We are better then you are because we choose a particular measurement to show that we a better then you. The GDP is a good indicator but like most indicators they are not the big picture. The problems exist in the details, not the aggregated big number. Back during the Bush year the Stock Market was at a record high (S&P Dow Jones Nasdaq they are good indicators as well) But the details was in the fact they are high off of lies. So when the truth came out the collapsed. But during this high Republicans and Democrats were going Hey Things are going good! No the Democrats wanted to get power so they choose other indicators to show where the problem is, while the republicans show others to say things are great. But that is normal politics.
For complex problems like the economy I don't like to look at any particular number. You need to look at the details who are the the guys that are Upward forcing the GDP who are the guys lowering the GDP.
So for example you see that a few companies are the biggest player in your GDP, while you have a lot of small companies lowering it. It could be big trouble. as your economy is based on few company where they can do one mistake and kill your economy) However if you see that you have a lot of small companies raising your GDP and a few firms lowering it, then that gives you a stronger stance to weather a lot of problems.
Unions in the United States needs massive reform. However no one is really wanting to admit it. When ever someone says to the Union "Dude, you have some major problems, you need to fix them!" they go back and spout all the good stuff they did in the past. Weekends, Overtime, Vacation....
The problem now the Unions main goal is to increase the size of the Union. So I have seen Unions agree to something similar to the following example Lay Off 50% of the IT Staff (say 10 People at an average of $70k a year), and Expand Factory workers by 20 average $30k a year. To save $100k, for the company. But the Union ends up getting more money out of dues.
Also because the Unions are structured there is a deep dislike towards Outside Consultants and Contractors for temporary work. (For example the Auto Union hired workers to do nothing until there is a surge in work, so they sat around all day and watched TV except for a few time a month or year) Because they would get more unioned members vs. hiring contractors to pick up the extra slack when it is needed, but they are not paying union dues so they are not welcomed.
Union shops tend tries to make sure no one does anyone elses job. You request and get approved for a whiteboard. The board is shipped to you. If you hang it yourself your are in trouble, you will need to wait an other week to get a Unioned employee to take 5 minutes to hang it for you.
I once got in trouble from the union because I was consultant commissioned to create a Web Application for them. The commission came from the Application Development group, I did the work to the best of my abilities... Apparently it pissed off the Web Group because my application looked better then what they could do, and they demanded more tools so they can make their apps look better then mine...
There is also a fear amongst union members to bad mouth the union. When I was taking my MBA class, and the Unioned Professor trying to teach how to deal with collective bargaining, she would close the door and talk quietly. When I use to work as a consultant, I was told to avoid these people because they are big in the union, and if I did anything to make them look bad there will be a lot of trouble.
A Big Linux Fan, Not really liking Windows... Whoa Say it can't be so. The best thing about Linux, OS X and other OS's is that it gives us a choice. They all have their good and bad. But part of being able to choose, people will often choose different choices then you would. Some people like Windows, They are not stupid or evil, just just prefer it over the others. Some people prefer Linux, other like OS X. You even get some people probably using Plan 9 as the main OS. I would love to see all the other OS's to expand so Windows isn't just the default, but this is what I would see in a perfect world...
Well said. You may want to get a Windows Administration Specialist or just bite the bullet and have you and your team learn how to use Windows. I mean Windows Server has only been available for 19 years, It has became at mature reliable OS platform. While I prefer Unix/Linux myself for servers. However Windows isn't that bad anymore, and most people should know how to manage a small scale windows implementation.
From the sound of it. You have a slew of Unix Servers... You Visualize a small handful of windows systems for application compatibility. If you put Cygwin on them, then you are even more unix like.
sarcasm..Yes there is a huge portion of the population who thinks McDonalds everyday is perfectly healthy.../sarcasm
Calories are only part of a bad diet. We Got Excess Fat, Excess Salt, Excess Carbs... McDonalds does these too.
