry a gun!" or "If we can't have guns the government will enslave us!" These issues are least prevalent where there are the least number of guns on the street.
It is more like, "If I get mugged I would like to be in a position to protect myself and / or my family. Or, "If I am disarmed then I am less capable of defending myself against an enemy, foreign or domestic." Call it paranoia if you must, I learned it in the Boy Scouts. Be Prepared.
Oh, for heavens sake what am I talking about? It's not like anyone has ever been killed over a little cash or a tyrannical government has systematically killed its constituents.
Meanwhile the argument against guns is very logical and statistical. There are several insurance structures that effectively hold law enforcement accountable for the violent crime within their jurisdiction, so the criminal justice system can focus on criminals, and not "ordinary" gun-toting pinheads shooting would-be muggers.
I am not completely sure of your point here, the cases of self defense are usually clear cut and have short, if any, trials. How is law enforcement held accountable? Quotas? Bonuses? Higher insurance premiums? What happens if you happen to be a victim of violence, do they pay your family? Not sure about you but my family would rather have me around than any sum of money.
Specifically, you strike me as the sort that would rather shoot someone just because you have the legal right to self-defense, even if it means a lengthy manslaughter trial, rather than just cough up your wallet to a mugger and cancel/replace your plastic. That is an unreasonable bloodlust that I'm sure Sigmund would have an unflattering phallic anecdote for too.
Perhaps you should get to know someone a little better before passing judgment. I do not want to shoot anyone, and I truly do hope nobody ever puts me in that position. We are talking about the preservation of life, not possessions. You mistake bloodlust for the will to stay alive. How someone loses that instinct is beyond me.
Now I bet you're thinking if you and I were in an alley, you'd rather be the guy with the gun. Well in my neck of the woods you'd get two years in provincial jail, with all the bitch-talking hacks as well as hard-asses awaiting federal sentences, just for bringing the gun to the alley. I'd rather take a bullet than do that time.
I am sorry you feel that way, I for one enjoy my rights and want to stay alive to see my children grow up. Let me know where your neck of the woods is so I can be sure never to go there.
That's part of how a gun-free system can work and save 10,000 deaths from gunfire annually in the US alone. Remember that, a vote for guns is a vote for 10,000 deaths. That's more than 3x 9/11 every year.
You seem to be very concerned about saving lives, what about mine? What about my children? Think of the children. ;) I prefer to be mostly self-sufficient, the police are not around to protect me and could not do so even if they were. I enjoy shooting as recreation and have been doing so for most of my life. The irresponsibility of some punk should not dictate my activities.
You know, lots of people are killed in car accidents daily, perhaps we should ban them. Or limit cars to 35 miles per hour, that would save a bunch of lives. While we are at it, ban alcohol too, that stuff is bad and we shouldn't be trusted with such dangerous items.
Mayb
If you can't, move here.
But it's so... Cold there.
Sounds to me like the pot is calling the kettle black.
I see what you were implying there. Racist bastard. ;)