No McDonalds isn't this evil corporation trying to kill people off, besides the one sided documentaries. They want your business and won't turn your down, but they don't go Come to us every day. Fast Food was meant to be either an occasional treat or food to get when you are in a rush (away from your kitchen).
Yes, I expect Amazon didn't do their work properly and didn't keep enough inventory as a buffer, in the period where manufacturers stop producing and rework for the new model to be produced.
I find it funny, I got an MBA degree, there was a strong effort in making sure we don't use buzz words, but to actually understand what they mean, then not to use them.
There are a lot of Managers and Upper Managers without MBA's those are the ones who tend to be the biggest offenders. They will hear MBA's use the terms in correct context then reuse them out of context.
For Example Synergy Is an aspect when people working in a team or a group produce more then the sum of each person. The Non-MBA takes this as meaning working well in a team, or just having a lot of energy and excitement about the work they do. Synergy is often not achieved even with groups and teams that work well with a lot of energy. Because as you put more people on a team the natural aspect is for each member is to work a little less hard then if they would do it themselves. MBA's may talk about Synergy as a goal, the other guys who don't know what it means and are too timid to ask, will interpret it incorrectly and reuse it in the wrong way. So in the modern MBA class we are told to avoid using these new terms that we learn because the non-MBA abuse them and degrade their meeting.
So for the criminal things they probably needed to pay a fine. Which they did. Who do you jail when a company does something wrong? The CEO who may be too above in that particular decision making, the Middle Manager who was trying to make a directive bring in more money. Perhaps the lowly tech guy who did the work and didn't say No. Getting a big fine for a criminal act, usually does more, as it effects what they care about the most money. Companies don't care about people... Any person.. This idea makes money but a CEO goes to jail every 10 years, that may not be enough to get them to change their action, because it makes money, and the Last CEO was just to sloppy.
Now for a small group of people who say Yes I am going to break the law. They get caught. Ok they cost the company 10 million dollars, They cannot pay them back so they go to jail for 15 years.
The issue is Iran signed the Nuclear nonproliferation act. But they are proliferating nuclear stuff. Pakistan and India didn't sign the act and they got nuke, the US didn't do much about it.
All this stuff in the world is half about counties fighting for what they see is best in their own self interests. The Other half is defending the all the rules and treaties they signed onto in the past. A lot of these treaties may conflict with their own self interests so we get more issues...
Trade Sanctions, from the US is partially due to unpredictable government (Who gives mixed messages about nuclear weapons). And the fact that US doesn't seem to work harder to keep Israel to play nice with its neighbors. We tend to look the other way when Israel takes a very aggressive stance.
When I catch myself Grinding or getting obsessed with winning that one quest. I tell myself it is time to quit for the day. If I am not having fun, it means I should stop playing.
The last time I really just Grinding was because I was obsessed in winning a quest, In my obsession all my usable gear became to broken to use, and I spent all my money to get it fixed, then I ended up breaking it again. So I spent a weak a few hours every night grinding to build up cash, to first repair my stuff so I can do other quests again to make money faster. But I am fine with players who are better then me. I just like having fun, if I loose I loose, I try again. Until I am fixated on really winning then I stop and do another quest or just quit the game.
I don't like the process... But... I knew about it and didn't buy a root-kitted product. However what we call a root kit, others call a tool to help support the problems.
I don't think the benefit of better support justifies the increased security risk on your PC. But is it really worth some holy crusade of breaking into their computers just so you can laugh at them and say Good you Deserve it?
Are you sure you are always cutting the proper corners or you are cutting the corner because you really don't know how to do it the proper new way?
And with all those why why why, when you manager needs to know what is going on, chances are you will now have a better answer. As you get experienced you can often code without thinking about it. Being forced to think about what you are doing is usually a good thing.
Linux doesn't do well as a Desktop OS. It is a great Server OS, It is also a great Workstation OS. Now Android is a great Mobile OS but I think the topic of this conversation in on GNU/Linux not other Linux Kernel Based OS's
The Personal Desktop/Laptop OS needs to do the following very well. 1. Support 3rd party hardware. Apple and Microsoft are willing to let companies make drivers for their hardware and put their own license on them, Linux often demands GNU compatible licensed. Not everyone agrees with the GNU (Get over it) so they will want to keep their current business model. There are still too many hardware that will not work well on Linux. If you want Linux to run well on your system you need to build a system that Linux will work well on.
2. Consistent UI. People get stuck, they try to find instructions the instructions need to be consistent with their system. With Linux you need to get the Linux Part the Distribution part and the Version part. Then your default configs may be different based on the chooses you choose.
3. The little features matter too. Time to put your system to sleep and wake up. Does that keyboard light work, How quickly can you connect to a wireless network. Does your screen leave artifacts floating around, consistent Copy and Paste.
I have heard tones of times people say Linux works with not problems, I have had Linux work fine, but I have also had it work like crap, Sometimes it is the drivers and sometimes I need to do a particular task that Linux Developers never really agreed on an approach for. OS X and Windows works a lot better as a Desktop OS. They don't work as well for a server.
You don't have to be a fan of Sony, to see what these guys are doing is wrong and criminal.
Sony says we we want to run our business this way. The hackers go we don't like it. So except for just informing the public on their opinion (freedom of speech) they bring down the site, because for some reason we think that Our Ideas are right and any disagreeing idea is somehow motivated by some corrupt cause.
If you are Pro-Choice then those Pro-Life people are trying to keep Women rights down. If you are Pro-Life then those Pro-Choice people are trying to make a world where woman don't need to have any consequences for their actions. If you are Republicans those Democrats are trying to keep the People addicted to government services so you can better control them. If you are Democrat those Republicans are trying to brainwash people to keep buying crap from these companies so they no longer need to innovate.
We rarely ever get arguments anymore stating I understand your view, but I think my advantages may outweigh the disadvantages that you brought up. But we have moved to a world where a disagreement means your oponent has some Evil motive behind them. If you think your Ideological Opponent is evil then you feel justified hurting them in one way or an other.
There is a different. We have Anonymous and LulzSec as partially organized organizations. There is a particular group of criminals that can do the attack on.
The "War On Drugs" is trying to stop the supply of a product that is in demand. The US can crack down on the big Drug Lords, but won't stop the flow of drugs because there will always be the smaller ones shipping the same product.
Big attacks like Anonymous and LulzSec have a loose organization structure going enough to get a targeted attack... That means the government once they put their mind to it, can start kicking off these hackers. These people are petty criminals, not Hero's. Once people realize that they could get caught hacking, such large attacks should reduce down, because there is more risk in this type of vandalism.
Some people feel like they are being oppressed just because they are not getting preferential treatment.
We are all minorities in one way or an other. And we can't get preferential treatment for everything, sometimes you just need to deal with what Live has handed you.
Me I am only 5'5" Short for an Adult Male. There are some things on the top shelf I cannot reach, that my peers who can be over a foot taller then me, can do. Now my height isn't abnormal it is just on the shorter end of the distribution. There isn't a need to complain or because of this, it is just who I am, and there are some things I can do and some things I cannot... I can walk into an old building and not hit my head on the pipes.
Technically when you play an instrument you only play it one way. Your handiness, will often be a factor in your playing style.
I play the double bass and I am right handed. That means I am a little less agile with fingering but better with plucking, and bowing. But with practice the difference is not a big deal.
Besides Brass there isn't too many one handed instruments out there. .
I am not saying I disagree with your assessment of the Republicans (I do think they have gone too far to the right). But if there is an impression of a close race, and you think the republicans have gone nuts... You really should go out and vote for the democrats. If they told you the Democrats will win by a landslide, you may not vote because you figure your vote will not say anything. If they told you the Republicans are a sure bet, then you may not vote but take your time building a bomb shelter, or prepping for a wold you really don't want to see.
But just as matter of reference when Bush was president I heard a lot of crazy stuff coming from the Democrats, some overtly zealotry left crazy ideas that ignore even the most principal areas of economics.
When they started to code depends a lot... Past-1985: (Computers were considered magical thinking machines) If you could make a computer work you were a God, if you are still working you have invited a good portion of our infrastructure. You were the Egg Heads who made the organization improve by a large percentage. Having those new kids who doesn't even know what a floppy disk is, seems insulting to you.
1985-1995: (Computers were considered closer to a Bulldozer, big bulky does the job) Chances are you were Mr. Mainframe. When there was a problem people came to you, and you could fix it. More of a Nerd (in the negative context) you were locked away and you made your living trying to be as isolated from people as possible. Getting new people in you office/server room feels like an invasion.
1995-2003: (The Crappy Desktop era) This was a tech boom. Covering Y2k fixes and Dot COM Business v. 2.0 They hired any poor slop with "Certification" however the ones that really knew what they were doing were Gold. They opened the door to the C Table and we were part of the higher up business decisions. Those of us who worked the trenches needed to rapidly patch and fix the crap decisions that were made. We see a lot of good reliable systems go away for newer shinier and more prone to problem systems. This group is starting to welcome new guys a little more. However a lot of them are real bitter because they were once strategic business makers and now they are just normal labor forces.
2003-2012: (The Dark Age/Mobile Age) Most of the innovation has gone to mobile computing, the rest of the innovation has dried up. On the plus side this dark period of innovation allowed many of these crappy systems to get fixed and become more reliable (Windows Me vs Windows 7) (Mac OS vs OS X) We are seeing less new guys and we want to see them because we need more new thinking. So they are more welcoming working with someone else.
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We are better then you are because we choose a particular measurement to show that we a better then you.
The GDP is a good indicator but like most indicators they are not the big picture. The problems exist in the details, not the aggregated big number. Back during the Bush year the Stock Market was at a record high (S&P Dow Jones Nasdaq they are good indicators as well) But the details was in the fact they are high off of lies. So when the truth came out the collapsed. But during this high Republicans and Democrats were going Hey Things are going good! No the Democrats wanted to get power so they choose other indicators to show where the problem is, while the republicans show others to say things are great. But that is normal politics.
For complex problems like the economy I don't like to look at any particular number. You need to look at the details who are the the guys that are Upward forcing the GDP who are the guys lowering the GDP.
So for example you see that a few companies are the biggest player in your GDP, while you have a lot of small companies lowering it. It could be big trouble. as your economy is based on few company where they can do one mistake and kill your economy) However if you see that you have a lot of small companies raising your GDP and a few firms lowering it, then that gives you a stronger stance to weather a lot of problems.
Unions in the United States needs massive reform. However no one is really wanting to admit it. When ever someone says to the Union "Dude, you have some major problems, you need to fix them!" they go back and spout all the good stuff they did in the past. Weekends, Overtime, Vacation....
The problem now the Unions main goal is to increase the size of the Union. So I have seen Unions agree to something similar to the following example
Lay Off 50% of the IT Staff (say 10 People at an average of $70k a year), and Expand Factory workers by 20 average $30k a year. To save $100k, for the company. But the Union ends up getting more money out of dues.
Also because the Unions are structured there is a deep dislike towards Outside Consultants and Contractors for temporary work. (For example the Auto Union hired workers to do nothing until there is a surge in work, so they sat around all day and watched TV except for a few time a month or year) Because they would get more unioned members vs. hiring contractors to pick up the extra slack when it is needed, but they are not paying union dues so they are not welcomed.
Union shops tend tries to make sure no one does anyone elses job. You request and get approved for a whiteboard. The board is shipped to you. If you hang it yourself your are in trouble, you will need to wait an other week to get a Unioned employee to take 5 minutes to hang it for you.
I once got in trouble from the union because I was consultant commissioned to create a Web Application for them. The commission came from the Application Development group, I did the work to the best of my abilities... Apparently it pissed off the Web Group because my application looked better then what they could do, and they demanded more tools so they can make their apps look better then mine...
There is also a fear amongst union members to bad mouth the union. When I was taking my MBA class, and the Unioned Professor trying to teach how to deal with collective bargaining, she would close the door and talk quietly. When I use to work as a consultant, I was told to avoid these people because they are big in the union, and if I did anything to make them look bad there will be a lot of trouble.
A Big Linux Fan, Not really liking Windows... Whoa Say it can't be so.
The best thing about Linux, OS X and other OS's is that it gives us a choice. They all have their good and bad. But part of being able to choose, people will often choose different choices then you would. Some people like Windows, They are not stupid or evil, just just prefer it over the others. Some people prefer Linux, other like OS X. You even get some people probably using Plan 9 as the main OS.
I would love to see all the other OS's to expand so Windows isn't just the default, but this is what I would see in a perfect world...
Others 10%
Linux 15%
OS X 35%
Windows 40%
Well said. You may want to get a Windows Administration Specialist or just bite the bullet and have you and your team learn how to use Windows. I mean Windows Server has only been available for 19 years, It has became at mature reliable OS platform. While I prefer Unix/Linux myself for servers. However Windows isn't that bad anymore, and most people should know how to manage a small scale windows implementation.
From the sound of it. You have a slew of Unix Servers... You Visualize a small handful of windows systems for application compatibility. If you put Cygwin on them, then you are even more unix like.
Sounds like Hell.
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sarcasm..Yes there is a huge portion of the population who thinks McDonalds everyday is perfectly healthy.../sarcasm
Calories are only part of a bad diet.
We Got Excess Fat, Excess Salt, Excess Carbs... McDonalds does these too.
No McDonalds isn't this evil corporation trying to kill people off, besides the one sided documentaries. They want your business and won't turn your down, but they don't go Come to us every day. Fast Food was meant to be either an occasional treat or food to get when you are in a rush (away from your kitchen).
Yes, I expect Amazon didn't do their work properly and didn't keep enough inventory as a buffer, in the period where manufacturers stop producing and rework for the new model to be produced.
I find it funny, I got an MBA degree, there was a strong effort in making sure we don't use buzz words, but to actually understand what they mean, then not to use them.
There are a lot of Managers and Upper Managers without MBA's those are the ones who tend to be the biggest offenders. They will hear MBA's use the terms in correct context then reuse them out of context.
For Example Synergy Is an aspect when people working in a team or a group produce more then the sum of each person. The Non-MBA takes this as meaning working well in a team, or just having a lot of energy and excitement about the work they do. Synergy is often not achieved even with groups and teams that work well with a lot of energy. Because as you put more people on a team the natural aspect is for each member is to work a little less hard then if they would do it themselves. MBA's may talk about Synergy as a goal, the other guys who don't know what it means and are too timid to ask, will interpret it incorrectly and reuse it in the wrong way. So in the modern MBA class we are told to avoid using these new terms that we learn because the non-MBA abuse them and degrade their meeting.
So for the criminal things they probably needed to pay a fine. Which they did. Who do you jail when a company does something wrong? The CEO who may be too above in that particular decision making, the Middle Manager who was trying to make a directive bring in more money. Perhaps the lowly tech guy who did the work and didn't say No.
Getting a big fine for a criminal act, usually does more, as it effects what they care about the most money. Companies don't care about people... Any person.. This idea makes money but a CEO goes to jail every 10 years, that may not be enough to get them to change their action, because it makes money, and the Last CEO was just to sloppy.
Now for a small group of people who say Yes I am going to break the law. They get caught. Ok they cost the company 10 million dollars, They cannot pay them back so they go to jail for 15 years.
The issue is Iran signed the Nuclear nonproliferation act. But they are proliferating nuclear stuff. Pakistan and India didn't sign the act and they got nuke, the US didn't do much about it.
All this stuff in the world is half about counties fighting for what they see is best in their own self interests. The Other half is defending the all the rules and treaties they signed onto in the past. A lot of these treaties may conflict with their own self interests so we get more issues...
Trade Sanctions, from the US is partially due to unpredictable government (Who gives mixed messages about nuclear weapons). And the fact that US doesn't seem to work harder to keep Israel to play nice with its neighbors. We tend to look the other way when Israel takes a very aggressive stance.
No I am not, I am not afraid to admit it. I am doing it because I don't want to do work at the moment.
Why are you playing the game if you are not having fun?
When I catch myself Grinding or getting obsessed with winning that one quest. I tell myself it is time to quit for the day. If I am not having fun, it means I should stop playing.
The last time I really just Grinding was because I was obsessed in winning a quest, In my obsession all my usable gear became to broken to use, and I spent all my money to get it fixed, then I ended up breaking it again. So I spent a weak a few hours every night grinding to build up cash, to first repair my stuff so I can do other quests again to make money faster.
But I am fine with players who are better then me. I just like having fun, if I loose I loose, I try again. Until I am fixated on really winning then I stop and do another quest or just quit the game.
I don't like the process... But... I knew about it and didn't buy a root-kitted product.
However what we call a root kit, others call a tool to help support the problems.
I don't think the benefit of better support justifies the increased security risk on your PC.
But is it really worth some holy crusade of breaking into their computers just so you can laugh at them and say Good you Deserve it?
Why don't you give them an answer?
Are you sure you are always cutting the proper corners or you are cutting the corner because you really don't know how to do it the proper new way?
And with all those why why why, when you manager needs to know what is going on, chances are you will now have a better answer. As you get experienced you can often code without thinking about it. Being forced to think about what you are doing is usually a good thing.
Linux doesn't do well as a Desktop OS.
It is a great Server OS,
It is also a great Workstation OS.
Now Android is a great Mobile OS but I think the topic of this conversation in on GNU/Linux not other Linux Kernel Based OS's
The Personal Desktop/Laptop OS needs to do the following very well.
1. Support 3rd party hardware. Apple and Microsoft are willing to let companies make drivers for their hardware and put their own license on them, Linux often demands GNU compatible licensed. Not everyone agrees with the GNU (Get over it) so they will want to keep their current business model. There are still too many hardware that will not work well on Linux. If you want Linux to run well on your system you need to build a system that Linux will work well on.
2. Consistent UI. People get stuck, they try to find instructions the instructions need to be consistent with their system. With Linux you need to get the Linux Part the Distribution part and the Version part. Then your default configs may be different based on the chooses you choose.
3. The little features matter too. Time to put your system to sleep and wake up. Does that keyboard light work, How quickly can you connect to a wireless network. Does your screen leave artifacts floating around, consistent Copy and Paste.
I have heard tones of times people say Linux works with not problems, I have had Linux work fine, but I have also had it work like crap, Sometimes it is the drivers and sometimes I need to do a particular task that Linux Developers never really agreed on an approach for. OS X and Windows works a lot better as a Desktop OS. They don't work as well for a server.
You don't have to be a fan of Sony, to see what these guys are doing is wrong and criminal.
Sony says we we want to run our business this way. The hackers go we don't like it. So except for just informing the public on their opinion (freedom of speech) they bring down the site, because for some reason we think that Our Ideas are right and any disagreeing idea is somehow motivated by some corrupt cause.
If you are Pro-Choice then those Pro-Life people are trying to keep Women rights down.
If you are Pro-Life then those Pro-Choice people are trying to make a world where woman don't need to have any consequences for their actions.
If you are Republicans those Democrats are trying to keep the People addicted to government services so you can better control them.
If you are Democrat those Republicans are trying to brainwash people to keep buying crap from these companies so they no longer need to innovate.
We rarely ever get arguments anymore stating I understand your view, but I think my advantages may outweigh the disadvantages that you brought up. But we have moved to a world where a disagreement means your oponent has some Evil motive behind them. If you think your Ideological Opponent is evil then you feel justified hurting them in one way or an other.
There is a different.
We have Anonymous and LulzSec as partially organized organizations. There is a particular group of criminals that can do the attack on.
The "War On Drugs" is trying to stop the supply of a product that is in demand. The US can crack down on the big Drug Lords, but won't stop the flow of drugs because there will always be the smaller ones shipping the same product.
Big attacks like Anonymous and LulzSec have a loose organization structure going enough to get a targeted attack... That means the government once they put their mind to it, can start kicking off these hackers. These people are petty criminals, not Hero's. Once people realize that they could get caught hacking, such large attacks should reduce down, because there is more risk in this type of vandalism.
witch one?
That is the problem
Some people feel like they are being oppressed just because they are not getting preferential treatment.
We are all minorities in one way or an other. And we can't get preferential treatment for everything, sometimes you just need to deal with what Live has handed you.
Me I am only 5'5" Short for an Adult Male. There are some things on the top shelf I cannot reach, that my peers who can be over a foot taller then me, can do. Now my height isn't abnormal it is just on the shorter end of the distribution. There isn't a need to complain or because of this, it is just who I am, and there are some things I can do and some things I cannot... I can walk into an old building and not hit my head on the pipes.
Technically when you play an instrument you only play it one way. Your handiness, will often be a factor in your playing style.
I play the double bass and I am right handed. That means I am a little less agile with fingering but better with plucking, and bowing. But with practice the difference is not a big deal.
Besides Brass there isn't too many one handed instruments out there. .
I am not saying I disagree with your assessment of the Republicans (I do think they have gone too far to the right). But if there is an impression of a close race, and you think the republicans have gone nuts... You really should go out and vote for the democrats. If they told you the Democrats will win by a landslide, you may not vote because you figure your vote will not say anything. If they told you the Republicans are a sure bet, then you may not vote but take your time building a bomb shelter, or prepping for a wold you really don't want to see.
But just as matter of reference when Bush was president I heard a lot of crazy stuff coming from the Democrats, some overtly zealotry left crazy ideas that ignore even the most principal areas of economics.
When they started to code depends a lot...
Past-1985: (Computers were considered magical thinking machines) If you could make a computer work you were a God, if you are still working you have invited a good portion of our infrastructure. You were the Egg Heads who made the organization improve by a large percentage. Having those new kids who doesn't even know what a floppy disk is, seems insulting to you.
1985-1995: (Computers were considered closer to a Bulldozer, big bulky does the job) Chances are you were Mr. Mainframe. When there was a problem people came to you, and you could fix it. More of a Nerd (in the negative context) you were locked away and you made your living trying to be as isolated from people as possible. Getting new people in you office/server room feels like an invasion.
1995-2003: (The Crappy Desktop era) This was a tech boom. Covering Y2k fixes and Dot COM Business v. 2.0 They hired any poor slop with "Certification" however the ones that really knew what they were doing were Gold. They opened the door to the C Table and we were part of the higher up business decisions. Those of us who worked the trenches needed to rapidly patch and fix the crap decisions that were made. We see a lot of good reliable systems go away for newer shinier and more prone to problem systems. This group is starting to welcome new guys a little more. However a lot of them are real bitter because they were once strategic business makers and now they are just normal labor forces.
2003-2012: (The Dark Age/Mobile Age) Most of the innovation has gone to mobile computing, the rest of the innovation has dried up. On the plus side this dark period of innovation allowed many of these crappy systems to get fixed and become more reliable (Windows Me vs Windows 7) (Mac OS vs OS X) We are seeing less new guys and we want to see them because we need more new thinking. So they are more welcoming working with someone else.